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PSU_dropout43
02-02-2012, 02:57 PM
http://communityvoices.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/sports/bob-smiziks-blog/31752-what-was-rooney-thinking

Hard to believe Steelers president Art Rooney is so clumsy in his handling of personnel and media matters that he failed to realize he was severely weakening the image of coach Mike Tomlin by the way he dealt with the retiring/firing of Bruce Arians. Did Tomlin do something that merited such a public embarrassment? Thereís no indication, but itís hard to believe Rooney did not deliberately handle the matter as he did.

StarSpangledSteeler
02-02-2012, 03:09 PM
Art II did emasculate Tomiln. And I'm glad he did. He asked Tomlin "nicely" two years ago to take charge of the ridiculous play calling. Tomlin did not. He asked Tomlin "nicely" last year to take charge of the ridiculous play calling. Tomlin did not. Either Tomlin does not understand how to properly call a game or he is hiring staff who do not understand. Either way Rooney is fixing the problem. And it's about time.

feltdizz
02-02-2012, 03:21 PM
How can Tomlin interview new OC's if he's been castrated? I bet the glorified janitor is mopping up the kitchen in Art's house as we speak. :roll:

Oh yard boy!

Seriously though.. the Pittsburgh media is really PO'ed at the timing of the Arians firing and the more I think about it the funnier it is...

Tomlin gives a press conference, all the writers relax... Tomlin goes to the Senior Bowl, Ben's at the Pro Bowl... and the media is left with no one to interview.

Everyone says Arians stunk... yet somehow Arians getting fired is a shock to the media and they have 50 different conspiracies because they were the last one's to know.

feltdizz
02-02-2012, 03:27 PM
Art II did emasculate Tomiln. And I'm glad he did. He asked Tomlin "nicely" two years ago to take charge of the ridiculous play calling. Tomlin did not. He asked Tomlin "nicely" last year to take charge of the ridiculous play calling. Tomlin did not. Either Tomlin does not understand how to properly call a game or he is hiring staff who do not understand. Either way Rooney is fixing the problem. And it's about time.

I doubt it... I'm pretty sure Tomlin wasn't blind sided by this move. Our FO doesn't put on shows for the media and the Pittsburgh media got the BA firing wrong before and also got the Tomlin hiring wrong.

I'm pretty sure this was timed perfectly... Ben takes BA to Hawaii, Tomlin goes down to the Senior Bowl and the media is left holding their castrated personals because they were duped.

I'm not sure why Steeler fans think our FO would do some NY Jets/Patriot back door firing without the HC involved.

rockonsteel
02-02-2012, 04:23 PM
Art II did emasculate Tomiln. And I'm glad he did. He asked Tomlin "nicely" two years ago to take charge of the ridiculous play calling. Tomlin did not. He asked Tomlin "nicely" last year to take charge of the ridiculous play calling. Tomlin did not. Either Tomlin does not understand how to properly call a game or he is hiring staff who do not understand. Either way Rooney is fixing the problem. And it's about time.

I doubt it... I'm pretty sure Tomlin wasn't blind sided by this move. Our FO doesn't put on shows for the media and the Pittsburgh media got the BA firing wrong before and also got the Tomlin hiring wrong.

I'm pretty sure this was timed perfectly... Ben takes BA to Hawaii, Tomlin goes down to the Senior Bowl and the media is left holding their castrated personals because they were duped.

I'm not sure why Steeler fans think our FO would do some NY Jets/Patriot back door firing without the HC involved.

Excellent points!

Rockon

StarSpangledSteeler
02-02-2012, 04:48 PM
Art II did emasculate Tomiln. And I'm glad he did. He asked Tomlin "nicely" two years ago to take charge of the ridiculous play calling. Tomlin did not. He asked Tomlin "nicely" last year to take charge of the ridiculous play calling. Tomlin did not. Either Tomlin does not understand how to properly call a game or he is hiring staff who do not understand. Either way Rooney is fixing the problem. And it's about time.

I doubt it... I'm pretty sure Tomlin wasn't blind sided by this move. Our FO doesn't put on shows for the media and the Pittsburgh media got the BA firing wrong before and also got the Tomlin hiring wrong.

I'm pretty sure this was timed perfectly... Ben takes BA to Hawaii, Tomlin goes down to the Senior Bowl and the media is left holding their castrated personals because they were duped.

I'm not sure why Steeler fans think our FO would do some NY Jets/Patriot back door firing without the HC involved.

I never said Tomlin was blindsided. I said the opposite. The Rooney's have been warning him for two straight years. I'm sure they had plenty of conversations with Tomlin.

The bigger point here is "why" didn't Tomlin change the play calling? I believe it's because Tomlin IS NOT GOOD AT GAME PLANNING. It's just not one of his strengths. He is good at player management, media relations, ethics, delegation, etc. That is why the Rooney's HAD to step in.

Think about this. Tomlin is a defensive backs specialist. In his first three years we saw very little in player development out of our CB's. One year with Carnell Lake and we're the number pass defense. The Rooney's understand that if they give/help/suggest/arrange Tomlin's coordinators, he will do a great job at delegating.

I would bet most of the big decisions at Steelers headquarters are "discussed" and "decided" upon by the whole Steeler Brass and staff as a group.

RuthlessBurgher
02-02-2012, 05:00 PM
Hard to believe Steelers president Art Rooney is so clumsy in his handling of personnel and media matters that he failed to realize he was severely weakening the image of coach Mike Tomlin by the way he dealt with the retiring/firing of Bruce Arians. Did Tomlin do something that merited such a public embarrassment? Thereís no indication, but itís hard to believe Rooney did not deliberately handle the matter as he did.

Severely weakened Tomlin's image in whose eyes? The people who post regularly on this board are some of the most die-hard Steeler fans around. Do you folks think that Tomlin's image has been severely weakened as a result of how the Arian dismissal went down? I sure don't.

feltdizz
02-02-2012, 05:21 PM
Hard to believe Steelers president Art Rooney is so clumsy in his handling of personnel and media matters that he failed to realize he was severely weakening the image of coach Mike Tomlin by the way he dealt with the retiring/firing of Bruce Arians. Did Tomlin do something that merited such a public embarrassment? Thereís no indication, but itís hard to believe Rooney did not deliberately handle the matter as he did.

Severely weakened Tomlin's image in whose eyes? The people who post regularly on this board are some of the most die-hard Steeler fans around. Do you folks think that Tomlin's image has been severely weakened as a result of how the Arian dismissal went down? I sure don't.
I truly believe the Pittsburgh media is butt hurt because they were left out of the loop.

I guess we shouldn't be surprised that die hard fans who second guess play calling would also second guessing how Arians was fired.

feltdizz
02-02-2012, 05:23 PM
Thereís no indication, but itís hard to believe Rooney did not deliberately handle the matter as he did.[/quote]

:wft I just reread this. :lol:

Oviedo
02-02-2012, 06:01 PM
Hard to believe Steelers president Art Rooney is so clumsy in his handling of personnel and media matters that he failed to realize he was severely weakening the image of coach Mike Tomlin by the way he dealt with the retiring/firing of Bruce Arians. Did Tomlin do something that merited such a public embarrassment? Thereís no indication, but itís hard to believe Rooney did not deliberately handle the matter as he did.

Severely weakened Tomlin's image in whose eyes? The people who post regularly on this board are some of the most die-hard Steeler fans around. Do you folks think that Tomlin's image has been severely weakened as a result of how the Arian dismissal went down? I sure don't.

No way Tomlin is weakened in anyway. Just the media trying to make a story out of nothing because Tomlin does not pander to them.

Chadman
02-02-2012, 06:01 PM
In other news, it's entirely possible Tomlin had a cup of coffee at breakfast after recieving the memo from the Rooneys to do so. It can't be proven, but if this happened, it severely weakens the perception that Tomlin can think for himself, and indeed, even get past menial tasks like deciding what to have at breakfast. Reports suggest that Tomlin has now been advised to start interviewing local Starbucks stores in order to find a suitable cup of coffee to have at breakfast. A recently closed Starbucks store in Indianapolis has been suggested as an ideal option, as they are now looking to relocate, and Tomlin needs them to be close at hand. There is no actual evidence, but it's entirely possible that Tony Dungy once went to this Starbucks with, wait for it..Jim Caldwell.

When you put the pieces together, it's quite possible that the evidence might point to this being somewhat correct.

Maybe.

PSU_dropout43
02-04-2012, 01:17 PM
Art II did emasculate Tomiln. And I'm glad he did. He asked Tomlin "nicely" two years ago to take charge of the ridiculous play calling. Tomlin did not. He asked Tomlin "nicely" last year to take charge of the ridiculous play calling. Tomlin did not. Either Tomlin does not understand how to properly call a game or he is hiring staff who do not understand. Either way Rooney is fixing the problem. And it's about time.

Arians today, Tomlin tomorrow?

PSU_dropout43
02-07-2012, 03:00 AM
MarkKaboly_Trib Mark Kaboly
@jimwexell -- doesn't seem like a good fit. Tomlin surrounds himself with yes men. Don't think Haley is one of those.


MarkKaboly_Trib Mark Kaboly
Call me skeptical but Todd Haley hiring seems to me has Art Rooney's fingerprints all over it.

fezziwig
02-07-2012, 09:02 AM
I've never thought as Arians coaches as yes men. I always thought Tomlins biggest strength was allowing his coaches to use their own brains. Biggest strength except when it came to Arians.

Does the light shine on Tomlin a little less because Rooney stepped in ? I really can't say. If Haley flops, is that on Rooney ? If Haley does well I can hear the media now, " Art II made this teams adjustments for the better, yada, yada, yada.

We all speculate from what we see on the sidelines and read from the gossip columns that the media provides.

No one should be surprised when I say, I'm glad Arians is gone. If in fact Arians wouldn't listen to Tomlin or listens too much to Ben or blew off what rooney suggested in the past about being more affective. Just glad he is gone.

feltdizz
02-07-2012, 09:36 AM
I've never thought as Arians coaches as yes men. I always thought Tomlins biggest strength was allowing his coaches to use their own brains. Biggest strength except when it came to Arians.

Does the light shine on Tomlin a little less because Rooney stepped in ? I really can't say. If Haley flops, is that on Rooney ? If Haley does well I can hear the media now, " Art II made this teams adjustments for the better, yada, yada, yada.

We all speculate from what we see on the sidelines and read from the gossip columns that the media provides.

No one should be surprised when I say, I'm glad Arians is gone. If in fact Arians wouldn't listen to Tomlin or listens too much to Ben or blew off what rooney suggested in the past about being more affective. Just glad he is gone.

I'll be surprised when you don't say it. :D

I agree with you. Not sure why someone would call Kugler and Lake yes men... pretty disrespectful.

PSU_dropout43
02-07-2012, 04:08 PM
MarkKaboly_Trib Mark Kaboly
The more people I talk to and there is no denying that even some #Steelers players feel Todd Haley hire came from the top. #JustSayin
9 minutes ago

:lol:

RuthlessBurgher
02-07-2012, 05:09 PM
MarkKaboly_Trib Mark Kaboly
@jimwexell -- doesn't seem like a good fit. Tomlin surrounds himself with yes men. Don't think Haley is one of those.

I don't do the whole Twitter thing...did Mark Kaboly write this or did Jim Wexell?

#@RuthlessBurgher@# is @#Confused#@

Steelgal
02-07-2012, 05:15 PM
MarkKaboly_Trib Mark Kaboly
@jimwexell -- doesn't seem like a good fit. Tomlin surrounds himself with yes men. Don't think Haley is one of those.

I don't do the whole Twitter thing...did Mark Kaboly write this or did Jim Wexell?

#@RuthlessBurgher@# is @#Confused#@

I believe Kaboly was tweeting it to Wexell, so it written by Mark.

Honestly I've been following Kaboly for quite some time and his tweets were okay, until Haley got hired. I can understand a person not agreeing with it, but he won't let it die. Kind of like a newer poster here.......

_SteeL_CurtaiN_
02-07-2012, 06:44 PM
Thereís no indication, but itís hard to believe Rooney did not deliberately handle the matter as he did.

:wft I just reread this. :lol:[/quote]

Bob Smizik is like the other 99% of the media, he longs for the days of two newspaper towns where each and every sports fans hung on your every word. Now he is reduced to a regurgitation speculation spewing machine.

As far as his attitude, wasn't there another coacvh around here wwho liked to yell alot with spittle flying all over the place? :HeadBanger

feltdizz
02-07-2012, 09:22 PM
MarkKaboly_Trib Mark Kaboly
@jimwexell -- doesn't seem like a good fit. Tomlin surrounds himself with yes men. Don't think Haley is one of those.

I don't do the whole Twitter thing...did Mark Kaboly write this or did Jim Wexell?

#@RuthlessBurgher@# is @#Confused#@

I believe Kaboly was tweeting it to Wexell, so it written by Mark.

Honestly I've been following Kaboly for quite some time and his tweets were okay, until Haley got hired. I can understand a person not agreeing with it, but he won't let it die. Kind of like a newer poster here.......


Does Haley have a history of abrasive behavior towards the media?

aggiebones
02-08-2012, 12:41 PM
Arians wasn't a Tomlin hire in the first place. He was saddled with him and got some level of comfort with him. Tomlin wasn't ever going to call offensive plays.

To say he emasculated Tomlin is to say, you don't like Rooney or Tomlin and are trying to make up some rift.

Tomlin knows who the boss is, he's not stupid. And Rooney is no hard case to bring things down on Tomlin like that. Arians is a leftover guy. It was time to make a move. Going into this year, we HAD to keep Arians because there was no offseason to bring in a new OC and we had just gone to the Super Bowl.
Don't believe everything you read about Rooney pushing out Arians before this season, its not true and doesn't make sense. They gave him another season due to the lockout.

feltdizz
02-08-2012, 02:55 PM
Arians wasn't a Tomlin hire in the first place. He was saddled with him and got some level of comfort with him. Tomlin wasn't ever going to call offensive plays.

To say he emasculated Tomlin is to say, you don't like Rooney or Tomlin and are trying to make up some rift.

Tomlin knows who the boss is, he's not stupid. And Rooney is no hard case to bring things down on Tomlin like that. Arians is a leftover guy. It was time to make a move. Going into this year, we HAD to keep Arians because there was no offseason to bring in a new OC and we had just gone to the Super Bowl.
Don't believe everything you read about Rooney pushing out Arians before this season, its not true and doesn't make sense. They gave him another season due to the lockout.

The emasculation of Tomlin sounds much better than common sense... :nono

NorthCoast
02-09-2012, 09:24 PM
The only thing Tomlin needs to learn is the art of obfuscation. Say something like "we will review everyones performance over the coming weeks and decide what, if any, changes need made". That is typical coachspeak that should be used at the end of every season.

PSU_dropout43
02-10-2012, 01:31 PM
@MarkMaddenX Mark Madden
Read @Dejan_Kovacevic column. He gets it. Art2 taking over. Tomlin has been reduced 2puppet. Steelers becoming wut u always laughed at.#3pm

Slapstick
02-10-2012, 01:36 PM
Oh, Mark Madden is going to chime in with an Anti-Rooney rant?

No way!!!

:loser

Oviedo
02-10-2012, 01:45 PM
@MarkMaddenX Mark Madden
Read @Dejan_Kovacevic column. He gets it. Art2 taking over. Tomlin has been reduced 2puppet. Steelers becoming wut u always laughed at.#3pm


Madden is what we always laughed at. Maybe someone should cue him in that his schock jock act got old about a decade ago.

calmkiller
02-10-2012, 01:57 PM
Personally I think everyone is blowing this whole thing out of proportion. Hes no longer with the team. That is all that really matters. We have a new OC. Does it honestly matter how the old OC left?

hawaiiansteel
02-14-2012, 06:07 PM
Monday February 13, 2012

Rooney II's meddling with Tomlin's staff is very un-Steelers-like

By Mike Freeman | CBSSports.com National NFL Insider

http://sports.cbsimg.net/u/photos/football/nfl/img17245812.jpg

The extreme silence from Tomlin (right) suggest he's not too happy about Rooney's decision.

This is what we know about a story that continues to grow and may not go away anytime soon.

We know Mike Tomlin has appeared in two Super Bowls, winning one. He's one of the best young coaches in the NFL. We know that Tomlin wanted offensive coordinator Bruce Arians back. Multiple league sources confirm a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette report that Tomlin told his staff Arians was returning. Arians, I am told, then informed friends around the league of the same news.

This is also what we know. The president of the Steelers, Art Rooney II, overruled Tomlin on keeping Arians. Sources confirm this as well. We also know that no one on the Steelers has denied any of this and they've had plenty of opportunity. There's been nothing but extremely loud silence from Tomlin in particular.

Now, in the future, my guess is Tomlin will play the good soldier and at some point say everything is cool. Yet no one will believe Tomlin, and now this has become one of the bigger stories of the offseason.

It's a story that has been lost amid the never-ending post-Super Bowl analysis and the ongoing questions about whether Peyton Manning's neurons are firing properly. It's huge nonetheless. These are the Pittsburgh Steelers, one of the all-time classiest franchises in the history of sports. Steelers owners don't publicly overreact. Steelers owners don't force their Super Bowl winning head coaches to make staff changes (allegedly). When speaking with NFL team officials, no one can remember the last time a highly successful coach was forced to make staff changes by the team's owner (allegedly). That's because I'm fairly certain it has never happened in recent league history.

League types aren't the only ones with questions about this entire situation. The Pittsburgh media is equally puzzled.

Part of this story is about Tomlin, but another aspect could be a shift in how Steelers ownership handles its business. I don't believe the founding father of the organization, Art Rooney, would have done this to Tomlin. I know Dan Rooney. I'm certain he wouldn't. The Steelers have had three coaches in 43 years. That's a remarkable track record of stability, perspective and patience.

Not all of those years have been perfect. There have been cracks in the Steeler veneer, but not like this. The current owner of the team, Art Rooney II, has made Tomlin appear weak by forcing changes on his staff.

Rooney II by many accounts is a good man like the Rooneys before him, but there might be a little Jerry Jones in him. Rooney was quoted after the season ended as saying he wanted quarterback Ben Roethlisberger to "tweak his game." Not sure what that means, but Roethlisberger has Super Bowl appearances and is one of the elite throwers in the sport. Just can't see John Mara telling Eli Manning to tweak his game.

Not only was Arians apparently forced out (remember he retired, but only days later was hired by Indianapolis) but the Steelers hired Todd Haley to replace him. Haley is a combustible presence, and he doesn't have the approval of Roethlisberger. At least not yet.

The Steelers were fine. They were stable. They didn't need to make these moves. They weren't 4-12 last season; they went 12-4. The only thing that stopped them was a gimpy Roethlisberger and the fact Tim Tebow exposed Troy Polamalu's occasionally clumsy pass covering skills. That's it. The offense wasn't the problem. The Steelers could have easily won a Super Bowl this year with Arians. Adding Haley into the mix is like tossing a stick of dynamite into a placid lake.

"I've gotten a lot of calls and texts and emails from people around the league, both good and bad about him," Roethlisberger told the Post-Gazette. "Everybody has an opinion, as we all know, and they're letting me know what their interaction with him was -- good, bad and indifferent. I've heard a lot of things, and I'm looking forward to meeting him and forming my own opinion."

Wow, that's quite the endorsement.

Again, I expect Tomlin at some point to publicly endorse the release of Arians and hiring of Haley once he meets with the media and they're allowed to ask questions. Tomlin's performance will earn him at least a Golden Globe. He'll beat out Clooney. No, this isn't a Steeler civil war but it sure does seem like things aren't very civil.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/1724 ... eelerslike (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/17245562/rooney-iis-meddling-with-tomlins-coaching-staff-is-shockingly-unsteelerslike)

fezziwig
02-14-2012, 06:22 PM
Let me ask you poster this, " does anyone view Tomlin any less than before ?

I think the media is trying to create its own story as they have always tried. The media runs from true stories but, they'll stir the pot on small subjects.


I say "No" I still have the same respect for Tomlin as always. In fact, Tomlin would have been on my $hit list had keep retained Arians. I have gained more respect for Art II. And I gained more respect prior with Art II when, back at the end of 2003 he said and very hostile like too, " we've addressed all the needs I
m. ready to win the Super Bowl. " You could tell he was pissed that Cowher wasn't getting the job done and with that, I knew this Steeler team is more than just business for Art the 2nd.
I see it now with this Arians release. Art II isn't stupid. He can see our offenses over the years have had the weapons but have come up short so many times. Everyone talks this is a passing league, a put points on the board league but, with all the talent that we have and have had, Arians can only rack up yardage and fieldgoals.
Heck, the Arizona Super Bowl shouldn't have been so dramatic if, the Steelers didn't settle for a couple of fieldgoals. I understand that the defense has to do their part too but, we always have a top defenses and as I said and you all know, this league is now set up to score points.

Nope, I have no less respect for Tomlin but, I have a heck of a lot more for Art rooney II.

feltdizz
02-14-2012, 06:39 PM
I can't wait to see this new offense...

ikestops85
02-15-2012, 11:49 AM
This Mike Freeman guy doesn't have a clue. Some of the stuff he says is blatantly wrong. Dan Rooney DID tell Chuck Noll to get rid of some of his assistants. He even did it a second time which is when Noll retired.

I'm also not sure why it's such a big deal that ARII said something about Ben having to "tweak" his game. I think we all know that if Ben is going to continue being an NFL quarterback for years to come he is going to have to minimize the hits he takes. That is really just a common sense statement by Rooney.

Now, to say there is a little Jerry Jones in ARII is just bullcrap. Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder are rich people who went thru a mid-life crisis and bought a football team to play with. ARII was raised as a football guy. He knows the ins and outs of the entire organization. He saw what he thought was a problem and he acted upon it. I doubt he acted in a vacuum either. I'm sure he talked to both Colbert and Tomlin before he reached a decision.

The Steelers are normally considered a conservative team. They don't tend to make rash decisions. I think BA was an average OC so it was a little surprising that they forced him out. After all they did go to 2 SBs with him, winning one of them. That goes to show you can win it all with a great Coordinator on one side of the ball (sorry Ovi) and an average one on the other side. ARII decided to roll the dice and go for better than average on the offensive side. I think he read the writing on the wall that the league is going to keep making it harder for physical defenses to thrive and realize we are in need of a dominant offense. We have a QB and other weapons in place to achieve that goal.

Here's hoping that Haley is the missing piece of the puzzle. :Cheers

feltdizz
02-15-2012, 12:13 PM
I don't see BA being "forced out" in all of this.... he had 5 years as an OC, did some good things and some bad things.

After 5 years we felt like going in a new direction. Period. End of story. All the other stuff is for clicks IMO.

Now if Lebeau (sorry Ovi) :wink: was let go I could see people saying he was forced out given his history of top 5 D's.

hawaiiansteel
02-16-2012, 07:07 PM
Rooney addresses criticism

By Rob Rossi, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, February 16, 2012


Art Rooney II, the son and grandson of Pro Football Hall of Fame NFL owners, reserves the right to continue his family tradition of running the Steelers with a "hands-on" approach. That does not mean he handpicked head coach Mike Tomlin's new offensive coordinator, Todd Haley.

"I can`t say what people on the outside think, but (Tomlin) picks his staff," Rooney told the Tribune-Review.

Fans not willing to buy those words should remember which two men spoke at the news conference at which Haley was introduced last week, Rooney said. Those men: Tomlin and Haley.

"Mike picks his staff, like I said, so he should talk about it in public," Rooney said in a wide-ranging interview. "The head coach should do the talking in that situation, not the owner."

Rare public criticism has come the Steelers` way since the team`s surprising loss at Denver in the first round of the AFC playoffs last month. Many callers to talk radio shows have questioned Rooney`s role in the brief retirement of former offensive coordinator Bruce Arians, the subsequent courtship and hiring of Haley, and Rooney's public critique of franchise quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

Roethlisberger, who still had not met with Haley days after the hiring, requested a one-on-one with Rooney, who did not say if that meeting had occurred. However, Rooney acknowledged chatting with an unnamed player in his office at the team`s South Side facility as Tomlin introduced Haley at that news conference.

Keeping an open door for players is one of the many aspects of Dan Rooney`s ownership philosophy that Art Rooney II intended to maintain as part of his style when he took over day-to-day operations from his father in 2009. The younger Rooney has been Steelers president since 2003.

"My father and I always felt like we`re going to be hands-on, involved in the important decisions that are made, and we`ve felt like that for some time," Rooney said. "I think the fans appreciate the fact that the Rooneys are present and involved and have a history of that. Let`s put it this way: When I hear from fans I never get the complaint, ‚ÄėHey, you`re too involved.` "
Rooney touched on other topics during his interview with the Trib:

>> On speaking publicly about team matters: "In certain cases, it`s a tough call. I try to be judicious in how often I comment on things because there`s only a limited amount of time that fans expect the owner to be making comments. I don`t have a weekly radio show. But I think it`s a judgment call. In this current day and age, there is more demand for it, more of an appetite for it than in the past, but I still try to pick my spots. Mike introducing Todd is a good example of a spot when I didn`t need to talk. That was Mike`s hire."

>> On his specific role with the Steelers: "There are roles I don`t want to play. I don`t want to call plays. I don`t want to tell coaches what the game plan should be every week. I don`t want to tell (general manager Kevin Colbert) who to draft in the fifth round. There is a line you have to draw as an owner between providing knowledgeable input and that place where you can become a distraction."

>> On the Steelers` ownership structure and the nine-person board of directors, four of whom are not members of the Rooney family: "That`s been a significant change, and as far as I`m concerned one for the positive because it sets us up for the future. They`re really invested in our organization. They weren`t people expecting to make a lot of changes, they believed in what we are doing.

"(The board meetings are) an opportunity for some of the new owners to participate in the overall direction, whether that`s expanding Heinz Field or other investments. On the football side, it`s more of an information kind of situation and me answering questions. It`s a good group. They are interested, they create enthusiasm, and as far as I`m concerned they`ve brought a lot to the table.

"We have quarterly meetings, in person four times a year. If something comes up, we update in between. One is an owners meeting."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... z1maMKrN6g (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_781987.html#ixzz1maMKrN6g)

steelz09
02-16-2012, 08:40 PM
good move by Rooney.

If this is true and I think it is.... then there is one BIG lingering question.....

How does Tomlin have such a change of heart....

In a PC, he said he didn't expect any coaching changes.... then the Arians situation.

That is questionable.

feltdizz
02-16-2012, 10:01 PM
good move by Rooney.

If this is true and I think it is.... then there is one BIG lingering question.....

How does Tomlin have such a change of heart....

In a PC, he said he didn't expect any coaching changes.... then the Arians situation.

That is questionable.
What if Tomlin didn't have a change of heart? Maybe he planned on getting rid of Arians all along but didn't put it out there because he wanted to get out of town without a media circus.

The media had a week of head scratching because Ben was in Hawaii and Tomlin was in Alabama at the Senior bowl. I also think this was a case of Tomlin not showing his hand to Ben and the media...

This isn't the first time a HC or FO implied a person's job was safe before firing them... it's done all the time.

Eich
02-17-2012, 12:23 AM
I assume it was:

Tomlin wanted to keep Arians
Rooney said no, time to move on
Tomlin interviewed candidates and decided to hire Haley

Is that not the most likely scenario?

hawaiiansteel
02-17-2012, 03:00 AM
Art Rooney: Offensive coordinator choice was Tomlin's

Friday, February 17, 2012
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

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Steelers president Art Rooney II said the Haley family ties with team had nothing to do with the hiring of Todd Haley as the team's offensive coordinator.

Not only did Art Rooney II say he had nothing to do with the hiring of Todd Haley, but the Steelers president also was a bit surprised that coach Mike Tomlin wound up hiring him as his new offensive coordinator.

"I think the bottom line is, Mike was comfortable that's who he wanted to come in," Rooney said Thursday afternoon. "It may be fair to say that when he started the discussions and Todd's name was on his original list, I don't think he expected that Todd was the guy he was going to wind up hiring. But as he had more conversations with him, he became more comfortable that he was the right guy for the job."

Rooney agreed to an interview with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette to counter rampant speculation that he, not Tomlin, hired Haley to replace Bruce Arians, whose contract was not renewed by the team.

Rooney talked about the process and said that Haley and former Indianapolis head coach Jim Caldwell were the only candidates Tomlin invited to Pittsburgh for interviews. He said he and general manager Kevin Colbert were kept informed by the coach.

"Mike identified a number of candidates that he wanted to talk to and did all of the initial discussions," Rooney said. "We talked about who he was talking to. Kevin and I talked to him, and he sort of kept us in the loop as to who he was thinking about.

"Then he decided who he wanted to bring in for a follow-up interview into Pittsburgh. I did talk to the guys who came into Pittsburgh. I'm not even sure I'd call it an interview, but I had a conversation with them.

"I wouldn't want my role in it to be overestimated because Mike has to decide who he wants on the staff. Even though there's always a discussion between me and Mike about who he's hiring and how much we're paying him and those kinds of things, it's normally a discussion of the business side of the arrangement than, 'Are we going to hire a guy who's going to run the ball so many times a game.' It was a fairly normal process as far as I'm concerned in terms of how we've done those kinds of hirings in the past."

Dick Haley, Todd's father, had a long run with the Steelers, first as a cornerback in his final four seasons in the NFL, and then for 20 years as their director of player personnel. Todd Haley was a Steelers ballboy. However, those family connections had nothing to do with Haley being a candidate for the job, Rooney said.

"No. I've known the Haley family for a long time and I have great respect for Todd's father. Really, I've had very little contact with Todd for most of his adult life. I knew him as a kid. It's not like Todd is somebody I've had this long friendship with and been dying to bring here.

"I've respected his work and enjoyed seeing him sort of grow in the league. He's had a somewhat unusual path into the league, not coming from the football world, and that's one of the more impressive aspects of how much he's accomplished. But as far as him being a friend of mine or a friend of the family had nothing to do with it."

As for the matter of how quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and Haley will get along, Rooney said he met with Roethlisberger this week and he foresees no problem between the two.

"I had a good conversation with Ben the other day and he's anxious to get started and to get to know him. It's February."

Rooney laughed when asked if Haley and Roethlisberger had yet met, and said facetiously, "We're getting to the point where every time somebody meets with somebody around here we've got to have a press conference."

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feltdizz
02-17-2012, 10:19 AM
I assume it was:

Tomlin wanted to keep Arians
Rooney said no, time to move on
Tomlin interviewed candidates and decided to hire Haley

Is that not the most likely scenario?

Nope... check the time line.

Tomlin has his final press conference on Jan 9th and says both coordinators should be back...

Caldwell is fired on Jan 18th... Rumors of BA not returning start circulating that same evening. It's not a coincidence.. Tomlin was going after Caldwell.


Mike Tomlin made this decision... He wanted Caldwell but Haley impresses in the interview. I'm happy Tomlin went with his head and not his heart.

Captain Lemming
02-19-2012, 02:05 PM
I assume it was:

Tomlin wanted to keep Arians
Rooney said no, time to move on
Tomlin interviewed candidates and decided to hire Haley

Is that not the most likely scenario?

Nope... check the time line.

Tomlin has his final press conference on Jan 9th and says both coordinators should be back...

Caldwell is fired on Jan 18th... Rumors of BA not returning start circulating that same evening. It's not a coincidence.. Tomlin was going after Caldwell.


Mike Tomlin made this decision... He wanted Caldwell but Haley impresses in the interview. I'm happy Tomlin went with his head and not his heart.

Hey the "principle" of the Rooney rule works both ways. :)