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Dee Dub
01-27-2012, 03:58 PM
http://cnnsi.com/2012/writers/don_banks ... =hp_t11_a2 (http://cnnsi.com/2012/writers/don_banks/01/26/mock-draft/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a2)

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Pittsburgh Steelers
Cordy Glenn, OG-OT, Georgia. The Steelers are being given Memphis DT Dontari Poe in plenty of mocks, and he makes sense as a replacement for veteran Casey Hampton, who is coming off ACL surgery. But have you seen the state of the Steelers' offensive line the past two seasons? Until convinced otherwise, we consider Pittsburgh's OL issues to be its top priority.

I dont believe Glenn is there at 24 but if this were to happen, I sure would be happy.

focosteeler
01-27-2012, 04:43 PM
would you be happy with poe? A lot of people seem split on him

Dee Dub
01-27-2012, 06:22 PM
would you be happy with poe? A lot of people seem split on him

At 24? I dont know about that. The guy I think is a better fit for NT is Brandon Thompson. I would feel a lot better with Poe if we were getting him at 30-35.

hawaiiansteel
01-27-2012, 06:33 PM
would you be happy with poe? A lot of people seem split on him


DONTARI POE DT, Memphis

2011 GRADE: 6.8 D HT: 6-5 WT: 350

Nationalfootballpost Scouting Report


What I like…

- A tall, well put together 350-pound lineman who carries his weight well and doesn't possess much soft flesh.

- Displays a physically put together lower half as well. Is strong through the base, legs and calves and honestly can play at 350. Has a Haloti Ngata type build.

- Is a monster in the weight room. Puts in the time off the field to get better/stronger.

- Showcases natural bend when sitting into his stance. Keeps his base down well off the football and can gain leverage initially due to pad level.

- Exhibits a "plus" first step for his size. Showcases the ability to get into opposing linemen quickly and keep his pad level down in the process.

- Demonstrates a natural snap through the hips and can simply overwhelm his man with the generated force/power he's' able to create into contact.

- Showcases the ability to keep his pad level down through contact when trying to knife his way into the backfield vs. the run game. With ease fights his way through contact.

- Is a bear to move inside, showcases "plus" natural power, can sit low into contact and with ease hold the point of attack.

- Displays some nimbleness as a pass rusher. Can use his foot quickness to change directions quickly in tight areas and push his way through contact once he gains a step.

- Exhibits a clever/concise spin move where he can slip blocks and get into the backfield in pass rushing situations.

- Demonstrates the power and flexibility to gain leverage and consistently push the pocket inside at the next level.

- Exhibits above average range for his size off his frame and will chase in pursuit.

- Displays good snap awareness for the most part and is routinely one of the first linemen firing off the ball.

- The upside with this guy is tremendous. Has the skill set to anchor a defense inside as a 34 or 43 nose.

- Seems like a hungry kid who is willing to put in the work and develop at his trade.

What I don't like…

- Doesn't take a positive first step off the football in either the run or pass game. Needs to do a better job maximizing his first step in order to reset the line of scrimmage, wastes too much motion.

- Needs to do a better job finding the football. Doesn't consistently decipher information quickly and put himself around the action.

- Needs to learn to extend his arms consistently at the point and use his hands better. Too often gets caught playing short armed into contact.

- Is forced to get upright through contact when trying to shed because he doesn't gain leverage and extend his arms well initially into the play.

- When trying to extend his arms initially into contact vs. the run game, he tends to get doubled over more at the waist and doesn't play with the same type of bend, causing him to struggle with balance/power through the play.

- Isn't a real sudden pass rusher. Showcases some nimbleness, but gets caught popping upright through contact when trying to avoid blocks, which limits his power.

- Doesn't possess a great burst once he gains a step when truing to close quickly on the football.

- Showcases the willingness to work in pursuit, but the motor will cool off at times.

- Hasn't ever been real productive because of his lacking technique and ability to consistently find the football. Is a boom or bust kind of player.

Impression: Has a rare physical skill set due to his combination of flexibility, power and get off burst. However, he's still learning the nuances of the position. If he's willing to put in the time, Poe can mature into one of the leagues better interior presences. Nevertheless, because he's raw his floor isn't overly high either.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/col ... ayer=42324 (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=42324)

Dee Dub
01-27-2012, 06:48 PM
All these negatives listed for Poe are some of my concerns as well. His height can tend to be a liability at NT. A position that requires leverage. Also being as big as he is (arm length), tends to be a negative there as well. Now one thing I will say, he is a very strong man.

Keep an eye on NC NT Tydreke Powell.

NJ-STEELER
01-27-2012, 07:15 PM
poe doesnt fit the direction we've been drafting lately

early at least.

memphis isnt a big time college program

BigRob
01-27-2012, 07:16 PM
poe doesnt fit the direction we've been drafting lately

early at least.

memphis isnt a big time college program

This is something everyone needs to keep in mind. Also what is his age? Steelers like em young. :D

BigRob
01-27-2012, 07:18 PM
All these negatives listed for Poe are some of my concerns as well. His height can tend to be a liability at NT. A position that requires leverage. Also being as big as he is (arm length), tends to be a negative there as well. Now one thing I will say, he is a very strong man.

Keep an eye on NC NT Tydreke Powell.

What do you think of Hebron Fangupo as late round UFA type?

Dee Dub
01-27-2012, 07:53 PM
All these negatives listed for Poe are some of my concerns as well. His height can tend to be a liability at NT. A position that requires leverage. Also being as big as he is (arm length), tends to be a negative there as well. Now one thing I will say, he is a very strong man.

Keep an eye on NC NT Tydreke Powell.

What do you think of Hebron Fangupo as late round UFA type?

The USC transfer. I gotta be honest I didnt see much of him while he was at BYU. I know when he first came to USC he was highly touted. But he got hurt and never got the real chance to show much.

hawaiiansteel
01-27-2012, 09:27 PM
Keep an eye on NC NT Tydreke Powell.


only saw Powell play a couple of times but when I did he got pushed around because he doesn't keep his pad level down low enough. blockers were able to consistently get underneath him and drive him backwards.

I wonder if this is something an NFL coach can correct or is it too late if a DL doesn't know how to do that by the time they are out of college?

SteelCrazy
01-28-2012, 01:52 AM
What did I say? Keep an eye on my mock draft........

1. Cordy Glenn, G, Georgia/ Height: 6-5. Weight: 348.


He's a huge dude that got beat some this year playing tackle but before that he was an awesome Guard and thats where we are going to use him. Since we may be going back to "Steelers Football" he'll be a welcomed addition to the run game as he has been know to move mountains only using his eye lashes.

2. Dontari Poe*, NT, Memphis/ Height: 6-5. Weight: 350.


He eats a lot....of space and can still make plays when double teamed. He is the long term answer we need after Casey is gone.

3. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt/ Height: 5-11. Weight: 188.


He was all over the field making plays and ints. to start the year but cooled down in the 2nd half of the season. Has great potential and we can never have enough good CB's.

4. Audie Cole, ILB, North Carolina State/ Height: 6-5. Weight: 239.


What impresses me is he led the team in tackles his JUNIOR year as an OLB. Versatility is a good thing.

5. Joel Foreman, G, Michigan State/ Height: 6-4. Weight: 310.


Because we need more help here

6. Cody Johnson, FB, Texas/ Height: 5-11. Weight: 250.


We need one now that Brucey is gone. Might as well get one in the draft.

7. Randy Bullock, K, Texas A&M/ Height: 5-9. Weight: 212.


We need one of these too.........

Dresden
01-28-2012, 01:53 AM
height can tend to be a liability at NT. A position that requires leverage.

Exactly. Generally the only players that defy this "rule" are more often than not exceptional "freaks".

steelblood
01-28-2012, 10:17 AM
Keep an eye on NC NT Tydreke Powell.


only saw Powell play a couple of times but when I did he got pushed around because he doesn't keep his pad level down low enough. blockers were able to consistently get underneath him and drive him backwards.

I wonder if this is something an NFL coach can correct or is it too late if a DL doesn't know how to do that by the time they are out of college?

I agree with the Hawaiian gentleman. Powell plays a decent game penetrating. But, too often I've seen him pushed backward by a single blocker in the run game. He does not anchor well at all. Perhaps he could learn, but I'm not impressed with what I saw in a few games this season.

steelblood
01-28-2012, 11:21 AM
[quote="Dee Dub":2imrjk2i]All these negatives listed for Poe are some of my concerns as well. His height can tend to be a liability at NT. A position that requires leverage. Also being as big as he is (arm length), tends to be a negative there as well. Now one thing I will say, he is a very strong man.

Keep an eye on NC NT Tydreke Powell.

What do you think of Hebron Fangupo as late round UFA type?

The USC transfer. I gotta be honest I didnt see much of him while he was at BYU. I know when he first came to USC he was highly touted. But he got hurt and never got the real chance to show much.[/quote:2imrjk2i]

I've seen Fangupo play a few times this year. I've taken some notes.
vs Tulsa-Plays in a 3/4. Plays DE & NT, mostly DE. Good athlete, moves well. Pursues QB to sideline for T. Strong, gets push, but dsn't hold POA. Splits dbl team with quickness and strong hands. Doesn't anchor well against double team if he can't penetrate.

grotonsteel
01-28-2012, 11:39 AM
[quote="Dee Dub":20pc5s46]All these negatives listed for Poe are some of my concerns as well. His height can tend to be a liability at NT. A position that requires leverage. Also being as big as he is (arm length), tends to be a negative there as well. Now one thing I will say, he is a very strong man.

Keep an eye on NC NT Tydreke Powell.

What do you think of Hebron Fangupo as late round UFA type?

The USC transfer. I gotta be honest I didnt see much of him while he was at BYU. I know when he first came to USC he was highly touted. But he got hurt and never got the real chance to show much.[/quote:20pc5s46]

I have not seen Fangupo play but Steelers seem to do well with Mountain Region D-linemen. Maybe they should look for D-line from that region.


Scouting Report:

http://www.fanaticalfootballfiend.com/3 ... ports.html (http://www.fanaticalfootballfiend.com/3/post/2011/11/hebron-fangupo-scouting-reports.html)

"A former JUCO kid who transferred from USC to BYU following the 2010 season. Is a raw kid who finally has learned to sit into his stance, play with his base down and fire off the football. However, despite his shorter frame still gets upright off the ball and will struggle with leverage at times in the run game.

Plays in a 34 front at BYU where he is the five-technique and asked to two gap. Is a naturally powerful kid and even when he gets upright is still a bear to move off the football. Exhibits a little suddenness at times when asked to use his hands to shed blocks when run at.

But his high pad level makes it tough for him to maintain balance and breakdown on blocks off his frame. However, possesses the natural strength to anchor inside, just needs to learn to play a bit lower off the snap and keep his pad level down into contact.

Is limited as a pass rusher. Exhibits the power and motor to overpower on contact and get a good punch at the point of attack.

Will extend his arms at times in order to create a punch and is a decent athlete on stunts on the edge. However, doesn't have the burst to slip blocks once he gains a step because of his pad level and isn't real sudden laterally, more of a linear guy.

Impression: A naturally strong kid with a great attitude and work rate. Needs to improve pad level, but has the kind of natural power and work ethic to make it with some time."

Shoe
01-28-2012, 03:04 PM
I really disagree with taking a NT in the first. We've already invested firsts on Ziggy and Cam. One would hope that sticking anyone (e.g. McLendon) in between two first round picks would be AT LEAST sufficient to get by on. Unless you're already conceding that Hood &/or Heyward are disappointments.

Not to say that we don't need a Nose, or other DL. Just saying investing 3 first-round picks in the last four years into this area of the team that doesn't do much besideds tie up blockers seems like a waste.

StarSpangledSteeler
01-28-2012, 03:21 PM
I really disagree with taking a NT in the first. We've already invested firsts on Ziggy and Cam. One would hope that sticking anyone (e.g. McLendon) in between two first round picks would be AT LEAST sufficient to get by on. Unless you're already conceding that Hood &/or Heyward are disappointments.

Not to say that we don't need a Nose, or other DL. Just saying investing 3 first-round picks in the last four years into this area of the team that doesn't do much besideds tie up blockers seems like a waste.

I tend to agree with this. Obviously every team wants a great NT, but 3 first round picks on the DL? In a 3-4? Who's usually only on the field for two downs anyway? Where the DL is just supposed to draw double teams and hold their ground so LB's can make the plays?

Imagine if we spent 3 first round picks on the OL. Can you imagine how much more effective our run game would be? Mendenhall wouldn't know what what to do. He'd be like, "How come I'm not getting hit in the backfield? Why is there a gaping hole in the line of scrimmage? Is this a trick?" And imagine if Ben had an extra couple of seconds on every single passing play. He would shred teams apart. Our problem is scoring. We should be spending top picks on prospects who can help us get POINTS.

NJ-STEELER
01-28-2012, 04:28 PM
I really disagree with taking a NT in the first. We've already invested firsts on Ziggy and Cam. One would hope that sticking anyone (e.g. McLendon) in between two first round picks would be AT LEAST sufficient to get by on. Unless you're already conceding that Hood &/or Heyward are disappointments.

Not to say that we don't need a Nose, or other DL. Just saying investing 3 first-round picks in the last four years into this area of the team that doesn't do much besideds tie up blockers seems like a waste.

i was saying that after we drafted cam.

i'd go nuts if they take a NT in the 1st round

Dee Dub
01-28-2012, 06:11 PM
Keep an eye on NC NT Tydreke Powell.


only saw Powell play a couple of times but when I did he got pushed around because he doesn't keep his pad level down low enough. blockers were able to consistently get underneath him and drive him backwards.

I wonder if this is something an NFL coach can correct or is it too late if a DL doesn't know how to do that by the time they are out of college?

I agree with the Hawaiian gentleman. Powell plays a decent game penetrating. But, too often I've seen him pushed backward by a single blocker in the run game. He does not anchor well at all. Perhaps he could learn, but I'm not impressed with what I saw in a few games this season.


I am talking about keeping an eye out for Powell for two reasons, one, he could be a mid-round value pick (3rd or 4th), and two, I've heard from someone the Steelers were talking a lot to the N.C. Football coaching staff about him.

Not becuase I want him in roud 1 or 2.

Dee Dub
01-28-2012, 06:16 PM
You dont take a NT in round because of one reason and one reason only. Because at 24 there isnt one in this draft who is worthy of that pick. But believe you me, if there was a Hiloti Ngata there, regardless of what you drafted lately, you take him.

Slapstick
01-28-2012, 06:30 PM
If there is a value pick at #24 on the o-line, just take him...

Tackle, Guard, Center...it doesn't matter...

Starks has a torn ACL and will be too fat to play football when it's time for camp...

Colon is coming off a second freak injury and hasn't played for almost two full seasons...

Gilbert has shown promise, but J Scott is nothing to write home about...

Get a good player for the o-line (without overdrafting!) and that guy will find a spot and improve the line as a whole...