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SteelCrazy
01-11-2012, 10:02 PM
Just curious what you think.

Chadman
01-11-2012, 10:12 PM
Tomlin knows there will be roster upheavel & doesn't want to burden new young players being asked to raise their level of play to replace departing vets to also be asked to learn a new playbook.

Continuity in a time of upheavel.

pfelix73
01-11-2012, 10:26 PM
2 and 4 go together. He doesn't have the cojones to fire him because of Ben...

:tt1

fezziwig
01-11-2012, 11:31 PM
Agree that 2 and 4 go together but since I could only pick one I, picked two.

Should have had another choice that reads:

Tomlin doesn't know enough about offense to figure out the problem.

SteelCrazy
01-11-2012, 11:35 PM
Agree that 2 and 4 go together but since I could only pick one I, picked two.

Should have had another choice that reads:

Tomlin doesn't know enough about offense to figure out the problem.

I'd agree with yinz, but I dont believe Tomlin is afraid of Big Ben

sd steel
01-12-2012, 12:26 AM
Agree that 2 and 4 go together but since I could only pick one I, picked two.

Should have had another choice that reads:

Tomlin doesn't know enough about offense to figure out the problem.

I'd agree with yinz, but I dont believe Tomlin is afraid of Big Ben

Tomlin isn't afraid of Ben, but Ben is the $100 million franchise QB 2 time Super Bowl champion that we invested our future in. Ben calls the shots. Tomlin might have input if a decision needs to be made, but no decision will need to be made if Ben doesn't want any change.

Mister Pittsburgh
01-12-2012, 01:29 AM
I think fans lament over losses harder than players and coaches do. I mean how fired up do you really think Tomlin is over this season? Guy has it made. Stadium is full, team is 12-4, have been to two Superbowls in what 5 years with this crew? Dude is riding the wave right now & doesn't want to screw things up. Firing a coordinator & trying to improve things could make things worse so what's his motivation to do so.

Steelerphile
01-12-2012, 05:49 AM
I don't think it is as easy to upgrade a coordinator as a lot of people think. Who do you hire, a retread or someone who has never been a coordinator? The Jet fans moaned about their OC as much or more as Steelers fans. Now they hire a retread in Sparano, and some don't seem satisfied with him.

In a vacuum, where fans operate, it is a lot simpler to say fire someone without any idea of who would replace him, then it is to actually do it.

Slapstick
01-12-2012, 09:29 AM
I think fans lament over losses harder than players and coaches do. I mean how fired up do you really think Tomlin is over this season? Guy has it made. Stadium is full, team is 12-4, have been to two Superbowls in what 5 years with this crew? Dude is riding the wave right now & doesn't want to screw things up. Firing a coordinator & trying to improve things could make things worse so what's his motivation to do so.

A lot of key Steelers starters weren't able to stay healthy this year...who knows what they could have done with better health?

Firing Arians, LeBeau or Tomlin doesn't make those guys healthier...

Mister Pittsburgh
01-12-2012, 09:37 AM
I think fans lament over losses harder than players and coaches do. I mean how fired up do you really think Tomlin is over this season? Guy has it made. Stadium is full, team is 12-4, have been to two Superbowls in what 5 years with this crew? Dude is riding the wave right now & doesn't want to screw things up. Firing a coordinator & trying to improve things could make things worse so what's his motivation to do so.

A lot of key Steelers starters weren't able to stay healthy this year...who knows what they could have done with better health?

Firing Arians, LeBeau or Tomlin doesn't make those guys healthier...

I have no beef with keeping Lebeau. But answer this, was our redzone woes this year limited to just this season? Has this been an issue for more than this season, the past two, three, four seasons? Would firing Arians and hiring a new OC fix this issue?

feltdizz
01-12-2012, 10:12 AM
[quote="Mister Pittsburgh":37gu1qfg]I think fans lament over losses harder than players and coaches do. I mean how fired up do you really think Tomlin is over this season? Guy has it made. Stadium is full, team is 12-4, have been to two Superbowls in what 5 years with this crew? Dude is riding the wave right now & doesn't want to screw things up. Firing a coordinator & trying to improve things could make things worse so what's his motivation to do so.

A lot of key Steelers starters weren't able to stay healthy this year...who knows what they could have done with better health?

Firing Arians, LeBeau or Tomlin doesn't make those guys healthier...

I have no beef with keeping Lebeau. But answer this, was our redzone woes this year limited to just this season? Has this been an issue for more than this season, the past two, three, four seasons? Would firing Arians and hiring a new OC fix this issue?[/quote:37gu1qfg]

A new OC won't fix the way Ben plays and Ben isn't a consistent QB. He is clutch, gritty and a great playmaker but he isn't fluid and he doesn't take what is there half the time.

There is no way Ben moves the ball with ease between the 20's and somehow gets handicapped by Arians in the RZ. How can Ben be so awesome yet so easily foiled by the OC once inside the 20?

Slapstick
01-12-2012, 10:57 AM
I have no beef with keeping Lebeau. But answer this, was our redzone woes this year limited to just this season? Has this been an issue for more than this season, the past two, three, four seasons? Would firing Arians and hiring a new OC fix this issue?

Do we still have the same offensive line?

aggiebones
01-12-2012, 11:20 AM
I find it humorous to think another OC is going to magically fix that horrendous OL.

Yes, some was bad luck, losing Starks midgame and Pouncey in pregame.

What magical offense would arise with another OC?

Frankly, with that OL, all you can do is what they are doing. Hoping Ben can stay upright, fight through collapses in the scheme and make a big play.
His leg gets hurt, its over.

ikestops85
01-12-2012, 11:56 AM
Tomlin seems to be a straight shooter to me. Remember his first training camp when he put Hines and several other veterans in their place? Remember how he got on Big Snack when he couldn't finish the conditioning test? He's not afraid of any player or coach. He doesn't feel it will be easy to get an upgrade for Arians. It's that plain and simple.

SteelCrazy
01-12-2012, 12:32 PM
[quote="Mister Pittsburgh":3bvja72f]I think fans lament over losses harder than players and coaches do. I mean how fired up do you really think Tomlin is over this season? Guy has it made. Stadium is full, team is 12-4, have been to two Superbowls in what 5 years with this crew? Dude is riding the wave right now & doesn't want to screw things up. Firing a coordinator & trying to improve things could make things worse so what's his motivation to do so.

A lot of key Steelers starters weren't able to stay healthy this year...who knows what they could have done with better health?

Firing Arians, LeBeau or Tomlin doesn't make those guys healthier...

I have no beef with keeping Lebeau. But answer this, was our redzone woes this year limited to just this season? Has this been an issue for more than this season, the past two, three, four seasons? Would firing Arians and hiring a new OC fix this issue?

A new OC won't fix the way Ben plays and Ben isn't a consistent QB. He is clutch, gritty and a great playmaker but he isn't fluid and he doesn't take what is there half the time.

There is no way Ben moves the ball with ease between the 20's and somehow gets handicapped by Arians in the RZ. How can Ben be so awesome yet so easily foiled by the OC once inside the 20?[/quote:3bvja72f]

You just made it sound like the Steelers do not need an OC. Ben is the problem and if he'd just dump it off to the underneath man we'd be lighting up the score board.

OC is the problem! Ben covers that fact by being elusive between the 20's, but once the D has its back to the wall they're able to rope in Ben. We need someone who can design plays and be creative in the play calling or we will continue to be one of the worst redzone O's in the league.

feltdizz
01-12-2012, 12:58 PM
You just made it sound like the Steelers do not need an OC. Ben is the problem and if he'd just dump it off to the underneath man we'd be lighting up the score board.

OC is the problem! Ben covers that fact by being elusive between the 20's, but once the D has its back to the wall they're able to rope in Ben. We need someone who can design plays and be creative in the play calling or we will continue to be one of the worst redzone O's in the league.

Every game Ben dumped it off underneath we blew the other team out. That's a fact.

Ben doesn't cover up anything... he just needs to take what is there and we will be a better team.

Oviedo
01-12-2012, 04:24 PM
Tomlin seems to be a straight shooter to me. Remember his first training camp when he put Hines and several other veterans in their place? Remember how he got on Big Snack when he couldn't finish the conditioning test? He's not afraid of any player or coach. He doesn't feel it will be easy to get an upgrade for Arians. It's that plain and simple.


Truth!!! Anyone who thinlks Tomlin is intimidated or afraid of offending any plauyer is an idiot. Tomlin has probably earned more respect from his players than Cowher ever did because the whole Cowher tough guy act was a joke to the players. You use to see when they asked about it how they all would get a big grin before answering.

Tomlin is one of the most respected coaches in the league. He doesn't have to worry about what anyone thinks except for AR II, especially fans.

SteelCrazy
01-12-2012, 08:05 PM
Tomlin is scared of me! I punked him in an alley up in the 'Burgh about 3 weeks ago. Seriously though, players loved and respected Cowher. "RUSH THE QUARTERBACK"!

williar
01-12-2012, 09:08 PM
I believe Tomlin would leave this organization before he would allow himself to be rendered powerless by another player, especially one whose play has been questionable at best in his own right.

I think, for now, Tomlin has bought into the "steeler way" which is predicated on continuity. Which is not a bad thing when it has proven to be successful. Furthurmore, Ben doesn't strike me as being very "coachable". I mean, he has been in the same offensive system his entire career and the offense still looks like chopped liver most of the time. Ben didn't get along with Whiz, can you imagine Ben trying to learn a Charlie Weis offense or Todd Haley and Ben coexisting? Tomlin is probably like, I can't do it man....

NJ-STEELER
01-12-2012, 10:13 PM
Continuity in a time of upheavel.

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hawaiiansteel
01-13-2012, 12:35 AM
WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 11, 2012
posted by Dale Lolley

Odds and end zones

Both offensive coordinator Bruce Arians and defensive coordinator D!ck LeBeau have told Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin they want to return for the 2012 season.

Cue the complaining, particularly about Arians.

The Steelers have now played eight playoff games under Tomlin. All eight have gone over, including the 29-23 loss to the Broncos in which the over/under went off at 33.

File that away for future use.

http://www.observer-reporter.com/or/sidelines/