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flippy
01-01-2012, 10:07 PM
So Hines is the 8th guy to reach 1000 receptions. He's gonna have SuperBowl #3 after this year's done. He's a lock for HOF. But as the NFL becomes a passing league where prima dona QBs and WRs can't be touched, we're gonna see more and more Drew Brees like stats.

And it's gonna lead to WRs with monster receptions and monster yardage.

So is it in Hines' best interest to get out now rather than hang on for a few more seasons and pick up a handful of extra catches? If he gets out now, his numbers will look better in 5 years to HOF voters than they're gonna look in 7 or 8 years.

If Hines' goes out this year, he waltzes into the HOF in the first ballot. But if he waits, he might have to wait to get in.

Slapstick
01-01-2012, 11:53 PM
To me, it's all up to Hines.

If he's deserving of the HoF in 5 years, he'll still be deserving in 6 or 7.

If he wants to stay in Pittsburgh, he'll probably have to renegotiate his contract...reduce his salary and accept incentives.

They will probably have to cut some veteran players and probably won't be able to re-sign others (Cotchery, Starks, Gay). A veteran like Hines would be welcome.

Captain Lemming
01-02-2012, 02:13 AM
To me, it's all up to Hines.

If he's deserving of the HoF in 5 years, he'll still be deserving in 6 or 7.

If he wants to stay in Pittsburgh, he'll probably have to renegotiate his contract...reduce his salary and accept incentives.

They will probably have to cut some veteran players and probably won't be able to re-sign others (Cotchery, Starks, Gay). A veteran like Hines would be welcome.

I do get Flippys point though. The longer Hines waits, especially if he has very limited production, his numbers will look less and less impressive. Other HOF worthy peers will retire to in the meantime. He is top 10 today, in 5 years he will be further down the list, in say 7 years what if he drops to 15 or lower? I do believe it might hurt his chances.

Shoe
01-02-2012, 04:09 AM
I agree that if he wants to maximize his "it factor" time, it's now. But he doesn't thnk like that. He seems to still love to play, and so he'll probably keep playing. And YOU KNOW there is an open spot for him, just like for ALL former Steelers, in Arizona.

Oviedo
01-02-2012, 04:09 PM
IMO Hines still has value to this team even if it is as the #5. However I think Cotchery will be the key to a successful play off run.

eniparadoxgma
01-03-2012, 12:21 PM
IMO Hines still has value to this team even if it is as the #5. However I think Cotchery will be the key to a successful play off run.

Agree with the first part, not so much with the second. Cotchery has shown up for us this year but I don't think he's an integral part of the offense.

RuthlessBurgher
01-03-2012, 02:19 PM
If Hines' goes out this year, he waltzes into the HOF in the first ballot. But if he waits, he might have to wait to get in.

Tim Brown has 94 more receptions and 20 more TD's than Hines.

Cris Carter has 101 more receptions and 45 more TD's than Hines.

Neither of these guys waltzed into the HOF on the first ballot (in fact, they are both still waiting). We shouldn't assume that Hines is any type of stone cold lock in spite of the two rings, the one Super Bowl MVP, and the "best blocking WR" mantle. Dermontti Dawson is arguably the best center of all time, and he is still waiting for his call (hopefully not much longer). After having so many guys from the 70's get inducted, it is getting harder and harder for Steelers of more recent generations to qualify.

rpmpit
01-03-2012, 02:24 PM
If Hines' goes out this year, he waltzes into the HOF in the first ballot. But if he waits, he might have to wait to get in.

Tim Brown has 94 more receptions and 20 more TD's than Hines.

Cris Carter has 101 more receptions and 45 more TD's than Hines.

Neither of these guys waltzed into the HOF on the first ballot (in fact, they are both still waiting). We shouldn't assume that Hines is any type of stone cold lock in spite of the two rings, the one Super Bowl MVP, and the "best blocking WR" mantle. Dermontti Dawson is arguably the best center of all time, and he is still waiting for his call (hopefully not much longer). After having so many guys from the 70's get inducted, it is getting harder and harder for Steelers of more recent generations to qualify.


All good points. But (just like the pro bowl) its a popularity contest. And who is more popular than Hines?? I think regardless if he retires now or waits a few years, he's a first ballot HOFer.

sd steel
01-03-2012, 03:10 PM
They don't pay you for being in the HOF.

Oviedo
01-03-2012, 03:49 PM
If Hines' goes out this year, he waltzes into the HOF in the first ballot. But if he waits, he might have to wait to get in.

Tim Brown has 94 more receptions and 20 more TD's than Hines.

Cris Carter has 101 more receptions and 45 more TD's than Hines.

Neither of these guys waltzed into the HOF on the first ballot (in fact, they are both still waiting). We shouldn't assume that Hines is any type of stone cold lock in spite of the two rings, the one Super Bowl MVP, and the "best blocking WR" mantle. Dermontti Dawson is arguably the best center of all time, and he is still waiting for his call (hopefully not much longer). After having so many guys from the 70's get inducted, it is getting harder and harder for Steelers of more recent generations to qualify.


All good points. But (just like the pro bowl) its a popularity contest. And who is more popular than Hines?? I think regardless if he retires now or waits a few years, he's a first ballot HOFer.


It's not a popularity contest it is a blatant anti-Steelers bias on the part of the voters.

The reality is that right or wrong there is a perception that there are too many Steelers in the HoF and voters IMO look for any alternative to voting for another Steeler. Keep in mind that the league wants every fan to feel good about themseleves and their teams whether justified or not. No one is encouraged to be superior or better than the rest.
Therefore the league and their hand picked cadre of voters doesn't want to see a proportionally out of balance number of Steelers in the HoF.

That is why guys like Dawson, Carnell Lake and LC Greenwood won't see the HoF until they are old and grey and only then when they are put in by a veterans committee. Both Hines and Ben are going to experience the exact same type of prejudice.

flippy
01-03-2012, 03:54 PM
If Hines' goes out this year, he waltzes into the HOF in the first ballot. But if he waits, he might have to wait to get in.

Tim Brown has 94 more receptions and 20 more TD's than Hines.

Cris Carter has 101 more receptions and 45 more TD's than Hines.

Neither of these guys waltzed into the HOF on the first ballot (in fact, they are both still waiting). We shouldn't assume that Hines is any type of stone cold lock in spite of the two rings, the one Super Bowl MVP, and the "best blocking WR" mantle. Dermontti Dawson is arguably the best center of all time, and he is still waiting for his call (hopefully not much longer). After having so many guys from the 70's get inducted, it is getting harder and harder for Steelers of more recent generations to qualify.

Did either of those 2 win Dancing With the Stars? Hines did and that's why he's waltzing in....

C'Mon RB. It's about the Mirror Ball Trophy. And he's getting a 3rd SuperBowl this year.

rpmpit
01-03-2012, 03:59 PM
If Hines' goes out this year, he waltzes into the HOF in the first ballot. But if he waits, he might have to wait to get in.

Tim Brown has 94 more receptions and 20 more TD's than Hines.

Cris Carter has 101 more receptions and 45 more TD's than Hines.

Neither of these guys waltzed into the HOF on the first ballot (in fact, they are both still waiting). We shouldn't assume that Hines is any type of stone cold lock in spite of the two rings, the one Super Bowl MVP, and the "best blocking WR" mantle. Dermontti Dawson is arguably the best center of all time, and he is still waiting for his call (hopefully not much longer). After having so many guys from the 70's get inducted, it is getting harder and harder for Steelers of more recent generations to qualify.


All good points. But (just like the pro bowl) its a popularity contest. And who is more popular than Hines?? I think regardless if he retires now or waits a few years, he's a first ballot HOFer.


It's not a popularity contest it is a blatant anti-Steelers bias on the part of the voters.

The reality is that right or wrong there is a perception that there are too many Steelers in the HoF and voters IMO look for any alternative to voting for another Steeler. Keep in mind that the league wants every fan to feel good about themseleves and their teams whether justified or not. No one is encouraged to be superior or better than the rest.
Therefore the league and their hand picked cadre of voters doesn't want to see a proportionally out of balance number of Steelers in the HoF.

That is why guys like Dawson, Carnell Lake and LC Greenwood won't see the HoF until they are old and grey and only then when they are put in by a veterans committee. Both Hines and Ben are going to experience the exact same type of prejudice.

Not disagreeing on guys like Dirt, Lake and LC. But how do you explain Woodson and LeBeau going in over the last few years??

Doogie36
01-03-2012, 04:15 PM
His DUI isnt going to help his case!

feltdizz
01-03-2012, 04:29 PM
If Hines' goes out this year, he waltzes into the HOF in the first ballot. But if he waits, he might have to wait to get in.

Tim Brown has 94 more receptions and 20 more TD's than Hines.

Cris Carter has 101 more receptions and 45 more TD's than Hines.

Neither of these guys waltzed into the HOF on the first ballot (in fact, they are both still waiting). We shouldn't assume that Hines is any type of stone cold lock in spite of the two rings, the one Super Bowl MVP, and the "best blocking WR" mantle. Dermontti Dawson is arguably the best center of all time, and he is still waiting for his call (hopefully not much longer). After having so many guys from the 70's get inducted, it is getting harder and harder for Steelers of more recent generations to qualify.

He shouldn't be a lock in spite of 2 SB rings, a SB MVP and the best blocking WR label? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dirt obviously isn't the best center of all time or he would be in... I know fans like to hold off on other players until their pick gets in but that isn't how it works.

Hines is the ultimate football player in terms of WR. He should waltz in past other WR's with better numbers because the hardware elevates players.

When some of your stats have SB next to them it changes the whole argument. Hines has been to 3 SB's.... that counts a ton.

feltdizz
01-03-2012, 04:30 PM
His DUI isnt going to help his case!

I seriously doubt the voters will hold that against him.

Slapstick
01-03-2012, 05:28 PM
Tim Brown has 94 more receptions and 20 more TD's than Hines.

Cris Carter has 101 more receptions and 45 more TD's than Hines.

This is true...

The thing that separates Hines from these two guys is post-season production, which is a huge factor in the minds of HoF voters...post-season play is why Lynn Swann is in the HoF...

Cris Carter = 14 games - 63 Rec - 870 Yds - 8 TDs (4.5 Rec/62.14 Yds per game)

Tim Brown = 12 games - 45 Rec - 581 Yds - 3 TDs (3.2 Rec/48.41 Yds per game)

Hines Ward = 17 games - 88 Rec - 1181 Yds - 10 TDs (5.2 Rec/69.47 Yds per game)

The fact that Hines played more post-season games than either of them yet still has higher per game numbers is huge...hell, he had 7 catches for 78 yards and a TD in last year's SB, at a month short of 35 years old!!!

Unlike Brown and Carter, Hines' post season numbers per game are better than his regular season numbers (through 2010...not counting 2011 until after post-season play is complete) = 4.7 Rec/58.21 Yds per game...Hines elevates his game in the playoffs while Carter and Brown did not...

And the DUI? If Michael Irvin's cocaine use didn't keep him out, I doubt a DUI will be the difference in Hines making it...

RuthlessBurgher
01-03-2012, 09:07 PM
If Hines' goes out this year, he waltzes into the HOF in the first ballot. But if he waits, he might have to wait to get in.

Tim Brown has 94 more receptions and 20 more TD's than Hines.

Cris Carter has 101 more receptions and 45 more TD's than Hines.

Neither of these guys waltzed into the HOF on the first ballot (in fact, they are both still waiting). We shouldn't assume that Hines is any type of stone cold lock in spite of the two rings, the one Super Bowl MVP, and the "best blocking WR" mantle. Dermontti Dawson is arguably the best center of all time, and he is still waiting for his call (hopefully not much longer). After having so many guys from the 70's get inducted, it is getting harder and harder for Steelers of more recent generations to qualify.


All good points. But (just like the pro bowl) its a popularity contest. And who is more popular than Hines?? I think regardless if he retires now or waits a few years, he's a first ballot HOFer.


It's not a popularity contest it is a blatant anti-Steelers bias on the part of the voters.

The reality is that right or wrong there is a perception that there are too many Steelers in the HoF and voters IMO look for any alternative to voting for another Steeler. Keep in mind that the league wants every fan to feel good about themseleves and their teams whether justified or not. No one is encouraged to be superior or better than the rest.
Therefore the league and their hand picked cadre of voters doesn't want to see a proportionally out of balance number of Steelers in the HoF.

That is why guys like Dawson, Carnell Lake and LC Greenwood won't see the HoF until they are old and grey and only then when they are put in by a veterans committee. Both Hines and Ben are going to experience the exact same type of prejudice.

Not disagreeing on guys like Dirt, Lake and LC. But how do you explain Woodson and LeBeau going in over the last few years??

Well, LeBeau was inducted because of his play at CB for the Detroit Lions, not because of his coaching ability for the Pittsburgh Steelers. But you can just replace Jack Butler (a Senior Committee nominee this year) to replace LeBeau, and your argument still holds water.

Personally, I think this is the year for Dirt Dawson to get in (it is long overdue, and there are no big flashy names like Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, or Deion Sanders on the list as first year eligible guys). I think Hines eventually gets in, but not on the first ballot. Maybe the 3rd or 4th go around for him. Not sure Bettis ever gets in...pity. Ben and Troy are both first-ballot locks in my eyes (like Woodson, no amount of anti-Steeler agenda by any of the voters would be enough to keep them out). Faneca's got a shot, but he'll have to wait a few years like Hines. I think Cowher needs to take over another team and lead them to a Super Bowl to be inducted. Hopefully, L.C. and Shell get consideration from the Seniors Committee down the line. That's about it right now.