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flippy
01-09-2012, 12:10 AM
The silver lining. Hope it's worth it.

hawaiiansteel
01-09-2012, 02:19 AM
The silver lining. Hope it's worth it.

thanks flippy, I've been searching for a silver lining and was unable to come up with one until now :Cheers

DHSF
01-09-2012, 03:21 AM
Yeah, was thinking the same thing. For the 24th pick the Steelers choose...

steelz09
01-09-2012, 09:11 AM
Yeah, was thinking the same thing. For the 24th pick the Steelers choose...

Lawrence Timmons! Wait, we all know how well that turned out. Paid top dollar for a rookie that had to "learn" for his entire rookie contract. Timmons "learning" is probably the most expensive training of all time. The outcome? An average player.

frankthetank1
01-09-2012, 09:24 AM
Yeah, was thinking the same thing. For the 24th pick the Steelers choose...

Lawrence Timmons! Wait, we all know how well that turned out. Paid top dollar for a rookie that had to "learn" for his entire rookie contract. Timmons "learning" is probably the most expensive training of all time. The outcome? An average player.

are you really ragging on the steelers draft history? timmons is probably the worst first rounder the steelers have had in recent years and that is very impressive. i think timmons is a good player and hasnt come close to reaching his potential. there is no team in the nfl that drafts better than the steelers in the first round and maybe in the entire draft as well.

flippy
01-09-2012, 11:46 AM
What do you guys think about Janoris Jenkins. He's a top corner that no one is talking about.

He'll probably end up in Cincy because of his marijuana charges. And he's sorta small for a Pittsburgh corner. But he seems like a guy that would have high potential value in the 2nd half of the first round based on talent.

Oviedo
01-09-2012, 11:48 AM
What do you guys think about Janoris Jenkins. He's a top corner that no one is talking about.

He'll probably end up in Cincy because of his marijuana charges. And he's sorta small for a Pittsburgh corner. But he seems like a guy that would have high potential value in the 2nd half of the first round based on talent.

What do you think about Pacman Jones because you would essentially be getting the same type of player.

steelz09
01-09-2012, 11:52 AM
In all honesty, if we draft ANY secondary position I hope it is a FS.

We are very thin at FS. Mundy is a SS, not a FS.

Call me crazy but I don't see a huge need right now at cornerback especially in the 1st round.

Ike got a new contract
Lewis, Curtis Brown, Cortez Allen, and Gay

That's 5 cornerbacks right there. I think we all agree that Brown and Allen showed a lot of promise. Lewis had his best year. Gay, well he's ok....

I'd rather go FS, Guard or ILB. In not particular order.

RuthlessBurgher
01-09-2012, 11:57 AM
What do you guys think about Janoris Jenkins. He's a top corner that no one is talking about.

He'll probably end up in Cincy because of his marijuana charges. And he's sorta small for a Pittsburgh corner. But he seems like a guy that would have high potential value in the 2nd half of the first round based on talent.

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steelz09
01-09-2012, 12:00 PM
And if we draft a FS, he'll see playing time in the nickle and dime packages. A FS won't start as a rookie in our system most likely. So our secondary will likely look like:

FS: Clark, Rookie
SS: Polamalu, Mundy
CB: Ike, Lewis, Allen, Brown, Gay

phillyesq
01-09-2012, 03:48 PM
In all honesty, if we draft ANY secondary position I hope it is a FS.

We are very thin at FS. Mundy is a SS, not a FS.

Call me crazy but I don't see a huge need right now at cornerback especially in the 1st round.

Ike got a new contract
Lewis, Curtis Brown, Cortez Allen, and Gay

That's 5 cornerbacks right there. I think we all agree that Brown and Allen showed a lot of promise. Lewis had his best year. Gay, well he's ok....

I'd rather go FS, Guard or ILB. In not particular order.

:Agree

I'd also add NT to that list.

steelerkeylargo
01-09-2012, 04:31 PM
I would like to see them try McFadden at FS

phillyesq
01-09-2012, 04:58 PM
I would like to see them try McFadden at FS

I don't get the sense that the FO and coaching staff is as dissatisfied with Clark as many on this forum are. I doubt that we see McFadden at CB or on the team next year. He will likely be released for the cap savings.

steelerkeylargo
01-09-2012, 05:06 PM
I would like to see them try McFadden at FS

I don't get the sense that the FO and coaching staff is as dissatisfied with Clark as many on this forum are. I doubt that we see McFadden at CB or on the team next year. He will likely be released for the cap savings.

Don't get me wrong I am a fan of Clark. McFadden would be #2.

Oviedo
01-09-2012, 05:06 PM
I would like to see them try McFadden at FS

I don't get the sense that the FO and coaching staff is as dissatisfied with Clark as many on this forum are. I doubt that we see McFadden at CB or on the team next year. He will likely be released for the cap savings.

I'm not a big Clark fan but he isn't bad, he id better than average. I would advocate we get the free safety of the future sooner rather than later to maximize the time he could play with Troy. I do not think Bmac is the solution at free safety anymore than Mundy is.

IMO FS or NT should be our first looks in the draft unless one of the top OGs is sitting there at #24. I'll be watching Mark Barron of Alabama very closely tonight.

NorthCoast
01-09-2012, 08:17 PM
I would like to see them try McFadden at FS

I don't get the sense that the FO and coaching staff is as dissatisfied with Clark as many on this forum are. I doubt that we see McFadden at CB or on the team next year. He will likely be released for the cap savings.

I'm not a big Clark fan but he isn't bad, he id better than average. I would advocate we get the free safety of the future sooner rather than later to maximize the time he could play with Troy. I do not think Bmac is the solution at free safety anymore than Mundy is.

IMO FS or NT should be our first looks in the draft unless one of the top OGs is sitting there at #24. I'll be watching Mark Barron of Alabama very closely tonight.

What some might not be factoring in is that Clark has to cover for Troy on a lot of impromptu plays. That can't be very easy without a whole lot of time together.

pittpete
01-09-2012, 08:24 PM
Did anyone notice our O-line?
Denver got to Ben with a 3 man rush all night.
If we dont go O-line I will friggin scream.
The rules favor offenses now, get Ben some protection next year because Kemo is a goner and he can take Starks with him.
When I saw Robert Ayers the DE bullrush Starks and drop him on his @ss I knew it was over for him.

TallyStiller
01-09-2012, 09:17 PM
No reaches for positional need with the pick, please. Too many teams get bad and stay bad by trying to fill immediate needs through the draft rather than taking good football players... A first round pick has to be a star caliber talent, period. Now that we're at 24, does that bring David DeCastro or Donta Hightower into play? Truthfully, my feelings wouldn't be terribly hurt if we looked to move up to the late teens in pursuit of one of the above by making a deal like the 2003 Troy trade with KC (1/16 for 1/27 + a 3 and a 6).

focosteeler
01-09-2012, 09:21 PM
Did anyone notice our O-line?
Denver got to Ben with a 3 man rush all night.
If we dont go O-line I will friggin scream.
The rules favor offenses now, get Ben some protection next year because Kemo is a goner and he can take Starks with him.
When I saw Robert Ayers the DE bullrush Starks and drop him on his @ss I knew it was over for him.


We need to take a Guard and a Tackle, preferably both by the 4th round. I honestly wouldnt be upset if we took a LB, NT, G, T in the first 4 rounds

focosteeler
01-09-2012, 09:25 PM
No reaches for positional need with the pick, please. Too many teams get bad and stay bad by trying to fill immediate needs through the draft rather than taking good football players... A first round pick has to be a star caliber talent, period. Now that we're at 24, does that bring David DeCastro or Donta Hightower into play? Truthfully, my feelings wouldn't be terribly hurt if we looked to move up to the late teens in pursuit of one of the above by making a deal like the 2003 Troy trade with KC (1/16 for 1/27 + a 3 and a 6).

i wouldnt mind moving back, maybe early 2nd, get an extra 1st for next year as well as maybe 1 or 2 more for this year. especially if we 'trim the fat' and get rid of a lot of old guys

pfelix73
01-09-2012, 10:34 PM
I agree with the one post from above. I think its time to trade up and get a top notch playmaker in the teens- if possible. DB or LB. Like we did with Troy.. I'd go shopping on the FA market for a Olineman.

:tt1

RuthlessBurgher
01-10-2012, 06:39 PM
No reaches for positional need with the pick, please. Too many teams get bad and stay bad by trying to fill immediate needs through the draft rather than taking good football players... A first round pick has to be a star caliber talent, period. Now that we're at 24, does that bring David DeCastro or Donta Hightower into play? Truthfully, my feelings wouldn't be terribly hurt if we looked to move up to the late teens in pursuit of one of the above by making a deal like the 2003 Troy trade with KC (1/16 for 1/27 + a 3 and a 6).

I'd love to get DeCastro, but I don't think he's getting past Dallas at #14. Our #24 pick is worth 740 points on the trade value chart, and to leap the Cowboys, we'd need to trade up for Arizona's #13 pick worth 1150 points. That's a 410 point difference. Our second round pick is only worth 340. I'm thinking DeCastro's a pipe dream like Mike Pouncey was last year, unless he unexpectedly falls within range (one can still hope, I suppose).

BigRob
01-10-2012, 07:20 PM
No reaches for positional need with the pick, please. Too many teams get bad and stay bad by trying to fill immediate needs through the draft rather than taking good football players... A first round pick has to be a star caliber talent, period. Now that we're at 24, does that bring David DeCastro or Donta Hightower into play? Truthfully, my feelings wouldn't be terribly hurt if we looked to move up to the late teens in pursuit of one of the above by making a deal like the 2003 Troy trade with KC (1/16 for 1/27 + a 3 and a 6).

I'd love to get DeCastro, but I don't think he's getting past Dallas at #14. Our #24 pick is worth 740 points on the trade value chart, and to leap the Cowboys, we'd need to trade up for Arizona's #13 pick worth 1150 points. That's a 410 point difference. Our second round pick is only worth 340. I'm thinking DeCastro's a pipe dream like Mike Pouncey was last year, unless he unexpectedly falls within range (one can still hope, I suppose).

Don't need to trade up. We can draft Peter Konz at 24, Kevin Zeitler in the second. Konz was a guard to start with at Wisc. He is an excellent puller. Him, Zeitler, and Pouncey would form an unbelievable interior of the line. Pair them with Gilbert and Starks and we have a good OL next year that can pound it with the best of them.

Pick up a NT in the Third. James Michael-Johnson at ILB in the 4th. Would be a great draft.