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RuthlessBurgher
01-02-2012, 01:22 PM
For all of you mock draft junkies out there:


2012 NFL draft order after Week 17
January, 1, 2012
By ESPN.com staff
Below is the 2012 NFL draft order for the 20 non-playoff teams.

2012 NFL Draft Order: Top 20 Picks

Order Team Record Schedule strength
1. Indianapolis Colts 2-14 .539
2. St. Louis Rams 2-14 .590
3. Minnesota Vikings 3-13 .559
4. Cleveland Browns 4-12 .531
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-12 .551
6. Washington Redskins 5-11 .477
7. Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11 .500
8/9. Carolina Panthers* 6-10 .504
8/9. Miami Dolphins* 6-10 .504
10. Buffalo Bills 6-10 .520
11/12. Kansas City Chiefs* 7-9 .512
11/12. Seattle Seahawks* 7-9 .512
13. Arizona Cardinals 8-8 .469
14. Dallas Cowboys 8-8 .473
15. Philadelphia Eagles 8-8 .488
16. New York Jets 8-8 .500
17. Oakland Raiders 8-8 .504
18. San Diego Chargers 8-8 .516
19. Chicago Bears 8-8 .527
20. Tennessee Titans 9-7 .563

*Order determined by coin flip.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/51322/2012-nfl-draft-order-after-week-17

I believe the Bengals already own the Raiders' #17 pick because of the Carson Palmer trade (we won't know about where their own pick will land until they lose in the playoffs). In addition to the Browns' 4th overall pick, they will also own Atlanta's first round pick because of the Julio Jones trade, but we won't know where that will be until the Falcons lose in the playoffs. Also, New England holds both their own as well as New Orleans first round pick because of the Mark Ingram trade, but the whereabouts of both of those picks are still up in the air pending playoff results from both teams.

RuthlessBurgher
01-02-2012, 01:46 PM
The Colts are going to take Luck, but do you think that Holmgren puts an end to this Colt McCoy/Seneca Wallace experiment and trades the #4 overall pick and its late first round pick from the Falcons to move up a couple of slots to guarantee themselves RGIII?

According to the trade value chart, the #2 pick is worth 2600, the #4 pick is worth 1800, and the currently unknown picks (pending playoff results) between 21 and 32 are worth anywhere from 590 to 800 points.

focosteeler
01-02-2012, 02:30 PM
The Colts are going to take Luck, but do you think that Holmgren puts an end to this Colt McCoy/Seneca Wallace experiment and trades the #4 overall pick and its late first round pick from the Falcons to move up a couple of slots to guarantee themselves RGIII?

According to the trade value chart, the #2 pick is worth 2600, the #4 pick is worth 1800, and the currently unknown picks (pending playoff results) between 21 and 32 are worth anywhere from 590 to 800 points.

I think they wait and use their the late 1st or 2nd rounder to get a QB. They need playmakers on offense, especially if they don't bring back hillis, a true #1 reciever and possibly a RB. then take a QB, hope to find another Dalton. I think QB is a big need but they also might find a FA, possibly Matt Flynn?

RuthlessBurgher
01-02-2012, 03:31 PM
The Colts are going to take Luck, but do you think that Holmgren puts an end to this Colt McCoy/Seneca Wallace experiment and trades the #4 overall pick and its late first round pick from the Falcons to move up a couple of slots to guarantee themselves RGIII?

According to the trade value chart, the #2 pick is worth 2600, the #4 pick is worth 1800, and the currently unknown picks (pending playoff results) between 21 and 32 are worth anywhere from 590 to 800 points.

I think they wait and use their the late 1st or 2nd rounder to get a QB. They need playmakers on offense, especially if they don't bring back hillis, a true #1 reciever and possibly a RB. then take a QB, hope to find another Dalton. I think QB is a big need but they also might find a FA, possibly Matt Flynn?

Now that you mention it, Holmgren got Hasselbeck for Seattle when he was a backup to Favre in Green Bay. Perhaps he could do the same thing in getting Rodgers' backup in Green Bay, Matt Flynn. Then they could take, say, the top WR prospect Justin Blackmon from Oklahoma State with their own pick and potentially the second best RB prospect Lamar Miller from Miami with Atlanta's pick (Alabama's Trent Richardson likely to be off the board by their second pick).

hawaiiansteel
01-04-2012, 02:04 AM
MONDAY, JANUARY 02, 2012

2012 NFL Draft order

By The Associated Press


W L Pct Pct W L

1. Indianapolis Colts 2 14 .125 .539 138 118
2. St. Louis Rams 2 14 .125 .590 151 105
3. Minnesota Vikings 3 13 .188 .559 143 113
4. Cleveland Browns 4 12 .250 .531 136 120
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4 12 .250 .551 141 115
6. Washington Redskins 5 11 .313 .477 122 134
7. Jacksonville Jaguars 5 11 .313 .500 128 128
8. Carolina Panthers-x 6 10 .375 .504 129 127
9. Miami Dolphins-x 6 10 .375 .504 129 127
10. Buffalo Bills 6 10 .375 .520 133 123
11. Kansas City Chiefs-x 7 9 .438 .512 131 125
12. Seattle Seahawks-x 7 9 .438 .512 131 125
13. Arizona Cardinals 8 8 .500 .469 120 136
14. Dallas Cowboys 8 8 .500 .473 121 135
15. Philadelphia Eagles 8 8 .500 .488 125 131
16. New York Jets 8 8 .500 .500 128 128
17. Oakland Raiders 8 8 .500 .504 129 127
18. San Diego Chargers 8 8 .500 .516 132 124
19. Chicago Bears 8 8 .500 .527 135 121
20. Tennessee Titans 9 7 .563 .461 118 138
21. Denver Broncos-y 8 8 .500 .520 133 123
22. Cincinnati Bengals-y 9 7 .563 .492 126 130
23. New York Giants-y 9 7 .563 .520 133 123
24. Houston Texans-y 10 6 .625 .453 116 140
25. Atlanta Falcons-y 10 6 .625 .480 123 133
26. Detroit Lions-y 10 6 .625 .535 137 119
27. Baltimore Ravens-y 12 4 .750 .477 122 134
28. Pittsburgh Steelers-y 12 4 .750 .492 126 130
29. New Orleans Saints-y 13 3 .813 .441 113 143
30. New England Patriots-y,x 13 3 .813 .449 115 141
31. San Francisco 49ers-y,x 13 3 .813 .449 115 141
32. Green Bay Packers-y 15 1 .938 .457 117 139

x-Subject to coin flip
y-Subject to playoffs

posted by Dale Lolley

http://www.observer-reporter.com/or/sidelines/

Chadman
01-04-2012, 02:35 AM
It's funny...only 2 teams out of the top 13 are drafting higher than Chadman would have suspected- The Colts & the Bucs. The rest are drafting where...well, history, tells us they normally draft- early.

What's the real value of high draft picks if you are continually drafting high? Obviously, something about these organisations & their preparation for the future is not working.

Makes you start to think about the success (or 'failure' in some fans eyes) of the Steelers drafts under Colbert, Tomlin, Cowher etc...in theory- nearly every team in the NFL should have a greater overall spread of talent on their roster- they simply always seem to draft higher, you'd expect they would be better players right?

But yet, when was the last time the Steelers got a top 10 pick? Burress? And he's a year past retiring anyway.

Slapstick
01-04-2012, 10:08 AM
San Francisco is starting to show the results of often drafting high...

So is Detroit, but to a lesser extent...

fordfixer
01-04-2012, 05:45 PM
MONDAY, JANUARY 02, 2012

2012 NFL Draft order

By The Associated Press


W L Pct Pct W L

1. Indianapolis Colts 2 14 .125 .539 138 118
2. St. Louis Rams 2 14 .125 .590 151 105
3. Minnesota Vikings 3 13 .188 .559 143 113
4. Cleveland Browns 4 12 .250 .531 136 120
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4 12 .250 .551 141 115
6. Washington Redskins 5 11 .313 .477 122 134
7. Jacksonville Jaguars 5 11 .313 .500 128 128
8. Carolina Panthers-x 6 10 .375 .504 129 127
9. Miami Dolphins-x 6 10 .375 .504 129 127
10. Buffalo Bills 6 10 .375 .520 133 123
11. Kansas City Chiefs-x 7 9 .438 .512 131 125
12. Seattle Seahawks-x 7 9 .438 .512 131 125
13. Arizona Cardinals 8 8 .500 .469 120 136
14. Dallas Cowboys 8 8 .500 .473 121 135
15. Philadelphia Eagles 8 8 .500 .488 125 131
16. New York Jets 8 8 .500 .500 128 128
17. Oakland Raiders 8 8 .500 .504 129 127
18. San Diego Chargers 8 8 .500 .516 132 124
19. Chicago Bears 8 8 .500 .527 135 121
20. Tennessee Titans 9 7 .563 .461 118 138
21. Denver Broncos-y 8 8 .500 .520 133 123
22. Cincinnati Bengals-y 9 7 .563 .492 126 130
23. New York Giants-y 9 7 .563 .520 133 123
24. Houston Texans-y 10 6 .625 .453 116 140
25. Atlanta Falcons-y 10 6 .625 .480 123 133
26. Detroit Lions-y 10 6 .625 .535 137 119
27. Baltimore Ravens-y 12 4 .750 .477 122 134
28. Pittsburgh Steelers-y 12 4 .750 .492 126 130
29. New Orleans Saints-y 13 3 .813 .441 113 143
30. New England Patriots-y,x 13 3 .813 .449 115 141
31. San Francisco 49ers-y,x 13 3 .813 .449 115 141
32. Green Bay Packers-y 15 1 .938 .457 117 139

x-Subject to coin flip
y-Subject to playoffs

posted by Dale Lolley

http://www.observer-reporter.com/or/sidelines/
How do two NFC teams pick 32 and 32?????

RuthlessBurgher
01-04-2012, 08:55 PM
How do two NFC teams pick 32 and 32?????

y-Subject to playoffs

Only the top 20 picks are finalized at this point (other than those two coin flips). We won't know who is picking 21-32 until the Super Bowl is in the books.

fordfixer
01-04-2012, 09:39 PM
How do two NFC teams pick 32 and 32?????

y-Subject to playoffs

Only the top 20 picks are finalized at this point (other than those two coin flips). We won't know who is picking 21-32 until the Super Bowl is in the books.
Oops I meant 31 and 32 One of the two has to be from the AFC

SteelBucks
01-09-2012, 12:07 AM
How do two NFC teams pick 32 and 32?????

y-Subject to playoffs

Only the top 20 picks are finalized at this point (other than those two coin flips). We won't know who is picking 21-32 until the Super Bowl is in the books.

NFL Network has the Steelers picking 24th.