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Dee Dub
01-10-2012, 01:34 PM
"I'm rich play for the steelers and have a awesome life!" he tweeted soon after the game. "u wish u had my life!!"


"what do u do for a living besides bothering me right now ... " Pouncey tweeted.

"I will idiot!! you enjoy your lame life!!

"your a loser Rick! get a life I hate people like u! dont talk about my life dumb [expletive].

"unfollow me then loser!!

"I'm done talking to losers!"

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12010/12 ... z1j4r81CSB (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12010/1202472-87-0.stm#ixzz1j4r81CSB)

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12010/12 ... z1j4qqsoRU (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12010/1202472-87-0.stm#ixzz1j4qqsoRU)

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12010/1202472-87-0.stm

There is no question that Pouncey is a great football player, but, like I did when he came out of a game for flu like symptoms ( a game that had playoff implications), I still have to question his character. I think these comments show some of this character. Not good.

phillyesq
01-10-2012, 01:47 PM
Ron Cook had an article about this for the PG:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12010/1202472-87-0.stm

Why he was promoting a rapper so soon after the loss is beyond me.

Oviedo
01-10-2012, 01:47 PM
Living in Florida and knowing lots of kids who were in the student body with Pouncey I think you are worrying about nothing. Never heard anything except that Pouncey is a class act.

Can't expect everyone to be eloquent when dealing with idiots. Best not to have a twitter account. I can't understand why these guys feel they need them.

phillyesq
01-10-2012, 01:51 PM
Living in Florida and knowing lots of kids who were in the student body with Pouncey I think you are worrying about nothing. Never heard anything except that Pouncey is a class act.

Can't expect everyone to be eloquent when dealing with idiots. Best not to have a twitter account. I can't understand why these guys feel they need them.

If the comments to him were unprompted, I can see an argument on his behalf. But he was called out (rightly so IMO) for promoting a rapper within hours after the loss. Even if you don't care about the team, at least pretend that you do and show some self control.

Dee Dub
01-10-2012, 01:53 PM
Living in Florida and knowing lots of kids who were in the student body with Pouncey I think you are worrying about nothing. Never heard anything except that Pouncey is a class act.

Can't expect everyone to be eloquent when dealing with idiots. Best not to have a twitter account. I can't understand why these guys feel they need them.

He was criticized for what he did immediately after the Steelers loss. Not so sure those were actually idiots.

From Cook's article in the PG....

A little context is in order:

Apparently, Pouncey, who did not play against the Broncos because of a high ankle sprain, forcing Legursky to take over the position, tweeted after the loss that his followers should purchase a rapper's music. Some fans were put off by his timing. Moments earlier, the season had ended painfully for his team -- their team -- in the Rocky Mountains. They also weren't happy that Pouncey missed another big game. The guy might be an All-Pro, but can you count on him? He sat out Super Bowl XLV in February with a similar high ankle sprain. The Steelers lost to the Green Bay Packers, 31-25.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12010/12 ... z1j4wSYOZr (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12010/1202472-87-0.stm#ixzz1j4wSYOZr)

Dee Dub
01-10-2012, 01:54 PM
Living in Florida and knowing lots of kids who were in the student body with Pouncey I think you are worrying about nothing. Never heard anything except that Pouncey is a class act.

Can't expect everyone to be eloquent when dealing with idiots. Best not to have a twitter account. I can't understand why these guys feel they need them.

If the comments to him were unprompted, I can see an argument on his behalf. But he was called out (rightly so IMO) for promoting a rapper within hours after the loss. Even if you don't care about the team, at least pretend that you do and show some self control.

Yep!! If those were idiots then Pouncey created them by his actions. But personally I think they were just fans who love the Steelers and were put off a little by Mr. Pouncey.

feltdizz
01-10-2012, 01:56 PM
Now this is an issue I can side with you on Dub.

This was incredibly stupid on his part.

SteelBucks
01-10-2012, 02:00 PM
His tweets were not 'Santonio like' but he did use terrible judgement in timing. Right after a playoff loss? Sheesh.

Ghost
01-10-2012, 02:26 PM
Interesting that Cook didn't bother to publish what the fans said.

feltdizz
01-10-2012, 02:34 PM
Interesting that Cook didn't bother to publish what the fans said.

doesn't matter.... fans always say crazy things and it's up to Pouncey to show restraint or get off of twitter.

JAR
01-10-2012, 02:52 PM
So, Pouncey can't say whats on his mind, but Tebow can shove his Tebowing down the throats of football fans without a problem?

Dee Dub
01-10-2012, 02:56 PM
So, Pouncey can't say whats on his mind, but Tebow can shove his Tebowing down the throats of football fans without a problem?

You dont see the difference in what Tebow says and what Pouncey said? The goodness that comes out of Tebow's mouth about love, forgiveness, and his thanksgivings for the source of his strength as opposed to the bitter, ugliness that came out of Pouncey's mouth?

Ok

phillyesq
01-10-2012, 03:06 PM
Pouncey's post promoting the rapper was made at 8:44 p.m. Less than an hour after the game ended.

Here are some of the egregious comments to which he responded:


jbrad29 jason bradburn
@ @Probowler53 glad u care about the loss. #typical


Favorite Retweet Reply stevegiglio Steve Giglio
@Probowler53 ... Dude? What are you doing? The game just ended and you tweet that? Kids read this stuff. Get your head right!
8 Jan Favorite Retweet Reply


stevegiglio Steve Giglio
Count on it! Thanks for caring. RT @Probowler53: @stevegiglio I will idiot!! You enjoy your lame life!!
8 Jan Favorite Retweet Reply
stevegiglio Steve Giglio
Clearly he doesn't get it and I doubt he will. lol
8 Jan Favorite Retweet Reply
stevegiglio Steve Giglio
@ @Probowler53 ... Go sell some more t-shirts big man. Enjoy the Pro Bowl! SMH!
8 Jan Favorite Retweet Reply
MaurkicePouncey Maurkice Pouncey
@ @stevegiglio season is over time 2 move on and get better!! What do u do for a living besides bothering me right now and reading my TL #lame
8 Jan Favorite Retweet Reply
Retweeted by @stevegiglio
stevegiglio Steve Giglio
@Probowler53 ... Check your timeline before you get snippy with fans. Wanna explain the profane tweet right after the loss?
8 Jan Favorite Retweet Reply
stevegiglio Steve Giglio
Somebody needs better hanger-on's for their IT department. Find some pro's to handle your business fellas. #Advice @MGilbert76 @Probowler53
8 Jan Favorite Retweet Reply
stevegiglio Steve Giglio
I guess @MGilbert76 uses the same IT morons? cc: @Probowler53 ... real disappointed fellas!
8 Jan Favorite Retweet Reply


Rick_D00Va Rick Duva
@Probowler53 Go see Dermonti Dawson or Mike Webster. They knew how to play center.
8 Jan Favorite Retweet Reply
Rick_D00Va Rick Duva
@Probowler53 See you in the pro bowl. Not the super bowl. Where it matters.
8 Jan Favorite Retweet Reply
Rick_D00Va Rick Duva
@Probowler53 Your rich with confidence and yet you dont play in any games that matter. Yet promote a rapper in your down time. Smh
8 Jan Favorite Retweet Reply
Rick_D00Va Rick Duva
@Probowler53 UMAD bro?
8 Jan Favorite Retweet Reply
Rick_D00Va Rick Duva
@jimrome your a clown and @probowler53 you should be ashamed promoting a rapper after you sat out yet ANOTHER huge game we lost.
8 Jan Favorite Retweet Reply

JAR
01-10-2012, 03:11 PM
So, Pouncey can't say whats on his mind, but Tebow can shove his Tebowing down the throats of football fans without a problem?

You dont see the difference in what Tebow says and what Pouncey said? The goodness that comes out of Tebow's mouth about love, forgiveness, and his thanksgivings for the source of his strength as opposed to the bitter, ugliness that came out of Pouncey's mouth?

Ok

It doesn't matter, he's still expressing himself and a lot of people find it offensive.

phillyesq
01-10-2012, 03:12 PM
One thing that is particularly galling is that Pouncey has been too dumb to remove the inflammatory posts. They're still on his twitter account. Not sure what he's waiting for, but he should delete them immediately.

flippy
01-10-2012, 03:20 PM
What a goober. Some of the fan comments were funny. Glad I don't have a 53 jersey.

Lebsteel
01-10-2012, 03:25 PM
So, Pouncey can't say whats on his mind, but Tebow can shove his Tebowing down the throats of football fans without a problem?
Really JAR? How does Tebow do that? You may not share his beliefs but at least be reasonable in your criticism. IMO there is a huge difference between Pouncey's tweets and Tebow giving thanks.

Slapstick
01-10-2012, 03:27 PM
Twitter is useless and stupid.

If something a professional athlete has to say in 140 characters or less bothers you in some way, that is more of a reflection on you than it is on them.

That's like getting riled up about an ignorant message board post.

And, no, I don't see the difference Tebow and Pouncey. Both players have every right to express themselves...

phillyesq
01-10-2012, 03:28 PM
So, Pouncey can't say whats on his mind, but Tebow can shove his Tebowing down the throats of football fans without a problem?

You dont see the difference in what Tebow says and what Pouncey said? The goodness that comes out of Tebow's mouth about love, forgiveness, and his thanksgivings for the source of his strength as opposed to the bitter, ugliness that came out of Pouncey's mouth?

Ok

It doesn't matter, he's still expressing himself and a lot of people find it offensive.

Did you read Pouncey's twitter posts? He isn't just "expressing himself." Instead, immediately following a loss, before he even makes it to the plane, he's promoting a rapper using terms that are objectively offensive.

If you choose to be subjectively offended by what Tebow says, fine. But there is simply no comparison. Furthermore, you cannot question Tebow's dedication to his team and his will to win -- unfortunately, now, you can't really same the same about Pouncey.

fezziwig
01-10-2012, 03:38 PM
Everyone has the right to speak their mind but if it is offensive then, your going to usually get the ear beating about it.

I think twitter/facebook is all about, look at me type of stuff. People feel the need to brag or just have no life.

The guys is a public figure that represents his team and the owners, he should be smarter with his recoil.

I can't believe anyone wants to compare Pouncey to Tebow. If you can't see the diffeence then................ I really don't know what to even say to that.

Dee Dub
01-10-2012, 03:39 PM
So, Pouncey can't say whats on his mind, but Tebow can shove his Tebowing down the throats of football fans without a problem?

You dont see the difference in what Tebow says and what Pouncey said? The goodness that comes out of Tebow's mouth about love, forgiveness, and his thanksgivings for the source of his strength as opposed to the bitter, ugliness that came out of Pouncey's mouth?

Ok

It doesn't matter, he's still expressing himself and a lot of people find it offensive.

Did you read Pouncey's twitter posts? He isn't just "expressing himself." Instead, immediately following a loss, before he even makes it to the plane, he's promoting a rapper using terms that are objectively offensive.

If you choose to be subjectively offended by what Tebow says, fine. But there is simply no comparison. Furthermore, you cannot question Tebow's dedication to his team and his will to win -- unfortunately, now, you can't really same the same about Pouncey.

Excellent points phillyesq. I got blasted when I came out and questioned Pouncy leaving a game over flu like symptoms. But really how many think Ben would have done that? I was worried about Pouncey's character. And now after missing another big game due to what he himself was quoted as calling "soreness" in his ankle, and his recent behavior on twitter, I think it is evident that he does have a character/maturity issue.

Ghost
01-10-2012, 03:42 PM
So b/c he tweeted about a rapper after the game, he was faking his injury? Because that's what was implied by some of these fans. I think anyone who thinks he sat out of the Super Bowl last year because he doesn't care is a complete moron.

I also find it hilarious that everyone of those punks who responded to Pouncey are cowards who wouldn't have the balls to question his manhood to his face.

You do realize he was held out by the medical staff and coaches. He played on a bum leg the entire game the week before. Do you think he played the browns and just suddenly decided he rather be on the sidelines for the playoffs. Absurd.

Dee Dub
01-10-2012, 03:48 PM
So b/c he tweeted about a rapper after the game, he was faking his injury? Because that's what was implied by some of these fans. I think anyone who thinks he sat out of the Super Bowl last year because he doesn't care is a complete moron.

I also find it hilarious that everyone of those punks who responded to Pouncey are cowards who wouldn't have the balls to question his manhood to his face.

You do realize he was held out by the medical staff and coaches. He played on a bum leg the entire game the week before. Do you think he played the browns and just suddenly decided he rather be on the sidelines for the playoffs. Absurd.

Ghost, I have never once implied that. I just expect NFL players, who make the money they make, play hurt. Injured is a different story. Flu like symptoms and soreness in an ankle for what is at stake I think should be sucked up. Especially when the teams QB is putting his neck on the line while being hurt.

Dee Dub
01-10-2012, 03:53 PM
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You do realize he was held out by the medical staff and coaches. He played on a bum leg the entire game the week before. Do you think he played the browns and just suddenly decided he rather be on the sidelines for the playoffs. Absurd.

He was held out by them because of what he told them. What do you think Ben says every time he is hurt? "I'm fine" is my guess. Then you see Troy Polamalu standing on the sideline with his helmet on trying to get back in a game after a concussion. Now I am not saying I want guys with concussions back in a game but do you see the difference in mentality?

JAR
01-10-2012, 03:56 PM
Like I said, no matter what, it's still just a person expressing himself. Saying rude things offends some people and being an over zealous Christian offends others.

Oh and for those saying Pouncey is a wuss, there is a chance he needs surgery on his ankle.

Slapstick
01-10-2012, 03:58 PM
Ghost, I have never once implied that. I just expect NFL players, who make the money they make, play hurt. Injured is a different story. Flu like symptoms and soreness in an ankle for what is at stake I think should be sucked up. Especially when the teams QB is putting his neck on the line while being hurt.

Even after you found out the severity of his illness, you still called him out. You simply have anti-Pouncey agenda.

Ghost
01-10-2012, 04:00 PM
So b/c he tweeted about a rapper after the game, he was faking his injury? Because that's what was implied by some of these fans. I think anyone who thinks he sat out of the Super Bowl last year because he doesn't care is a complete moron.

I also find it hilarious that everyone of those punks who responded to Pouncey are cowards who wouldn't have the balls to question his manhood to his face.

You do realize he was held out by the medical staff and coaches. He played on a bum leg the entire game the week before. Do you think he played the browns and just suddenly decided he rather be on the sidelines for the playoffs. Absurd.

Ghost, I have never once implied that. I just expect NFL players, who make the money they make, play hurt. Injured is a different story. Flu like symptoms and soreness in an ankle for what is at stake I think should be sucked up. Especially when the teams QB is putting his neck on the line while being hurt.

Irony...it's what's for dinner. You're implying it right now with this post.

It wasn't flu like symptoms. You continue to phrase it this way because it makes your made up story better even though the Pittsburgh doctors and his own teammates have publically stated differently.

Same with the ankle. He mentioned it being sore (I'm guessing it was since its a serious injury) and you've turned it into he should have sucked up a very minor twinge, which isn't at all what it was.

Do you really believe the Pittsburgh Steelers as a collective group didn't make the decision on who was best suited to block 300 lb men for 60 minutes in Denver? Really?

grotonsteel
01-10-2012, 04:02 PM
So, Pouncey can't say whats on his mind, but Tebow can shove his Tebowing down the throats of football fans without a problem?

You dont see the difference in what Tebow says and what Pouncey said? The goodness that comes out of Tebow's mouth about love, forgiveness, and his thanksgivings for the source of his strength as opposed to the bitter, ugliness that came out of Pouncey's mouth?

Ok

It doesn't matter, he's still expressing himself and a lot of people find it offensive.

Did you read Pouncey's twitter posts? He isn't just "expressing himself." Instead, immediately following a loss, before he even makes it to the plane, he's promoting a rapper using terms that are objectively offensive.

If you choose to be subjectively offended by what Tebow says, fine. But there is simply no comparison. Furthermore, you cannot question Tebow's dedication to his team and his will to win -- unfortunately, now, you can't really same the same about Pouncey.


I guess success has went to Pouncey's head.

Where is the humble guy everyone talked about? Really i am disappointed in Pouncey. Hopefully Steelers FO talk some sense to this kid.

Dee Dub
01-10-2012, 04:03 PM
...........Oh and for those saying Pouncey is a wuss, there is a chance he needs surgery on his ankle.

Maybe...but that option has played out a thousands times over the years for many players in the NFL. Many of the old school players would not have hesitated to play in a playoff game regardless of the possibility of surgery in the off season. In fact they use to say that is what the off season is for. Healing, repairs, surgery. Some like Jack Youngblood played in a super bowl game with a broken leg. Then he chose to play in a voluntary game (pro bowl), after that before he chose to get surgery. He played for the love of the game and for moments that may never come back around.

Dee Dub
01-10-2012, 04:05 PM
Ghost, I have never once implied that. I just expect NFL players, who make the money they make, play hurt. Injured is a different story. Flu like symptoms and soreness in an ankle for what is at stake I think should be sucked up. Especially when the teams QB is putting his neck on the line while being hurt.

Even after you found out the severity of his illness, you still called him out. You simply have anti-Pouncey agenda.

No not at all. I love him as a football player. He's probably the best center in the league.

Dee Dub
01-10-2012, 04:14 PM
So b/c he tweeted about a rapper after the game, he was faking his injury? Because that's what was implied by some of these fans. I think anyone who thinks he sat out of the Super Bowl last year because he doesn't care is a complete moron.

I also find it hilarious that everyone of those punks who responded to Pouncey are cowards who wouldn't have the balls to question his manhood to his face.

You do realize he was held out by the medical staff and coaches. He played on a bum leg the entire game the week before. Do you think he played the browns and just suddenly decided he rather be on the sidelines for the playoffs. Absurd.

Ghost, I have never once implied that. I just expect NFL players, who make the money they make, play hurt. Injured is a different story. Flu like symptoms and soreness in an ankle for what is at stake I think should be sucked up. Especially when the teams QB is putting his neck on the line while being hurt.

Irony...it's what's for dinner. You're implying it right now with this post.

It wasn't flu like symptoms. You continue to phrase it this way because it makes your made up story better even though the Pittsburgh doctors and his own teammates have publically stated differently.

Same with the ankle. He mentioned it being sore (I'm guessing it was since its a serious injury) and you've turned it into he should have sucked up a very minor twinge, which isn't at all what it was.

Do you really believe the Pittsburgh Steelers as a collective group didn't make the decision on who was best suited to block 300 lb men for 60 minutes in Denver? Really?

Ok Ghost if this is what you think. I am not going to argue this with you or get in a heated battle over something I know to be different.

Let me just say this...sometimes teams and teammates say things to protect players/teammates.

I'll say it again, I hope I am wrong but I dont think this is the last issue we have with Pouncey.

hawaiiansteel
01-10-2012, 04:20 PM
I say cut Pouncey and bring back Sean Mahan...

http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/image.php?productid=30611

Slapstick
01-10-2012, 04:24 PM
I'll say it again, I hope I am wrong but I dont think this is the last issue we have with Pouncey.

If by "issue" you are referring to his Twitter account, you are probably right. The problem is in characterizing whatever this is as an "issue".

It's a non-issue.

Ghost
01-10-2012, 04:33 PM
Played 11 -13 freshman year. Played all 14 his sophomore AND junior years (All American, Rimington trophey) for 39 -41 games played.

Prior to the 2010 ('09) Sugar Bowl he spent 5 hours in the hospital for kidney stones and still suited up for the Gators that day and was dominating. His toughness was listed as a positive on most NFL scouting reports.

To say he sat for a stomach ache is insanity.

Lebsteel
01-10-2012, 04:34 PM
Twitter is useless and stupid.

If something a professional athlete has to say in 140 characters or less bothers you in some way, that is more of a reflection on you than it is on them.

That's like getting riled up about an ignorant message board post.

And, no, I don't see the difference Tebow and Pouncey. Both players have every right to express themselves...
Uhh...how about one expression is made in a socially, morally and ethically acceptable manner and the other expression can hardly be argued as being either socially, morally or ethically acceptable. Pouncey has the "right" to express himself, but by doing so, he demonstrated very poor character. I am VERY disappointed in Pouncey. I hope he realizes the mistake he made and sincerely apologizes.

Slapstick
01-10-2012, 04:43 PM
Uhh...how about one expression is made in a socially, morally and ethically acceptable manner and the other expression can hardly be argued as being either socially, morally or ethically acceptable. Pouncey has the "right" to express himself, but by doing so, he demonstrated very poor character. I am VERY disappointed in Pouncey. I hope he realizes the mistake he made and sincerely apologizes.

Completely subjective. What is acceptable for you may not be acceptable for other people.

IMO, what Pouncey said is stupid. Now, I am a high school teacher, so I have a high tolerance for hearing people say stupid things. I also don't hold it against people when they say (or tweet) stupid things because I believe that it is a natural tendency for most people to occasionally say stupid things.

Just because someone says something stupid, it doesn't make them a bad person or reflect poorly on their character or work ethic. It just makes them human.

ikestops85
01-10-2012, 04:47 PM
I think Pouncey is the least of our problems. He was probably in a p!ssy mood because of the game and he needed to blow off some steam. I don't think it's a big deal.

The guy is a professional athlete and I'm sure he was frustrated just like Ryan Clark was about not playing. Granted he probably shouldn't have tweeted those things but he's young and foolish like a lot of young people. Now if he starts tweeting that he'd like to kill certain fans or he likes to "wake and bake" then we might have a problem.

snarky
01-10-2012, 05:33 PM
Stupid tweet.

About as stupid as claiming he took himself out of a game for a tummy ache, IMO.

fezziwig
01-10-2012, 05:42 PM
I say cut Pouncey and bring back Sean Mahan...

http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/image.php?productid=30611



Ha ! Only you dude !

Chadman
01-10-2012, 05:55 PM
Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

Lebsteel
01-10-2012, 06:08 PM
Uhh...how about one expression is made in a socially, morally and ethically acceptable manner and the other expression can hardly be argued as being either socially, morally or ethically acceptable. Pouncey has the "right" to express himself, but by doing so, he demonstrated very poor character. I am VERY disappointed in Pouncey. I hope he realizes the mistake he made and sincerely apologizes.

Completely subjective. What is acceptable for you may not be acceptable for other people.

IMO, what Pouncey said is stupid. Now, I am a high school teacher, so I have a high tolerance for hearing people say stupid things. I also don't hold it against people when they say (or tweet) stupid things because I believe that it is a natural tendency for most people to occasionally say stupid things.

Just because someone says something stupid, it doesn't make them a bad person or reflect poorly on their character or work ethic. It just makes them human.

OK, liberal vs. conservative thought patterns, I guess. I agree we ALL say stupid things and demonstrate poor character choices at times. That doesn't necessarily mean we are stupid and have bad character. I don't know Pouncey so, I obviously can't say he is stupid or has bad character. But, what I can say is that he "tweeted" stupid words and showed bad character by doing so. Overall he may have very good character and normally demonstrate that, but not this time. IMO he made a mistake. We all do. You begin to overcome the mistakes only when you recognize that you made a mistake.

Lebsteel
01-10-2012, 06:30 PM
Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?
How has Tebow forced his opinion on anyone? People are free to criticize him for his faith, but Tebow has not "forced" his opinion on anyone. The MEDIA is the driving force behind that feeling. Likewise, Pouncey did not "force" his opinion on anyone, they were directed at his "followers" but they were still socially, ethically and morally inapproriate, i.e. not normally acceptable social behavior.

I wouldn't fault Pouncey if he was espousing his belief system on his Twitter account or if ESPN published an article on his faith practices. Pouncey has the right to say anything he wants to say, but he also opens himself to severe criticism for tweeting what he did, much like Mendenhall did last year. I am certainly not arguing his freedom of speech, but his choice of words and mocking of his "followers" was not a smart decision, IMO. He may overall be a great guy, but he didn't show it with those tweets.

hellbanger
01-10-2012, 07:05 PM
Well Marcus Gilbert must not be that popular. He tweeted the same thing on my timeline only a few minutes after Pouncey. To me, through his tweets, he seems immature. To just :stirpot a little, He must follow every porn actress out there.

birtikidis
01-10-2012, 07:40 PM
Maybe ben should follow his lead and take himself out of games instead of playing TERRIBLE and hurting his team. You think that Pouncey knew that with a bum ankle he was at a severe disadvantage blocking 300 pound defensive tackles opposed to Ben throwing a ball 1/200th the weight of a DT?

birtikidis
01-10-2012, 07:42 PM
What exactly did Pouncey say that got all your panties in a collective bunch?

steelz09
01-10-2012, 09:41 PM
Just really poor timing on Pouncey's part.

pittpete
01-10-2012, 09:55 PM
Not defending his tweets, but we are talking about 22 year olds here.
22 year old millionaires.
How many 22 year old millionaires do you know or even converse with in your lifetime.
Stop reaching fellas.
We lost because the Broncos wanted it more.

JAR
01-10-2012, 10:01 PM
Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

:Agree Tebowism is being shoved in our face everywhere, it's almost unavoidable. Even today, the mayor of Pittsburgh had to Tebow as part of his lost bet with the Denver mayor...give me a freaking break.

Chadman
01-10-2012, 10:15 PM
Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?
How has Tebow forced his opinion on anyone? People are free to criticize him for his faith, but Tebow has not "forced" his opinion on anyone. The MEDIA is the driving force behind that feeling. Likewise, Pouncey did not "force" his opinion on anyone, they were directed at his "followers" but they were still socially, ethically and morally inapproriate, i.e. not normally acceptable social behavior.

I wouldn't fault Pouncey if he was espousing his belief system on his Twitter account or if ESPN published an article on his faith practices. Pouncey has the right to say anything he wants to say, but he also opens himself to severe criticism for tweeting what he did, much like Mendenhall did last year. I am certainly not arguing his freedom of speech, but his choice of words and mocking of his "followers" was not a smart decision, IMO. He may overall be a great guy, but he didn't show it with those tweets.

Not trying to pick a fight with you Leb, but Tebow knows he's on national/international television. The world is watching. When he goes down on one knee, the world is watching.

Some people will find this wonderful..


But other religious people, followers of differing religions, and even some Christians may find the idea of 'praying' during a football game apalling. Some will say he's asking for greater guidance, or whatever...but do you really think the world doesn't just believe he's saying "please let me win..."

He might not be 'evangelising', but he sure as Hell...well, you know..knows that he's being watched.

Subliminal 'forcing' perhaps?

Chadman agrees with one point though- it is certainly media driven. If they stopped showing it, Chadman wonders if he'd still do it though?

Lebsteel
01-11-2012, 12:04 AM
Chadman...no worries. Good questions but I dont think he started kneeling down in prayer because the cameras were rollling. At least I would hope that isnt what is driving him. If he is praying for God to let him win then IMO that is wrong. I dont think God cares about who wins or loses but rather how we conduct ourselves i.e. our character.

Ok....now the serious question. When will we see your first mock draft?

Chadman
01-11-2012, 12:21 AM
Chadman...no worries. Good questions but I dont think he started kneeling down in prayer because the cameras were rollling. At least I would hope that isnt what is driving him. If he is praying for God to let him win then IMO that is wrong. I dont think God cares about who wins or loses but rather how we conduct ourselves i.e. our character.

Ok....now the serious question. When will we see your first mock draft?

Mock will be coming...but Chadman thinks he might revise the Steeler Draft Synopsis type thread from a couple of years ago first...to see if we can find patterns to follow in the lead-up to draft day...

bostonsteeler
01-11-2012, 02:40 AM
Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?


+1 a few times over.

Pouncey's barely a kid and like all immature young kids will say the odd stupid thing. But he said it in *his* house, so to speak.

On the other hand Tebow is intensely annoying. His constant Christian pratter in what are otherwise inappropriate venues really bothers me, and Im not an atheist.

phillyesq
01-11-2012, 08:42 AM
Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

:Agree Tebowism is being shoved in our face everywhere, it's almost unavoidable. Even today, the mayor of Pittsburgh had to Tebow as part of his lost bet with the Denver mayor...give me a freaking break.

Can one of you enlighten me as to the great message that Pouncey was trying to convey? Read what he wrote, and please, tell me how his asinine comments had anything to do with expressing any viewpoint or belief? And please, explain to me how it is at all analagous to anything that Tim Tebow says or does.

Before boarding the plane to come home, he showed that he was so upset by this loss that he needed to promote some rapper. He got called out on it, and responded to his fans that he's superior to them because he's young and rich and has more twitter followers.

Pouncey is young and dumb, no question, and I suppose he gets a bit of a pass based on the youthful part of the equation. The unfortunate part of twitter is that you see atheletes expressing who they really are, and he seems to be a selfish turd who cares about nothing more than his bank account.

Slapstick
01-11-2012, 09:35 AM
The unfortunate part of twitter is that you see atheletes expressing who they really are, and he seems to be a selfish turd who cares about nothing more than his bank account.

Don't make the mistake of assuming that Twitter is somehow a true indication of someone's character. It's a snapshot of 140 characters or less at a single moment in time.

I don't hate Tebow. He seems to walk the walk, so to speak, in addition to talking the talk. But, I can see why people would be annoyed by him just like they would Pouncey. Both came off as sanctimonious and, pardon the expression, holier-than-thou.

Chadman
01-11-2012, 09:44 AM
Can one of you enlighten me as to the great message that Pouncey was trying to convey? Read what he wrote, and please, tell me how his asinine comments had anything to do with expressing any viewpoint or belief? And please, explain to me how it is at all analagous to anything that Tim Tebow says or does.

Hey Philly,

The point is, it doesn't matter if Pouncey's twitters/tweets...whatever they are...are profound & full of great inspiration & wisdom. It's his account. You need to actively chase his account to see what he has to say. It's not rammed down your throat, so to speak. If he wants to spend his post-game moments promoting a rapper- that's his choice. Should he have? Obviously, in most opinions, probably not- but it's HIS Twitter account to do with as he wishes. If you don't like what he has to say...you can simply not follow it.

The Tebow comparison comes in because unlike Pouncey, we DON'T get an opportunity to stop following it. If you are an NFL fan, and you watch any game involving Denver, you will be subjected to images of Tebow doing his 'thing'. It's a national..international...stage that involves more than Tim Tebow. Fans of the Denver Broncos have a choice- they can watch Tebow's actions if they like it or not...or stop watching the Broncos.

Pouncey's tweets do not effect the greater NFL watching community.

Chadman may not have explained this as clearly as he wished...but it's late, and Chadman's right...so just go with it, ok?

:tt2

phillyesq
01-11-2012, 09:50 AM
Chadman may not have explained this as clearly as he wished...but it's late, and Chadman's right...so just go with it, ok?

:tt2

Well, over here, it's early, and I'm a bit cranky, but we can agree to disagree. :tt2

feltdizz
01-11-2012, 10:16 AM
Stupid tweet.

About as stupid as claiming he took himself out of a game for a tummy ache, IMO.

:Agree

Stupid tweet but it doesn't reflect his work ethic or his dedication or prep for games.

Sometimes people forget this is a game and it's their job. It's not their life. Referencing old school players toughness is stupid IMO. Most of the old players regret playing through injuries or they are suing the NFL because of their health.

feltdizz
01-11-2012, 10:26 AM
Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

:Agree Tebowism is being shoved in our face everywhere, it's almost unavoidable. Even today, the mayor of Pittsburgh had to Tebow as part of his lost bet with the Denver mayor...give me a freaking break.

Can one of you enlighten me as to the great message that Pouncey was trying to convey? Read what he wrote, and please, tell me how his asinine comments had anything to do with expressing any viewpoint or belief? And please, explain to me how it is at all analagous to anything that Tim Tebow says or does.

Before boarding the plane to come home, he showed that he was so upset by this loss that he needed to promote some rapper. He got called out on it, and responded to his fans that he's superior to them because he's young and rich and has more twitter followers.

Pouncey is young and dumb, no question, and I suppose he gets a bit of a pass based on the youthful part of the equation. The unfortunate part of twitter is that you see atheletes expressing who they really are, and he seems to be a selfish turd who cares about nothing more than his bank account.

Not sure how tweeting about a rapper shows he doesn't care about the game. Sure he is frustrated but he didn't play and usually when a person doesn't suit up they have to let go of the emotions they would have if they were playing or they would go crazy on the sideline.

It was stupid from a PR angle but in the scheme of things it's not that serious. I think fans are upset and will do anything they can to express their frustration.

If Pouncey said he was frustrated by the loss and left it at that someone would still question why he wasn't playing.

feltdizz
01-11-2012, 10:35 AM
Not trying to pick a fight with you Leb, but Tebow knows he's on national/international television. The world is watching. When he goes down on one knee, the world is watching.

Some people will find this wonderful..


But other religious people, followers of differing religions, and even some Christians may find the idea of 'praying' during a football game apalling. Some will say he's asking for greater guidance, or whatever...but do you really think the world doesn't just believe he's saying "please let me win..."

He might not be 'evangelising', but he sure as Hell...well, you know..knows that he's being watched.

Subliminal 'forcing' perhaps?

Chadman agrees with one point though- it is certainly media driven. If they stopped showing it, Chadman wonders if he'd still do it though?

:Clap :Clap :Clap

I'll never forget Reggie White going to the team that offered him the most money because "God" wanted him to go there....

As soon as his career was over Reggie White seemed to wake up from his Christianity and his faith went in a whole new direction.

I'm not saying Tebow will switch up but he knows what he is doing and he is making money off of it. Nothing wrong with it but plenty of NFL players love God and the fans who love Tebow and what he stands for seem to forget that.

For some reason Tebow is portrayed like he loves God more then we do, prays harder than the rest of us and brings more to the table then other athletes because of it.

I've seen Tebow Gator clap opponents and fans. I've seen him do what over players do after plays.. scream, cheer fist pump. However when he does it there is a Jesus angle that other players can't get to... when they fist pump or get the crowd going it's showboating or selfishness. When Tebow does it it's inspiration.

I don't mind Tebow as a football player but the way some people talk about him he is taking on a religious cult like figure. It's a little odd and scary if you ask me.

JAR
01-11-2012, 11:31 AM
Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

:Agree Tebowism is being shoved in our face everywhere, it's almost unavoidable. Even today, the mayor of Pittsburgh had to Tebow as part of his lost bet with the Denver mayor...give me a freaking break.

Can one of you enlighten me as to the great message that Pouncey was trying to convey? Read what he wrote, and please, tell me how his asinine comments had anything to do with expressing any viewpoint or belief? And please, explain to me how it is at all analagous to anything that Tim Tebow says or does.

Before boarding the plane to come home, he showed that he was so upset by this loss that he needed to promote some rapper. He got called out on it, and responded to his fans that he's superior to them because he's young and rich and has more twitter followers.

Pouncey is young and dumb, no question, and I suppose he gets a bit of a pass based on the youthful part of the equation. The unfortunate part of twitter is that you see atheletes expressing who they really are, and he seems to be a selfish turd who cares about nothing more than his bank account.

How does Pouncey promoting a band on his pretty much private Twitter account make him less of a team player than Tebow constantly promoting God or Jesus on a national stage?

It seems Tebow is more concerned about pleasing Jesus than he is his team.

steelz09
01-11-2012, 11:54 AM
Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

I'm not necessarily a Tebow fan but he hasn't brought on this media madness. The media did.

If Tebow wants to pray, let him pray. If you are not a christian... then look away if it bothers you and just aknowledge that people have different beliefs regardless.

Let's take the Steelers blinders off please! Polamalu prays (does the sign of the cross) after every play. When the cameras go to Polamalu which is quite often, him doing the sign of the cross is shown on TV a lot. Does that mean Polamalu should stop doing it? No, he shouldn't. Same goes for Tebow. It's the exact same thing.

SteelBucks
01-11-2012, 12:11 PM
Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

I'm not necessarily a Tebow fan but he hasn't brought on this media madness. The media did.

If Tebow wants to pray, let him pray. If you are not a christian... then look away if it bothers you and just aknowledge that people have different beliefs regardless.

Let's take the Steelers blinders off please! Polamalu prays (does the sign of the cross) after every play. When the cameras go to Polamalu which is quite often, him doing the sign of the cross is shown on TV a lot. Does that mean Polamalu should stop doing it? No, he shouldn't. Same goes for Tebow. It's the exact same thing.

:Agree Very well said!!

JAR
01-11-2012, 12:40 PM
Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

I'm not necessarily a Tebow fan but he hasn't brought on this media madness. The media did.

If Tebow wants to pray, let him pray. If you are not a christian... then look away if it bothers you and just aknowledge that people have different beliefs regardless.

Let's take the Steelers blinders off please! Polamalu prays (does the sign of the cross) after every play. When the cameras go to Polamalu which is quite often, him doing the sign of the cross is shown on TV a lot. Does that mean Polamalu should stop doing it? No, he shouldn't. Same goes for Tebow. It's the exact same thing.

But Troy's signing of the cross didn't make him famous, the way he plays football did. Troy also doesn't blab about God every time there is a microphone in his face. There is only one reason Tebow has the hype he does and it isn't because he is the second coming of Peyton Manning.

phillyesq
01-11-2012, 12:44 PM
How does Pouncey promoting a band on his pretty much private Twitter account make him less of a team player than Tebow constantly promoting God or Jesus on a national stage?

It seems Tebow is more concerned about pleasing Jesus than he is his team.

Tebow takes a minute to take a knee or he'll mention a sentence giving thanks. Then he discusses whatever he's asked about. As pointed out, Troy (and many players) will do the sign of the cross after a play, a quick point upward, or something similar.

Pouncey, immediately after the game, decides that the first thing he wants to do is promote a rapper. No statement of wishing he was out there, being frustrated, we'll get 'em next year, none of that. It gives the impression that he doesn't care.

Furthermore, you're completely incorrect in suggesting that twitter is private. It is public. I don't follow Pouncey, but I could see his tweets. And these guys are followed by the media.

I can't determine why you want to defend Pouncey acting like an immature punk or how Tim Tebow is at all relevant to the discussion.

phillyesq
01-11-2012, 12:48 PM
But Troy's signing of the cross didn't make him famous, the way he plays football did. Troy also doesn't blab about God every time there is a microphone in his face. There is only one reason Tebow has the hype he does and it isn't because he is the second coming of Peyton Manning.

His college popularity had nothing to do with his hype?

steelz09
01-11-2012, 01:16 PM
Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

I'm not necessarily a Tebow fan but he hasn't brought on this media madness. The media did.

If Tebow wants to pray, let him pray. If you are not a christian... then look away if it bothers you and just aknowledge that people have different beliefs regardless.

Let's take the Steelers blinders off please! Polamalu prays (does the sign of the cross) after every play. When the cameras go to Polamalu which is quite often, him doing the sign of the cross is shown on TV a lot. Does that mean Polamalu should stop doing it? No, he shouldn't. Same goes for Tebow. It's the exact same thing.

But Troy's signing of the cross didn't make him famous, the way he plays football did. Troy also doesn't blab about God every time there is a microphone in his face. There is only one reason Tebow has the hype he does and it isn't because he is the second coming of Peyton Manning.

huh? please. I guess Tebow's popuarity has nothing to do with the fact that he's one of the most successful QB's in college football history. 2 national championships and a Heisman.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
01-11-2012, 01:16 PM
The point is, it doesn't matter if Pouncey's twitters/tweets...whatever they are...are profound & full of great inspiration & wisdom. It's his account. You need to actively chase his account to see what he has to say.

That's a weak argument. It is like saying that he took out a billboard but you still had to drive by it or if he speaks on the radio that you are the one who decided to tune in.

Twitter is a social medium. Any member of the public can decide to follow. The reason why somebody would follow Maurkice Pouncey is because he is a Pittsburgh Steeler, which he points out during his responses.

It is up to him to represent himself in a certain way. There is a certain standard which should be expected despite his age. That would be like saying that a 22 year old who commits a crime should not be convicted because you can't expect more from a kid that age. Old enough to sign a football contract, old enough to tweet, old enough to accept the fall out from his actions.

JAR
01-11-2012, 01:22 PM
Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

I'm not necessarily a Tebow fan but he hasn't brought on this media madness. The media did.

If Tebow wants to pray, let him pray. If you are not a christian... then look away if it bothers you and just aknowledge that people have different beliefs regardless.

Let's take the Steelers blinders off please! Polamalu prays (does the sign of the cross) after every play. When the cameras go to Polamalu which is quite often, him doing the sign of the cross is shown on TV a lot. Does that mean Polamalu should stop doing it? No, he shouldn't. Same goes for Tebow. It's the exact same thing.

But Troy's signing of the cross didn't make him famous, the way he plays football did. Troy also doesn't blab about God every time there is a microphone in his face. There is only one reason Tebow has the hype he does and it isn't because he is the second coming of Peyton Manning.

huh? please. I guess Tebow's popuarity has nothing to do with the fact that he's one of the most successful QB's in college football history. 2 national championships and a Heisman.

Where was his hype when he was on the bench behind Orton? His hype didn't start until after he became the starter and started Tebowing his way to be a media sensation, it sure isn't because he can play QB.

JAR
01-11-2012, 01:24 PM
It is up to him to represent himself in a certain way.

And what's that...being an over zealous Christian and using the NFL to promote his agenda? That's just as offensive to some as what Pouncey did.

steelz09
01-11-2012, 01:30 PM
Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

I'm not necessarily a Tebow fan but he hasn't brought on this media madness. The media did.

If Tebow wants to pray, let him pray. If you are not a christian... then look away if it bothers you and just aknowledge that people have different beliefs regardless.

Let's take the Steelers blinders off please! Polamalu prays (does the sign of the cross) after every play. When the cameras go to Polamalu which is quite often, him doing the sign of the cross is shown on TV a lot. Does that mean Polamalu should stop doing it? No, he shouldn't. Same goes for Tebow. It's the exact same thing.

But Troy's signing of the cross didn't make him famous, the way he plays football did. Troy also doesn't blab about God every time there is a microphone in his face. There is only one reason Tebow has the hype he does and it isn't because he is the second coming of Peyton Manning.

huh? please. I guess Tebow's popuarity has nothing to do with the fact that he's one of the most successful QB's in college football history. 2 national championships and a Heisman.

Where was his hype when he was on the bench behind Orton? His hype didn't start until after he became the starter and started Tebowing his way to be a media sensation, it sure isn't because he can play QB.

Tebow didn't have hype??? hahaha. His hype was when he was a Florida Gator. His hype was pre-draft when people didn't know who and when he would get drafted. His hype was during the draft when they showed him non-stop. His hype was after the draft when people said he couldn't play in the NFL. His hype was in training camp when the media analyzed his every move and depth chart position. His hype was during the season when the fans were basically pleeding for him to start. When he started, the hype was even moreso. I hate the non-stop media coverage but I don't put all that on Tebow. When he's bad, the media says he sucks and can't play in NFL. When he wins, they slobber all over him. It is what it is. I don't like it but to say he got his media attention from praying and "thanking god" is one of the most moronic things i've ever heard.

phillyesq
01-11-2012, 01:35 PM
Tebow didn't have hype??? hahaha. His hype was when he was a Florida Gator. His hype was pre-draft when people didn't know who and when he would get drafted. His hype was during the draft when they showed him non-stop. His hype was after the draft when people said he couldn't play in the NFL. His hype was in training camp when the media analyzed his every move and depth chart position. His hype was during the season when the fans were basically pleeding for him to start. When he started, the hype was even moreso. I hate the non-stop media coverage but I don't put all that on Tebow. When he's bad, the media says he sucks and can't play in NFL. When he wins, they slobber all over him. It is what it is. I don't like it but to say he got his media attention from praying and "thanking god" is one of the most moronic things i've ever heard.

:Agree

JAR
01-11-2012, 01:38 PM
Tebow didn't have hype??? hahaha. His hype was when he was a Florida Gator. His hype was pre-draft when people didn't know who and when he would get drafted. His hype was during the draft when they showed him non-stop. His hype was after the draft when people said he couldn't play in the NFL. His hype was in training camp when the media analyzed his every move and depth chart position. His hype was during the season when the fans were basically pleeding for him to start. When he started, the hype was even moreso. I hate the non-stop media coverage but I don't put all that on Tebow. When he's bad, the media says he sucks and can't play in NFL. When he wins, they slobber all over him. It is what it is. I don't like it but to say he got his media attention from praying and "thanking god" is one of the most moronic things i've ever heard.

So, do you think that Cam Newton, who can actually play football gets even half of the hype as Tebow?

phillyesq
01-11-2012, 01:40 PM
It is up to him to represent himself in a certain way.

And what's that...being an over zealous Christian and using the NFL to promote his agenda? That's just as offensive to some as what Pouncey did.

Since you clearly have an anti-Christian agenda, then yes, you and secularists who look to be offended by mention of religion will be offended by those who mention it.

You don't get it. The issue with Pouncy isn't that he was dropping f-bombs and variations of the "n" word. The issue is that he acted in such a way that it appeared that he didn't care at all about the outcome of the game. And then, when called on it by a few of his fans, instead of saying of course he was upset about the loss, he decided, instead, to point out to his fans that he's richer and more popular than they are.

He's a very good center, but it sucks to have to root for somebody like that to succeed.

phillyesq
01-11-2012, 01:40 PM
Tebow didn't have hype??? hahaha. His hype was when he was a Florida Gator. His hype was pre-draft when people didn't know who and when he would get drafted. His hype was during the draft when they showed him non-stop. His hype was after the draft when people said he couldn't play in the NFL. His hype was in training camp when the media analyzed his every move and depth chart position. His hype was during the season when the fans were basically pleeding for him to start. When he started, the hype was even moreso. I hate the non-stop media coverage but I don't put all that on Tebow. When he's bad, the media says he sucks and can't play in NFL. When he wins, they slobber all over him. It is what it is. I don't like it but to say he got his media attention from praying and "thanking god" is one of the most moronic things i've ever heard.

So, do you think that Cam Newton, who can actually play football gets even half of the hype as Tebow?

Is his team in the playoffs?

phillyesq
01-11-2012, 01:41 PM
The point is, it doesn't matter if Pouncey's twitters/tweets...whatever they are...are profound & full of great inspiration & wisdom. It's his account. You need to actively chase his account to see what he has to say.

That's a weak argument. It is like saying that he took out a billboard but you still had to drive by it or if he speaks on the radio that you are the one who decided to tune in.

Twitter is a social medium. Any member of the public can decide to follow. The reason why somebody would follow Maurkice Pouncey is because he is a Pittsburgh Steeler, which he points out during his responses.

It is up to him to represent himself in a certain way. There is a certain standard which should be expected despite his age. That would be like saying that a 22 year old who commits a crime should not be convicted because you can't expect more from a kid that age. Old enough to sign a football contract, old enough to tweet, old enough to accept the fall out from his actions.

Well said.

JTP53609
01-11-2012, 01:43 PM
MY GOSH!!!!!!!!!!!

how can you compare what pouncey said to what tebow does.

I am semi religious, I pray every night and I go to church, so obviously Tebow does not bother me, but when people are saying he is shoving it down peoples throats, I would say you are wrong, big deal he gets on his knees and says a quick prayer, I have seen that done a million times over my life.

He is offending the same people who are up in arms when you say Merry Christmas to them, he is offending the same people who want to take "GOD" out of the pledge. Those people who are easily offended need to get a life.

You know what makes me sick? Is hearing the "F" word in rap music, seeing horrible behavior out of people like Pacman jones and other athletes who get chance after chance but still screw it up. Those are the people that make me angry, not some guy that is religious and lives life with morals.....

Pouncey and his "I am better than you" attitude is not wrong, or illegal but it stinks. Twitter is stupid, that is why I do not know much about it or even tried to care. If you do not like tebow do not watch sports shows, I hate the NBA, so that means I do not watch espn, because that is all they care about.

Hate the idiots in the league that act like jerks and have been arrested numerous times, not someone who goes on mission trips

flippy
01-11-2012, 01:46 PM
Tebow didn't have hype??? hahaha. His hype was when he was a Florida Gator. His hype was pre-draft when people didn't know who and when he would get drafted. His hype was during the draft when they showed him non-stop. His hype was after the draft when people said he couldn't play in the NFL. His hype was in training camp when the media analyzed his every move and depth chart position. His hype was during the season when the fans were basically pleeding for him to start. When he started, the hype was even moreso. I hate the non-stop media coverage but I don't put all that on Tebow. When he's bad, the media says he sucks and can't play in NFL. When he wins, they slobber all over him. It is what it is. I don't like it but to say he got his media attention from praying and "thanking god" is one of the most moronic things i've ever heard.

So, do you think that Cam Newton, who can actually play football gets even half of the hype as Tebow?

If Cam Newton was playing this weekend, we'd be talking about him.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
01-11-2012, 01:46 PM
It is up to him to represent himself in a certain way.

And what's that...being an over zealous Christian and using the NFL to promote his agenda? That's just as offensive to some as what Pouncey did.

I am far from religious, and even mentioned in another thread that I'd rather Denver not win the SB because the Tebowmania would be out of hand.

That being said, there is no way that you can describe Tebow even close to being to the same level of "offensive". Tebow is annoying, calling your fans losers is offensive.

JAR
01-11-2012, 01:48 PM
Tebow didn't have hype??? hahaha. His hype was when he was a Florida Gator. His hype was pre-draft when people didn't know who and when he would get drafted. His hype was during the draft when they showed him non-stop. His hype was after the draft when people said he couldn't play in the NFL. His hype was in training camp when the media analyzed his every move and depth chart position. His hype was during the season when the fans were basically pleeding for him to start. When he started, the hype was even moreso. I hate the non-stop media coverage but I don't put all that on Tebow. When he's bad, the media says he sucks and can't play in NFL. When he wins, they slobber all over him. It is what it is. I don't like it but to say he got his media attention from praying and "thanking god" is one of the most moronic things i've ever heard.

So, do you think that Cam Newton, who can actually play football gets even half of the hype as Tebow?

If Cam Newton was playing this weekend, we'd be talking about him.

Yes, but he sure wouldn't be getting the hype or attention that Tebow is getting, he sure didn't get it during the season and there is only one reason. I, rest my case.

JAR
01-11-2012, 01:50 PM
It is up to him to represent himself in a certain way.

And what's that...being an over zealous Christian and using the NFL to promote his agenda? That's just as offensive to some as what Pouncey did.

I am far from religious, and even mentioned in another thread that I'd rather Denver not win the SB because the Tebowmania would be out of hand.

That being said, there is no way that you can describe Tebow even close to being to the same level of "offensive". Tebow is annoying, calling your fans losers is offensive.

and, that is your opinion. I find Tebow offensive.

Slapstick
01-11-2012, 01:53 PM
Pouncey must accept the judgments of other people...

As must Tebow. That Saturday Night Live skit was hilarious...

Tebow handled it well. Some of the self-righteous christian pundits did not.

flippy
01-11-2012, 01:53 PM
Yes, but he sure wouldn't be getting the hype or attention that Tebow is getting, he sure didn't get it during the season and there is only one reason. I, rest my case.

And the reason was he didn't win.

steelz09
01-11-2012, 01:54 PM
Tebow didn't have hype??? hahaha. His hype was when he was a Florida Gator. His hype was pre-draft when people didn't know who and when he would get drafted. His hype was during the draft when they showed him non-stop. His hype was after the draft when people said he couldn't play in the NFL. His hype was in training camp when the media analyzed his every move and depth chart position. His hype was during the season when the fans were basically pleeding for him to start. When he started, the hype was even moreso. I hate the non-stop media coverage but I don't put all that on Tebow. When he's bad, the media says he sucks and can't play in NFL. When he wins, they slobber all over him. It is what it is. I don't like it but to say he got his media attention from praying and "thanking god" is one of the most moronic things i've ever heard.

So, do you think that Cam Newton, who can actually play football gets even half of the hype as Tebow?

If Cam Newton was playing this weekend, we'd be talking about him.

Yes, but he sure wouldn't be getting the hype or attention that Tebow is getting, he sure didn't get it during the season and there is only one reason. I, rest my case.

JAR - I gotcha.... but Cam was getting a ton of media attention. I live in SC and so they are always on TV so I watched him play quite a bit. The national media was very one-sided on Cam, trust me. They slobbered all over Cam like they do Tebow. But Cam made a ton of mistakes, bad throws, and interceptions. He also made some ubelievable plays showcasing his arm and athletic ability. I don't recall EVER the media showing the mistakes.... it was always Cam is so great.. blah blah blah. But yet, week in and week out, there's another L in the loss column.

I'm not knocking Cam because he proved me wrong this year. I didn't think he'd play as well as what he did. However, the media was very pro-Cam during the season. And trust me, it was a bit one-sided. The media ALWAYS showed the positives, never the negatives.

feltdizz
01-11-2012, 02:02 PM
The reason people are offended by Teow is because the media has made it anti-christian to not like him.

His faith and good heart are used by fans and talking heads to force you to like him or answer the question "why do you hate the good guy?

Troy was probably in the league 4 to 5 years before we realized he was crossing himself 50,000 times a game. Analyst weren't saying Troy needed to be drafted because of his none football skills.

The whole "he just wins" is crazy talk too... There are at least 2 to 3 QB's in every power conference, besides the Big East, who just win.

Every QB on Alabama and LSU since Saban and Les Miles "wins".... every QB at Florida before Tebow won.

phillyesq
01-11-2012, 02:03 PM
It is up to him to represent himself in a certain way.

And what's that...being an over zealous Christian and using the NFL to promote his agenda? That's just as offensive to some as what Pouncey did.

I am far from religious, and even mentioned in another thread that I'd rather Denver not win the SB because the Tebowmania would be out of hand.

That being said, there is no way that you can describe Tebow even close to being to the same level of "offensive". Tebow is annoying, calling your fans losers is offensive.

and, that is your opinion. I find Tebow offensive.

And you may find him offensive based on your own personal biases. However, some of what Pouncey said is objectively offensive. For example, if you said go "f" with my "n" on prime time tv, you would be fined, becuase that langauge is not tolerated for publication in decent society.

Your arguments, which are based on relativism and a twisting of the facts, are wholly without merit.

steelz09
01-11-2012, 02:10 PM
It is up to him to represent himself in a certain way.

And what's that...being an over zealous Christian and using the NFL to promote his agenda? That's just as offensive to some as what Pouncey did.

I am far from religious, and even mentioned in another thread that I'd rather Denver not win the SB because the Tebowmania would be out of hand.

That being said, there is no way that you can describe Tebow even close to being to the same level of "offensive". Tebow is annoying, calling your fans losers is offensive.

and, that is your opinion. I find Tebow offensive.

And you may find him offensive based on your own personal biases. However, some of what Pouncey said is objectively offensive. For example, if you said go "f" with my "n" on prime time tv, you would be fined, becuase that langauge is not tolerated for publication in decent society.

Your arguments, which are based on relativism and a twisting of the facts, are wholly without merit.

I find it funny that people find tebowing offensive. The guy is on one knee saying something to himself, to "god", or whoever... no one knows. It's personal to him.

Polamalu does the sign of the cross. He's christian and obviously the sign of the cross would validate that. Because Troy is showed a lot during the games, him praying has been showed many many times.

If I was anti-religious, anti-christian or whatever, I would find Polamalu more offensive. If you didn't know any better, you wouldn't even know what religion Tebow is. Does Tebowing show what religion he is? Nope! Does praying and making the sign of the cross show that your Christian. Yup.

Pouncey's commments were just stupid. I'm a bit disappointed as well. You just DON'T do that. period. That's much more offensive than both. It's being condescending towards the people that support your franchise and the National Football League. Without those fans, he wouldn't even have a job making millions.

JAR
01-11-2012, 02:15 PM
It is up to him to represent himself in a certain way.

And what's that...being an over zealous Christian and using the NFL to promote his agenda? That's just as offensive to some as what Pouncey did.

I am far from religious, and even mentioned in another thread that I'd rather Denver not win the SB because the Tebowmania would be out of hand.

That being said, there is no way that you can describe Tebow even close to being to the same level of "offensive". Tebow is annoying, calling your fans losers is offensive.

and, that is your opinion. I find Tebow offensive.

And you may find him offensive based on your own personal biases. However, some of what Pouncey said is objectively offensive. For example, if you said go "f" with my "n" on prime time tv, you would be fined, becuase that langauge is not tolerated for publication in decent society.

Your arguments, which are based on relativism and a twisting of the facts, are wholly without merit.

Word's are word's and I don't find them offensive. An announcer on ESPN can't say the F word, but in the next segment, the announcers can yammer all they want about little boys being molested at Penn State, that's not offensive at all.

In the next segment, they can hype Tebow to no tomorrow and it sure isn't because he's a great QB. His in your face Christianity and his controversial SB commercials are offensive and he doesn't need to be made a star because of them.

SteelBucks
01-11-2012, 02:20 PM
It is up to him to represent himself in a certain way.

And what's that...being an over zealous Christian and using the NFL to promote his agenda? That's just as offensive to some as what Pouncey did.

I am far from religious, and even mentioned in another thread that I'd rather Denver not win the SB because the Tebowmania would be out of hand.

That being said, there is no way that you can describe Tebow even close to being to the same level of "offensive". Tebow is annoying, calling your fans losers is offensive.

and, that is your opinion. I find Tebow offensive.

If you find him offensive then change the channel. Problem solved.

(Now I understand why most people stay away from talking religion and politics.)

JAR
01-11-2012, 02:21 PM
The reason people are offended by Teow is because the media has made it anti-christian to not like him.

His faith and good heart are used by fans and talking heads to force you to like him or answer the question "why do you hate the good guy?

Troy was probably in the league 4 to 5 years before we realized he was crossing himself 50,000 times a game. Analyst weren't saying Troy needed to be drafted because of his none football skills.

The whole "he just wins" is crazy talk too... There are at least 2 to 3 QB's in every power conference, besides the Big East, who just win.

Every QB on Alabama and LSU since Saban and Les Miles "wins".... every QB at Florida before Tebow won.

:Bow

feltdizz
01-11-2012, 02:24 PM
I find it funny that people find tebowing offensive. The guy is on one knee saying something to himself, to "god", or whoever... no one knows. It's personal to him.

Polamalu does the sign of the cross. He's christian and obviously the sign of the cross would validate that. Because Troy is showed a lot during the games, him praying has been showed many many times.

If I was anti-religious, anti-christian or whatever, I would find Polamalu more offensive. If you didn't know any better, you wouldn't even know what religion Tebow is. Does Tebowing show what religion he is? Nope! Does praying and making the sign of the cross show that your Christian. Yup.

Pouncey's commments were just stupid. I'm a bit disappointed as well. You just DON'T do that. period. That's much more offensive than both. It's being condescending towards the people that support your franchise and the National Football League. Without those fans, he wouldn't even have a job making millions.

You have to live in a cave to not know what religion Tebow is... not sure how you came to that conclusion.

It doesn't matter what religion Troy is because he is great at his position. Tebow may turn into a fantastic QB but right now he is a great christian, great person and an ugly QB who wins... kinda..

Am i offended by Pouncey's comments? No, not really... but I can see why Steeler fans would be mad. Am I offended by Tebow? Yep... not him personally but I'm offended by the media trying to redefine what a good football player is and what a good christian is...

feltdizz
01-11-2012, 02:26 PM
It is up to him to represent himself in a certain way.

And what's that...being an over zealous Christian and using the NFL to promote his agenda? That's just as offensive to some as what Pouncey did.

I am far from religious, and even mentioned in another thread that I'd rather Denver not win the SB because the Tebowmania would be out of hand.

That being said, there is no way that you can describe Tebow even close to being to the same level of "offensive". Tebow is annoying, calling your fans losers is offensive.

and, that is your opinion. I find Tebow offensive.

If you find him offensive then change the channel. Problem solved.

(Now I understand why most people stay away from talking religion and politics.)

I turned to the GOP debate and they were talking about Tebow :stirpot

I turned to local news and they were talking about Tebow

I go on Postgazette.com and the mayor is Tebowing...

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

JAR
01-11-2012, 02:27 PM
It is up to him to represent himself in a certain way.

And what's that...being an over zealous Christian and using the NFL to promote his agenda? That's just as offensive to some as what Pouncey did.

I am far from religious, and even mentioned in another thread that I'd rather Denver not win the SB because the Tebowmania would be out of hand.

That being said, there is no way that you can describe Tebow even close to being to the same level of "offensive". Tebow is annoying, calling your fans losers is offensive.

and, that is your opinion. I find Tebow offensive.

If you find him offensive then change the channel. Problem solved.

(Now I understand why most people stay away from talking religion and politics.)

And those who find "words" offensive should avoid just about every thing, right?

steelz09
01-11-2012, 02:59 PM
I find it funny that people find tebowing offensive. The guy is on one knee saying something to himself, to "god", or whoever... no one knows. It's personal to him.

Polamalu does the sign of the cross. He's christian and obviously the sign of the cross would validate that. Because Troy is showed a lot during the games, him praying has been showed many many times.

If I was anti-religious, anti-christian or whatever, I would find Polamalu more offensive. If you didn't know any better, you wouldn't even know what religion Tebow is. Does Tebowing show what religion he is? Nope! Does praying and making the sign of the cross show that your Christian. Yup.

Pouncey's commments were just stupid. I'm a bit disappointed as well. You just DON'T do that. period. That's much more offensive than both. It's being condescending towards the people that support your franchise and the National Football League. Without those fans, he wouldn't even have a job making millions.

You have to live in a cave to not know what religion Tebow is... not sure how you came to that conclusion.

It doesn't matter what religion Troy is because he is great at his position. Tebow may turn into a fantastic QB but right now he is a great christian, great person and an ugly QB who wins... kinda..

Am i offended by Pouncey's comments? No, not really... but I can see why Steeler fans would be mad. Am I offended by Tebow? Yep... not him personally but I'm offended by the media trying to redefine what a good football player is and what a good christian is...

omg .... let me try to explain this better.

Take a non-sports fan that doesn't know Tebow or Polamalu. Say that person typically offended by relgious "gestures". They see Tebow, "Tebowing" and Polamalu praying (w/ making the cross) after a play.

The more offensive one is pretty obvious.

Slapstick
01-11-2012, 03:57 PM
omg .... let me try to explain this better.

Take a non-sports fan that doesn't know Tebow or Polamalu. Say that person typically offended by relgious "gestures". They see Tebow, "Tebowing" and Polamalu praying (w/ making the cross) after a play.

The more offensive one is pretty obvious.

Tebowing, of course...

Crossing one's self is a private, low profile act of humility and contrition...

Tebowing is simply pure showboating...

phillyesq
01-11-2012, 04:00 PM
omg .... let me try to explain this better.

Take a non-sports fan that doesn't know Tebow or Polamalu. Say that person typically offended by relgious "gestures". They see Tebow, "Tebowing" and Polamalu praying (w/ making the cross) after a play.

The more offensive one is pretty obvious.

Tebowing, of course...

Crossing one's self is a private, low profile act of humility and contrition...

Tebowing is simply pure showboating...

Really? Does he even do it during the games? I didn't see it once on Sunday. And I'm pretty sure that there were players that would quickly take a knee in the end zone before the NFL prohibited celebrations where a player went to the ground.

Slapstick
01-11-2012, 04:02 PM
Really? Does he even do it during the games? I didn't see it once on Sunday. And I'm pretty sure that there were players that would quickly take a knee in the end zone before the NFL prohibited celebrations where a player went to the ground.

Yep. Pure showboating. That's why they banned it... :stirpot

Shawn
01-11-2012, 04:15 PM
Taking exerpts off of twitter isn't the best way to analyze character. Who knows what prompted the response. Who knows what happened to Pouncey that day.

Pouncey is a young talented center who probably has some growing up to do...just like most of us at that age.

I would hate think that people would use things I wrote on message boards years ago, to measure or judge me. I would think Dubs you would feel the same way. I give what I desire to get...and that is the credit of the doubt.

feltdizz
01-11-2012, 04:15 PM
They also banned putting scriptures and any other message on the face tape after Tebow left college.

I wonder why? :stirpot

Lebsteel
01-11-2012, 04:18 PM
Tebow didn't have hype??? hahaha. His hype was when he was a Florida Gator. His hype was pre-draft when people didn't know who and when he would get drafted. His hype was during the draft when they showed him non-stop. His hype was after the draft when people said he couldn't play in the NFL. His hype was in training camp when the media analyzed his every move and depth chart position. His hype was during the season when the fans were basically pleeding for him to start. When he started, the hype was even moreso. I hate the non-stop media coverage but I don't put all that on Tebow. When he's bad, the media says he sucks and can't play in NFL. When he wins, they slobber all over him. It is what it is. I don't like it but to say he got his media attention from praying and "thanking god" is one of the most moronic things i've ever heard.

:Agree
:Agree :Agree

Lebsteel
01-11-2012, 04:38 PM
Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

:Agree Tebowism is being shoved in our face everywhere, it's almost unavoidable. Even today, the mayor of Pittsburgh had to Tebow as part of his lost bet with the Denver mayor...give me a freaking break.

Can one of you enlighten me as to the great message that Pouncey was trying to convey? Read what he wrote, and please, tell me how his asinine comments had anything to do with expressing any viewpoint or belief? And please, explain to me how it is at all analagous to anything that Tim Tebow says or does.

Before boarding the plane to come home, he showed that he was so upset by this loss that he needed to promote some rapper. He got called out on it, and responded to his fans that he's superior to them because he's young and rich and has more twitter followers.

Pouncey is young and dumb, no question, and I suppose he gets a bit of a pass based on the youthful part of the equation. The unfortunate part of twitter is that you see atheletes expressing who they really are, and he seems to be a selfish turd who cares about nothing more than his bank account.

How does Pouncey promoting a band on his pretty much private Twitter account make him less of a team player than Tebow constantly promoting God or Jesus on a national stage

It seems Tebow is more concerned about pleasing Jesus than he is his team.

Exactly...now you understand JAR. Tebow IS more concerned with pleasing Jesus and that is a very good thing. I bet Troy is as well..

The offensive part of the tweets to me is how Pouncey responded and the words he used not the fact he was promotiing a "band."

fezziwig
01-11-2012, 04:43 PM
Taking exerpts off of twitter isn't the best way to analyze character. Who knows what prompted the response. Who knows what happened to Pouncey that day.

Pouncey is a young talented center who probably has some growing up to do...just like most of us at that age.

I would hate think that people would use things I wrote on message boards years ago, to measure or judge me. I would think Dubs you would feel the same way. I give what I desire to get...and that is the credit of the doubt.



Shawn, I agree 100%. My opinion is, no one is perfect and I myself would love to take back things I have said in the past. The guy is young and that is how some or all young people react at times. I think no less of him for what he has said or how he responded.

A persons tongue can be pretty wicked at times and I think many people have been guilty of harsh words. Sadly, I know I have but hey, I'm soon to be 50 years old and I still haven't learned to take the higher road all the time.

Chadman
01-11-2012, 07:24 PM
Ok, somehow this topic has gotten out of hand..

1. Pouncey's tweets....some will find them offensive. Some will not. Some will simply never see them because they don't follow twitter.

2. Tebow...probably not a bad guy...does a lot of openly Christian displays during NFL games & national coverage.

3. Troy crosses himself during nationally televised games as well.


These are the 3 points Chadman wants to focus on, hopefully without offending everyone.

Pouncey's tweets used offensive (to some) language & was not football related after the Steelers loss to the Broncos. He then verbally (twitteringly) attacked 'followers' of his tweets after they critisized him for not being upset about the Steelers loss. Was it smart? Probably not. However, if snippets of his responses hadn't been printed in a Post-Gazette article, you'd be none the wiser. The reporter had to go & seek out Pouncey's responses- they didn't come to the reporter. Twitter, like Facebook, is a 'social media' if you like, but it is still up to you, the individual, to seek out the tweets. You don't just get random people's commentry sent to your phone or computer- you need to make the choice beforehand to follow it.

Tebow & his Tebowing- the comparison is not between the actions of Pouncey & Tebow, but by the choice you have in recieving it. Don't for 1 minute try to convince Chadman that Tebow does not know what he's doing, and how much more popular his "Tebowing" makes him. Is it all gimmick? hope not. but it could be- but not the point. the point is, he makes openly religious comment by "Tebowing". And he does it on a national stage, the television, where people are tuning in to watch...football. Not religion. There's the difference & the comparison- you don't have to 'follow' Tebow to get the "Tebowing" messege 'shoved down your throat'. It's played out on a National stage, while people are trying to enjoy a game of football. It's the same reason Jehovah's Witnesses get so many doors closed in their faces & so many rolly eyed responses- they bring their religion to you. They 'force' it upon you. Religion is not a bad thing. Don't get Chadman wrong. But it will offend, as this thread has shown. And watching a Broncos game now serves as a semi-enforced Sunday School lesson. The obvious response here is "stop watching the game"- but that isn't fair, is it? You tuned in to watch football, not anything remotely religious- why should football fans be asked to turn away if they don't want to see it? Now, just to clarify- Chadman has nothing against religion, of any kind, but "Tebowing" & the crap the media go on about with it- is too far.

Troy & his giving the Cross sign is akin to "Tebowing". Chadman is less offended by this action, mostly because it isn't a media driven thing. That said, Troy & many others do tend to take the very opportune time of running past a camera to give the Cross sign.

The point that got lost somewhere along the way is that Pouncey is really 'allowed' to say whatever he wants on his Twitter account, be it dumb or profound. His statements are directed to those people that WANT to hear what he has to say, be it dumb or profound. He didn't get on TV & tell you to follow this rapper & he's a Steeler & you wish you were, etc, etc. The comparison to Tebow obviously came from that- Tebow's messege isn't to his 'followers', but to everyone- even if they don't want to hear it. If you follow the NFL, you don't get that choice.

There-in lies the problem.

For what it's worth- Chadman thinks the Mendenhall "bin Laden" tweet thing is akin to Pouncey's tweet. Chadman finds it hard to fault Mendy for an opinion on his twitter account, given to those that want to hear what he has to say. The 'furore' only came up when someone that didn't agree with his comments took them & showed everyone. We all say players with Twitter accounts etc are being stupid- but we fail to look and see the fault in ourselves for the reactions to their comments. They are, after all, entitled to opinions the same as you & Chadman.

Well, maybe not the same as Chadman.

:tt2

JAR
01-11-2012, 07:49 PM
Ok, somehow this topic has gotten out of hand..

1. Pouncey's tweets....some will find them offensive. Some will not. Some will simply never see them because they don't follow twitter.

2. Tebow...probably not a bad guy...does a lot of openly Christian displays during NFL games & national coverage.

3. Troy crosses himself during nationally televised games as well.


These are the 3 points Chadman wants to focus on, hopefully without offending everyone.

Pouncey's tweets used offensive (to some) language & was not football related after the Steelers loss to the Broncos. He then verbally (twitteringly) attacked 'followers' of his tweets after they critisized him for not being upset about the Steelers loss. Was it smart? Probably not. However, if snippets of his responses hadn't been printed in a Post-Gazette article, you'd be none the wiser. The reporter had to go & seek out Pouncey's responses- they didn't come to the reporter. Twitter, like Facebook, is a 'social media' if you like, but it is still up to you, the individual, to seek out the tweets. You don't just get random people's commentry sent to your phone or computer- you need to make the choice beforehand to follow it.

Tebow & his Tebowing- the comparison is not between the actions of Pouncey & Tebow, but by the choice you have in recieving it. Don't for 1 minute try to convince Chadman that Tebow does not know what he's doing, and how much more popular his "Tebowing" makes him. Is it all gimmick? hope not. but it could be- but not the point. the point is, he makes openly religious comment by "Tebowing". And he does it on a national stage, the television, where people are tuning in to watch...football. Not religion. There's the difference & the comparison- you don't have to 'follow' Tebow to get the "Tebowing" messege 'shoved down your throat'. It's played out on a National stage, while people are trying to enjoy a game of football. It's the same reason Jehovah's Witnesses get so many doors closed in their faces & so many rolly eyed responses- they bring their religion to you. They 'force' it upon you. Religion is not a bad thing. Don't get Chadman wrong. But it will offend, as this thread has shown. And watching a Broncos game now serves as a semi-enforced Sunday School lesson. The obvious response here is "stop watching the game"- but that isn't fair, is it? You tuned in to watch football, not anything remotely religious- why should football fans be asked to turn away if they don't want to see it? Now, just to clarify- Chadman has nothing against religion, of any kind, but "Tebowing" & the crap the media go on about with it- is too far.

Troy & his giving the Cross sign is akin to "Tebowing". Chadman is less offended by this action, mostly because it isn't a media driven thing. That said, Troy & many others do tend to take the very opportune time of running past a camera to give the Cross sign.

The point that got lost somewhere along the way is that Pouncey is really 'allowed' to say whatever he wants on his Twitter account, be it dumb or profound. His statements are directed to those people that WANT to hear what he has to say, be it dumb or profound. He didn't get on TV & tell you to follow this rapper & he's a Steeler & you wish you were, etc, etc. The comparison to Tebow obviously came from that- Tebow's messege isn't to his 'followers', but to everyone- even if they don't want to hear it. If you follow the NFL, you don't get that choice.

There-in lies the problem.

For what it's worth- Chadman thinks the Mendenhall "bin Laden" tweet thing is akin to Pouncey's tweet. Chadman finds it hard to fault Mendy for an opinion on his twitter account, given to those that want to hear what he has to say. The 'furore' only came up when someone that didn't agree with his comments took them & showed everyone. We all say players with Twitter accounts etc are being stupid- but we fail to look and see the fault in ourselves for the reactions to their comments. They are, after all, entitled to opinions the same as you & Chadman.

Well, maybe not the same as Chadman.

:tt2

So eloquent, only a Chadman could do it. :)

Tebow is know for his religiousness not for his play.

Ghost
01-11-2012, 07:55 PM
It is up to him to represent himself in a certain way.

And what's that...being an over zealous Christian and using the NFL to promote his agenda? That's just as offensive to some as what Pouncey did.

I am far from religious, and even mentioned in another thread that I'd rather Denver not win the SB because the Tebowmania would be out of hand.

That being said, there is no way that you can describe Tebow even close to being to the same level of "offensive". Tebow is annoying, calling your fans losers is offensive.

and, that is your opinion. I find Tebow offensive.

If you find him offensive then change the channel. Problem solved.

(Now I understand why most people stay away from talking religion and politics.)

Tebow doesn't bother me at all, but Bucks, couldn't you use the exact same response for Pouncey - don't like what he says, don't suscribe to his twitter feed. About 63 pages back, Chadman mentioned how if the press hadn't reported this he wouldn't have even known. Me either.

And Shawn said it wel with I hope I'm not always judged on what slips out of my mouth b/f my filter goes on and I'm a heck of a lot older than Pouncey.

Pouncey telling a couple of punk fans to bugger off is much about nothing. Just as Tebow bowing in prayer or saying thanks is harmless as well.

phillyesq
01-11-2012, 08:03 PM
Ok, somehow this topic has gotten out of hand..

These are the 3 points Chadman wants to focus on, hopefully without offending everyone.

Pouncey's tweets used offensive (to some) language & was not football related after the Steelers loss to the Broncos. He then verbally (twitteringly) attacked 'followers' of his tweets after they critisized him for not being upset about the Steelers loss. Was it smart? Probably not. However, if snippets of his responses hadn't been printed in a Post-Gazette article, you'd be none the wiser. The reporter had to go & seek out Pouncey's responses- they didn't come to the reporter. Twitter, like Facebook, is a 'social media' if you like, but it is still up to you, the individual, to seek out the tweets. You don't just get random people's commentry sent to your phone or computer- you need to make the choice beforehand to follow it.
:tt2

Chadman, first, I will agree with you that this topic has gotten out of hand.

Just a technical clarification -- the PG reporter did not have to seek out Pouncey's responses. Any of Pouncey's 54,000+ followers would automatically see his responses. I'm not going to take the time to look through the list, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a few reporters among his followers. What would take effort and legwork is looking at the tweets to which Pouncey was responding -- I took the time and posted those earlier.

Quite frankly, despite over 100 posts on the topic, I fail to see any rational connection between Pouncey's tweets and Tebow.

Chadman
01-11-2012, 08:11 PM
Ok, somehow this topic has gotten out of hand..

These are the 3 points Chadman wants to focus on, hopefully without offending everyone.

Pouncey's tweets used offensive (to some) language & was not football related after the Steelers loss to the Broncos. He then verbally (twitteringly) attacked 'followers' of his tweets after they critisized him for not being upset about the Steelers loss. Was it smart? Probably not. However, if snippets of his responses hadn't been printed in a Post-Gazette article, you'd be none the wiser. The reporter had to go & seek out Pouncey's responses- they didn't come to the reporter. Twitter, like Facebook, is a 'social media' if you like, but it is still up to you, the individual, to seek out the tweets. You don't just get random people's commentry sent to your phone or computer- you need to make the choice beforehand to follow it.
:tt2

Chadman, first, I will agree with you that this topic has gotten out of hand.

Just a technical clarification -- the PG reporter did not have to seek out Pouncey's responses. Any of Pouncey's 54,000+ followers would automatically see his responses. I'm not going to take the time to look through the list, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a few reporters among his followers. What would take effort and legwork is looking at the tweets to which Pouncey was responding -- I took the time and posted those earlier.

Quite frankly, despite over 100 posts on the topic, I fail to see any rational connection between Pouncey's tweets and Tebow.



Tebow & his Tebowing- the comparison is not between the actions of Pouncey & Tebow, but by the choice you have in recieving it

But Philly, you just backed up Chadman's point by saying the reporters are among his followers. The reporters had to go out of their way to follow Pouncey- he didn't come to them with this. Pouncey did not say "Mr Reporter, here's what I think about this rapper and these people responding to me". He made comment on what is, essentially, a 'private' account that people who CHOOSE to follow and read would see. The reporter then chose to show us snippets of his comments.

Tebow doesn't spread his messege to his 'followers'. He makes his statements- either by voice or action, on national television. The casual television watcher is then subjected to his comments and actions wether they choose to be or not.

The comparison isn't the actions, but the recieving of the messege.

Shoe
01-11-2012, 09:25 PM
The thing with Pouncey is that, all I've heard about him, is how high a character he has. Now, that may still be the case on the field... of course, ignoring his very legitimate injury concerns... but off the field, this is as someone else said, very disappointing. As a supposed leader of men, he's tweeting about some nonsense one hour after an embarrassing loss in which he didn't even play? That's bush league. Do you see other leaders engage in petty nonsense like that? No. Do you see immature mental midgets idiots like Pacman or TO doing that? Yes.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
01-12-2012, 11:05 AM
Taking exerpts off of twitter isn't the best way to analyze character.

Shawn, when you live in a fishbowl then your entire image is defined by exerpts.

A celebrity who tells a kid to f%^& off when asking for an autograph and captured on a cell phone cam makes that celebrity an awful person and is shown over and over again on shows like TMZ. Some of these shows are actually only around to capture brief glimpses of celebrity life and plaster them across the screen with their own judgement being the story.

Did that celebrity just find out his childhood friend died? Have a fight with his wife? Or is the guy just an ass? Doesn't matter, judge and jury has already convicted him.

Lets go back to the Ben incident in GA. I think that most fans on here were of the opinion that the worst thing that Ben did was exercise poor judgement by hanging out in a college bar after once being falsely accused.

Bottom line, if Pouncey cannot play nice EVERY TIME then he should not be tweeting. Celebrities are judged this way.

Slapstick
01-12-2012, 12:32 PM
Bottom line, if Pouncey cannot play nice EVERY TIME then he should not be tweeting. Celebrities are judged this way.

So what?

Who are we to judge anybody?

rpmpit
01-12-2012, 01:05 PM
Ben before every game... :stirpot

http://twif.gripapplication.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Roethlisberger-Ben-Pittsburgh-Steelers-03-2010-Dan-Poel-TWIF-ARTICLE-240x300.jpg


BTW, did Tebow get traded to the Steelers?? Because unless he did, I honestly don't care what he does or doesn't do. I'm a Steeler fan. What our players say or do affects me because I have a (probably unhealthy) love for this team and what it represents. Pouncey can say whatever he likes. But, in my opinion, his Twitter comments came at the wrong time. And for that, I was disappointed in him.

feltdizz
01-12-2012, 01:15 PM
All I care about is Pouncey's play on the field... I don't need my players to be angels or great leaders off the field.

feltdizz
01-12-2012, 01:16 PM
Ben before every game... :stirpot

http://twif.gripapplication.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Roethlisberger-Ben-Pittsburgh-Steelers-03-2010-Dan-Poel-TWIF-ARTICLE-240x300.jpg


BTW, did Tebow get traded to the Steelers?? Because unless he did, I honestly don't care what he does or doesn't do. I'm a Steeler fan. What our players say or do affects me because I have a (probably unhealthy) love for this team and what it represents. Pouncey can say whatever he likes. But, in my opinion, his Twitter comments came at the wrong time. And for that, I was disappointed in him.

Why wasn't Ben the God child of the NFL? :stirpot

rpmpit
01-12-2012, 01:23 PM
Ben before every game... :stirpot

http://twif.gripapplication.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Roethlisberger-Ben-Pittsburgh-Steelers-03-2010-Dan-Poel-TWIF-ARTICLE-240x300.jpg


BTW, did Tebow get traded to the Steelers?? Because unless he did, I honestly don't care what he does or doesn't do. I'm a Steeler fan. What our players say or do affects me because I have a (probably unhealthy) love for this team and what it represents. Pouncey can say whatever he likes. But, in my opinion, his Twitter comments came at the wrong time. And for that, I was disappointed in him.

Why wasn't Ben the God child of the NFL? :stirpot

He was. Remember PFJ (Play for Jesus)??? But then the raping started :stirpot

RuthlessBurgher
01-12-2012, 01:23 PM
Ben before every game... :stirpot

http://twif.gripapplication.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Roethlisberger-Ben-Pittsburgh-Steelers-03-2010-Dan-Poel-TWIF-ARTICLE-240x300.jpg


BTW, did Tebow get traded to the Steelers?? Because unless he did, I honestly don't care what he does or doesn't do. I'm a Steeler fan. What our players say or do affects me because I have a (probably unhealthy) love for this team and what it represents. Pouncey can say whatever he likes. But, in my opinion, his Twitter comments came at the wrong time. And for that, I was disappointed in him.

Why wasn't Ben the God child of the NFL? :stirpot

NFL players taking a knee to pray happened long, long before Tebow.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2011/01/16/2013956544.jpg
http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/gallery/data/515/post_game_prayer2.jpg
http://static.zoodig.com/a88faf3c-3762-4887-88f9-bbd1af3fb30d
http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/gallery/data/511/121.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IjkoJ5Pc250/TrgsLX1O-vI/AAAAAAAAAio/bV5hRUrAAvE/s1600/jets-prayer.jpg

feltdizz
01-12-2012, 01:30 PM
I know Ruthless....

but those are a bunch of thugs :stirpot

finally there is a man praying for Jesus that the fans can cheer for :roll:

rpmpit
01-12-2012, 01:32 PM
I know Ruthless....

but those are a bunch of thugs :stirpot

finally there is a man praying for Jesus that the fans can cheer for :roll:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

JAR
01-12-2012, 01:34 PM
I know Ruthless....

but those are a bunch of thugs :stirpot

finally there is a man praying for Jesus that the fans can cheer for :roll:

:stirpot

ikestops85
01-12-2012, 01:40 PM
So eloquent, only a Chadman could do it. :)

Tebow is know for his religiousness not for his play.

I'm sorry but I think that is a ridiculous statement. We never would have heard about Tebow except for his stellar play at Florida. The religious thing is just an angle that the media concentrates on. It makes him a bit different than other players. I've hated UF since the Spurrier days and I'm not a fan of religions but this type of attack on Tebow is horrible.

I don't know if any of you remember the Raiders when George Blanda came off the bench and QBed them and kicked winning FGs in something like 5 weeks in a row much the same as Tebow has done this year. That was years ago without the same media scrutiny as today yet Blanda became a household name. I don't know if he was religious or not ... nor do I care.

Ben looks and then points to the sky after every touchdown he throws. Should Ben not be allowed to do that? Ben has also mentioned in many interviews that Christianity is an important part of his life. Again, should he not be allowed to do that?

Let these guys, Tebow included, do what they do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. I hate all the pub about Tebow also, same as I hate the pub of Belichick being the best coach of all time or Peyton being the God of QBs. Yet I love when they say Troy is the best safety or Ben is a great QB. We just have to let this stuff go ... it's going to happen and there's nothing we can do about it.

Now to address the thread. Pouncey just watched his favored team lose to an inferior team. He didn't get to play and now his season is over. Can you say frustrated? He probably shouldn't have tweeted that stuff but give the guy a break. I'm not on the team yet my family knows enough to stay away from me for a few hours after a loss. :lol:

JAR
01-12-2012, 01:55 PM
So eloquent, only a Chadman could do it. :)

Tebow is know for his religiousness not for his play.

I'm sorry but I think that is a ridiculous statement. We never would have heard about Tebow except for his stellar play at Florida. The religious thing is just an angle that the media concentrates on. It makes him a bit different than other players. I've hated UF since the Spurrier days and I'm not a fan of religions but this type of attack on Tebow is horrible.

I don't know if any of you remember the Raiders when George Blanda came off the bench and QBed them and kicked winning FGs in something like 5 weeks in a row much the same as Tebow has done this year. That was years ago without the same media scrutiny as today yet Blanda became a household name. I don't know if he was religious or not ... nor do I care.

Ben looks and then points to the sky after every touchdown he throws. Should Ben not be allowed to do that? Ben has also mentioned in many interviews that Christianity is an important part of his life. Again, should he not be allowed to do that?

Let these guys, Tebow included, do what they do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. I hate all the pub about Tebow also, same as I hate the pub of Belichick being the best coach of all time or Peyton being the God of QBs. Yet I love when they say Troy is the best safety or Ben is a great QB. We just have to let this stuff go ... it's going to happen and there's nothing we can do about it.

Now to address the thread. Pouncey just watched his favored team lose to an inferior team. He didn't get to play and now his season is over. Can you say frustrated? He probably shouldn't have tweeted that stuff but give the guy a break. I'm not on the team yet my family knows enough to stay away from me for a few hours after a loss. :lol:

As I stated earlier, Cam Newton had the same accomplishments as Tebow and even mid-season didn't garner half of the attention Tebow did and was playing much better ball. A.J. Yates is a rookie and still in the playoffs, where is his non-stop media attention?

There is only one reason Tebow is in the media ad nauseum..his very open and in your face Christianity. Other players, ie Ben, Troy show their religiousness, but not to the point Tebow does.

If Pouncey was tweeting about Jesus, the same people ridiculing him now, wouldn't care. He tweeted some words others felt were offensive or thug like so they don't approve, but being openly Christian automatically makes you a 'good' guy.

Tebow's over the top in your face Christianity is offensive to some, just as the F word is to others. Using the F word doesn't make you a non team player or a thug as the title of this thread seems to insinuate.

feltdizz
01-12-2012, 02:07 PM
So eloquent, only a Chadman could do it. :)

Tebow is know for his religiousness not for his play.

I'm sorry but I think that is a ridiculous statement. We never would have heard about Tebow except for his stellar play at Florida. The religious thing is just an angle that the media concentrates on. It makes him a bit different than other players. I've hated UF since the Spurrier days and I'm not a fan of religions but this type of attack on Tebow is horrible.

I don't know if any of you remember the Raiders when George Blanda came off the bench and QBed them and kicked winning FGs in something like 5 weeks in a row much the same as Tebow has done this year. That was years ago without the same media scrutiny as today yet Blanda became a household name. I don't know if he was religious or not ... nor do I care.

Ben looks and then points to the sky after every touchdown he throws. Should Ben not be allowed to do that? Ben has also mentioned in many interviews that Christianity is an important part of his life. Again, should he not be allowed to do that?

Let these guys, Tebow included, do what they do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. I hate all the pub about Tebow also, same as I hate the pub of Belichick being the best coach of all time or Peyton being the God of QBs. Yet I love when they say Troy is the best safety or Ben is a great QB. We just have to let this stuff go ... it's going to happen and there's nothing we can do about it.

Now to address the thread. Pouncey just watched his favored team lose to an inferior team. He didn't get to play and now his season is over. Can you say frustrated? He probably shouldn't have tweeted that stuff but give the guy a break. I'm not on the team yet my family knows enough to stay away from me for a few hours after a loss. :lol:

I never liked UF and I definitely didn't like the Tebow hype while he was there...

The speech? The 3:16? The Tebowwwww oh my on CBS when it was Arkansas vs. LSU...

It was over the top back then too. Sure Tebow was a great college player but anyone with football knowledge knew his team was stacked to the hilt with NFL players.

Where was the speech his senior year? Where was the "he just wins" when he was getting thumped by Alabama and crying on the sideline.

I don't mind Tebow as a football player but my problem is the unconditional love he is supposed to get from all fans because of his non football accolades.

Sanchez was also getting a ton of pub for his first 2 season's and plenty of fans didn't think he deserved it but no one was accused of being anti-Christian for not liking Sanchez.

This is the only reason people have issues with Tebow. Fans love and hate players all the time but for some reason Tebow isn't allowed to be hated on by fans. If the love for Tebow was strictly football based I could understand it but 60% of his pub is for his character.

I just think Tebow's skill level as a QB is sub par... he did make the 5 throws needed to beat us but I still see a FB at QB... When he improves as a QB I'll give him more credit.

ikestops85
01-12-2012, 02:09 PM
As I stated earlier, Cam Newton had the same accomplishments as Tebow and even mid-season didn't garner half of the attention Tebow did and was playing much better ball. A.J. Yates is a rookie and still in the playoffs, where is his non-stop media attention?

There is only one reason Tebow is in the media ad nauseum..his very open and in your face Christianity. Other players, ie Ben, Troy show their religiousness, but not to the point Tebow does.

If Pouncey was tweeting about Jesus, the same people ridiculing him now, wouldn't care. He tweeted some words others felt were offensive or thug like so they don't approve.

Tebow's over the top in your face Christianity is offensive to some, just as the F word is to others. Using the F word doesn't make you a non team player or a thug as the title of this thread seems to insinuate.

Hmmm, Cam Newton doesn't get the same attention as Tebow :wft

I don't know what sports shows you watch but all I've heard for Rookie of the Year is Cam Newton. Tebows name was never mentioned for the 1st 5 games of the season. He took them on a 7 game win streak with an unusual style as a QB. That's why he got publicity. When he came out of college their were huge arguments on whether he could make it as a pro QB. Before that win streak most thought he never would. The win streak gave those who thought he could a chance to crow. The 3 losses right before the playoffs knocked him down again.

If the Steelers would have beat him we probably never would have heard of Tebow again, christian or not.

phillyesq
01-12-2012, 02:14 PM
So eloquent, only a Chadman could do it. :)

Tebow is know for his religiousness not for his play.

I'm sorry but I think that is a ridiculous statement. We never would have heard about Tebow except for his stellar play at Florida. The religious thing is just an angle that the media concentrates on. It makes him a bit different than other players. I've hated UF since the Spurrier days and I'm not a fan of religions but this type of attack on Tebow is horrible.

I don't know if any of you remember the Raiders when George Blanda came off the bench and QBed them and kicked winning FGs in something like 5 weeks in a row much the same as Tebow has done this year. That was years ago without the same media scrutiny as today yet Blanda became a household name. I don't know if he was religious or not ... nor do I care.

Ben looks and then points to the sky after every touchdown he throws. Should Ben not be allowed to do that? Ben has also mentioned in many interviews that Christianity is an important part of his life. Again, should he not be allowed to do that?

Let these guys, Tebow included, do what they do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. I hate all the pub about Tebow also, same as I hate the pub of Belichick being the best coach of all time or Peyton being the God of QBs. Yet I love when they say Troy is the best safety or Ben is a great QB. We just have to let this stuff go ... it's going to happen and there's nothing we can do about it.

Now to address the thread. Pouncey just watched his favored team lose to an inferior team. He didn't get to play and now his season is over. Can you say frustrated? He probably shouldn't have tweeted that stuff but give the guy a break. I'm not on the team yet my family knows enough to stay away from me for a few hours after a loss. :lol:

As I stated earlier, Cam Newton had the same accomplishments as Tebow and even mid-season didn't garner half of the attention Tebow did and was playing much better ball. A.J. Yates is a rookie and still in the playoffs, where is his non-stop media attention?

There is only one reason Tebow is in the media ad nauseum..his very open and in your face Christianity. Other players, ie Ben, Troy show their religiousness, but not to the point Tebow does.

If Pouncey was tweeting about Jesus, the same people ridiculing him now, wouldn't care. He tweeted some words others felt were offensive or thug like so they don't approve, but being openly Christian automatically makes you a 'good' guy.

Tebow's over the top in your face Christianity is offensive to some, just as the F word is to others. Using the F word doesn't make you a non team player or a thug as the title of this thread seems to insinuate.

JAR, try to put aside your anti-Christian bias for just a minute. You were the one who created this absurd comparison.

The issues with Pouncey are as follows:

1) He chose to promote a rapper almost immediately after a playoff loss, generating what is easily interpreted as a lack of interest in his team;

2) He chose to do so dropping "f" and "n" bombs; and

3) He attacked his fans after doing so without any real provocation.

My issue with Pouncey isn't so much number two -- I certainly drop my fair share of "f" bombs during an average Steelers game. I can't use the other word that he chose to use, but that is an entirely different issue.

The main issue here, IMO, is that he foolishly promotes a rapper immediately after the game (why the rush -- why not wait a day) and then attacks his fans.

How on earth is that analagous to taking a knee or thanking Jesus in an interview? Please, look at the two completely unrelated issues and consider, just for a second, how absurd you sound and how badly you're reaching for a connection where there is none.

phillyesq
01-12-2012, 02:18 PM
I don't mind Tebow as a football player but my problem is the unconditional love he is supposed to get from all fans because of his non football accolades.

Sanchez was also getting a ton of pub for his first 2 season's and plenty of fans didn't think he deserved it but no one was accused of being anti-Christian for not liking Sanchez.

This is the only reason people have issues with Tebow. Fans love and hate players all the time but for some reason Tebow isn't allowed to be hated on by fans. If the love for Tebow was strictly football based I could understand it but 60% of his pub is for his character.

I just think Tebow's skill level as a QB is sub par... he did make the 5 throws needed to beat us but I still see a FB at QB... When he improves as a QB I'll give him more credit.

What are your feelings on Donovan McNabb? If I remember correctly, you were a big McNabb supporter, but he is another QB who couldn't be criticized without the critic being labeled. Did you have the same disdain for McNabb because of this as you do for Tebow?

phillyesq
01-12-2012, 02:19 PM
As I stated earlier, Cam Newton had the same accomplishments as Tebow and even mid-season didn't garner half of the attention Tebow did and was playing much better ball. A.J. Yates is a rookie and still in the playoffs, where is his non-stop media attention?

There is only one reason Tebow is in the media ad nauseum..his very open and in your face Christianity. Other players, ie Ben, Troy show their religiousness, but not to the point Tebow does.

If Pouncey was tweeting about Jesus, the same people ridiculing him now, wouldn't care. He tweeted some words others felt were offensive or thug like so they don't approve.

Tebow's over the top in your face Christianity is offensive to some, just as the F word is to others. Using the F word doesn't make you a non team player or a thug as the title of this thread seems to insinuate.

Hmmm, Cam Newton doesn't get the same attention as Tebow :wft

I don't know what sports shows you watch but all I've heard for Rookie of the Year is Cam Newton. Tebows name was never mentioned for the 1st 5 games of the season. He took them on a 7 game win streak with an unusual style as a QB. That's why he got publicity. When he came out of college their were huge arguments on whether he could make it as a pro QB. Before that win streak most thought he never would. The win streak gave those who thought he could a chance to crow. The 3 losses right before the playoffs knocked him down again.

If the Steelers would have beat him we probably never would have heard of Tebow again, christian or not.

Excellent point. Just like the Wildcat received a ton of hype and publicity a few years ago.

JAR
01-12-2012, 02:31 PM
As I stated earlier, Cam Newton had the same accomplishments as Tebow and even mid-season didn't garner half of the attention Tebow did and was playing much better ball. A.J. Yates is a rookie and still in the playoffs, where is his non-stop media attention?

There is only one reason Tebow is in the media ad nauseum..his very open and in your face Christianity. Other players, ie Ben, Troy show their religiousness, but not to the point Tebow does.

If Pouncey was tweeting about Jesus, the same people ridiculing him now, wouldn't care. He tweeted some words others felt were offensive or thug like so they don't approve.

Tebow's over the top in your face Christianity is offensive to some, just as the F word is to others. Using the F word doesn't make you a non team player or a thug as the title of this thread seems to insinuate.

Hmmm, Cam Newton doesn't get the same attention as Tebow :wft

I don't know what sports shows you watch but all I've heard for Rookie of the Year is Cam Newton. Tebows name was never mentioned for the 1st 5 games of the season. He took them on a 7 game win streak with an unusual style as a QB. That's why he got publicity. When he came out of college their were huge arguments on whether he could make it as a pro QB. Before that win streak most thought he never would. The win streak gave those who thought he could a chance to crow. The 3 losses right before the playoffs knocked him down again.

If the Steelers would have beat him we probably never would have heard of Tebow again, christian or not.

I'm sorry, but there is no way Newton got the hype Tebow did, even if he did, he deserves because he can play football, unlike Tebow.

T.J. Yates is a rookie, just like Tebow and is still in the playoffs. What does he need to get the same hype, Tebow?

JAR
01-12-2012, 02:32 PM
So eloquent, only a Chadman could do it. :)

Tebow is know for his religiousness not for his play.

I'm sorry but I think that is a ridiculous statement. We never would have heard about Tebow except for his stellar play at Florida. The religious thing is just an angle that the media concentrates on. It makes him a bit different than other players. I've hated UF since the Spurrier days and I'm not a fan of religions but this type of attack on Tebow is horrible.

I don't know if any of you remember the Raiders when George Blanda came off the bench and QBed them and kicked winning FGs in something like 5 weeks in a row much the same as Tebow has done this year. That was years ago without the same media scrutiny as today yet Blanda became a household name. I don't know if he was religious or not ... nor do I care.

Ben looks and then points to the sky after every touchdown he throws. Should Ben not be allowed to do that? Ben has also mentioned in many interviews that Christianity is an important part of his life. Again, should he not be allowed to do that?

Let these guys, Tebow included, do what they do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. I hate all the pub about Tebow also, same as I hate the pub of Belichick being the best coach of all time or Peyton being the God of QBs. Yet I love when they say Troy is the best safety or Ben is a great QB. We just have to let this stuff go ... it's going to happen and there's nothing we can do about it.

Now to address the thread. Pouncey just watched his favored team lose to an inferior team. He didn't get to play and now his season is over. Can you say frustrated? He probably shouldn't have tweeted that stuff but give the guy a break. I'm not on the team yet my family knows enough to stay away from me for a few hours after a loss. :lol:

As I stated earlier, Cam Newton had the same accomplishments as Tebow and even mid-season didn't garner half of the attention Tebow did and was playing much better ball. A.J. Yates is a rookie and still in the playoffs, where is his non-stop media attention?

There is only one reason Tebow is in the media ad nauseum..his very open and in your face Christianity. Other players, ie Ben, Troy show their religiousness, but not to the point Tebow does.

If Pouncey was tweeting about Jesus, the same people ridiculing him now, wouldn't care. He tweeted some words others felt were offensive or thug like so they don't approve, but being openly Christian automatically makes you a 'good' guy.

Tebow's over the top in your face Christianity is offensive to some, just as the F word is to others. Using the F word doesn't make you a non team player or a thug as the title of this thread seems to insinuate.

JAR, try to put aside your anti-Christian bias for just a minute. You were the one who created this absurd comparison.

The issues with Pouncey are as follows:

1) He chose to promote a rapper almost immediately after a playoff loss, generating what is easily interpreted as a lack of interest in his team;

2) He chose to do so dropping "f" and "n" bombs; and

3) He attacked his fans after doing so without any real provocation.

My issue with Pouncey isn't so much number two -- I certainly drop my fair share of "f" bombs during an average Steelers game. I can't use the other word that he chose to use, but that is an entirely different issue.

The main issue here, IMO, is that he foolishly promotes a rapper immediately after the game (why the rush -- why not wait a day) and then attacks his fans.

How on earth is that analagous to taking a knee or thanking Jesus in an interview? Please, look at the two completely unrelated issues and consider, just for a second, how absurd you sound and how badly you're reaching for a connection where there is none.

So, if the Broncos lose this weekend and the first thing Tebow does is promote Jesus, that will be OK?

feltdizz
01-12-2012, 02:40 PM
I don't mind Tebow as a football player but my problem is the unconditional love he is supposed to get from all fans because of his non football accolades.

Sanchez was also getting a ton of pub for his first 2 season's and plenty of fans didn't think he deserved it but no one was accused of being anti-Christian for not liking Sanchez.

This is the only reason people have issues with Tebow. Fans love and hate players all the time but for some reason Tebow isn't allowed to be hated on by fans. If the love for Tebow was strictly football based I could understand it but 60% of his pub is for his character.

I just think Tebow's skill level as a QB is sub par... he did make the 5 throws needed to beat us but I still see a FB at QB... When he improves as a QB I'll give him more credit.

What are your feelings on Donovan McNabb? If I remember correctly, you were a big McNabb supporter, but he is another QB who couldn't be criticized without the critic being labeled. Did you have the same disdain for McNabb because of this as you do for Tebow?

I was never a big McNabb fan but I thought he was unfairly criticized give the WR talent he had to work with and the philosophy Reid had of passing on every 3rd and inches.

When you look at how much the Eagles pass the ball and how many times they made it to championship games I thought it was a little weird he was getting called out.

Rush saying he couldn't be criticized because he was black was crazy talk...

Everyone says I'm a Manning supporter or a McNabb supporter.. pretty much anything but a Ben supporter because that's who I criticize the most because that's who I watch the most. :lol:

You know what... I just read your name, I probably did come off as a big McNabb fan on the Trib because I lived in Philly for 5 years and they used to blame McNabb when the Phillies lost.

feltdizz
01-12-2012, 02:44 PM
So eloquent, only a Chadman could do it. :)

Tebow is know for his religiousness not for his play.

I'm sorry but I think that is a ridiculous statement. We never would have heard about Tebow except for his stellar play at Florida. The religious thing is just an angle that the media concentrates on. It makes him a bit different than other players. I've hated UF since the Spurrier days and I'm not a fan of religions but this type of attack on Tebow is horrible.

I don't know if any of you remember the Raiders when George Blanda came off the bench and QBed them and kicked winning FGs in something like 5 weeks in a row much the same as Tebow has done this year. That was years ago without the same media scrutiny as today yet Blanda became a household name. I don't know if he was religious or not ... nor do I care.

Ben looks and then points to the sky after every touchdown he throws. Should Ben not be allowed to do that? Ben has also mentioned in many interviews that Christianity is an important part of his life. Again, should he not be allowed to do that?

Let these guys, Tebow included, do what they do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. I hate all the pub about Tebow also, same as I hate the pub of Belichick being the best coach of all time or Peyton being the God of QBs. Yet I love when they say Troy is the best safety or Ben is a great QB. We just have to let this stuff go ... it's going to happen and there's nothing we can do about it.

Now to address the thread. Pouncey just watched his favored team lose to an inferior team. He didn't get to play and now his season is over. Can you say frustrated? He probably shouldn't have tweeted that stuff but give the guy a break. I'm not on the team yet my family knows enough to stay away from me for a few hours after a loss. :lol:

As I stated earlier, Cam Newton had the same accomplishments as Tebow and even mid-season didn't garner half of the attention Tebow did and was playing much better ball. A.J. Yates is a rookie and still in the playoffs, where is his non-stop media attention?

There is only one reason Tebow is in the media ad nauseum..his very open and in your face Christianity. Other players, ie Ben, Troy show their religiousness, but not to the point Tebow does.

If Pouncey was tweeting about Jesus, the same people ridiculing him now, wouldn't care. He tweeted some words others felt were offensive or thug like so they don't approve, but being openly Christian automatically makes you a 'good' guy.

Tebow's over the top in your face Christianity is offensive to some, just as the F word is to others. Using the F word doesn't make you a non team player or a thug as the title of this thread seems to insinuate.

JAR, try to put aside your anti-Christian bias for just a minute. You were the one who created this absurd comparison.

The issues with Pouncey are as follows:

1) He chose to promote a rapper almost immediately after a playoff loss, generating what is easily interpreted as a lack of interest in his team;

2) He chose to do so dropping "f" and "n" bombs; and

3) He attacked his fans after doing so without any real provocation.

My issue with Pouncey isn't so much number two -- I certainly drop my fair share of "f" bombs during an average Steelers game. I can't use the other word that he chose to use, but that is an entirely different issue.

The main issue here, IMO, is that he foolishly promotes a rapper immediately after the game (why the rush -- why not wait a day) and then attacks his fans.

How on earth is that analagous to taking a knee or thanking Jesus in an interview? Please, look at the two completely unrelated issues and consider, just for a second, how absurd you sound and how badly you're reaching for a connection where there is none.

So, if the Broncos lose this weekend and the first thing Tebow does is promote Jesus, that will be OK?

I see what you did... :Cheers

bostonsteeler
01-12-2012, 03:33 PM
Chadman, first, I will agree with you that this topic has gotten out of hand.

Just a technical clarification -- the PG reporter did not have to seek out Pouncey's responses. Any of Pouncey's 54,000+ followers would automatically see his responses. I'm not going to take the time to look through the list, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a few reporters among his followers. What would take effort and legwork is looking at the tweets to which Pouncey was responding -- I took the time and posted those earlier.

Quite frankly, despite over 100 posts on the topic, I fail to see any rational connection between Pouncey's tweets and Tebow.

Dude, you answered yourself.

Pouncey's tweets were primarily to the 54000 people who *chose to follow him*. Any further publicity they got were secondary -- being passed on.

Tebow's obvious exhibition of his religiousness is not to people who follow *him* -- its to everyone who follows the NFL.

The former is not being thrust on anyone other than those who subscribe to having it thrust on them. The latter is just in your face.

A large number of us here, maybe the majority even, are religious in our own way. You wouldn't know it. That's normal. Tebow is not. He's out there somehow trying to show everyone how he is more christian or good or religious than they by his public demonstrations. Its more than annoying, its offensive, not only to the atheists and anti-christian folks, but also to many decent christian folks as well.

A large number of us say stupid things in our own private soapboxes. Pouncey did too. You may not agree with what he said, but its not abnormal behavior for a 22 year old.

I find nothing annoying about Troy -- he thanks his god in a quick gesture and isn't in your face about it.

JAR
01-12-2012, 03:46 PM
Chadman, first, I will agree with you that this topic has gotten out of hand.

Just a technical clarification -- the PG reporter did not have to seek out Pouncey's responses. Any of Pouncey's 54,000+ followers would automatically see his responses. I'm not going to take the time to look through the list, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a few reporters among his followers. What would take effort and legwork is looking at the tweets to which Pouncey was responding -- I took the time and posted those earlier.

Quite frankly, despite over 100 posts on the topic, I fail to see any rational connection between Pouncey's tweets and Tebow.

Dude, you answered yourself.

Pouncey's tweets were primarily to the 54000 people who *chose to follow him*. Any further publicity they got were secondary -- being passed on.

Tebow's obvious exhibition of his religiousness is not to people who follow *him* -- its to everyone who follows the NFL.

The former is not being thrust on anyone other than those who subscribe to having it thrust on them. The latter is just in your face.

A large number of us here, maybe the majority even, are religious in our own way. You wouldn't know it. That's normal. Tebow is not. He's out there somehow trying to show everyone how he is more christian or good or religious than they by his public demonstrations. Its more than annoying, its offensive, not only to the atheists and anti-christian folks, but also to many decent christian folks as well.

A large number of us say stupid things in our own private soapboxes. Pouncey did too. You may not agree with what he said, but its not abnormal behavior for a 22 year old.

I find nothing annoying about Troy -- he thanks his god in a quick gesture and isn't in your face about it.

:Clap :Clap :Clap

Notice how I get an anti-Christian bias label because what Tebow does offends me? "You hate Tebow because he loves God!"

Tebow rams his religion in your face, hell he even had a commercial during the SB last year. Ben, Troy and others do not and it's also not what made them famous.

He's only a media sensation for one reason and one reason only and his promotion of Jesus, before, during and after games is OK by some because being a Christian is the only 'right' thing to do.

phillyesq
01-12-2012, 03:53 PM
Chadman, first, I will agree with you that this topic has gotten out of hand.

Just a technical clarification -- the PG reporter did not have to seek out Pouncey's responses. Any of Pouncey's 54,000+ followers would automatically see his responses. I'm not going to take the time to look through the list, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a few reporters among his followers. What would take effort and legwork is looking at the tweets to which Pouncey was responding -- I took the time and posted those earlier.

Quite frankly, despite over 100 posts on the topic, I fail to see any rational connection between Pouncey's tweets and Tebow.

Dude, you answered yourself.

Pouncey's tweets were primarily to the 54000 people who *chose to follow him*. Any further publicity they got were secondary -- being passed on.

Tebow's obvious exhibition of his religiousness is not to people who follow *him* -- its to everyone who follows the NFL.

The former is not being thrust on anyone other than those who subscribe to having it thrust on them. The latter is just in your face.

A large number of us here, maybe the majority even, are religious in our own way. You wouldn't know it. That's normal. Tebow is not. He's out there somehow trying to show everyone how he is more christian or good or religious than they by his public demonstrations. Its more than annoying, its offensive, not only to the atheists and anti-christian folks, but also to many decent christian folks as well.

A large number of us say stupid things in our own private soapboxes. Pouncey did too. You may not agree with what he said, but its not abnormal behavior for a 22 year old.

I find nothing annoying about Troy -- he thanks his god in a quick gesture and isn't in your face about it.

:Clap :Clap :Clap

Notice how I get an anti-Christian bias label because what Tebow does offends me? "You hate Tebow because he loves God!"

Tebow rams his religion in your face, hell he even had a commercial during the SB last year. Ben, Troy and others do not and it's also not what made them famous.

He's only a media sensation for one reason and one reason only and his promotion of Jesus, before, during and after games is OK by some because being a Christian is the only 'right' thing to do.

You've been pretty explicit that you hate his message and the fact that he conveys it. I don't equate a hate of Tebow with anti-Christianity. But when you go out of your way to say that his Christian message offends you, your bias becomes apparent.

I don't even particularly care for Tebow. I think he throws some of the uggliest passes I've ever seen.

He could take a knee after a game or sacrifice a virgin, but either way, it doesn't change the fact that Pouncey acted like a selfish, immature prick.

phillyesq
01-12-2012, 03:56 PM
Chadman, first, I will agree with you that this topic has gotten out of hand.

Just a technical clarification -- the PG reporter did not have to seek out Pouncey's responses. Any of Pouncey's 54,000+ followers would automatically see his responses. I'm not going to take the time to look through the list, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a few reporters among his followers. What would take effort and legwork is looking at the tweets to which Pouncey was responding -- I took the time and posted those earlier.

Quite frankly, despite over 100 posts on the topic, I fail to see any rational connection between Pouncey's tweets and Tebow.

Dude, you answered yourself.

Pouncey's tweets were primarily to the 54000 people who *chose to follow him*. Any further publicity they got were secondary -- being passed on.

Tebow's obvious exhibition of his religiousness is not to people who follow *him* -- its to everyone who follows the NFL.

The former is not being thrust on anyone other than those who subscribe to having it thrust on them. The latter is just in your face.

A large number of us here, maybe the majority even, are religious in our own way. You wouldn't know it. That's normal. Tebow is not. He's out there somehow trying to show everyone how he is more christian or good or religious than they by his public demonstrations. Its more than annoying, its offensive, not only to the atheists and anti-christian folks, but also to many decent christian folks as well.

A large number of us say stupid things in our own private soapboxes. Pouncey did too. You may not agree with what he said, but its not abnormal behavior for a 22 year old.

I find nothing annoying about Troy -- he thanks his god in a quick gesture and isn't in your face about it.

Pouncey is a public figure. If he didn't see the reaction to the tweets of Mendenhall and Santonio and expect that anything he said would be publicized, he's dumber than he appears from his twitter account.

phillyesq
01-12-2012, 03:58 PM
So, if the Broncos lose this weekend and the first thing Tebow does is promote Jesus, that will be OK?

The first thing he always does is give thanks, then talks about his teammates, then the outcome of the game. It's not at all the same situation. You're grasping for a connection where there is none.

feltdizz
01-12-2012, 03:58 PM
Fans should be able to not like Tebow without getting called anti-christian.

phillyesq
01-12-2012, 03:59 PM
Fans should be able to not like Tebow without getting called anti-christian.

I completely agree, but I don't see where this is the case. The talk all week leading up to the game was about how he's a terrible qb -- nobody said anything about that being anti-Christian.

JAR
01-12-2012, 04:01 PM
Chadman, first, I will agree with you that this topic has gotten out of hand.

Just a technical clarification -- the PG reporter did not have to seek out Pouncey's responses. Any of Pouncey's 54,000+ followers would automatically see his responses. I'm not going to take the time to look through the list, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a few reporters among his followers. What would take effort and legwork is looking at the tweets to which Pouncey was responding -- I took the time and posted those earlier.

Quite frankly, despite over 100 posts on the topic, I fail to see any rational connection between Pouncey's tweets and Tebow.

Dude, you answered yourself.

Pouncey's tweets were primarily to the 54000 people who *chose to follow him*. Any further publicity they got were secondary -- being passed on.

Tebow's obvious exhibition of his religiousness is not to people who follow *him* -- its to everyone who follows the NFL.

The former is not being thrust on anyone other than those who subscribe to having it thrust on them. The latter is just in your face.

A large number of us here, maybe the majority even, are religious in our own way. You wouldn't know it. That's normal. Tebow is not. He's out there somehow trying to show everyone how he is more christian or good or religious than they by his public demonstrations. Its more than annoying, its offensive, not only to the atheists and anti-christian folks, but also to many decent christian folks as well.

A large number of us say stupid things in our own private soapboxes. Pouncey did too. You may not agree with what he said, but its not abnormal behavior for a 22 year old.

I find nothing annoying about Troy -- he thanks his god in a quick gesture and isn't in your face about it.

:Clap :Clap :Clap

Notice how I get an anti-Christian bias label because what Tebow does offends me? "You hate Tebow because he loves God!"

Tebow rams his religion in your face, hell he even had a commercial during the SB last year. Ben, Troy and others do not and it's also not what made them famous.

He's only a media sensation for one reason and one reason only and his promotion of Jesus, before, during and after games is OK by some because being a Christian is the only 'right' thing to do.

You've been pretty explicit that you hate his message and the fact that he conveys it. I don't equate a hate of Tebow with anti-Christianity. But when you go out of your way to say that his Christian message offends you, your bias becomes apparent.

I don't even particularly care for Tebow. I think he throws some of the uggliest passes I've ever seen.

He could take a knee after a game or sacrifice a virgin, but either way, it doesn't change the fact that Pouncey acted like a selfish, immature prick.

and where have I have I ever said I was offended by any other athlete expressing themselves religiously? Ben, Troy and hundreds of others do it, but subtly, no problem. Tebow does not...he crams it in your face.

Heck, they are selling Bronco Jesus #15 jerseys.

You could also say that Tebow is a selfish prick by using his media attention to push his beliefs on to others. At least Pouncey only does it to those who want to hear what he says.

feltdizz
01-12-2012, 04:03 PM
Fans should be able to not like Tebow without getting called anti-christian.

I completely agree, but I don't see where this is the case. The talk all week leading up to the game was about how he's a terrible qb -- nobody said anything about that being anti-Christian.

It's a popular accusation among Tebow fans....

On Pittsburgh's The Fan I heard it a few times from callers and on Sports Radio in Charlotte it's a common accusation from fans who call in.

I know Tebow is a popular subject so he gets a ton of pub just to get calls but it sure seems like anyone who thinks he is bad doesn't like the "good guy.. or the Big Guy"

steelz09
01-12-2012, 04:11 PM
I don't *think* I follow Pouncey. With that being said, I didn't hear about the tweets until reading it on this forum.

Here is the problem I have with Pouncey.

Most fans I know were devastated about the loss. They were pissed off, disappointed, and embarassed. These are FANS. I'm just a bit shocked that instead of tweeting something about the game, he finds the need to promote a rapper. Ok, take rapper out of it. He's promoting (via tweets) a "product" that has nothing to do with his team or the game.

Really Pouncey? You're a great player but you could be better. You know how many times I saw Ben almost get killed this year because you either picked up the wrong guy or just missed someone altogether. You didn't deserve a pro bowl selection. Now that's a fact.

Pouncey.. make this twice you missed the playoffs. Pouncey, how do you feel that a QB played with the same injury as you. A QB! You want to act tough in front of fans. How about you man up and play hurt like your QB was doing (w/ the same injury). How many times do I need to watch you limp off the field like a pansy because of your ankle sprains. Your QB manned up in the Cleveland game. Where were you?

I could go on and on... But what really bothers me is how condescending he was to a fan. Pouncey, consider yourself lucky to be blessed with size, speed, athleticism, etc. Some people have the heart and skills to play good football. However, some of those people get hurt, never are given the chance, or just don't have the genetic makeup that you do. Does that make them inferior because you play for the NFL. Some people are born with a gift and that gift is having the right genetic make-up. Let's face it, you may have talent & heart but that can only get you so far. Size, speed, athleticism, etc is all measured at every level especially college and pros.

To summarize, some of these athletes just need to shut their mouth and play football. Social media just escalates things. I don't want to hear them cry about "I can't feed my family on 6 million/year, I need 8" and BS like that. Don't they realize how much of a slap in the face that is to 99% of the population.

Pouncey's comments were unacceptable and immature. It reminds me of the "I'm better than you are" 2nd grade crap. Comments like that make me wish that Pouncey loses all of his money after his playing days and has to work a "regular" job for years and years. Then we'll see how he fairs in the real world. When the same people he was just being condescending to are now his boss telling him what to do and when to do it. He was being condescending to the people that support his job & salary. People like you and me that work hard for a living to fly to Pittsburgh, pay $200+ dollars for a ticket, hotel, food, drinks, etc to watch these guys play. Yes, they PLAY A GAME for a living and get paid millions for it.. Us fans, pay dearly for us to watch them PLAY A GAME. Now, he has the balls to be condescending to the same blue collar people that pay his salary. No Fans = No Franchises = No NFL = No Money for Mr. Pouncey.

JAR
01-12-2012, 04:11 PM
Anyway, Pouncey is having or had surgery on his ankle today. Maybe it's fake surgery. :D

Shawn
01-12-2012, 04:14 PM
After reading much of the thoughts on Tebow and his "religiosity", I was left with a few thoughts. There is a natural skepticism about anyone who wears their religion on their sleeve. It comes from years of seeing people act and react like hypocrites within organized religion. It also comes from a natural dislike for others trying to control...and with that threats if you are not willing to be controlled. It also comes from those who use religion for self promotion, or as a business venture. I get it, I really do.

With that said, we live in a society where we have become tolerant of all sorts of behaviors, opinions and lifestyles. We celebrate these lifestyles, behaviors etc in movies and media. Those who are made uncomfortable by these lifestyles are labeled biggots. But, those who are "too open" with their religious beliefs can be verbally abused, their actions/motives questioned, and characters attacked without warrant. How is this ok?

Personally, I have a high tolerance for lifestyles, belief systems and the expressions of these within the context of legal expression. That is what makes the world go around. I love the diversity of mankind. That includes those who want to wear their religious beliefs on their sleeve.

On a more personal note, I would hate to think that I am personally judged because I enjoy encouraging those who share my faith. I don't go door to door, or speak to people about Christ without a door being opened. But, I love using vehicles like facebook to encourage those who share my beliefs. I have friends on my facebook who are atheists, homosexuals, agnostics, etc. I would like to believe they respect my freedom to express myself, as I respect their right to be who they chose to be. For me, that's what this is about...this life thing. It's not about how we treat our family, and those who see things like we see things. It's about how we treat those we disagree with, those who are outside our circle, and those we might not ever desire to associate with.

Just my 2 cents.

phillyesq
01-12-2012, 04:20 PM
I don't *think* I follow Pouncey. With that being said, I didn't hear about the tweets until reading it on this forum.

Here is the problem I have with Pouncey.

Most fans I know were devastated about the loss. They were pissed off, disappointed, and embarassed. These are FANS. I'm just a bit shocked that instead of tweeting something about the game, he finds the need to promote a rapper. Ok, take rapper out of it. He's promoting (via tweets) a "product" that has nothing to do with his team or the game.

Really Pouncey? You're a great player but you could be better. You know how many times I saw Ben almost get killed this year because you either picked up the wrong guy or just missed someone altogether. You didn't deserve a pro bowl selection. Now that's a fact.

Pouncey.. make this twice you missed the playoffs. Pouncey, how do you feel that a QB played with the same injury as you. A QB! You want to act tough in front of fans. How about you man up and play hurt like your QB was doing (w/ the same injury). How many times do I need to watch you limp off the field like a pansy because of your ankle sprains. Your QB manned up in the Cleveland game. Where were you?

I could go on and on... But what really bothers me is how condescending he was to a fan. Pouncey, consider yourself lucky to be blessed with size, speed, athleticism, etc. Some people have the heart and skills to play good football. However, some of those people get hurt, never are given the chance, or just don't have the genetic makeup that you do. Does that make them inferior because you play for the NFL. Some people are born with a gift and that gift is having the right genetic make-up. Let's face it, you may have talent & heart but that can only get you so far. Size, speed, athleticism, etc is all measured at every level especially college and pros.

To summarize, some of these athletes just need to shut their mouth and play football. Social media just escalates things. I don't want to hear them cry about "I can't feed my family on 6 million/year, I need 8" and BS like that. Don't they realize how much of a slap in the face that is to 99% of the population.

Pouncey's comments were unacceptable and immature. It reminds me of the "I'm better than you are" 2nd grade crap. Comments like that make me wish that Pouncey loses all of his money after his playing days and has to work a "regular" job for years and years. Then we'll see how he fairs in the real world. When the same people he was just being condescending to are now his boss telling him what to do and when to do it. He was being condescending to the people that support his job & salary. People like you and me that work hard for a living to fly to Pittsburgh, pay $200+ dollars for a ticket, hotel, food, drinks, etc to watch these guys play. Yes, they PLAY A GAME for a living and get paid millions for it.. Us fans, pay dearly for us to watch them PLAY A GAME. Now, he has the balls to be condescending to the same blue collar people that pay his salary. No Fans = No Franchises = No NFL = No Money for Mr. Pouncey.

:Clap :Clap :Clap :Clap :Clap

phillyesq
01-12-2012, 04:21 PM
Fans should be able to not like Tebow without getting called anti-christian.

I completely agree, but I don't see where this is the case. The talk all week leading up to the game was about how he's a terrible qb -- nobody said anything about that being anti-Christian.

It's a popular accusation among Tebow fans....

On Pittsburgh's The Fan I heard it a few times from callers and on Sports Radio in Charlotte it's a common accusation from fans who call in.

I know Tebow is a popular subject so he gets a ton of pub just to get calls but it sure seems like anyone who thinks he is bad doesn't like the "good guy.. or the Big Guy"

Nice straw man argument there, but how is that related to Pouncey, which is where this thread began?

JAR
01-12-2012, 04:22 PM
After reading much of the thoughts on Tebow and his "religiosity", I was left with a few thoughts. There is a natural skepticism about anyone who wears their religion on their sleeve. It comes from years of seeing people act and react like hypocrites within organized religion. It also comes from a natural dislike for others trying to control...and with that threats if you are not willing to be controlled. It also comes from those who use religion for self promotion, or as a business venture. I get it, I really do.

With that said, we live in a society where we have become tolerant of all sorts of behaviors, opinions and lifestyles. We celebrate these lifestyles, behaviors etc in movies and media. Those who are made uncomfortable by these lifestyles are labeled biggots. But, those who are "too open" with their religious beliefs can be verbally abused, their actions/motives questioned, and characters attacked without warrant. How is this ok?

Personally, I have a high tolerance for lifestyles, belief systems and the expressions of these within the context of legal expression. That is what makes the world go around. I love the diversity of mankind. That includes those who want to wear their religious beliefs on their sleeve.

On a more personal note, I would hate to think that I am personally judged because I enjoy encouraging those who share my faith. I don't go door to door, or speak to people about Christ without a door being opened. But, I love using vehicles like facebook to encourage those who share my beliefs. I have friends on my facebook who are atheists, homosexuals, agnostics, etc. I would like to believe they respect my freedom to express myself, as I respect their right to be who they chose to be. For me, that's what this is about...this life thing. It's not about how we treat our family, and those who see things like we see things. It's about how we treat those we disagree with, those who are outside our circle, and those we might not ever desire to associate with.

Just my 2 cents.

You are correct and that was a great post.

My whole problem stems from the fact that Pouncey is labeled a thug or not a team player because he tweets the F word and promotes a rap album.

On the other hand, there is Tebow, he is great, he's a national sensation, not because he can play football, but because he's a good old Christian boy. Considered the only type of person you should be by far too many people in this country.

Oviedo
01-12-2012, 04:27 PM
After reading much of the thoughts on Tebow and his "religiosity", I was left with a few thoughts. There is a natural skepticism about anyone who wears their religion on their sleeve. It comes from years of seeing people act and react like hypocrites within organized religion. It also comes from a natural dislike for others trying to control...and with that threats if you are not willing to be controlled. It also comes from those who use religion for self promotion, or as a business venture. I get it, I really do.

With that said, we live in a society where we have become tolerant of all sorts of behaviors, opinions and lifestyles. We celebrate these lifestyles, behaviors etc in movies and media. Those who are made uncomfortable by these lifestyles are labeled biggots. But, those who are "too open" with their religious beliefs can be verbally abused, their actions/motives questioned, and characters attacked without warrant. How is this ok?

Personally, I have a high tolerance for lifestyles, belief systems and the expressions of these within the context of legal expression. That is what makes the world go around. I love the diversity of mankind. That includes those who want to wear their religious beliefs on their sleeve.

On a more personal note, I would hate to think that I am personally judged because I enjoy encouraging those who share my faith. I don't go door to door, or speak to people about Christ without a door being opened. But, I love using vehicles like facebook to encourage those who share my beliefs. I have friends on my facebook who are atheists, homosexuals, agnostics, etc. I would like to believe they respect my freedom to express myself, as I respect their right to be who they chose to be. For me, that's what this is about...this life thing. It's not about how we treat our family, and those who see things like we see things. It's about how we treat those we disagree with, those who are outside our circle, and those we might not ever desire to associate with.

Just my 2 cents.

You are correct and that was a great post.

My whole problem stems from the fact that Pouncey is labeled a thug or not a team player because he tweets the F word and promotes a rap album.

On the other hand, there is Tebow, he is great, he's a national sensation, not because he can play football, but because he's a good old Christian boy. Considered the only type of person you should be by far too many people in this country.

He should just go out and shoot at police helicopters like Ernie Holmes. Talk about "Much ado about NOTHING"

Who care what he says and when. Anyone who follows another grown man on Twitter needs to deal with some other issues in their life.

feltdizz
01-12-2012, 05:09 PM
Fans should be able to not like Tebow without getting called anti-christian.

I completely agree, but I don't see where this is the case. The talk all week leading up to the game was about how he's a terrible qb -- nobody said anything about that being anti-Christian.

It's a popular accusation among Tebow fans....

On Pittsburgh's The Fan I heard it a few times from callers and on Sports Radio in Charlotte it's a common accusation from fans who call in.

I know Tebow is a popular subject so he gets a ton of pub just to get calls but it sure seems like anyone who thinks he is bad doesn't like the "good guy.. or the Big Guy"

Nice straw man argument there, but how is that related to Pouncey, which is where this thread began?

I have no idea..

someone else made a pretty good case for but to be honest I just like bashing Tebow because of the reason's I mentioned earlier. I have no shame in my hate for the Tebow hype.

Some people don't like Manning, some don't like Brady... and it's not because they aren't good QB's.

I've hated the Tebow hype since college and I also hated the Tyler Hansbrough hype at the same time.

I hate anyone who gets the "he works harder than anyone else I've ever known" label.
:D

feltdizz
01-12-2012, 05:10 PM
After reading much of the thoughts on Tebow and his "religiosity", I was left with a few thoughts. There is a natural skepticism about anyone who wears their religion on their sleeve. It comes from years of seeing people act and react like hypocrites within organized religion. It also comes from a natural dislike for others trying to control...and with that threats if you are not willing to be controlled. It also comes from those who use religion for self promotion, or as a business venture. I get it, I really do.

With that said, we live in a society where we have become tolerant of all sorts of behaviors, opinions and lifestyles. We celebrate these lifestyles, behaviors etc in movies and media. Those who are made uncomfortable by these lifestyles are labeled biggots. But, those who are "too open" with their religious beliefs can be verbally abused, their actions/motives questioned, and characters attacked without warrant. How is this ok?

Personally, I have a high tolerance for lifestyles, belief systems and the expressions of these within the context of legal expression. That is what makes the world go around. I love the diversity of mankind. That includes those who want to wear their religious beliefs on their sleeve.

On a more personal note, I would hate to think that I am personally judged because I enjoy encouraging those who share my faith. I don't go door to door, or speak to people about Christ without a door being opened. But, I love using vehicles like facebook to encourage those who share my beliefs. I have friends on my facebook who are atheists, homosexuals, agnostics, etc. I would like to believe they respect my freedom to express myself, as I respect their right to be who they chose to be. For me, that's what this is about...this life thing. It's not about how we treat our family, and those who see things like we see things. It's about how we treat those we disagree with, those who are outside our circle, and those we might not ever desire to associate with.

Just my 2 cents.

You are correct and that was a great post.

My whole problem stems from the fact that Pouncey is labeled a thug or not a team player because he tweets the F word and promotes a rap album.

On the other hand, there is Tebow, he is great, he's a national sensation, not because he can play football, but because he's a good old Christian boy. Considered the only type of person you should be by far too many people in this country.

He should just go out and shoot at police helicopters like Ernie Holmes. Talk about "Much ado about NOTHING"

Who care what he says and when. Anyone who follows another grown man on Twitter needs to deal with some other issues in their life.

:Clap

Lebsteel
01-12-2012, 05:20 PM
Chadman, first, I will agree with you that this topic has gotten out of hand.

Just a technical clarification -- the PG reporter did not have to seek out Pouncey's responses. Any of Pouncey's 54,000+ followers would automatically see his responses. I'm not going to take the time to look through the list, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a few reporters among his followers. What would take effort and legwork is looking at the tweets to which Pouncey was responding -- I took the time and posted those earlier.

Quite frankly, despite over 100 posts on the topic, I fail to see any rational connection between Pouncey's tweets and Tebow.

Dude, you answered yourself.

Pouncey's tweets were primarily to the 54000 people who *chose to follow him*. Any further publicity they got were secondary -- being passed on.

Tebow's obvious exhibition of his religiousness is not to people who follow *him* -- its to everyone who follows the NFL.

The former is not being thrust on anyone other than those who subscribe to having it thrust on them. The latter is just in your face.

A large number of us here, maybe the majority even, are religious in our own way. You wouldn't know it. That's normal. Tebow is not. He's out there somehow trying to show everyone how he is more christian or good or religious than they by his public demonstrations. Its more than annoying, its offensive, not only to the atheists and anti-christian folks, but also to many decent christian folks as well.

A large number of us say stupid things in our own private soapboxes. Pouncey did too. You may not agree with what he said, but its not abnormal behavior for a 22 year old.

I find nothing annoying about Troy -- he thanks his god in a quick gesture and isn't in your face about it.

:Clap :Clap :Clap

Notice how I get an anti-Christian bias label because what Tebow does offends me? "You hate Tebow because he loves God!"

Tebow rams his religion in your face, hell he even had a commercial during the SB last year. Ben, Troy and others do not and it's also not what made them famous.

He's only a media sensation for one reason and one reason only and his promotion of Jesus, before, during and after games is OK by some because being a Christian is the only 'right' thing to do.
JAR, when has Tebow ever "rammed his religion" in your face? Have you met him and had him do this to you? Have you ever had him scream his religion in your face? NO. It is not Tim Tebow. It is the MEDIA. Tebow is no more open about his faith than many other athletes who profess Christianity. It is the hype of the MEDIA. Your point about Tebow being known for his religion is absurd. Totally absurd. Maybe that is your point, to try and blow up the board with asinine comments. If that is your goal, well done!

So, you have the right to hate anyone you would like. You have the right to be anti-Christian, anti-Buddhist or whatever, but you are DEAD WRONG on the point you are weakly trying to make. Do not blame Tim Tebow for the MEDIA hype.

phillyesq
01-12-2012, 05:23 PM
I have no idea..

someone else made a pretty good case for but to be honest I just like bashing Tebow because of the reason's I mentioned earlier. I have no shame in my hate for the Tebow hype.

Some people don't like Manning, some don't like Brady... and it's not because they aren't good QB's.

I've hated the Tebow hype since college and I also hated the Tyler Hansbrough hype at the same time.

I hate anyone who gets the "he works harder than anyone else I've ever known" label.
:D

I can respect a dislike for Tebow, and I'm not a fan myself. I was certainly disappointed that James Harrison wasn't able to line him up.

My bigger issue was with JAR's position that somehow Pouncey's comments were related to Tebow.

JAR
01-12-2012, 05:26 PM
Chadman, first, I will agree with you that this topic has gotten out of hand.

Just a technical clarification -- the PG reporter did not have to seek out Pouncey's responses. Any of Pouncey's 54,000+ followers would automatically see his responses. I'm not going to take the time to look through the list, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a few reporters among his followers. What would take effort and legwork is looking at the tweets to which Pouncey was responding -- I took the time and posted those earlier.

Quite frankly, despite over 100 posts on the topic, I fail to see any rational connection between Pouncey's tweets and Tebow.

Dude, you answered yourself.

Pouncey's tweets were primarily to the 54000 people who *chose to follow him*. Any further publicity they got were secondary -- being passed on.

Tebow's obvious exhibition of his religiousness is not to people who follow *him* -- its to everyone who follows the NFL.

The former is not being thrust on anyone other than those who subscribe to having it thrust on them. The latter is just in your face.

A large number of us here, maybe the majority even, are religious in our own way. You wouldn't know it. That's normal. Tebow is not. He's out there somehow trying to show everyone how he is more christian or good or religious than they by his public demonstrations. Its more than annoying, its offensive, not only to the atheists and anti-christian folks, but also to many decent christian folks as well.

A large number of us say stupid things in our own private soapboxes. Pouncey did too. You may not agree with what he said, but its not abnormal behavior for a 22 year old.

I find nothing annoying about Troy -- he thanks his god in a quick gesture and isn't in your face about it.

:Clap :Clap :Clap

Notice how I get an anti-Christian bias label because what Tebow does offends me? "You hate Tebow because he loves God!"

Tebow rams his religion in your face, hell he even had a commercial during the SB last year. Ben, Troy and others do not and it's also not what made them famous.

He's only a media sensation for one reason and one reason only and his promotion of Jesus, before, during and after games is OK by some because being a Christian is the only 'right' thing to do.
JAR, when has Tebow ever "rammed his religion" in your face? Have you met him and had him do this to you? Have you ever had him scream his religion in your face? NO. It is not Tim Tebow. It is the MEDIA. Tebow is no more open about his faith than many other athletes who profess Christianity. It is the hype of the MEDIA. Your point about Tebow being known for his religion is absurd. Totally absurd. Maybe that is your point, to try and blow up the board with asinine comments. If that is your goal, well done!

So, you have the right to hate anyone you would like. You have the right to be anti-Christian, anti-Buddhist or whatever, but you are DEAD WRONG on the point you are weakly trying to make. Do not blame Tim Tebow for the MEDIA hype.

Umm, what about his SB commercial last year? Every time he opens his mouth it's promoting Jesus.

Lebsteel
01-12-2012, 05:27 PM
I have no idea..

someone else made a pretty good case for but to be honest I just like bashing Tebow because of the reason's I mentioned earlier. I have no shame in my hate for the Tebow hype.

Some people don't like Manning, some don't like Brady... and it's not because they aren't good QB's.

I've hated the Tebow hype since college and I also hated the Tyler Hansbrough hype at the same time.

I hate anyone who gets the "he works harder than anyone else I've ever known" label.
:D

I can respect a dislike for Tebow, and I'm not a fan myself. I was certainly disappointed that James Harrison wasn't able to line him up.
My bigger issue was with JAR's position that somehow Pouncey's comments were related to Tebow.
Yea, really, I wanted to see Harrison and Woodley nail Tebow as well. Harrison looked drugged on some of those rollouts by Tebow. How many times did he stare inside for the RB as Tebow ran around him with the ball. THAT was disgusting!

JAR
01-12-2012, 05:28 PM
I have no idea..

someone else made a pretty good case for but to be honest I just like bashing Tebow because of the reason's I mentioned earlier. I have no shame in my hate for the Tebow hype.

Some people don't like Manning, some don't like Brady... and it's not because they aren't good QB's.

I've hated the Tebow hype since college and I also hated the Tyler Hansbrough hype at the same time.

I hate anyone who gets the "he works harder than anyone else I've ever known" label.
:D

I can respect a dislike for Tebow, and I'm not a fan myself. I was certainly disappointed that James Harrison wasn't able to line him up.

My bigger issue was with JAR's position that somehow Pouncey's comments were related to Tebow.

They aren't freaking related. It's two separate people expressing their thoughts, one you have a problem with, one you don't.

That's why I brought up the comparison. Tebow can go on ad nauseum on TV about Jesus, Pouncey tweets a couple of thoughts and he's a thug, not a team player. Get it???

I'll also make a wager that when his season is over, he's out stumping for one of the presidential candidates for the same reason that already made him a 'star'.

phillyesq
01-12-2012, 05:41 PM
I have no idea..

someone else made a pretty good case for but to be honest I just like bashing Tebow because of the reason's I mentioned earlier. I have no shame in my hate for the Tebow hype.

Some people don't like Manning, some don't like Brady... and it's not because they aren't good QB's.

I've hated the Tebow hype since college and I also hated the Tyler Hansbrough hype at the same time.

I hate anyone who gets the "he works harder than anyone else I've ever known" label.
:D

I can respect a dislike for Tebow, and I'm not a fan myself. I was certainly disappointed that James Harrison wasn't able to line him up.

My bigger issue was with JAR's position that somehow Pouncey's comments were related to Tebow.

They aren't freaking related. It's two separate people expressing their thoughts, one you have a problem with, one you don't.

That's why I brought up the comparison. Tebow can go on ad nauseum on TV about Jesus, Pouncey tweets a couple of thoughts and he's a thug, not a team player. Get it???

And again, has Tebow shown an disinterest in his team? Or opened himself up to his actions being construed as disinterest? Has he insulted his fans?

Apparently, you don't like the substance of Tebow's message, but you support Pouncey's "message." If so, that's truly sad and pathetic.

JAR
01-12-2012, 05:58 PM
I have no idea..

someone else made a pretty good case for but to be honest I just like bashing Tebow because of the reason's I mentioned earlier. I have no shame in my hate for the Tebow hype.

Some people don't like Manning, some don't like Brady... and it's not because they aren't good QB's.

I've hated the Tebow hype since college and I also hated the Tyler Hansbrough hype at the same time.

I hate anyone who gets the "he works harder than anyone else I've ever known" label.
:D

I can respect a dislike for Tebow, and I'm not a fan myself. I was certainly disappointed that James Harrison wasn't able to line him up.

My bigger issue was with JAR's position that somehow Pouncey's comments were related to Tebow.

They aren't freaking related. It's two separate people expressing their thoughts, one you have a problem with, one you don't.

That's why I brought up the comparison. Tebow can go on ad nauseum on TV about Jesus, Pouncey tweets a couple of thoughts and he's a thug, not a team player. Get it???

And again, has Tebow shown an disinterest in his team? Or opened himself up to his actions being construed as disinterest? Has he insulted his fans?

Apparently, you don't like the substance of Tebow's message, but you support Pouncey's "message." If so, that's truly sad and pathetic.

There are a lot of Broncos fans who are insulted by Tebow because of his over zealous religiousness. Read some of the Broncos boards. Here is just one small example.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bronco-F ... &filter=12 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bronco-Fans-who-hate-Tebow/260489603987324?sk=wall&filter=12)

Thanking Jesus after a win doesn't show any disinterest in your team? Did Jesus win the game or did the team? There is no 'I" in Jesus. :D

Did I ever say I supported Pouncey's message anymore than I do Tebows? No, read again. I'm saying that Pouncey is labeled a thug for expressing himself but Tebow is holier than thou for doing the same.

2 people, two separate instances of expressing themselves, one is OK, because it's Christian like, the other is not.

I'm done.

Lebsteel
01-12-2012, 06:04 PM
Chadman, first, I will agree with you that this topic has gotten out of hand.

Just a technical clarification -- the PG reporter did not have to seek out Pouncey's responses. Any of Pouncey's 54,000+ followers would automatically see his responses. I'm not going to take the time to look through the list, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a few reporters among his followers. What would take effort and legwork is looking at the tweets to which Pouncey was responding -- I took the time and posted those earlier.

Quite frankly, despite over 100 posts on the topic, I fail to see any rational connection between Pouncey's tweets and Tebow.

Dude, you answered yourself.

Pouncey's tweets were primarily to the 54000 people who *chose to follow him*. Any further publicity they got were secondary -- being passed on.

Tebow's obvious exhibition of his religiousness is not to people who follow *him* -- its to everyone who follows the NFL.

The former is not being thrust on anyone other than those who subscribe to having it thrust on them. The latter is just in your face.

A large number of us here, maybe the majority even, are religious in our own way. You wouldn't know it. That's normal. Tebow is not. He's out there somehow trying to show everyone how he is more christian or good or religious than they by his public demonstrations. Its more than annoying, its offensive, not only to the atheists and anti-christian folks, but also to many decent christian folks as well.

A large number of us say stupid things in our own private soapboxes. Pouncey did too. You may not agree with what he said, but its not abnormal behavior for a 22 year old.

I find nothing annoying about Troy -- he thanks his god in a quick gesture and isn't in your face about it.

:Clap :Clap :Clap

Notice how I get an anti-Christian bias label because what Tebow does offends me? "You hate Tebow because he loves God!"

Tebow rams his religion in your face, hell he even had a commercial during the SB last year. Ben, Troy and others do not and it's also not what made them famous.

He's only a media sensation for one reason and one reason only and his promotion of Jesus, before, during and after games is OK by some because being a Christian is the only 'right' thing to do.
JAR, when has Tebow ever "rammed his religion" in your face? Have you met him and had him do this to you? Have you ever had him scream his religion in your face? NO. It is not Tim Tebow. It is the MEDIA. Tebow is no more open about his faith than many other athletes who profess Christianity. It is the hype of the MEDIA. Your point about Tebow being known for his religion is absurd. Totally absurd. Maybe that is your point, to try and blow up the board with asinine comments. If that is your goal, well done!

So, you have the right to hate anyone you would like. You have the right to be anti-Christian, anti-Buddhist or whatever, but you are DEAD WRONG on the point you are weakly trying to make. Do not blame Tim Tebow for the MEDIA hype.

Umm, what about his SB commercial last year? Every time he opens his mouth it's promoting Jesus.
WOW! This Super Bowl ad? How do you think this promotes Jesus? Did Tebow mention Jesus here? Did he promote Christianity here? Do you think all other religions have opposing views? The ad is about abortion! C'mon JAR!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqReTDJSdhE

JAR
01-12-2012, 06:11 PM
Umm, what about his SB commercial last year? Every time he opens his mouth it's promoting Jesus.
WOW! This Super Bowl ad? How do you think this promotes Jesus? Did Tebow mention Jesus here? Did he promote Christianity here? Do you think all other religions have opposing views? The ad is about abortion! C'mon JAR!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqReTDJSdhE[
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Yeah and the ad is directly related to his religion.

Focus on the Family (FOTF, or FotF) is an American evangelical Christian tax-exempt non-profit organization founded in 1977 by psychologist James Dobson, and is based in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Focus on the Family is one of a number of evangelical parachurch organizations that rose to prominence in the 1980s. A component of the American Christian right, it is active in promoting interdenominational work toward its views on social conservative public policy. Focus on the Family is also currently the primary sponsor for Phil Vischer's JellyTelly.

Lebsteel
01-12-2012, 06:45 PM
Umm, what about his SB commercial last year? Every time he opens his mouth it's promoting Jesus.
WOW! This Super Bowl ad? How do you think this promotes Jesus? Did Tebow mention Jesus here? Did he promote Christianity here? Do you think all other religions have opposing views? The ad is about abortion! C'mon JAR!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqReTDJSdhE[



Yeah and the ad is directly related to his religion.


Focus on the Family (FOTF, or FotF) is an American evangelical Christian tax-exempt non-profit organization founded in 1977 by psychologist James Dobson, and is based in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Focus on the Family is one of a number of evangelical parachurch organizations that rose to prominence in the 1980s. A component of the American Christian right, it is active in promoting interdenominational work toward its views on social conservative public policy. Focus on the Family is also currently the primary sponsor for Phil Vischer's JellyTelly.[/quote]

Yea, OK, IF you support women's freedom of choice or abortion, then I can see you being offended by that ad. But, you were obviously offended because Tim Tebow was in that ad. But, hey, you have that right! This is America. No problem. Read what I highlighted in your quote of Focus on the Family. That is what Tebow was promoting in the ad. He was not ramming his religion in your face. Ah, it is not worth arguing the point with you....

feltdizz
01-12-2012, 06:54 PM
That ad pretty much sums up why some peole can't stand Tebow. Has there ever been a college player in a SB ad before playing one down in the NFL?

Lebsteel
01-12-2012, 07:57 PM
That ad pretty much sums up why some peole can't stand Tebow. Has there ever been a college player in a SB ad before playing one down in the NFL?
Good point. Jealousy and envy make people do weird things...so I guess that could be why some people resent him.

JTP53609
01-12-2012, 08:21 PM
so people have a problem with Tebow because he does a quick prayer that the media has to catch on tape and before every interview he thanks Jesus for a few seconds. But I guess it is okay when Troy does the sign of the cross 500 times a game only because he is a Steeler.

Tebow is a guy that yes is quite corny at times, but the man has morals, he does mission trips in the offseason, is quite active with charities and community programs, but people are insulted by him because he thanks Jesus Christ before interviews. WOW!!

I guess listening to Pacman Jones who punches women in the face, shoots bodyguards and gets arrested at the drop of a hate is much more less annoying than hearing about Tebow.

I just cannot believe there is so much hate for a guy that does things the right way, meanwhile people who break the law and get chance after chance are the ones that fans cheer for, give me a break! I never really cared about Tebow, but I have turned into a fan with all the crap he gets for simply taking a knee and praying, and the whole "he knows he is on camera, and that is why he is doing it" is complete garbage, he may know he is on camera, but he has always done this, hate someone that is an idiot, not someone who has never hurt a fly.

JAR
01-12-2012, 08:45 PM
so people have a problem with Tebow because he does a quick prayer that the media has to catch on tape and before every interview he thanks Jesus for a few seconds. But I guess it is okay when Troy does the sign of the cross 500 times a game only because he is a Steeler.

Tebow is a guy that yes is quite corny at times, but the man has morals, he does mission trips in the offseason, is quite active with charities and community programs, but people are insulted by him because he thanks Jesus Christ before interviews. WOW!!

I guess listening to Pacman Jones who punches women in the face, shoots bodyguards and gets arrested at the drop of a hate is much more less annoying than hearing about Tebow.

I just cannot believe there is so much hate for a guy that does things the right way, meanwhile people who break the law and get chance after chance are the ones that fans cheer for, give me a break! I never really cared about Tebow, but I have turned into a fan with all the crap he gets for simply taking a knee and praying, and the whole "he knows he is on camera, and that is why he is doing it" is complete garbage, he may know he is on camera, but he has always done this, hate someone that is an idiot, not someone who has never hurt a fly.

But because Pouncey tweets some 'words' not approved by some people that makes him a thug or a non-team player? Pouncey has done a lot too for charities, etc and just because he tweets *uck and not Jesus doesn't make him out to be what the start of this thread was all about.

Chadman
01-12-2012, 08:50 PM
CRIKEY!

Ok, everyone take 1 step back for a second. The longer this debate goes, the further from the point being made we get.


Pouncey's 'tweet' & Tebow's "Tebowing" are NOT related messeges.

That was not, will not be, and never was the point.

The point was, in it's simplest terms, that Pouncey's 'tweet', as dumb as it may be, was not made as a public specticle, it was made on a forum of people who CHOOSE to follow his thoughts. Being offended by Pouncey promoting a rapper directly after a game IS THE ISSUE. These people that took offense to Pouncey's tweet then attacked him for not being "Steeler enough" & being upset enough about the loss to only tweet about a football related topic. THE ISSUE HERE IS THIS- These fans chose to attack Pouncey for doing what they FOLLOWED him for- his thoughts. When his thoughts did not coincide with the fans thoughts- they got up him, and Pouncey reacted.

The comparison to Tebow is about the difference between CHOOSING to follow a person's opinion, and having a person's opinion FORCED upon you.

Chadman turns the football on to watch- FOOTBALL.

Chadman does not turn the football on to see athletes praising their chosen deity.

RELIGION IS NOT FOOTBALL, and has NO PLACE being promoted there.

TWEETING is about OPINIONS, and even if you disagree with Pouncey's, he put them in the PROPER PLACE.

JAR etc are offended NOT BY THE CHRISTIAN MESSEGE, but by the fact that it is forced upon regular football watchers, in a forum that has NOTHING to do with Religion.

If you don't believe that Tebow doesn't understand the exposure he gets for his beliefs, doesn't see the circus that follows his every "Tebowing" moment, your head is in the sand. He MUST know that he is spreading "the word of God" every time he gets down on that damn knee of his.

Is the messege bad? For a lot of people, the answer is a resounding no. And fair enough. But for some people, his actions fly in the face of their own beliefs. It CAN be offensive to have this very pro-christianity schtick being delivered in a place that people go to for very different reasons- in this case, football.

Consider, if you will, how offended you may have been if players with Muslim beliefs had started praising Allah in football interviews after 9/11.

Football is simply not the forum for Religious commentry, even when it's done with good intentions.

Religion is a PERSONAL belief.

Now, if Tebow only posted his praise & thanks to God on Twitter, we wouldn't have this problem, would we?

Getting upset with Pouncey for making comments on his twitter page that you don't agree with is...well, unfair.

Getting upset with Tebow for being Christian is unfair too.

But just like having the Jehovah's Witnesses knock on your door at 8 on a Sunday morning to spread their word, having Tebow praising God & Jesus during a football game is an invasion of a person's personal 'opinion/belief space', and should be considered unfair too.

Perhaps even..... offensive?


Now- we are ALL Steelers fans- please don't let a Tim Tebow religious rant be a reason to not get along. This off-season is going to be hard enough as it is....

:Beer

steelz09
01-12-2012, 08:54 PM
How is calling out a fan ok? Are you delusional?

Like I said, over a weekend, I'd have to spend close to a $1,000+ to watch the Steelers play in person. It's us fans that pay for Pouncey's salary. Without the fans, there is no team or league. Then, Pouncey would be a working a "regular" job. The same "regular" type of job and "regular" person that he would likely be if it wasn't for us fans. The same "regular" person that he is being condescending towards.

JAR
01-12-2012, 08:55 PM
CRIKEY!

Ok, everyone take 1 step back for a second. The longer this debate goes, the further from the point being made we get.


Pouncey's 'tweet' & Tebow's "Tebowing" are NOT related messeges.

That was not, will not be, and never was the point.

The point was, in it's simplest terms, that Pouncey's 'tweet', as dumb as it may be, was not made as a public specticle, it was made on a forum of people who CHOOSE to follow his thoughts. Being offended by Pouncey promoting a rapper directly after a game IS THE ISSUE. These people that took offense to Pouncey's tweet then attacked him for not being "Steeler enough" & being upset enough about the loss to only tweet about a football related topic. THE ISSUE HERE IS THIS- These fans chose to attack Pouncey for doing what they FOLLOWED him for- his thoughts. When his thoughts did not coincide with the fans thoughts- they got up him, and Pouncey reacted.

The comparison to Tebow is about the difference between CHOOSING to follow a person's opinion, and having a person's opinion FORCED upon you.

Chadman turns the football on to watch- FOOTBALL.

Chadman does not turn the football on to see athletes praising their chosen deity.

RELIGION IS NOT FOOTBALL, and has NO PLACE being promoted there.

TWEETING is about OPINIONS, and even if you disagree with Pouncey's, he put them in the PROPER PLACE.

JAR etc are offended NOT BY THE CHRISTIAN MESSEGE, but by the fact that it is forced upon regular football watchers, in a forum that has NOTHING to do with Religion.

If you don't believe that Tebow doesn't understand the exposure he gets for his beliefs, doesn't see the circus that follows his every "Tebowing" moment, your head is in the sand. He MUST know that he is spreading "the word of God" every time he gets down on that damn knee of his.

Is the messege bad? For a lot of people, the answer is a resounding no. And fair enough. But for some people, his actions fly in the face of their own beliefs. It CAN be offensive to have this very pro-christianity schtick being delivered in a place that people go to for very different reasons- in this case, football.

Consider, if you will, how offended you may have been if players with Muslim beliefs had started praising Allah in football interviews after 9/11.

Football is simply not the forum for Religious commentry, even when it's done with good intentions.

Religion is a PERSONAL belief.

Now, if Tebow only posted his praise & thanks to God on Twitter, we wouldn't have this problem, would we?

Getting upset with Pouncey for making comments on his twitter page that you don't agree with is...well, unfair.

Getting upset with Tebow for being Christian is unfair too.

But just like having the Jehovah's Witnesses knock on your door at 8 on a Sunday morning to spread their word, having Tebow praising God & Jesus during a football game is an invasion of a person's personal 'opinion/belief space', and should be considered unfair too.

Perhaps even..... offensive?


Now- we are ALL Steelers fans- please don't let a Tim Tebow religious rant be a reason to not get along. This off-season is going to be hard enough as it is....

:Beer

Once again...well done Chadman.


Consider, if you will, how offended you may have been if players with Muslim beliefs had started praising Allah in football interviews after 9/11.

Very good point, Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf comes to mind, not going to get into it, for those who don't know the controversy, Google him.

JTP53609
01-12-2012, 08:59 PM
so people have a problem with Tebow because he does a quick prayer that the media has to catch on tape and before every interview he thanks Jesus for a few seconds. But I guess it is okay when Troy does the sign of the cross 500 times a game only because he is a Steeler.

Tebow is a guy that yes is quite corny at times, but the man has morals, he does mission trips in the offseason, is quite active with charities and community programs, but people are insulted by him because he thanks Jesus Christ before interviews. WOW!!

I guess listening to Pacman Jones who punches women in the face, shoots bodyguards and gets arrested at the drop of a hate is much more less annoying than hearing about Tebow.

I just cannot believe there is so much hate for a guy that does things the right way, meanwhile people who break the law and get chance after chance are the ones that fans cheer for, give me a break! I never really cared about Tebow, but I have turned into a fan with all the crap he gets for simply taking a knee and praying, and the whole "he knows he is on camera, and that is why he is doing it" is complete garbage, he may know he is on camera, but he has always done this, hate someone that is an idiot, not someone who has never hurt a fly.

But because Pouncey tweets some 'words' not approved by some people that makes him a thug or a non-team player? Pouncey has done a lot too for charities, etc and just because he tweets *uck and not Jesus doesn't make him out to be what the start of this thread was all about.

Yea, but Pouncey telling someone on tweeter that he is better than them and how his life is so much better is a little upsetting to say the least. This new technology crap is annoying, people take it so seriously, facebook, tweeter, non stop texting from 7 year olds all the way to 50 year olds just gets annoying. I remember when I used to call my buddies to make up plans, or I would talk to people face to face and not on the computer.
Anyway, people who are insulted by Tebow are the same people that you cannot say "Merry Christmas" to, or the same people who want "God" to be taken away from the pledge.

steelz09
01-12-2012, 09:02 PM
so people have a problem with Tebow because he does a quick prayer that the media has to catch on tape and before every interview he thanks Jesus for a few seconds. But I guess it is okay when Troy does the sign of the cross 500 times a game only because he is a Steeler.

Tebow is a guy that yes is quite corny at times, but the man has morals, he does mission trips in the offseason, is quite active with charities and community programs, but people are insulted by him because he thanks Jesus Christ before interviews. WOW!!

I guess listening to Pacman Jones who punches women in the face, shoots bodyguards and gets arrested at the drop of a hate is much more less annoying than hearing about Tebow.

I just cannot believe there is so much hate for a guy that does things the right way, meanwhile people who break the law and get chance after chance are the ones that fans cheer for, give me a break! I never really cared about Tebow, but I have turned into a fan with all the crap he gets for simply taking a knee and praying, and the whole "he knows he is on camera, and that is why he is doing it" is complete garbage, he may know he is on camera, but he has always done this, hate someone that is an idiot, not someone who has never hurt a fly.

But because Pouncey tweets some 'words' not approved by some people that makes him a thug or a non-team player? Pouncey has done a lot too for charities, etc and just because he tweets *uck and not Jesus doesn't make him out to be what the start of this thread was all about.

Yea, but Pouncey telling someone on tweeter that he is better than them and how his life is so much better is a little upsetting to say the least. This new technology crap is annoying, people take it so seriously, facebook, tweeter, non stop texting from 7 year olds all the way to 50 year olds just gets annoying. I remember when I used to call my buddies to make up plans, or I would talk to people face to face and not on the computer.
Anyway, people who are insulted by Tebow are the same people that you cannot say "Merry Christmas" to, or the same people who want "God" to be taken away from the pledge.

Off topic but "Merry Christmas", I can understand ..... but "God" from the pledge... please! People that make that argument are a complete joke.

NJ-STEELER
01-12-2012, 09:27 PM
back on topic

pouncey the wussy to have surgery on that ankle

Chadman
01-12-2012, 09:33 PM
Anyway, people who are insulted by Tebow are the same people that you cannot say "Merry Christmas" to, or the same people who want "God" to be taken away from the pledge.

You mean non-Christians?

As our communities become more diversified & more multi-cultural, maybe it's time all laws & celebrations did become less religion/deity-specific?

The same would go for the laws & celerations across the world though- not specifically to the USA or Australia.

steelz09
01-12-2012, 09:40 PM
Anyway, people who are insulted by Tebow are the same people that you cannot say "Merry Christmas" to, or the same people who want "God" to be taken away from the pledge.

You mean non-Christians?

As our communities become more diversified & more multi-cultural, maybe it's time all laws & celebrations did become less religion/deity-specific?

The same would go for the laws & celerations across the world though- not specifically to the USA or Australia.

That's when I leave this country. How about less rules for once instead. "God" forbid people have to use their own brains and judgement.

Chadman
01-12-2012, 09:53 PM
Anyway, people who are insulted by Tebow are the same people that you cannot say "Merry Christmas" to, or the same people who want "God" to be taken away from the pledge.

You mean non-Christians?

As our communities become more diversified & more multi-cultural, maybe it's time all laws & celebrations did become less religion/deity-specific?

The same would go for the laws & celerations across the world though- not specifically to the USA or Australia.

That's when I leave this country. How about less rules for once instead. "God" forbid people have to use their own brains and judgement.

Fair enough.

That said, what offends one person is water off a duck's back to another.

Being offended by Tebow may be silly to you, but it shouldn't be the source of any kind of ridicule if others find it offensive.

In Chadman's opinion- JAR has copped some fairly unnecessary commentry in retaliation to his opinion of Tebow. Allah forbid people can have their own opinion & have it not correspond with everyone else's...

:stirpot

steelz09
01-12-2012, 09:55 PM
And btw... "God" and the pledge has nothing to do with it.

"God" has nothing to do with being Christian. "One Nation Under God". That phrase does not say anything about Christianity. That's where this country is so f'in uptight.

God in that phrase can refer to ANY god or religion. ANY!

Scientology, Muslim, Buddhist ... it could be anything. Hell, if "Mickey Mouse" is your "God" then that phrase still works... If your lawn chair is your "God" then that phrase still works just fine.

So people that cry about that phrase are just too uptight and don't think.

The bottom line is that people are to uptight with this stuff. I have "faith" in religion but I'm not a very religious person at all... i don't go to church, maybe one time a year.

With that being said, I don't give a flying f what people call their "God" or whether they think one exists. That's their choice not mine and it doesn't bother me one bit.

Muslim, Buddha, Scientology, Lawn Chair, Mickey Mouse, Christian.... who cares? Is that worth getting upset about as a country or individuals? I hope not... that how 100+ year old wars are started (and never ending). Let people believe what they want to believe and the others mind their own damn business... and vice versa.

Tebow is not forcing Christianity on anyone. That argument is still stupid. It's the media that promotes this freaking circus. I've never heard Tebow say, everyone needs to join Christianity or promote his religion publicly. He's prayed and it gets caught on TV. He thanks "God" for things. Big freakin' deal.

Like Ruthless posted... I see praying on the field all the time....
Ever watch the Oscars? Ever watch the Grammys? A lot of people "Thank God" in their acceptance speeches.... who freakin' cares. I don't know which "God" those people are thanking and nor do I care.

Chadman
01-12-2012, 09:59 PM
Let people believe what they want to believe and the others mind their own damn business... and vice versa

So, kinda like letting people tweet what they like on their personal twitter account? Without fear of retailation?

steelz09
01-12-2012, 10:04 PM
Let people believe what they want to believe and the others mind their own damn business... and vice versa

So, kinda like letting people tweet what they like on their personal twitter account? Without fear of retailation?

Yes.... exactly. And the people can retaliate however they want as well. I personally think his Tweet was "****ty" to fans. I now have less respect for the guy to be honest. That's my choice... and I won't be buying any Pouncey jersey or anything because of it.

So yes, he can say what he wants to say..... I'm not all pissed off about it. That's his choice. I can't control what he says. But I will control things that I have control of. And that's not buying anything that has "Maurkice Pouncey" on it.

Chadman
01-12-2012, 10:06 PM
Tebow is not forcing Christianity on anyone. That argument is still stupid. It's the media that promotes this freaking circus.

That the media drives it is a certainty. BUT- Tebow is either Cation Oblivious, or he knows that his actions are watched by millions every time he goes before a camera.

He chooses that medium to spread his messege, even if you believe it to be a well intentioned messege, which it PROBABLY is.

The argument is not that Tebow is akin to Satan.

the argument is that Pouncey gets lambasted for his personal tweet, gets it dragged out, his opinion & personality questioned for something he wrote on a medium you have to CHOOSE to follow, while there are obviously people that don't want to hear Tebow's religious slant, but do not get the opportunity to not hear it when watching a football game.

again, as Chadman said earlier- if it was Tebow's twitter account, or even his own TV show- fine, no problem. But a football game is not a medium to transfer your messege about god/religion to the world- which he does, regardless of how mild you may think his offence.

The comparison you & Philly are hinting at- that Tebow is more evil etc than Pouncey, was never the comparison made.

Chadman
01-12-2012, 10:09 PM
That'd be Captain Oblivious..

Chadman
01-12-2012, 10:12 PM
I personally think his Tweet was "****ty" to fans. I now have less respect for the guy to be honest. That's my choice... and I won't be buying any Pouncey jersey or anything because of it.

So yes, he can say what he wants to say..... I'm not all pissed off about it.

:lol: :lol:

Well, you don't sound happy about it!! :lol:

steelz09
01-12-2012, 10:28 PM
I personally think his Tweet was "****ty" to fans. I now have less respect for the guy to be honest. That's my choice... and I won't be buying any Pouncey jersey or anything because of it.

So yes, he can say what he wants to say..... I'm not all pissed off about it.

:lol: :lol:

Well, you don't sound happy about it!! :lol:

I'm not happy about it .... but whatever. Like I said, I'll control what I can control

Same with Tebow.... I'm tired of hearing this crap on TV all the time. So guess what, I haven't watched as much ESPN. Or, I'll switch the channel when they talk non-stop about Tebow. Wow, that's difficult.

And for the record, you don't have to follow someone to get see their tweet. Someone that you follow can re-tweet someone's message. Or if your write @nfl or #nfl (i forget which one) and you follow nfl, then you'll see the message even if it came from someone else besides nfl.

Chadman
01-12-2012, 10:42 PM
Same with Tebow.... I'm tired of hearing this crap on TV all the time. So guess what, I haven't watched as much ESPN. Or, I'll switch the channel when they talk non-stop about Tebow. Wow, that's difficult.

Is it fair that you are forced to turn away from the football to avoid it though?

JTP53609
01-12-2012, 10:42 PM
I personally think his Tweet was "****ty" to fans. I now have less respect for the guy to be honest. That's my choice... and I won't be buying any Pouncey jersey or anything because of it.

So yes, he can say what he wants to say..... I'm not all pissed off about it.

:lol: :lol:

Well, you don't sound happy about it!! :lol:

I'm not happy about it .... but whatever. Like I said, I'll control what I can control

Same with Tebow.... I'm tired of hearing this crap on TV all the time. So guess what, I haven't watched as much ESPN. Or, I'll switch the channel when they talk non-stop about Tebow. Wow, that's difficult.


And for the record, you don't have to follow someone to get see their tweet. Someone that you follow can re-tweet someone's message. Or if your write @nfl or #nfl (i forget which one) and you follow nfl, then you'll see the message even if it came from someone else besides nfl.


I hope I dont offend but "AMEN" ...I hate the NBA so I dont watch ESPN...and like you said, tebow is not forcing his religion down anyones throat, the media lets him do what he wants. that is why I dont mind the guy....I hate guys like pacman jones, not tebow...

steelz09
01-12-2012, 10:46 PM
Same with Tebow.... I'm tired of hearing this crap on TV all the time. So guess what, I haven't watched as much ESPN. Or, I'll switch the channel when they talk non-stop about Tebow. Wow, that's difficult.

Is it fair that you are forced to turn away from the football to avoid it though?

I don't turn away from football. I turn away from the stuff I don't want to listen to. You know how ESPN has the scrolling topic thing on the side. That makes it really easy to determine what I'll avoid :)

But the same goes for Pouncey. If I follow NFL_Steelers twitter, but I don't follow Pouncey, the same thing can happen. Pouncey could write a comment that says "I hate everyone from Georgia" @NFL_Steelers and it'll show up for me because I follow NFL_Steelers, not necessarily Pouncey. That's just an example...

Chadman
01-12-2012, 10:49 PM
(Show's his tweeting ignorance).


And for the record- ESPN in the USA must be different from ESPN in Australia...

steelz09
01-12-2012, 10:52 PM
(Show's his tweeting ignorance).


And for the record- ESPN in the USA must be different from ESPN in Australia...

You don't have the scrolling thing on the side that shows the upcoming topics?

What tweeting ignorance? If your referring to me, I admitted that I forget exactly how The # and @ works but I know it works similar to the way I describe. That's how the ESPN "Audible" show works.

flippy
01-12-2012, 10:52 PM
Just to make this thread a little sillier.

Could you imagine going into work and your boss kneels down in front of you to pray before every meeting?

Every member of the sales team, crosses themselves and points to the sky when the close a deal?

You secretary has WFJ (Work for Jesus) written on her shoes?

Everyone goes into a circle in the middle of the office on a knee to pray together at 5pm before everyone goes home?

This literally happens in the NFL.

Chadman
01-12-2012, 10:55 PM
(Show's his tweeting ignorance).


And for the record- ESPN in the USA must be different from ESPN in Australia...

You don't have the scrolling thing on the side that shows the upcoming topics?

What tweeting ignorance? If your referring to me, I admitted that I forget exactly how The # and @ works but I know it works similar to the way I describe. That's how the ESPN "Audible" show works.


:D

Not your tweeting ignorance- Chadman's!

And Chadman doesn't get scrolly things on ESPN. Wait- there's the ticker thing on the bottom on some programs...

Chadman
01-12-2012, 10:58 PM
Just to make this thread a little sillier.

Could you imagine going into work and your boss kneels down in front of you to pray before every meeting?

Every member of the sales team, crosses themselves and points to the sky when the close a deal?

You secretary has WFJ (Work for Jesus) written on her shoes?

Everyone goes into a circle in the middle of the office on a knee to pray together at 5pm before everyone goes home?

This literally happens in the NFL.


It's a little ludicrous, isn't it?

steelz09
01-12-2012, 10:59 PM
Just to make this thread a little sillier.

Could you imagine going into work and your boss kneels down in front of you to pray before every meeting?

Every member of the sales team, crosses themselves and points to the sky when the close a deal?

You secretary has WFJ (Work for Jesus) written on her shoes?

Everyone goes into a circle in the middle of the office on a knee to pray together at 5pm before everyone goes home?

This literally happens in the NFL.

Yup and it's not just the NFL. How many times have you watched the Grammys and Oscars? How many times do you hear "I'd like to thank God...." or some flavor of that.

BradshawsHairdresser
01-12-2012, 11:08 PM
Just to make this thread a little sillier.

Could you imagine going into work and your boss kneels down in front of you to pray before every meeting?

Every member of the sales team, crosses themselves and points to the sky when the close a deal?

You secretary has WFJ (Work for Jesus) written on her shoes?

Everyone goes into a circle in the middle of the office on a knee to pray together at 5pm before everyone goes home?

This literally happens in the NFL.

Yup and it's not just the NFL. How many times have you watched the Grammys and Oscars? How many times do you hear "I'd like to thank God...." or some flavor of that.

And how many times, after hearing that, do you imagine God saying, "Errrr...I'd rather you didn't bring me into this...." :lol:

Reminds me of a story I heard. Some artist prefaces his performance by saying, "Now I'm going to sing a song that God gave to me." After he finishes the number, someone in the audience hollers, "I know why God gave it to you...it's because he didn't want it!"
True story.

flippy
01-12-2012, 11:20 PM
Just to make this thread a little sillier.

Could you imagine going into work and your boss kneels down in front of you to pray before every meeting?

Every member of the sales team, crosses themselves and points to the sky when the close a deal?

You secretary has WFJ (Work for Jesus) written on her shoes?

Everyone goes into a circle in the middle of the office on a knee to pray together at 5pm before everyone goes home?

This literally happens in the NFL.

Yup and it's not just the NFL. How many times have you watched the Grammys and Oscars? How many times do you hear "I'd like to thank God...." or some flavor of that.

And how many times, after hearing that, do you imagine God saying, "Errrr...I'd rather you didn't bring me into this...." :lol:

Jesus literally called this out in Matthew 23:1-12. And he called out Tebow on the SNL skit too:)

I'm convinced if you think long enough about anything we do or believe, you'll realize how silly we are.

And if I were Pouncey, I'd tweet, "Sorry fans, Mendy broke into my Twitter account after the game last week."

BradshawsHairdresser
01-12-2012, 11:22 PM
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And if I were Pouncey, I'd tweet, "Sorry fans, Mendy broke into my Twitter account after the game last week."

:lol: :lol: :lol:

phillyesq
01-12-2012, 11:48 PM
Let people believe what they want to believe and the others mind their own damn business... and vice versa

So, kinda like letting people tweet what they like on their personal twitter account? Without fear of retailation?

It's a sense of pride for Pouncey that he has over 50k followers. He put down fans who did not have a lot of followers. Furthermore, he is a public figure. In certain areas (e.g., defamation) U.S. law has recognized that different standards apply to public figures.

If Pouncey wanted to do something personally and privately, he should use a separate name that only his family and friends know. But he made a comment as a public figure on a public account that anybody can see, with knowledge that the media will get hold of and publicize remarks on twitter.

feltdizz
01-13-2012, 12:41 AM
I think players pray so much in the NFL because the risk of injury is high. I don't have a problem with players praying but I have a problem when a players logo and identy is praying it takes on a Ricky Bobby vibe.

Shawn
01-13-2012, 08:59 AM
And this is why I rarely get involved in these types of debates. They almost always get heated.

This is very simple. Respect everyone. Don't judge others. I want to be respected and allowed to express myself without judgment, therefore that is what I give.

If Pouncey wants to tweet, let him tweet. There will likely come a day when he looks back on those tweets and thinks to himself "hmm I probably could have handled that better". It's called maturation. I'll give the man room to grow without judging him.

feltdizz
01-13-2012, 09:47 AM
And this is why I rarely get involved in these types of debates. They almost always get heated.

This is very simple. Respect everyone. Don't judge others. I want to be respected and allowed to express myself without judgment, therefore that is what I give.

If Pouncey wants to tweet, let him tweet. There will likely come a day when he looks back on those tweets and thinks to himself "hmm I probably could have handled that better". It's called maturation. I'll give the man room to grow without judging him.

probably a day later he realized how stupid it was once he talked to his agent.

I really think players who can't play due to injury put up an emotional wall to detach themselves from the game. It's much easier to get over a loss when you aren't able to play.

Shawn
01-13-2012, 10:24 AM
And this is why I rarely get involved in these types of debates. They almost always get heated.

This is very simple. Respect everyone. Don't judge others. I want to be respected and allowed to express myself without judgment, therefore that is what I give.

If Pouncey wants to tweet, let him tweet. There will likely come a day when he looks back on those tweets and thinks to himself "hmm I probably could have handled that better". It's called maturation. I'll give the man room to grow without judging him.

probably a day later he realized how stupid it was once he talked to his agent.

I really think players who can't play due to injury put up an emotional wall to detach themselves from the game. It's much easier to get over a loss when you aren't able to play.

I think you are right. We all compensate for pain in different ways.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
01-13-2012, 10:58 AM
Let me say that somehow thinking that twitter is some "private club" where only those who apply for membership are involved is a little bit naive.

After Santonio told fans on twitter to go kill themselves, how many defended him by saying "that's okay, only those Steelers fans who signed up to his twitter account can be told to kill themselves, it was a private moment between Santonio and his inner circle"?

After Mendenhall tweeted that it is sad that Americans are rejoicing in the death of Osama, I did not hear or read on reaction that it is okay because only his twitter followers can read that opinion.

Twitter is public! If you can go to a website, type in a couple of letters and click, and then you are able to follow the opinions of a stranger who you only want to follow because of his public status, then this is a public forum.

JTP53609
01-13-2012, 11:56 AM
its just annoying how a millionaire acts like a 10 year old. The excuse of "he is only 22, cut him a break" is ridiculous, he is 22, and collecting more money that most can dream of, he is working for one of the best organizations in the world and his words are not from a lack of maturity, but more from a lack of intelligence. Why do athletes get the pass for being immature, but the everyday guy like myself had a job at 22 and was engaged living a responsible life.
I just get sick of hearing athletes and celebrities get a pass for their poor decisions because they are too young to understand they made a mistake. If I as a teacher tweeted something like this than I would put my job at risk, and there are other professions that are the same way, using the excuse "I did not mean that, I was not thinking" is not going to work, but I am sure his agent will put together something peachy for him to say and all will be good.

pittpete
01-13-2012, 12:28 PM
Did Pouncey kill someone?
Did he physically harm someone?
Words,who cares.
He shouldnt get a pass, because he said something annoying. :roll:
Gimme a fn break,some people overreact to everything in this country.

Slapstick
01-13-2012, 12:28 PM
I'd be willing to bet that his agent won't even address it, because it's not an issue...

And, I said the same thing about Santonio when I read what he tweeted: That was stupid...

Mendenhall, I don't really care. At least his heart was in the right place.

feltdizz
01-13-2012, 02:13 PM
its just annoying how a millionaire acts like a 10 year old. The excuse of "he is only 22, cut him a break" is ridiculous, he is 22, and collecting more money that most can dream of, he is working for one of the best organizations in the world and his words are not from a lack of maturity, but more from a lack of intelligence. Why do athletes get the pass for being immature, but the everyday guy like myself had a job at 22 and was engaged living a responsible life.
I just get sick of hearing athletes and celebrities get a pass for their poor decisions because they are too young to understand they made a mistake. If I as a teacher tweeted something like this than I would put my job at risk, and there are other professions that are the same way, using the excuse "I did not mean that, I was not thinking" is not going to work, but I am sure his agent will put together something peachy for him to say and all will be good.

If you were smart you would've picked a profession where you can tweet the f word :lol:

Lebsteel
01-13-2012, 04:34 PM
Wow, just read this article on the Broncos' QB. How dare he shove his religion down our throats like this? How dare he not celebrate his victory over the Steelers? Instead he spends time after the press conference visiting with a very sick young girl and her mother. He really offends me! :roll: :roll:


Remember last week, when the world was pulling its hair out in the hour after Tebow had stunned the Pittsburgh Steelers with an 80-yard OT touchdown pass to Demaryius Thomas in the playoffs? And Twitter was exploding with 9,420 tweets about Tebow per second? When an ESPN poll was naming him the most popular athlete in America?Tebow was spending that hour talking to 16-year-old Bailey Knaub about her 73 surgeries so far and what TV shows she likes.

"Here he'd just played the game of his life," recalls Bailey's mother, Kathy, of Loveland, Colo., "and the first thing he does after his press conference is come find Bailey and ask, 'Did you get anything to eat?' He acted like what he'd just done wasn't anything, like it was all about Bailey."

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7455943/believing-tim-tebow

BradshawsHairdresser
01-13-2012, 09:29 PM
Wow, just read this article on the Broncos' QB. How dare he shove his religion down our throats like this? How dare he not celebrate his victory over the Steelers? Instead he spends time after the press conference visiting with a very sick young girl and her mother. He really offends me! :roll: :roll:


Remember last week, when the world was pulling its hair out in the hour after Tebow had stunned the Pittsburgh Steelers with an 80-yard OT touchdown pass to Demaryius Thomas in the playoffs? And Twitter was exploding with 9,420 tweets about Tebow per second? When an ESPN poll was naming him the most popular athlete in America?Tebow was spending that hour talking to 16-year-old Bailey Knaub about her 73 surgeries so far and what TV shows she likes.

"Here he'd just played the game of his life," recalls Bailey's mother, Kathy, of Loveland, Colo., "and the first thing he does after his press conference is come find Bailey and ask, 'Did you get anything to eat?' He acted like what he'd just done wasn't anything, like it was all about Bailey."

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7455943/believing-tim-tebow

No wonder people can't stand the guy. If only he'd celebrated his win by getting drunk and smashing his car up, then maybe they could stomach him a bit. :lol: :lol:

JTP53609
01-13-2012, 09:34 PM
yea what a jagoff, he should learn to behave like pacman jones...

Shawn
01-14-2012, 02:04 AM
its just annoying how a millionaire acts like a 10 year old. The excuse of "he is only 22, cut him a break" is ridiculous, he is 22, and collecting more money that most can dream of, he is working for one of the best organizations in the world and his words are not from a lack of maturity, but more from a lack of intelligence. Why do athletes get the pass for being immature, but the everyday guy like myself had a job at 22 and was engaged living a responsible life.
I just get sick of hearing athletes and celebrities get a pass for their poor decisions because they are too young to understand they made a mistake. If I as a teacher tweeted something like this than I would put my job at risk, and there are other professions that are the same way, using the excuse "I did not mean that, I was not thinking" is not going to work, but I am sure his agent will put together something peachy for him to say and all will be good.

I'm sure you have never said anything ignorant.

Chadman
01-14-2012, 03:05 AM
As Chadman suspected, many are mistaking the reason the Tebow comparison was made with some percieved dislike for Tim Tebow. Chadman suggests you read the reason for the comparison again.

It's not an anti-Tebow thread, until some on here percieved it to be.

Oviedo
01-14-2012, 07:23 AM
Again, why do some grown men "stalk" other grown men to read what they say. I had no idea that Pouncey said anything. Game ended, we lost, time to move on and discuss next season. Pouncey can say whatever he wants, anytime he wants.

I hope no one is offended by this but really guys get a life. Go play with your kids or take your wife out to dinner. None of these players give a damn what we think or say on this message board so why do some hang on their every word and take it like Moses bringing the tablets down from the mountain (not trying to start a Tebow religious discussion either) and try to analyze the deeper meaning?

phillyesq
01-14-2012, 08:42 AM
Again, why do some grown men "stalk" other grown men to read what they say. I had no idea that Pouncey said anything. Game ended, we lost, time to move on and discuss next season. Pouncey can say whatever he wants, anytime he wants.

I hope no one is offended by this but really guys get a life. Go play with your kids or take your wife out to dinner. None of these players give a damn what we think or say on this message board so why do some hang on their every word and take it like Moses bringing the tablets down from the mountain (not trying to start a Tebow religious discussion either) and try to analyze the deeper meaning?

It was reported in the PG. Starkey also dropped a line about it in the Trib in his post season grades.

steelz09
01-14-2012, 08:55 AM
Wow, just read this article on the Broncos' QB. How dare he shove his religion down our throats like this? How dare he not celebrate his victory over the Steelers? Instead he spends time after the press conference visiting with a very sick young girl and her mother. He really offends me! :roll: :roll:


Remember last week, when the world was pulling its hair out in the hour after Tebow had stunned the Pittsburgh Steelers with an 80-yard OT touchdown pass to Demaryius Thomas in the playoffs? And Twitter was exploding with 9,420 tweets about Tebow per second? When an ESPN poll was naming him the most popular athlete in America?Tebow was spending that hour talking to 16-year-old Bailey Knaub about her 73 surgeries so far and what TV shows she likes.

"Here he'd just played the game of his life," recalls Bailey's mother, Kathy, of Loveland, Colo., "and the first thing he does after his press conference is come find Bailey and ask, 'Did you get anything to eat?' He acted like what he'd just done wasn't anything, like it was all about Bailey."

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7455943/believing-tim-tebow

What a scumbag.....Doesn't he know "telling off a fan" and promoting a rapper shortly after the game should be the #1 post game ritual?

Slapstick
01-14-2012, 09:03 AM
If you like Tebow so much...

...why don't you marry him?!?

:moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon
:moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon
:moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon
:moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon
:moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon

Lebsteel
01-14-2012, 10:13 AM
:lol: :shock:
Rick Reilly said that yesterday during an interview on the SVP show.

Lebsteel
01-14-2012, 10:29 AM
As Chadman suspected, many are mistaking the reason the Tebow comparison was made with some percieved dislike for Tim Tebow. Chadman suggests you read the reason for the comparison again.

It's not an anti-Tebow thread, until some on here percieved it to be.
Chad, really? It started out with the intent as you suggest but it definitely went down the anti-Tebow path with several posters i.e. "Tebow is ramming his religion down our throats..." You even suggested his Tebowing has ulterior motives.

Neither you nor I can truly know his heart. You lean on the skeptical side and I like to believe his reasons have nothing to do with the camera being on him. I think we all could learn a lot from a guy like him. As others have pointed out he is a refreshing change from today's typical rich, young athlete.

JTP53609
01-14-2012, 10:51 AM
its just annoying how a millionaire acts like a 10 year old. The excuse of "he is only 22, cut him a break" is ridiculous, he is 22, and collecting more money that most can dream of, he is working for one of the best organizations in the world and his words are not from a lack of maturity, but more from a lack of intelligence. Why do athletes get the pass for being immature, but the everyday guy like myself had a job at 22 and was engaged living a responsible life.
I just get sick of hearing athletes and celebrities get a pass for their poor decisions because they are too young to understand they made a mistake. If I as a teacher tweeted something like this than I would put my job at risk, and there are other professions that are the same way, using the excuse "I did not mean that, I was not thinking" is not going to work, but I am sure his agent will put together something peachy for him to say and all will be good.

I'm sure you have never said anything ignorant.

I knew someone would say this, but yea I guess I have gotten in arguments with my buddies before, or got in an argument with my wife, but have never told anyone to kill themself or bragged to a stranger that I am better than them or they are a nobody. I don't know, I guess my parents raised me correctly.

JTP53609
01-14-2012, 11:02 AM
Again, why do some grown men "stalk" other grown men to read what they say. I had no idea that Pouncey said anything. Game ended, we lost, time to move on and discuss next season. Pouncey can say whatever he wants, anytime he wants.

I hope no one is offended by this but really guys get a life. Go play with your kids or take your wife out to dinner. None of these players give a damn what we think or say on this message board so why do some hang on their every word and take it like Moses bringing the tablets down from the mountain (not trying to start a Tebow religious discussion either) and try to analyze the deeper meaning?

I for one do not have any tweeter account or facebook, my cell phone only calls people and I get 250 texts a month. I just read it in the paper and thought it was a stupid thing to say, and I was not going to chime in until I read people comparing what he did to what tebow does, yes this topic got out of hand..

BradshawsHairdresser
01-14-2012, 11:06 AM
If you like Tebow so much...

...why don't you marry him?!?

:moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon
:moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon
:moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon
:moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon
:moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon :moon

Uh-oh...Jack Lambert is my favoritist player of all-time...

...I suppose this means I have to marry him...

...I have to say, I find it to be more than a little intimidating when I think about making the "proposal." :lol: :lol:

JAR
01-14-2012, 11:18 AM
As Chadman suspected, many are mistaking the reason the Tebow comparison was made with some percieved dislike for Tim Tebow. Chadman suggests you read the reason for the comparison again.

It's not an anti-Tebow thread, until some on here percieved it to be.
Chad, really? It started out with the intent as you suggest but it definitely went down the anti-Tebow path with several posters i.e. "Tebow is ramming his religion down our throats..." You even suggested his Tebowing has ulterior motives.

Neither you nor I can truly know his heart. You lean on the skeptical side and I like to believe his reasons have nothing to do with the camera being on him. I think we all could learn a lot from a guy like him. As others have pointed out he is a refreshing change from today's typical rich, young athlete.

So, because Tebow is constantly shown praying, it makes him a better person than Pouncey just because he used a 'few' words that people don't like?

Kind of like when my father in law told us quite a few years ago that we should start going to church and then in his next move, he went on a racially slurred tirade.

Chadman
01-14-2012, 11:36 AM
Let me say that somehow thinking that twitter is some "private club" where only those who apply for membership are involved is a little bit naive.

After Santonio told fans on twitter to go kill themselves, how many defended him by saying "that's okay, only those Steelers fans who signed up to his twitter account can be told to kill themselves, it was a private moment between Santonio and his inner circle"?

After Mendenhall tweeted that it is sad that Americans are rejoicing in the death of Osama, I did not hear or read on reaction that it is okay because only his twitter followers can read that opinion.

Twitter is public! If you can go to a website, type in a couple of letters and click, and then you are able to follow the opinions of a stranger who you only want to follow because of his public status, then this is a public forum.

Good points Steelers Fan.

Just a question- when you sign in to Twitter, sign in to whatever the NFL twitter page is...what do you expect to find on there?

When you turn the TV on to watch the football, what do you expect to find there?


This has been the point of the comparison between Pouncey & Tebow. Twitter might be 'public' if you like- but you sign in to Twitter to see what? The words & opinions of whoever writes in, right? And if you 'follow' an athlete on twitter, you do so looking to see what he has to say for himself, right? It may be a public forum, but the purpose of twitter is for people to read the posts of whoever writes in.

When you turn on the football on tv- do you expect to get religion instead?

The point of the comparison?

No point people whinging & being upset because you don't agree with what Pouncey is saying on Twitter, if what you go there for is to read what he has to say. By doing so, the 'follower' subjects himself to whatever Pouncey might tweet, regardless of how dumb it may be. But it should not be a surprise, and if you truly value that person's views on twitter, surely you respect that there will be the occasional difference of opinion, without Pouncey having to fear a backlash for what he says.

you go to twitter to see what he & other NFL stars (or whoever...up to you) have to say. It's the purpose of Twitter, right? So how can people, in all seriousness, be upset that he wrote 'naughty words' to a couple of guys for bagging him for posting something he wanted to post?

On the other hand, people might have a legit reason to be upset that they tuned in to watch the football but instead heard Tebow thanking Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit & whoever else he may pray to. That isn't why they turned the TV on, is it? It's unexpected. And yes- because he chooses to say these things on TV, on a football program, he's 'ramming it down your throat', even if you agree with him, or feel it's well intentioned. The messege ISN'T the point, it's the forum that is the point.

Hell, Tebow might actually be a saint. He might cure cancer with kind words & doves may make nests in his hair.

But if people feel that he's pushing his religion upon them inappropriately while trying to watch football- they have a point. Do the media make it worse? Absolutely. But Tebow certainly doesn't do anything to put a stop to that.

Here's the crux of it- if Tebow wanted to let the galaxy know of his religious views, and did it in the appropraite forum, like his own TV show about religion, for example, there's no problem. If you watch it- you get what you expected, right? If Pouncey got on camera after the Steelers lost & said go listen to (insert rappers name here), and followed it up with "you all wish you had my life, blah blah"- that would be inappropriate, because it would be him forcing his opinion on to you in the incorrect forum.


After Mendenhall tweeted that it is sad that Americans are rejoicing in the death of Osama, I did not hear or read on reaction that it is okay because only his twitter followers can read that opinion.

You obviously didn't read what Chadman had to say about the backlash then. In a world where we are encouraged to accept that people have differing views, just make sure that if yours isn't the same as the masses that you sure as hell keep quiet about it....

Chadman
01-14-2012, 11:43 AM
Chad, really? It started out with the intent as you suggest but it definitely went down the anti-Tebow path with several posters i.e. "Tebow is ramming his religion down our throats..." You even suggested his Tebowing has ulterior motives.

Neither you nor I can truly know his heart. You lean on the skeptical side and I like to believe his reasons have nothing to do with the camera being on him. I think we all could learn a lot from a guy like him. As others have pointed out he is a refreshing change from today's typical rich, young athlete.

Hey Leb...we meet again on this one huh? :D

If you don't mind, instead of Chadman re-writing it, just read the response above to Steelers Fan...most of the points are in there.

Did Chadman question Tebow's motives? Yes, Chadman did. Got carried away in the heat of it all, unfortunately. Will own up to that one! The original point was, however, not anti-Tebow. However as the discussion became more...heated...there was a definate change in course of the debate!

The last paragraph, about knowing Tebow's heart, etc- is irrelevant. In fact, if you argue that we don't know Tebow's heart, you MUST argue you don't know Pouncey's either, right?

And if we do that- we should all just go on supporting Pouncey without anyone lowering their opinion of him" as some have suggested"!!

JAR
01-14-2012, 11:44 AM
Let me say that somehow thinking that twitter is some "private club" where only those who apply for membership are involved is a little bit naive.

After Santonio told fans on twitter to go kill themselves, how many defended him by saying "that's okay, only those Steelers fans who signed up to his twitter account can be told to kill themselves, it was a private moment between Santonio and his inner circle"?

After Mendenhall tweeted that it is sad that Americans are rejoicing in the death of Osama, I did not hear or read on reaction that it is okay because only his twitter followers can read that opinion.

Twitter is public! If you can go to a website, type in a couple of letters and click, and then you are able to follow the opinions of a stranger who you only want to follow because of his public status, then this is a public forum.

Good points Steelers Fan.

Just a question- when you sign in to Twitter, sign in to whatever the NFL twitter page is...what do you expect to find on there?

When you turn the TV on to watch the football, what do you expect to find there?


This has been the point of the comparison between Pouncey & Tebow. Twitter might be 'public' if you like- but you sign in to Twitter to see what? The words & opinions of whoever writes in, right? And if you 'follow' an athlete on twitter, you do so looking to see what he has to say for himself, right? It may be a public forum, but the purpose of twitter is for people to read the posts of whoever writes in.

When you turn on the football on tv- do you expect to get religion instead?

The point of the comparison?

No point people whinging & being upset because you don't agree with what Pouncey is saying on Twitter, if what you go there for is to read what he has to say. By doing so, the 'follower' subjects himself to whatever Pouncey might tweet, regardless of how dumb it may be. But it should not be a surprise, and if you truly value that person's views on twitter, surely you respect that there will be the occasional difference of opinion, without Pouncey having to fear a backlash for what he says.

you go to twitter to see what he & other NFL stars (or whoever...up to you) have to say. It's the purpose of Twitter, right? So how can people, in all seriousness, be upset that he wrote 'naughty words' to a couple of guys for bagging him for posting something he wanted to post?

On the other hand, people might have a legit reason to be upset that they tuned in to watch the football but instead heard Tebow thanking Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit & whoever else he may pray to. That isn't why they turned the TV on, is it? It's unexpected. And yes- because he chooses to say these things on TV, on a football program, he's 'ramming it down your throat', even if you agree with him, or feel it's well intentioned. The messege ISN'T the point, it's the forum that is the point.

Hell, Tebow might actually be a saint. He might cure cancer with kind words & doves may make nests in his hair.

But if people feel that he's pushing his religion upon them inappropriately while trying to watch football- they have a point. Do the media make it worse? Absolutely. But Tebow certainly doesn't do anything to put a stop to that.

Here's the crux of it- if Tebow wanted to let the galaxy know of his religious views, and did it in the appropraite forum, like his own TV show about religion, for example, there's no problem. If you watch it- you get what you expected, right? If Pouncey got on camera after the Steelers lost & said go listen to (insert rappers name here), and followed it up with "you all wish you had my life, blah blah"- that would be inappropriate, because it would be him forcing his opinion on to you in the incorrect forum.


After Mendenhall tweeted that it is sad that Americans are rejoicing in the death of Osama, I did not hear or read on reaction that it is okay because only his twitter followers can read that opinion.

You obviously didn't read what Chadman had to say about the backlash then. In a world where we are encouraged to accept that people have differing views, just make sure that if yours isn't the same as the masses that you sure as hell keep quiet about it....

Bravo! :Bow :Bow

Slapstick
01-14-2012, 11:57 AM
In my initial response to this thread, I mentioned that I respect Tebow as a person.

I do. He seems to "walk-the-walk" instead of merely talking-the-talk...the anecdote aout the little girl illustrates that perfectly...

But, depending on your point of view, there is little to no difference between what he does and what Pouncey did...

Lebsteel
01-14-2012, 12:21 PM
As Chadman suspected, many are mistaking the reason the Tebow comparison was made with some percieved dislike for Tim Tebow. Chadman suggests you read the reason for the comparison again.

It's not an anti-Tebow thread, until some on here percieved it to be.
Chad, really? It started out with the intent as you suggest but it definitely went down the anti-Tebow path with several posters i.e. "Tebow is ramming his religion down our throats..." You even suggested his Tebowing has ulterior motives.

Neither you nor I can truly know his heart. You lean on the skeptical side and I like to believe his reasons have nothing to do with the camera being on him. I think we all could learn a lot from a guy like him. As others have pointed out he is a refreshing change from today's typical rich, young athlete.

So, because Tebow is constantly shown praying, it makes him a better person than Pouncey just because he used a 'few' words that people don't like?

Kind of like when my father in law told us quite a few years ago that we should start going to church and then in his next move, he went on a racially slurred tirade.
JAR, I can see how the "religion" of others, like your father in law's example has turned you off. Having that kind of example would taint my perspective as well.

Many times people who profess their faith but do not back it up with how they live are the biggest reasons why others do not want to share that faith.

Lebsteel
01-14-2012, 12:26 PM
Chad, really? It started out with the intent as you suggest but it definitely went down the anti-Tebow path with several posters i.e. "Tebow is ramming his religion down our throats..." You even suggested his Tebowing has ulterior motives.

Neither you nor I can truly know his heart. You lean on the skeptical side and I like to believe his reasons have nothing to do with the camera being on him. I think we all could learn a lot from a guy like him. As others have pointed out he is a refreshing change from today's typical rich, young athlete.

Hey Leb...we meet again on this one huh? :D

If you don't mind, instead of Chadman re-writing it, just read the response above to Steelers Fan...most of the points are in there.

Did Chadman question Tebow's motives? Yes, Chadman did. Got carried away in the heat of it all, unfortunately. Will own up to that one! The original point was, however, not anti-Tebow. However as the discussion became more...heated...there was a definate change in course of the debate!

The last paragraph, about knowing Tebow's heart, etc- is irrelevant. In fact, if you argue that we don't know Tebow's heart, you MUST argue you don't know Pouncey's either, right?

And if we do that- we should all just go on supporting Pouncey without anyone lowering their opinion of him" as some have suggested"!!
I do not know Tebow's heart nor do I know Pouncey's. I can only comment on their actions and the perception that comes with those actions.

I will have to research the names in your mock. Do they play Aussie Rules Football? :D

JTP53609
01-14-2012, 12:30 PM
As Chadman suspected, many are mistaking the reason the Tebow comparison was made with some percieved dislike for Tim Tebow. Chadman suggests you read the reason for the comparison again.

It's not an anti-Tebow thread, until some on here percieved it to be.
Chad, really? It started out with the intent as you suggest but it definitely went down the anti-Tebow path with several posters i.e. "Tebow is ramming his religion down our throats..." You even suggested his Tebowing has ulterior motives.

Neither you nor I can truly know his heart. You lean on the skeptical side and I like to believe his reasons have nothing to do with the camera being on him. I think we all could learn a lot from a guy like him. As others have pointed out he is a refreshing change from today's typical rich, young athlete.

So, because Tebow is constantly shown praying, it makes him a better person than Pouncey just because he used a 'few' words that people don't like?

Kind of like when my father in law told us quite a few years ago that we should start going to church and then in his next move, he went on a racially slurred tirade.
JAR, I can see how the "religion" of others, like your father in law's example has turned you off. Having that kind of example would taint my perspective as well.

Many times people who profess their faith but do not back it up with how they live are the biggest reasons why others do not want to share that faith.


your right, the thing that drives me crazy is when I am in the gym and I see a bunch of guys wearing cut offs and they have big crosses tatoos on their arms while at the same time they are using the F word at every chance, talking about people they hate, talking about all the girls working out and how much they would like to bang them and on and on, and I am not fabricating this...Drives me crazy...

JTP53609
01-14-2012, 12:41 PM
So, because Tebow is constantly shown praying, it makes him a better person than Pouncey just because he used a 'few' words that people don't like?



See nobody is asking who is a better person, for some reason someone brought Tebow up and things he does and they compared it to be more insulting than what Pouncey said, and like the last million pages of this article said, Tebow does nothing more than what Polamalu does on every play or what some players do before they get interviewed which is thank Jesus. It is not his fault that BSPN wants to mike him up for everything, what are they suppose to say to him, "tim make sure you do not sing religious songs or say anything with Jesus in it".

JAR
01-14-2012, 02:49 PM
So, because Tebow is constantly shown praying, it makes him a better person than Pouncey just because he used a 'few' words that people don't like?



See nobody is asking who is a better person, for some reason someone brought Tebow up and things he does and they compared it to be more insulting than what Pouncey said, and like the last million pages of this article said, Tebow does nothing more than what Polamalu does on every play or what some players do before they get interviewed which is thank Jesus. It is not his fault that BSPN wants to mike him up for everything, what are they suppose to say to him, "tim make sure you do not sing religious songs or say anything with Jesus in it".

Yes, it's the reason the thread was started, the OP is insinuating that Pouncey is a problem because he decided to express his feelings on Twitter. That is the entire reason I brought in Tebow. What he does on national TV is fine to some, because they feel if you're a God fearing Christian, well, dagnubbit, you're a good old boy. But if by chance, you express yourself in other ways, you're well, a thug.

flippy
01-14-2012, 03:43 PM
As Chadman suspected, many are mistaking the reason the Tebow comparison was made with some percieved dislike for Tim Tebow. Chadman suggests you read the reason for the comparison again.

It's not an anti-Tebow thread, until some on here percieved it to be.
Chad, really? It started out with the intent as you suggest but it definitely went down the anti-Tebow path with several posters i.e. "Tebow is ramming his religion down our throats..." You even suggested his Tebowing has ulterior motives.

Neither you nor I can truly know his heart. You lean on the skeptical side and I like to believe his reasons have nothing to do with the camera being on him. I think we all could learn a lot from a guy like him. As others have pointed out he is a refreshing change from today's typical rich, young athlete.

So, because Tebow is constantly shown praying, it makes him a better person than Pouncey just because he used a 'few' words that people don't like?

Kind of like when my father in law told us quite a few years ago that we should start going to church and then in his next move, he went on a racially slurred tirade.
JAR, I can see how the "religion" of others, like your father in law's example has turned you off. Having that kind of example would taint my perspective as well.

Many times people who profess their faith but do not back it up with how they live are the biggest reasons why others do not want to share that faith.


your right, the thing that drives me crazy is when I am in the gym and I see a bunch of guys wearing cut offs and they have big crosses tatoos on their arms while at the same time they are using the F word at every chance, talking about people they hate, talking about all the girls working out and how much they would like to bang them and on and on, and I am not fabricating this...Drives me crazy...

Jesus probably dropped F bombs in his day.

For all we know, Pouncey is more religious than Tebow. Religion has nothing to do with professing your faith.

In secular terms, church is a therapist for people that costs them 10% of their salary vs their $10-25 copay. It costs more cause we need more therapy.

The people that have the most faith are typically the biggest F ups on the planet. And that traces back to Biblical times with the transformation of Saul to Paul.

So if you're a non Christian irritated by Christians, don't be. You're probably the better person than we are and you don't have the issues we do. Jesus would be irritated with 99.999% of Christians. Seriously you probably share more in common with him than most church goers.

Ultimately, I think God and religion is about easing our fear of death. And these discussions get a little crazy and people get emotional cause deep down we all fear death to some degree.

And sometimes when I hear religious discussions, I see hear the Christian argument as I'm not afraid to die any more and I don't want you to have that fear either. And then I hear the secular side saying how can you be so confident in that BS made up fairy tale?

Whatever your thoughts on religion - for or against it, they are probably reasonable. And I suspect both sides of the argument have good intentions. So we're all good here. As good as we can be.

And take comfort in knowing you're all better off than your pal Flippy :)

That part's obvious :)

BradshawsHairdresser
01-14-2012, 04:32 PM
Flip, I think I'm ahead of you when it comes to sinning. And it's true, that comes irrespective of religion. Check out Jesus' words to the Pharisees (the most religious people of their day).

You made some good points in your post......But I'm sorry, no matter how hard I try, I just can't see Jesus "dropping F-bombs"! :D

birtikidis
01-14-2012, 07:00 PM
Wow, just read this article on the Broncos' QB. How dare he shove his religion down our throats like this? How dare he not celebrate his victory over the Steelers? Instead he spends time after the press conference visiting with a very sick young girl and her mother. He really offends me! :roll: :roll:


Remember last week, when the world was pulling its hair out in the hour after Tebow had stunned the Pittsburgh Steelers with an 80-yard OT touchdown pass to Demaryius Thomas in the playoffs? And Twitter was exploding with 9,420 tweets about Tebow per second? When an ESPN poll was naming him the most popular athlete in America?Tebow was spending that hour talking to 16-year-old Bailey Knaub about her 73 surgeries so far and what TV shows she likes.

"Here he'd just played the game of his life," recalls Bailey's mother, Kathy, of Loveland, Colo., "and the first thing he does after his press conference is come find Bailey and ask, 'Did you get anything to eat?' He acted like what he'd just done wasn't anything, like it was all about Bailey."

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7455943/believing-tim-tebow

No wonder people can't stand the guy. If only he'd celebrated his win by getting drunk and smashing his car up, then maybe they could stomach him a bit. :lol: :lol:
hell if he'd have watched three people stab her to death, commentators would be lining Tebow up for the HOF and he'd be racking up mysterious "tackles" after every play.

feltdizz
01-14-2012, 07:26 PM
As Chadman suspected, many are mistaking the reason the Tebow comparison was made with some percieved dislike for Tim Tebow. Chadman suggests you read the reason for the comparison again.

It's not an anti-Tebow thread, until some on here percieved it to be.
Chad, really? It started out with the intent as you suggest but it definitely went down the anti-Tebow path with several posters i.e. "Tebow is ramming his religion down our throats..." You even suggested his Tebowing has ulterior motives.

Neither you nor I can truly know his heart. You lean on the skeptical side and I like to believe his reasons have nothing to do with the camera being on him. I think we all could learn a lot from a guy like him. As others have pointed out he is a refreshing change from today's typical rich, young athlete.

I disagree with this... I know we are fans and all but I don't need to learn anything from a football player. They live priviledged lifestyles and the amount of money they make puts them in extremely positive or negative situations.

It's great that Tebow decided to be a positive influence but who cares. I just want to watch football. I don't want to be sold on how great he is everytime his name is bright up.

flippy
01-14-2012, 08:42 PM
Flip, I think I'm ahead of you when it comes to sinning. And it's true, that comes irrespective of religion. Check out Jesus' words to the Pharisees (the most religious people of their day).

You made some good points in your post......But I'm sorry, no matter how hard I try, I just can't see Jesus "dropping F-bombs"! :D

I didn't really mean actual F bombs. I was speaking more metaphorically.

There are loads of stories where he called people out for their crap which I see as a sort of "F bomb" in his era. And it wasn't like he was calling out the meek. He was calling out the people in power. Jesus did get crucified. Clearly he ticked some people off in his day. He was offensive to the society in which he lived.

(And I was half kidding which I am most of the time) :)

Shawn
01-15-2012, 08:51 PM
its just annoying how a millionaire acts like a 10 year old. The excuse of "he is only 22, cut him a break" is ridiculous, he is 22, and collecting more money that most can dream of, he is working for one of the best organizations in the world and his words are not from a lack of maturity, but more from a lack of intelligence. Why do athletes get the pass for being immature, but the everyday guy like myself had a job at 22 and was engaged living a responsible life.
I just get sick of hearing athletes and celebrities get a pass for their poor decisions because they are too young to understand they made a mistake. If I as a teacher tweeted something like this than I would put my job at risk, and there are other professions that are the same way, using the excuse "I did not mean that, I was not thinking" is not going to work, but I am sure his agent will put together something peachy for him to say and all will be good.

I'm sure you have never said anything ignorant.

I knew someone would say this, but yea I guess I have gotten in arguments with my buddies before, or got in an argument with my wife, but have never told anyone to kill themself or bragged to a stranger that I am better than them or they are a nobody. I don't know, I guess my parents raised me correctly.

Congrats to you. It's good to hear there are people who didn't really have to grow and mature. I know for me...I have said many many things I regret. So, I suppose it's why I am willing to allow him a little room to grow into manhood.

JTP53609
01-15-2012, 11:21 PM
its just annoying how a millionaire acts like a 10 year old. The excuse of "he is only 22, cut him a break" is ridiculous, he is 22, and collecting more money that most can dream of, he is working for one of the best organizations in the world and his words are not from a lack of maturity, but more from a lack of intelligence. Why do athletes get the pass for being immature, but the everyday guy like myself had a job at 22 and was engaged living a responsible life.
I just get sick of hearing athletes and celebrities get a pass for their poor decisions because they are too young to understand they made a mistake. If I as a teacher tweeted something like this than I would put my job at risk, and there are other professions that are the same way, using the excuse "I did not mean that, I was not thinking" is not going to work, but I am sure his agent will put together something peachy for him to say and all will be good.

I'm sure you have never said anything ignorant.


I knew someone would say this, but yea I guess I have gotten in arguments with my buddies before, or got in an argument with my wife, but have never told anyone to kill themself or bragged to a stranger that I am better than them or they are a nobody. I don't know, I guess my parents raised me correctly.

Congrats to you. It's good to hear there are people who didn't really have to grow and mature. I know for me...I have said many many things I regret. So, I suppose it's why I am willing to allow him a little room to grow into manhood.

believe me, I am still highly immature, I laugh at farts, I would rather watch a dumb comedy than a educational movie and I love pulling pranks on friends and family, but as far as behavior, I can't stand dumb comments said by people and then trying to hear them say what they meant while their foot is in their mouth.

Chadman
01-16-2012, 12:49 AM
I knew someone would say this, but yea I guess I have gotten in arguments with my buddies before, or got in an argument with my wife, but have never told anyone to kill themself or bragged to a stranger that I am better than them or they are a nobody. I don't know, I guess my parents raised me correctly.

:shock:

Wow, never bragged, never threatened, never regretted what you've said? Chadman has, several times. Guess that means Chadman's parents suck at parenting. Oh well, at least they can console themselves with the thought that they are merely on par with Mr & Mrs Pouncey.

If only Chadman had been raised by the Tebows!

:roll:

Sword
01-16-2012, 11:08 AM
Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

wrong!! it's the media and late night TV that is exploiting Tebow's faith not Tebow...........

Sword

:Agree Tebowism is being shoved in our face everywhere, it's almost unavoidable. Even today, the mayor of Pittsburgh had to Tebow as part of his lost bet with the Denver mayor...give me a freaking break.

Sword
01-16-2012, 11:11 AM
And btw... "God" and the pledge has nothing to do with it.

"God" has nothing to do with being Christian. "One Nation Under God". That phrase does not say anything about Christianity. That's where this country is so f'in uptight.

God in that phrase can refer to ANY god or religion. ANY!

Scientology, Muslim, Buddhist ... it could be anything. Hell, if "Mickey Mouse" is your "God" then that phrase still works... If your lawn chair is your "God" then that phrase still works just fine.

So people that cry about that phrase are just too uptight and don't think.

The bottom line is that people are to uptight with this stuff. I have "faith" in religion but I'm not a very religious person at all... i don't go to church, maybe one time a year.

With that being said, I don't give a flying f what people call their "God" or whether they think one exists. That's their choice not mine and it doesn't bother me one bit.

Muslim, Buddha, Scientology, Lawn Chair, Mickey Mouse, Christian.... who cares? Is that worth getting upset about as a country or individuals? I hope not... that how 100+ year old wars are started (and never ending). Let people believe what they want to believe and the others mind their own damn business... and vice versa.

Tebow is not forcing Christianity on anyone. That argument is still stupid. It's the media that promotes this freaking circus. I've never heard Tebow say, everyone needs to join Christianity or promote his religion publicly. He's prayed and it gets caught on TV. He thanks "God" for things. Big freakin' deal.

Like Ruthless posted... I see praying on the field all the time....
Ever watch the Oscars? Ever watch the Grammys? A lot of people "Thank God" in their acceptance speeches.... who freakin' cares. I don't know which "God" those people are thanking and nor do I care.

Agreed.......

Sword

flippy
01-16-2012, 11:23 AM
I knew someone would say this, but yea I guess I have gotten in arguments with my buddies before, or got in an argument with my wife, but have never told anyone to kill themself or bragged to a stranger that I am better than them or they are a nobody. I don't know, I guess my parents raised me correctly.

:shock:

Wow, never bragged, never threatened, never regretted what you've said? Chadman has, several times. Guess that means Chadman's parents suck at parenting. Oh well, at least they can console themselves with the thought that they are merely on par with Mr & Mrs Pouncey.

If only Chadman had been raised by the Tebows!

:roll:

At lot of people are successes in spite of their parents and vice versa. I think the stronger emotion for most people that really drives them is to not make the mistakes their parents made. It's easier to forget the good stuff.

That said, Pouncey probably had the better parents and Tebow is rebelling against his parents :)

Don't feel bad, my parents must have sh!t the bed too.