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Steelhere10
01-09-2012, 12:06 AM
I dogged you early, but you played like a championship QB. Despite your suck azz OC.
On another note TROY ( we know Ike was ) was horrible today, his gambles cost us big time.

papillon
01-09-2012, 12:09 AM
I dogged you early, but you played like a championship QB. Despite your suck azz OC.
On another note TROY ( we know Ike was ) was horrible today, his gambles cost us big time.

Ben was getting better as the game went on, he took off and ran 2 or 3 times when necessary. It would have been nice to finish a couple early drives and the game would have been out of reach. Oh well, there's next year.

Pappy

flippy
01-09-2012, 12:11 AM
You could say that Ben's INT cost us the game.

Sword
01-09-2012, 09:12 AM
I thought Ben played great with his injuries......

Pass Rush sucked....

Sword

frankthetank1
01-09-2012, 09:18 AM
yeah ben played great. he also had a bunch of balls dropped including a deep pass to wallace. that was big

Leper Friend
01-09-2012, 09:22 AM
yeah ben played great. he also had a bunch of balls dropped including a deep pass to wallace. that was big
You mean the deep ball to Wallace that he underthrew like all deep balls to Wallace ? I mean the ones that he doesn't overthrow of course.

Steelgal
01-09-2012, 09:25 AM
Sorry, but I can't give Ben many props for last night. Yes he was playing injured, but had he not lobbied so hard in prior weeks to play, he would have been healthier for a playoff run.

As for last night's game, it was far from his best. How do you get a delay of game with under a minute left in the game when you're driving to take the lead? He had plenty of checkdowns he could have taken during the game, but instead went for the long ball that never paid off. He needs to accept that sometimes 5, 10 yard passes are just as good as one 50 yard bomb. Arians doesn't help in that respect. he lets Ben do what Ben wants to do, even if it's not working.

This team will never get to the next 'elite' level on offense as long as Ben and Arians continue to try and make the big splash plays, instead of taking the shorter stuff that works. Not to mention the quicker throws will lead to less offensive holding penalties, most likely, and possibly less injuries for him and his oline.

Ben has the potential to be one of the truly best there is, but is too stubborn to change his ways and grow up.

frankthetank1
01-09-2012, 09:25 AM
yeah ben played great. he also had a bunch of balls dropped including a deep pass to wallace. that was big
You mean the deep ball to Wallace that he underthrew like all deep balls to Wallace ? I mean the ones that he doesn't overthrow of course.

kind of hard to not under throw one of the fastest players in the nfl. did the ball hit wallace in the hands?

Ghost
01-09-2012, 09:31 AM
Underthrown or not, the 52 yarder to Wallace was EASY and routine. It's ridiculous for a #1 or 2 WR to not catch that cleanly. Wasn't even getting hit. Wallace is not as good as he believes himself to be.

Ben brought the team back but that O was putrid for a good portion of the game. And the Steelers should have been kicking for the win in regulation when they got the ball back with tons of time and time outs. That last drive was pathetic. Suisham should have been lining up for a 35 yarder with no issues to win.

frankthetank1
01-09-2012, 09:34 AM
Underthrown or not, the 52 yarder to Wallace was EASY and routine. It's ridiculous for a #1 or 2 WR to not catch that cleanly. Wasn't even getting hit. Wallace is not as good as he believes himself to be.

Ben brought the team back but that O was putrid for a good portion of the game. And the Steelers should have been kicking for the win in regulation when they got the ball back with tons of time and time outs. That last drive was pathetic. Suisham should have been lining up for a 35 yarder with no issues to win.

the second half of the season wallace hasnt played well at all. if he expects a big contract from the steelers in the next season or so he has to be more consistent. right now i think antonio brown is a much better wr.

frankthetank1
01-09-2012, 09:35 AM
Underthrown or not, the 52 yarder to Wallace was EASY and routine. It's ridiculous for a #1 or 2 WR to not catch that cleanly. Wasn't even getting hit. Wallace is not as good as he believes himself to be.

Ben brought the team back but that O was putrid for a good portion of the game. And the Steelers should have been kicking for the win in regulation when they got the ball back with tons of time and time outs. That last drive was pathetic. Suisham should have been lining up for a 35 yarder with no issues to win.

the second half of the season wallace hasnt played well at all. if he expects a big contract from the steelers in the next season or so he has to be more consistent. right now i think antonio brown is a much better wr.

Leper Friend
01-09-2012, 09:37 AM
Underthrown or not, the 52 yarder to Wallace was EASY and routine. It's ridiculous for a #1 or 2 WR to not catch that cleanly. Wasn't even getting hit. Wallace is not as good as he believes himself to be.

Ben brought the team back but that O was putrid for a good portion of the game. And the Steelers should have been kicking for the win in regulation when they got the ball back with tons of time and time outs. That last drive was pathetic. Suisham should have been lining up for a 35 yarder with no issues to win.
I agree he definitely should have caught it. I also agree Wallace isn't nearly as good as he thinks he is. He's showing to be pretty one dimensional and doesn't nearly fight for the ball enough it seems on underneath stuff.

That being said , he probably should have 20 TD's this year.I get so sick of Ben missing him deep.

Steelgal
01-09-2012, 09:38 AM
Underthrown or not, the 52 yarder to Wallace was EASY and routine. It's ridiculous for a #1 or 2 WR to not catch that cleanly. Wasn't even getting hit. Wallace is not as good as he believes himself to be.

Ben brought the team back but that O was putrid for a good portion of the game. And the Steelers should have been kicking for the win in regulation when they got the ball back with tons of time and time outs. That last drive was pathetic. Suisham should have been lining up for a 35 yarder with no issues to win.

the second half of the season wallace hasnt played well at all. if he expects a big contract from the steelers in the next season or so he has to be more consistent. right now i think antonio brown is a much better wr.

As someone who had Wallace on my fantasy team, I can tell you his numbers definately tanked the second half of the season. It's sad when 'average' WRs were putting up better numbers, consistantly than Wallace. Give me a first round pick for him and I'll be thrilled.

On a side, unrelated note, Manny Sanders looked very good last night.

Leper Friend
01-09-2012, 09:41 AM
Underthrown or not, the 52 yarder to Wallace was EASY and routine. It's ridiculous for a #1 or 2 WR to not catch that cleanly. Wasn't even getting hit. Wallace is not as good as he believes himself to be.

Ben brought the team back but that O was putrid for a good portion of the game. And the Steelers should have been kicking for the win in regulation when they got the ball back with tons of time and time outs. That last drive was pathetic. Suisham should have been lining up for a 35 yarder with no issues to win.

the second half of the season wallace hasnt played well at all. if he expects a big contract from the steelers in the next season or so he has to be more consistent. right now i think antonio brown is a much better wr.
If it came down between the 2 , imo Brown is much better , more complete.The only thing we can't really measure is how much would they miss Wallaces' speed in that it opens up the underneath stuff. Still , if I had to choose only one , Brown all the way. I love the way the kid competes.

papillon
01-09-2012, 09:47 AM
The throw to Wallace wasn't under thrown, Ben actually "threw Wallace open" 50 yards down field. He saw that Wallace had inside position on the DB and threw the ball so that it was a foot race for Wallace and the trailing DB to get to the ball. The ball was thrown to a great spot any NFL receiver needs to make that catch when your quarterback makes a play like that. I thought that was a great throw. That drop was emblematic of Wallace the second half of the season (unfortunately).

Pappy

Oviedo
01-09-2012, 09:49 AM
You could say that Ben's INT cost us the game.

Our defense cost us this game plain and simple. We don't need to try to divert blame to the offense that put up 23 points against a very good defense. That is the typical Steelers fan response: give the defense and LeBeau a pass and dissect the offense to find blame so we can rail on Arians.

LeBeau is the one owns this loss. They talked about it all morning on Mike and Mike how there were absolutely no adjustments by LeBeau to what they were doing. Pass rush failing--no adjustment. Ike struggling--no adjustment.

Leper Friend
01-09-2012, 10:04 AM
The throw to Wallace wasn't under thrown, Ben actually "threw Wallace open" 50 yards down field. He saw that Wallace had inside position on the DB and threw the ball so that it was a foot race for Wallace and the trailing DB to get to the ball. The ball was thrown to a great spot any NFL receiver needs to make that catch when your quarterback makes a play like that. I thought that was a great throw. That drop was emblematic of Wallace the second half of the season (unfortunately).

Pappy
Wrong. Watch it again.He had a step on the corner ,like he almost always does.If Ben leads him and Wallace doesn't have to break stride , it's a score.

He may have thrown it away from the safety a bit , who was trailing a tad but he still had to almost completely stop for it ,again , like he almost always does.

feltdizz
01-09-2012, 10:06 AM
Perfect throw by Ben... once again Wallace needs the ball placed perfectly to catch it. Wallace has horrible hands... it's all arms and body when he catches it and this is why half the passes are intercepted or incomplete.

feltdizz
01-09-2012, 10:07 AM
The throw to Wallace wasn't under thrown, Ben actually "threw Wallace open" 50 yards down field. He saw that Wallace had inside position on the DB and threw the ball so that it was a foot race for Wallace and the trailing DB to get to the ball. The ball was thrown to a great spot any NFL receiver needs to make that catch when your quarterback makes a play like that. I thought that was a great throw. That drop was emblematic of Wallace the second half of the season (unfortunately).

Pappy
Wrong. Watch it again.He had a step on the corner ,like he almost always does.If Ben leads him and Wallace doesn't have to break stride , it's a score.

He may have thrown it away from the safety a bit , who was trailing a tad but he still had to almost completely stop for it ,again , like he almost always does.

he didn't stop he had to adjust and that's part of being a WR. Wallace isn't on rails... that was a great throw and Wallace whiffed.

JAR
01-09-2012, 10:09 AM
Anyone blaming Ben for this loss needs to check into rehab....

Leper Friend
01-09-2012, 10:09 AM
The throw to Wallace wasn't under thrown, Ben actually "threw Wallace open" 50 yards down field. He saw that Wallace had inside position on the DB and threw the ball so that it was a foot race for Wallace and the trailing DB to get to the ball. The ball was thrown to a great spot any NFL receiver needs to make that catch when your quarterback makes a play like that. I thought that was a great throw. That drop was emblematic of Wallace the second half of the season (unfortunately).

Pappy
Wrong. Watch it again.He had a step on the corner ,like he almost always does.If Ben leads him and Wallace doesn't have to break stride , it's a score.

He may have thrown it away from the safety a bit , who was trailing a tad but he still had to almost completely stop for it ,again , like he almost always does.

he didn't stop he had to adjust and that's part of being a WR. Wallace isn't on rails... that was a great throw and Wallace whiffed.
If your definition of "great throw" is not hitting him in stride than you're right. He makes alot of "great throws"

feltdizz
01-09-2012, 10:30 AM
[quote=papillon]The throw to Wallace wasn't under thrown, Ben actually "threw Wallace open" 50 yards down field. He saw that Wallace had inside position on the DB and threw the ball so that it was a foot race for Wallace and the trailing DB to get to the ball. The ball was thrown to a great spot any NFL receiver needs to make that catch when your quarterback makes a play like that. I thought that was a great throw. That drop was emblematic of Wallace the second half of the season (unfortunately).

Pappy
Wrong. Watch it again.He had a step on the corner ,like he almost always does.If Ben leads him and Wallace doesn't have to break stride , it's a score.

He may have thrown it away from the safety a bit , who was trailing a tad but he still had to almost completely stop for it ,again , like he almost always does.

he didn't stop he had to adjust and that's part of being a WR. Wallace isn't on rails... that was a great throw and Wallace whiffed.
If your definition of "great throw" is not hitting him in stride than you're right. He makes alot of "great throws"[/quote:1yv319t4]

On that play it was a great throw because he had defenders on his outside and Ben threw him open on the inside.

The ball hit Wallace in the hands, arm, stomach and he didn't catch it.

Leper Friend
01-09-2012, 10:57 AM
[quote=papillon]The throw to Wallace wasn't under thrown, Ben actually "threw Wallace open" 50 yards down field. He saw that Wallace had inside position on the DB and threw the ball so that it was a foot race for Wallace and the trailing DB to get to the ball. The ball was thrown to a great spot any NFL receiver needs to make that catch when your quarterback makes a play like that. I thought that was a great throw. That drop was emblematic of Wallace the second half of the season (unfortunately).

Pappy
Wrong. Watch it again.He had a step on the corner ,like he almost always does.If Ben leads him and Wallace doesn't have to break stride , it's a score.

He may have thrown it away from the safety a bit , who was trailing a tad but he still had to almost completely stop for it ,again , like he almost always does.

he didn't stop he had to adjust and that's part of being a WR. Wallace isn't on rails... that was a great throw and Wallace whiffed.
If your definition of "great throw" is not hitting him in stride than you're right. He makes alot of "great throws"

On that play it was a great throw because he had defenders on his outside and Ben threw him open on the inside.

The ball hit Wallace in the hands, arm, stomach and he didn't catch it.[/quote:wp47d0q9]
He absolutely should have caught it , no way I'm arguing that.And if this didn't happen so often I probably wouldn't even mention this particular throw.However , he did have to completely slow down , like almost always on his deep throws.He may have thrown away from the safety but he had a step on both. If just leads him and Wallace doesn't break stride and he outruns everyone.

williar
01-09-2012, 10:59 AM
Props to mediocrity....While I didn't see the whole game, I did see the end 3rd and 4th quarters. During that time I saw Ben make as many bad plays as good. He continues to hold the ball too long when he has time to throw and takes a ridiculous amount of sacks.

The last drive in regulation should have resulted in at least a field goal attempt. Ben did not make any significant plays to help out on that drive. He had a critical delay of game and took sack after sack. Ben was not the difference maker that great QB's should be in big games. I know about the ankle sprain however he wasn't lighting nothing up before the injury.

I see that many of you will never accept that Ben is just as much a part of this team's problem as anybody else. Dude is regressing right before our eye and no one wants to admit it....Just like grandma with altzheimers.

Leper Friend
01-09-2012, 11:15 AM
Props to mediocrity....While I didn't see the whole game, I did see the end 3rd and 4th quarters. During that time I saw Ben make as many bad plays as good. He continues to hold the ball too long when he has time to throw and takes a ridiculous amount of sacks.

The last drive in regulation should have resulted in at least a field goal attempt. Ben did not make any significant plays to help out on that drive. He had a critical delay of game and took sack after sack. Ben was not the difference maker that great QB's should be in big games. I know about the ankle sprain however he wasn't lighting nothing up before the injury.

I see that many of you will never accept that Ben is just as much a part of this team's problem as anybody else. Dude is regressing right before our eye and no one wants to admit it....Just like grandma with altzheimers.
He's not regressing but he is what he is.That's not necissarily good or bad.

I'm just saying he has his stregnths - great at extending plays , he's got a rocket arm , and he's usually clutch when it matters.

But he still struggles with certain things as well . He misses way to many throws that should be routine and at times it's almost like he has to wait until the wr's are wide open before he'll throw it instead of just trusting the route.He's also inconsistent when he has to just run the offense,not improvise.

Pointing these things out doesn't make me a "hater". We're lucky to have him. But again , he is what he is. A very good , not elite QB who plays very unconventionally .If he were more consistent throughout the whole game,he wouldn't need to pull out so much stuff late.

williar
01-09-2012, 11:39 AM
Props to mediocrity....While I didn't see the whole game, I did see the end 3rd and 4th quarters. During that time I saw Ben make as many bad plays as good. He continues to hold the ball too long when he has time to throw and takes a ridiculous amount of sacks.

The last drive in regulation should have resulted in at least a field goal attempt. Ben did not make any significant plays to help out on that drive. He had a critical delay of game and took sack after sack. Ben was not the difference maker that great QB's should be in big games. I know about the ankle sprain however he wasn't lighting nothing up before the injury.

I see that many of you will never accept that Ben is just as much a part of this team's problem as anybody else. Dude is regressing right before our eye and no one wants to admit it....Just like grandma with altzheimers.
He's not regressing but he is what he is.That's not necissarily good or bad.

I'm just saying he has his stregnths - great at extending plays , he's got a rocket arm , and he's usually clutch when it matters.

But he still struggles with certain things as well . He misses way to many throws that should be routine and at times it's almost like he has to wait until the wr's are wide open before he'll throw it instead of just trusting the route.He's also inconsistent when he has to just run the offense,not improvise.

Pointing these things out doesn't make me a "hater". We're lucky to have him. But again , he is what he is. A very good , not elite QB who plays very unconventionally .If he were more consistent throughout the whole game,he wouldn't need to pull out so much stuff late.

I agree with you. Ben does some good things but he makes alot of bad plays as well that puts the team in bad situations and people seem to always want to overlook those things. It's like they want to hold on to the "Ben-saved the day" attitude...

I don't think he was very good in wildcard game. Not from what I was watching. He was as much of a problem as he was a solution... Then someone has the nerve to start a thread entitled "Props to Ben". I'm like "Really" "Seriously".... I guess we have relegated to accepting mediocre performances from our "star" QB...

NC Steeler Fan
01-09-2012, 11:45 AM
I'm sorry, I know Ben tried to pull off a yet another miracle in some respects and I applaud his desire and effort despite his injuries, and yes, he's pulled off miracles in the past, but...

I really think his overall vision of the field is horrible; and not just last night. How many times has he stood back there, looking and looking, for an open receiver, only for us to hear "Ben had a man open downfield." while he throws into double coverage? I firmly believe that's why he gets sacked or flushed out of the pocket time and again. I don't know why he can't make the quick reads that other QBs of supposedly much lesser talent do all the time.

As a good example, go back and look at that late game ball he threw to Heath in triple coverage. Look at the top of the screen and you'll see a WR in the endzone on top of the "B" in broncos wide open from his man waving his hand. And another two plays late in the game too where a wide open receiver on the sideline at the top of the screen was waving his hand and Ben forced the ball over the middle.

Yeah, I know, the view from the couch is a whole lot better. But, I have to ask why is it that even when he DOES appear to have some time back there, he still can't find the open man on his second or third routes?

On that last drive, he looke like HS material...

papillon
01-09-2012, 12:03 PM
The throw to Wallace wasn't under thrown, Ben actually "threw Wallace open" 50 yards down field. He saw that Wallace had inside position on the DB and threw the ball so that it was a foot race for Wallace and the trailing DB to get to the ball. The ball was thrown to a great spot any NFL receiver needs to make that catch when your quarterback makes a play like that. I thought that was a great throw. That drop was emblematic of Wallace the second half of the season (unfortunately).

Pappy
Wrong. Watch it again.He had a step on the corner ,like he almost always does.If Ben leads him and Wallace doesn't have to break stride , it's a score.

He may have thrown it away from the safety a bit , who was trailing a tad but he still had to almost completely stop for it ,again , like he almost always does.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one that ball was in the air for the better part of 60 yards and as far as I'm concerned he threw Wallace open with the safety trailing him that pass not being caught for a 52 yard gain is all on Wallace. The ball was in a perfect place. There isn't anyone in the NFL throwing that ball out in front of Wallace that far down field, they'd have to throw it 75 yards or more.

Ben made enough mistakes during the game most of them not seeing the field, but that throw wasn't one of them, IMO.

Pappy

Slapstick
01-09-2012, 12:34 PM
The Steelers were way behind and tied the game in regulation...

I only wish they could have had an OT possession...

NJ-STEELER
01-10-2012, 03:30 AM
Props to mediocrity....While I didn't see the whole game, I did see the end 3rd and 4th quarters. During that time I saw Ben make as many bad plays as good. He continues to hold the ball too long when he has time to throw and takes a ridiculous amount of sacks.

The last drive in regulation should have resulted in at least a field goal attempt. Ben did not make any significant plays to help out on that drive. He had a critical delay of game and took sack after sack. Ben was not the difference maker that great QB's should be in big games. I know about the ankle sprain however he wasn't lighting nothing up before the injury.

I see that many of you will never accept that Ben is just as much a part of this team's problem as anybody else. Dude is regressing right before our eye and no one wants to admit it....Just like grandma with altzheimers.
He's not regressing but he is what he is.That's not necissarily good or bad.

I'm just saying he has his stregnths - great at extending plays , he's got a rocket arm , and he's usually clutch when it matters.

But he still struggles with certain things as well . He misses way to many throws that should be routine and at times it's almost like he has to wait until the wr's are wide open before he'll throw it instead of just trusting the route.He's also inconsistent when he has to just run the offense,not improvise.

Pointing these things out doesn't make me a "hater". We're lucky to have him. But again , he is what he is. A very good , not elite QB who plays very unconventionally .If he were more consistent throughout the whole game,he wouldn't need to pull out so much stuff late.

I agree with you. Ben does some good things but he makes alot of bad plays as well that puts the team in bad situations and people seem to always want to overlook those things. It's like they want to hold on to the "Ben-saved the day" attitude...

I don't think he was very good in wildcard game. Not from what I was watching. He was as much of a problem as he was a solution... Then someone has the nerve to start a thread entitled "Props to Ben". I'm like "Really" "Seriously".... I guess we have relegated to accepting mediocre performances from our "star" QB...

you miss half the game and then say he didnt have a good game??

how many of your 285 posts on here are about ben sucking, not being as good as everyone thinks, or being the cause for all the losses? 280??

NJ-STEELER
01-10-2012, 03:33 AM
The throw to Wallace wasn't under thrown, Ben actually "threw Wallace open" 50 yards down field. He saw that Wallace had inside position on the DB and threw the ball so that it was a foot race for Wallace and the trailing DB to get to the ball. The ball was thrown to a great spot any NFL receiver needs to make that catch when your quarterback makes a play like that. I thought that was a great throw. That drop was emblematic of Wallace the second half of the season (unfortunately).

Pappy
Wrong. Watch it again.He had a step on the corner ,like he almost always does.If Ben leads him and Wallace doesn't have to break stride , it's a score.

He may have thrown it away from the safety a bit , who was trailing a tad but he still had to almost completely stop for it ,again , like he almost always does.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one that ball was in the air for the better part of 60 yards and as far as I'm concerned he threw Wallace open with the safety trailing him that pass not being caught for a 52 yard gain is all on Wallace. The ball was in a perfect place. There isn't anyone in the NFL throwing that ball out in front of Wallace that far down field, they'd have to throw it 75 yards or more.

Ben made enough mistakes during the game most of them not seeing the field, but that throw wasn't one of them, IMO.

Pappy
i really start to question how much football some watch on here. wallace did have to slow down, but on a long throw like that its not out of the ordinary.

receivers have to adjust to long balls all the time and as already said.. the ball hit wallace in the hands, arms (thru his arms) and stomach.
thats a catch any receiver has to make, especially a team's #1 receiver

Scarletfire1970
01-10-2012, 08:48 AM
The defense had the easy job as the Denver defense is what keeps them in games. Bottom line...23 points should be plenty to beat a Tebow lead Denver team. The defense sucked bad. Worse then I ever thought it could. And I thought there would be some plays out there in the passing game, but damn. That was hard to watch.

SidSmythe
01-10-2012, 09:46 AM
once Ben reinjured his leg (after Starks got blown up and landed on it) he wasn't the same. They injected him with something at halftime and he was back to being Ben

I Love Our QB

sentinel33
01-10-2012, 01:38 PM
You da man, Ben. Always giving it your all. Toughest QB to ever play the game.

I just wish you had a couple more tools in the shed. You'd be unstoppable.

Always in your corner. Thick and thin, bro.

williar
01-10-2012, 02:02 PM
[quote=williar]Props to mediocrity....While I didn't see the whole game, I did see the end 3rd and 4th quarters. During that time I saw Ben make as many bad plays as good. He continues to hold the ball too long when he has time to throw and takes a ridiculous amount of sacks.

The last drive in regulation should have resulted in at least a field goal attempt. Ben did not make any significant plays to help out on that drive. He had a critical delay of game and took sack after sack. Ben was not the difference maker that great QB's should be in big games. I know about the ankle sprain however he wasn't lighting nothing up before the injury.

I see that many of you will never accept that Ben is just as much a part of this team's problem as anybody else. Dude is regressing right before our eye and no one wants to admit it....Just like grandma with altzheimers.
He's not regressing but he is what he is.That's not necissarily good or bad.

I'm just saying he has his stregnths - great at extending plays , he's got a rocket arm , and he's usually clutch when it matters.

But he still struggles with certain things as well . He misses way to many throws that should be routine and at times it's almost like he has to wait until the wr's are wide open before he'll throw it instead of just trusting the route.He's also inconsistent when he has to just run the offense,not improvise.

Pointing these things out doesn't make me a "hater". We're lucky to have him. But again , he is what he is. A very good , not elite QB who plays very unconventionally .If he were more consistent throughout the whole game,he wouldn't need to pull out so much stuff late.

I agree with you. Ben does some good things but he makes alot of bad plays as well that puts the team in bad situations and people seem to always want to overlook those things. It's like they want to hold on to the "Ben-saved the day" attitude...

I don't think he was very good in wildcard game. Not from what I was watching. He was as much of a problem as he was a solution... Then someone has the nerve to start a thread entitled "Props to Ben". I'm like "Really" "Seriously".... I guess we have relegated to accepting mediocre performances from our "star" QB...

you miss half the game and then say he didnt have a good game??

how many of your 285 posts on here are about ben sucking, not being as good as everyone thinks, or being the cause for all the losses? 280??[/quote:3v2h7zj4]

Was the first half that much better than the second? Because I didn't see anything in the second half that would suggest he had a good game. In fact, he blew it on that last drive in regulation. I'm supposed to act like that don't count or something. Please. Tell me what I missed?

I've been watching Ben for 8 years and counting, I know how he plays... And yes! He has had plenty of bad games, playoffs and superbowls included. So Ben having another "below the line game" should come as no suprise to anyone.... I would love to post about Ben having a great game, and Ben beat Tebow as we march on to the patriots. Sorry! No reason for me to do that..

I won't celebrate "mediocrity" from a supposed "elite" QB who is supposed to be the reason why we win. If you want to do that, you go right ahead. And stop worrying about who and what I post about.......

Steeler Shades
01-10-2012, 03:03 PM
you miss half the game and then say he didnt have a good game??
Oh yah.....Ben was so much better in the first half that it made up for anything someone may have disliked in the second half. Pro-Bowl performance by Ben in the first half. 8)

Leper Friend
01-10-2012, 03:34 PM
[quote=papillon]The throw to Wallace wasn't under thrown, Ben actually "threw Wallace open" 50 yards down field. He saw that Wallace had inside position on the DB and threw the ball so that it was a foot race for Wallace and the trailing DB to get to the ball. The ball was thrown to a great spot any NFL receiver needs to make that catch when your quarterback makes a play like that. I thought that was a great throw. That drop was emblematic of Wallace the second half of the season (unfortunately).

Pappy
Wrong. Watch it again.He had a step on the corner ,like he almost always does.If Ben leads him and Wallace doesn't have to break stride , it's a score.

He may have thrown it away from the safety a bit , who was trailing a tad but he still had to almost completely stop for it ,again , like he almost always does.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one that ball was in the air for the better part of 60 yards and as far as I'm concerned he threw Wallace open with the safety trailing him that pass not being caught for a 52 yard gain is all on Wallace. The ball was in a perfect place. There isn't anyone in the NFL throwing that ball out in front of Wallace that far down field, they'd have to throw it 75 yards or more.

Ben made enough mistakes during the game most of them not seeing the field, but that throw wasn't one of them, IMO.

Pappy
i really start to question how much football some watch on here. wallace did have to slow down, but on a long throw like that its not out of the ordinary.

receivers have to adjust to long balls all the time and as already said.. the ball hit wallace in the hands, arms (thru his arms) and stomach.
thats a catch any receiver has to make, especially a team's #1 receiver[/quote:1f77g24r]
Nobody is debating if he should have caught it or not.Of course he should have. But to ask your QB to not consistently under or over throw the best deep threat in the NFL shouldn't be asking much.

Again , if this was out of the ordinary , I wouldn't even have mentioned this play.But it happens all the time. if you disagree than you're not paying attention.

ikestops85
01-10-2012, 05:45 PM
While I agree that Ben didn't have a great 1st half he sure wasn't helped by his receivers. I haven't seen anyone mention it but the first pass of the game that Ben threw went between Wallace's hands. That should have been a big play if not a TD. The ball Cotch dropped would have been a huge play had he held on but instead we punt. The momentum turned right after that. Wallace dropped that long ball -- whether it was a good ball or not I'll let others argue -- but it was very catchable and would have put us in great field position.

Then there is the interception. Ben threw a perfect pass that almost took Miller's ear off. My question is why was he not looking for the ball? That should have been a catch instead of an INT. Again, not Ben's fault.

All of these plays contributed to keeping points off the board for us and helped put points on the board for Denver. Ben didn't have a great game but he had a solid gritty game so I think he does deserve some props.

NJ-STEELER
01-10-2012, 06:38 PM
[quote="NJ-STEELER":msf7v3bz]you miss half the game and then say he didnt have a good game??
Oh yah.....Ben was so much better in the first half that it made up for anything someone may have disliked in the second half. Pro-Bowl performance by Ben in the first half. 8)[/quote:msf7v3bz]

the fact he's basing how he played in the game on only a half speaks volume. as someone alluded to...what about the dropped passes. don't you think that may have made a difference in the 1st half?

he's just a troll. there's 54 other players on the roster and i haven't seen him comment on any other player

NJ-STEELER
01-10-2012, 06:43 PM
[quote=williar]Props to mediocrity....While I didn't see the whole game, I did see the end 3rd and 4th quarters. During that time I saw Ben make as many bad plays as good. He continues to hold the ball too long when he has time to throw and takes a ridiculous amount of sacks.

The last drive in regulation should have resulted in at least a field goal attempt. Ben did not make any significant plays to help out on that drive. He had a critical delay of game and took sack after sack. Ben was not the difference maker that great QB's should be in big games. I know about the ankle sprain however he wasn't lighting nothing up before the injury.

I see that many of you will never accept that Ben is just as much a part of this team's problem as anybody else. Dude is regressing right before our eye and no one wants to admit it....Just like grandma with altzheimers.
He's not regressing but he is what he is.That's not necissarily good or bad.

I'm just saying he has his stregnths - great at extending plays , he's got a rocket arm , and he's usually clutch when it matters.

But he still struggles with certain things as well . He misses way to many throws that should be routine and at times it's almost like he has to wait until the wr's are wide open before he'll throw it instead of just trusting the route.He's also inconsistent when he has to just run the offense,not improvise.

Pointing these things out doesn't make me a "hater". We're lucky to have him. But again , he is what he is. A very good , not elite QB who plays very unconventionally .If he were more consistent throughout the whole game,he wouldn't need to pull out so much stuff late.

I agree with you. Ben does some good things but he makes alot of bad plays as well that puts the team in bad situations and people seem to always want to overlook those things. It's like they want to hold on to the "Ben-saved the day" attitude...

I don't think he was very good in wildcard game. Not from what I was watching. He was as much of a problem as he was a solution... Then someone has the nerve to start a thread entitled "Props to Ben". I'm like "Really" "Seriously".... I guess we have relegated to accepting mediocre performances from our "star" QB...

you miss half the game and then say he didnt have a good game??

how many of your 285 posts on here are about ben sucking, not being as good as everyone thinks, or being the cause for all the losses? 280??


I've been watching Ben for 8 years and counting,

I would love to post about Ben having a great game,

And stop worrying about who and what I post about.......[/quote:2e9l0u0j]

you need to try harder to not sound like your alias screen names, cristo

pittpete
01-10-2012, 08:05 PM
No, the O-line blew it on the last drive
The fat useless hogs couldnt even let him throw a friggin hail mary.
I mean besides us what other team does that ever happen to before a half or at the end of the game.