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JAR
01-02-2012, 04:59 PM
Colts fire executives Bill and Chris Polian after 2-14 season

http://www.nfl.com/

NorthCoast
01-02-2012, 05:04 PM
heard that on the radio.... make no mistake, this was done to make it a whole lot easier to release Manning. Hello Luck, welcome to Indy....

Steelgal
01-02-2012, 05:13 PM
They've got to release him. Not sure what he made this year, but just signed the new contract in the off-season last year. I read he's due 25+ million by early March. You simply can NOT pay that much to a guy with 2 neck surgeries in the past year and who's in his mid-30's. No one would trade for him, so it's either pay him the big money or let him go. Wonder where he ends up???

DukieBoy
01-02-2012, 05:35 PM
Looks as though a complete retooling has begun in Indianapolis.

Peyton a Skin next year ???

Or maybe a Bronco ? Elway is not thrilled to be Tebowed.

NJ-STEELER
01-02-2012, 05:53 PM
i bet the jets go hard after peyton too

DukieBoy
01-02-2012, 05:59 PM
i bet the jets go hard after peyton too

It may get to be a seller's market, even with the huge contract. Especially in Goodell's QB-driven high-scoring NFLBA.

pick6
01-02-2012, 06:44 PM
heard that on the radio.... make no mistake, this was done to make it a whole lot easier to release Manning. Hello Luck, welcome to Indy....

Wow, this is crazy, just heard about this. So I guess they were loyal to Peyton ? Seems that the Polian name has always been associated with the Colts franchise, must have been a serious falling out.

And yeah, where will Manning end up?

tiproast
01-02-2012, 07:03 PM
Best part of this is that Polian won't be on the competition committee anymore.

Perhaps someone that thinks hitting should be part of the game will take his place.

feltdizz
01-02-2012, 07:27 PM
heard that on the radio.... make no mistake, this was done to make it a whole lot easier to release Manning. Hello Luck, welcome to Indy....

Wow, this is crazy, just heard about this. So I guess they were loyal to Peyton ? Seems that the Polian name has always been associated with the Colts franchise, must have been a serious falling out.

And yeah, where will Manning end up?

Why the heck did they give him all that money with a bad neck? This was a gift and it wasn't based on what he could do for the team moving forward. They basically handicapped themselves with that contract.

I see the same thing happening with Andy Reid and Vick if they have another subpar year.

rpmpit
01-02-2012, 08:24 PM
heard that on the radio.... make no mistake, this was done to make it a whole lot easier to release Manning. Hello Luck, welcome to Indy....

Wow, this is crazy, just heard about this. So I guess they were loyal to Peyton ? Seems that the Polian name has always been associated with the Colts franchise, must have been a serious falling out.

And yeah, where will Manning end up?

Why the heck did they give him all that money with a bad neck? This was a gift and it wasn't based on what he could do for the team moving forward. They basically handicapped themselves with that contract.

I see the same thing happening with Andy Reid and Vick if they have another subpar year.

:Agree Heard Deion Sanders mention this one time earlier in the season and then no one else ever again. It doesn't make sense. And if Peyton really cared about the Colts, he never would have signed that contract. I guess the owners are fed up with the greatest quarterback ever...to only win one Superbowl :lol:

pittpete
01-02-2012, 09:08 PM
Perhaps someone that thinks hitting should be part of the game will take his place.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
01-02-2012, 09:47 PM
Best part of this is that Polian won't be on the competition committee anymore.

Perhaps someone that thinks hitting should be part of the game will take his place.

Excellent point tip. Rooney should fight to get a Steelers rep into the vacancy.

RuthlessBurgher
01-02-2012, 09:50 PM
Best part of this is that Polian won't be on the competition committee anymore.

Perhaps someone that thinks hitting should be part of the game will take his place.

Excellent point tip. Rooney should fight to get a Steelers rep into the vacancy.

Jeff Fisher also had a large influence on the competition committee for years, until the Titans let him go. I wonder now if he takes one of these open jobs if he jumps right back onto that committee, or if he devotes his sole focus to his new team instead.

tiproast
01-02-2012, 09:58 PM
Excellent point tip. Rooney should fight to get a Steelers rep into the vacancy.
That would be fine with me. I don't think the Pats would have any trouble adjusting to new competition committee edicts - with the personnel we have now (two good TEs, rebuilt offensive line) I think the offense would be fine playing a more physical style. I liked the way the 2001-2004 Pats teams were constructed and the kind of football they played. If a Steelers rep on the competition committee could help get the league back to that style, that would be a good thing IMO.

And any adjustments to the ways the rules are enforced that helps the defense can't make the Pats D any worse. :D

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
01-02-2012, 10:14 PM
This firing is well deserved as the Polians hung their hats on Peyton Manning and have never done a thing to form a backup plan. This season's misery was less about how great a QB Manning is and more about how lousy a job the organization did in preparing for an injury to him. It is just remarkable that it took this long to expose this poor planning.

Chadman
01-02-2012, 10:26 PM
Here's a thought...Manning to the Dolphins...would attract Bill Cowher back to coaching?

feltdizz
01-02-2012, 11:28 PM
This firing is well deserved as the Polians hung their hats on Peyton Manning and have never done a thing to form a backup plan. This season's misery was less about how great a QB Manning is and more about how lousy a job the organization did in preparing for an injury to him. It is just remarkable that it took this long to expose this poor planning.

I disagree. The Polians had 10+ years of success with their poor planning.
Giving Manning a new contract with this neck problem is the only reason they were fired.

Captain Lemming
01-03-2012, 12:40 AM
i bet the jets go hard after peyton too

If Peyton can heal up, that is a truly scary thought.
Not his style of team/ coaching though IMHO.

But if Peyton just wants to win regardless of the knuckleheads around him it could work.

hawaiiansteel
01-03-2012, 01:10 AM
January 2, 2012

Peyton Manning: Firing 'very tough'

ESPN.com news services


The Indianapolis Colts have fired team vice chairman Bill Polian and his son, Chris, the Colts' general manager -- a decision that left franchise quarterback Peyton Manning "stunned."

Owner Jim Irsay announced the moves Monday, one day after the team finished the year 2-14 without Manning. Coach Jim Caldwell was retained, but Irsay said that evaluation was still ongoing.

Strangely enough, Manning, whose season-ending neck injury and subsequent surgeries sent the Colts down the path to the No. 1 pick, was meeting with Bill Polian when Polian was summoned away for a meeting with Irsay on Monday afternoon.

"I was stunned, I was surprised, I was saddened and just disappointed that it all happened this way," Manning told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen by telephone. "I was actually meeting with Bill in the training room and we were talking about my rehab schedule, what I could and couldn't do in the facility under the new (collective bargaining agreement) and my checkpoints when he was summoned to see Irsay. He actually chuckled and said, 'We'll see.' "

Manning said he and Polian later had a very emotional meeting when the quarterback learned that the man who drafted him with the No. 1 pick in 1998 had been let go.

"Bill and I and Chris Polian has been here the whole time, too, had a great ride with tremendous highs and it makes me very sad that this ends on such a negative note," said Manning. "I knew when the Colts hired Bill with his track record in Buffalo and Carolina, that I would be very happy to be a part of an organization he ran. And that proved to be true. I knew he would hire the best coaches, provide the best possible surroundings, give me great teammates and he did that and I will be forever indebted to him."

Since making Manning the top overall selection, the Colts have celebrated 141 regular-season wins, 11 playoff appearances, six division titles, two AFC championships and one Super Bowl title. During that span, there have been only three head coaches, two offensive coordinators and one family making the personnel moves.

"I used to think nobody hated losing more than I did or was more miserable after a loss. I decided it was a tie between me and Bill," Manning told Mortensen. "And I stay in the building pretty late and he was always here working, too. Personally, my goodness, so many thoughts. He was one of the last guys to leave my wedding with Ashley (his wife). This is very, very tough."

But without its franchise quarterback and star player at the helm this season, the losses came in bunches for Indianapolis.

"I felt that it was time for a change, that there was a need for a change," Irsay said Monday, flanked by his three daughters. "Bill had entered a role where he was less involved, but still quite a bit involved because of the lockout and Peyton's injury and the losing streak. He was around a lot more than he probably anticipated or I did. But it really was a question about both situations. I thought that it was time to change the personnel department on the football side of things that wasn't involved with the coaching."

Bill Polian declined to comment when The Associated Press contacted him by phone, but did issue a statement through the team.

"I'm grateful for all the support the fans have shown us in good times and bad," Polian said. "Indianapolis has been a wonderful place to live and work. Most of all, I would like to thank the players coaches and staff who have played the pivotal role in this magnificent journey. I will miss them all."

In the end, it was the Polians' inability to find a suitable backup for Manning that doomed the Colts.

With Manning struggling to come back from May surgery on his neck, Indy brought 17-year veteran Kerry Collins out of retirement in late August with a $4 million contract. He didn't last a month.

Collins was replaced by Curtis Painter, who started well but struggled badly after Bill Polian said he felt "vindicated" by Painter's success.

The Colts lost their first 13 games, finished with the second-fewest victories since the team moved to Indianapolis in 1984 and wound up with the No. 1 draft pick.

Bill Polian repeatedly said he should be blamed if there was a talent deficiency.

Chris Polian, who was named the team's GM four years ago but didn't start making the day-to-day decisions until this season, got caught in the crossfire. He was seen leaving the team complex Monday afternoon, just about the time word leaked of the firings.

"To think that just less than less than two years ago we were getting ready to go to Miami and play in a Super Bowl, and we were cleaning off the confetti from the turf in Lucas Oil Stadium, it has been a very sharp decline," Irsay said. "Even after going 10-6 last year, if people had said you would have the No. 1 draft pick and go 2-14, nobody would have believed it."

Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck is the presumed No. 1 pick in April's draft and there has been question as to whether Manning and Luck could co-exist on the same roster.

For his part, Manning said Sunday, "I think I can co-exist with any player I've ever played with. I think I've always been a good teammate in that way."

However, questions remain about Manning's health and the viability of taking a quarterback with the No. 1 pick. Manning, who signed a five-year, $90 million deal in July, never played after undergoing his third neck surgery in 19 months, a fusion of two vertebrae to fix a damaged nerve that was causing weakness in his throwing arm.

He did, however, start throwing to teammates in mid-December and received good reviews from both Bill Polian, who was watching, and running back Joseph Addai, who was catching balls. Doctors familiar with the procedure who did not treat Manning say he should return to a high level of play now that the fusion has healed.

If he is healthy, Irsay has promised to bring back Manning regardless of the $28 million bonus he is owed in March.

Manning told Mortensen on Monday that he has not yet spoken to Irsay about his future with the franchise.

"That's what Bill and I were talking about when he was pulled away -- I asked him about my physical checkpoints," the four-time league MVP said. "I wanted to know if he thought Feb. 7 or 8 (was) a good time for the next one and he told me just make it March 1st. Honestly, I don't know. my rehab is a marathon. Some days are real good, some days are just OK and some days aren't so good. I'm going to just keep grinding but now is the time to pay tribute to Bill and not talk about me."

While Manning is the face of the franchise, the Polians' dismissal caught many Colts players off-guard.

"Shock, man, just shock," safety Antoine Bethea said after finding out the Polians were gone. "I knew there were going to be some things happening, but I didn't expect them to come so soon."

Irsay has not established a timeline for finding a new general manager, though he said he would start contacting other GMs and teams Monday night.

No decision on Caldwell is expected to be made until after the GM is hired, though players have overwhelmingly supported him.

"One thing about Jim is that he's a stand-up guy, and guys respect that," cornerback Jerraud Powers said. "He's a great coach, a good guy, and it was unfortunate situation this year. But he never lost the locker room."

Irsay said there's a good chance Caldwell will be back, but for how long remains to be seen.

A team source told ESPN's Ed Werder that Caldwell met with his staff following the firings and informed them they were being retained but there were no guarantees at this time. According to the source, those involved in the talk understood Caldwell's words to to mean the Colts' next general manager would decide their fate.

Besides deciding Caldwell's future, whoever replaces Polian faces an abundance of decisions in a major rebuilding effort.

If Manning returns, Irsay might be more likely to bring back former Pro Bowlers Robert Mathis, Jeff Saturday and Reggie Wayne, all of whom are now in their 30s, and keep other key high-priced cogs in the Colts' success such as Brackett and safety Melvin Bullitt.

But the Polians will no longer be making those decisions.

"Bill and I had a chance to have a second meeting and to have some tears and a hug, and that was good," Irsay said. "It's extremely difficult. Walking out of the locker room in Jacksonville that was a hard walk, and it's hard because my affection for them is deep."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/74149 ... d-decision (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7414912/indianapolis-colts-fire-bill-polian-chris-polian-peyton-manning-stunned-decision)

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
01-03-2012, 10:32 AM
This firing is well deserved as the Polians hung their hats on Peyton Manning and have never done a thing to form a backup plan. This season's misery was less about how great a QB Manning is and more about how lousy a job the organization did in preparing for an injury to him. It is just remarkable that it took this long to expose this poor planning.

I disagree. The Polians had 10+ years of success with their poor planning.
Giving Manning a new contract with this neck problem is the only reason they were fired.

Or they had 10+ years of being lucky enough that a QB in the NFL was never injured prior to this.

phillyesq
01-03-2012, 12:10 PM
This firing is well deserved as the Polians hung their hats on Peyton Manning and have never done a thing to form a backup plan. This season's misery was less about how great a QB Manning is and more about how lousy a job the organization did in preparing for an injury to him. It is just remarkable that it took this long to expose this poor planning.

I disagree. The Polians had 10+ years of success with their poor planning.
Giving Manning a new contract with this neck problem is the only reason they were fired.

The Polians failed to have a backup plan in place despite the neck issue. Additionally, they have drafted very poorly recently. Not sure how Costanzo was this year, but their past first rounders included Jerry Hughes (who?), Donald Brown, Anthony Gonzalez, Joseph Addai and Marlin Jackson.

You really have to go back to Wayne-Freeney-Clark in 2001-2003 to see the last time the Colts hit on a first round pick.

pick6
01-03-2012, 01:30 PM
heard that on the radio.... make no mistake, this was done to make it a whole lot easier to release Manning. Hello Luck, welcome to Indy....

Wow, this is crazy, just heard about this. So I guess they were loyal to Peyton ? Seems that the Polian name has always been associated with the Colts franchise, must have been a serious falling out.

And yeah, where will Manning end up?

Why the heck did they give him all that money with a bad neck? This was a gift and it wasn't based on what he could do for the team moving forward. They basically handicapped themselves with that contract.

I see the same thing happening with Andy Reid and Vick if they have another subpar year.

I know, how do you gift a guy 20 mil on his way out the door. This guy might not play again. I guess your right ownership didn't like the franchise being mortgaged for nothing.

Ghost
01-03-2012, 02:51 PM
I think falling to 2 wins shows how much that team relied on 1 player and how the front office had not done much of anything to ensure the rest of the team was ready to roll. And while it's not entirely true, this year certainly makes it look as if the Polian's were a one trick pony who fell into a great situation getting a unanimus, first ballot hall of fame QB who's never had signifigant injury prior to this year.

Spending $4 million on Kerry Collins - who was done in 1 month, most certainly played a role in the decision too. Absolutely horrible.

I think they owner should take as much responsibility as the GM and Ops folks for the contract they are straddled with for PM. He signs the checks but isn't likely to fire himself.

RuthlessBurgher
01-03-2012, 08:52 PM
If not for "lucking" out with Andrew Luck, I think the Colts could have been set up for a serious tailspin back into the dregs of the league on a regular basis. I wouldn't trust Jim Irsay one bit if I were a Colts fan. If you read any of his tweets (who the hell needs a tweeting owner anyway?), he is either really stupid, or else high most of the time. He strikes me as the NFL equivalent of James Dolan (MSG, the New York Knicks). Sometimes, keeping a team within the family from generation to generation is a great thing (like the Rooneys, Maras, etc.) but Irsay seems to be more of a "Billy Madison" type of inheritance child (like, say, Mike Brown, for instance). I could see him talking to invisible penguins or arguing with himself in the bathtub about whether shampoo or conditioner is better.

aggiebones
01-03-2012, 11:31 PM
Frankly, his team laid an egg without Manning.

Why should he retain his job.
Charlie could get the Steelers to close to .500 if Ben is out. How could they be THAT bad without Manning...unless he is all they have.

feltdizz
01-03-2012, 11:47 PM
Frankly, his team laid an egg without Manning.

Why should he retain his job.
Charlie could get the Steelers to close to .500 if Ben is out. How could they be THAT bad without Manning...unless he is all they have.

They weren't as bad as their record but if you listened to player interviews once they lost Peyton you could tell the players gave up.

I honestly thought the whole FO was OK with losing to get Luck and the new contract was a thanks for the memories. Doesn't make sense to give all that money after a neck fusion unless you knew you weren't getting it back and it was a Luck coaching stipend.

tiproast
01-04-2012, 12:09 AM
Frankly, his team laid an egg without Manning.

Why should he retain his job.
Charlie could get the Steelers to close to .500 if Ben is out. How could they be THAT bad without Manning...unless he is all they have.
They have no NFL starting quality backup QB, and they have a head coach that's way out of his depth (he was out of his depth at Wake Forest). Most of their good players (Wayne, Clark, Saturday, Freeney, Mathis) are getting up there in age.

The Colts were built in the late 90s when they were picking early because they were so bad. They had a #2 overall (Marshall Faulk), a #1 overall (Manning), and a #4 overall (Edgerrin James). Polian did a good job with those picks and a couple of others, but the team has been living off those picks for the last 10+ years. He hasn't reloaded on the fly like other teams have done, and when his QB went down, his team was exposed.

When you're bad for multiple years a row, like the Colts were in the 90s (and the Lions more recently), your team should have a bunch of young studs on it that all get into their prime at the same time.

Contrast the Colts without Manning with the Steelers and Pats - what's the Steelers record when Ben has been out? 5-1, I think, over the last two years. The Pats went 11-5 in 2008 (the year Brady went out in the 1st quarter of the first game). That kind of result is because of good team building and good coaching (and not only game day coaching, but coaching up players during practice).

And those teams have done it while drafting in the high 20s and low 30s every year. Drafting in that area every year for the past few years has had an effect on the Colts roster and has shown that Polian has lost something on his fastball.

Captain Lemming
01-04-2012, 12:32 AM
Frankly, his team laid an egg without Manning.

Why should he retain his job.
Charlie could get the Steelers to close to .500 if Ben is out. How could they be THAT bad without Manning...unless he is all they have.
They have no NFL starting quality backup QB, and they have a head coach that's way out of his depth (he was out of his depth at Wake Forest). Most of their good players (Wayne, Clark, Saturday, Freeney, Mathis) are getting up there in age.

The Colts were built in the late 90s when they were picking early because they were so bad. They had a #2 overall (Marshall Faulk), a #1 overall (Manning), and a #4 overall (Edgerrin James). Polian did a good job with those picks and a couple of others, but the team has been living off those picks for the last 10+ years. He hasn't reloaded on the fly like other teams have done, and when his QB went down, his team was exposed.

When you're bad for multiple years a row, like the Colts were in the 90s (and the Lions more recently), your team should have a bunch of young studs on it that all get into their prime at the same time.

Contrast the Colts without Manning with the Steelers and Pats - what's the Steelers record when Ben has been out? 5-1, I think, over the last two years. The Pats went 11-5 in 2008 (the year Brady went out in the 1st quarter of the first game). That kind of result is because of good team building and good coaching (and not only game day coaching, but coaching up players during practice).

And those teams have done it while drafting in the high 20s and low 30s every year. Drafting in that area every year for the past few years has had an effect on the Colts roster and has shown that Polian has lost something on his fastball.

Can you go away?
You make too much sense that it is hard to hate you.

I see that Steve Grogan logo.....then you go and say sound more posiive about the Steelers than many Steeler fans.
You seek to create some UNHOLY kinship between our teams, I feel nausea.......but it is kind of true! STOP! I am not comfortable with that concept!

If you wont go away, can you PLEASE talk smack LIKE A REAL TROLL, so I can hate you.

The respect you show here and that logo ....it has me all confused... :shock: