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Slapstick
01-01-2012, 09:25 PM
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/artic ... ts/9066196 (http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/santonio_holmes_accused_of_quitting_on_jets/9066196)


Running back LaDainian Tomlinson said the $45 million receiver displayed a demeanor “throughout the game” that didn’t sit well with the rest of his offensive cohorts, and “they said something to him about it.”

That triggered a shouting match between Holmes and right tackle Wayne Hunter, which led to Holmes’ benching and subsequent criticism from teammates.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter learned, via a team source, that Holmes has “developed a reputation in the locker room for not working hard during the week.”

The source, a player that chose to remain nameless, also proclaimed that Holmes “quit” on the Jets, who were officially eliminated from playoff contention, ending a disappointing season that once again began with championship expectations.

Herewegosteelers!
01-01-2012, 09:43 PM
Antonio Brown over Stonio the Clown any day!

DukieBoy
01-01-2012, 09:45 PM
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/santonio_holmes_accused_of_quitting_on_jets/9066196


Running back LaDainian Tomlinson said the $45 million receiver displayed a demeanor “throughout the game” that didn’t sit well with the rest of his offensive cohorts, and “they said something to him about it.”

That triggered a shouting match between Holmes and right tackle Wayne Hunter, which led to Holmes’ benching and subsequent criticism from teammates.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter learned, via a team source, that Holmes has “developed a reputation in the locker room for not working hard during the week.”

The source, a player that chose to remain nameless, also proclaimed that Holmes “quit” on the Jets, who were officially eliminated from playoff contention, ending a disappointing season that once again began with championship expectations.


Stonio will have lots of time now for "not working hard during the week", and can "chill" extra easy.

williar
01-01-2012, 09:50 PM
Is Santonio still on this team? That's what I thought. You need to be more worried about Benio then Santonio....

hawaiiansteel
01-01-2012, 09:52 PM
Jets teammate on Holmes: “He quit”

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 1, 2012

http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/s-holmesbyhimself1.jpg?w=250

There were a lot of ugly moments during the Jets’ meltdown in Miami Sunday, but one stood above the rest.

Santonio Holmes, after barking at a teammate in the huddle, was pulled from the game late in the fourth quarter. He sat on the bench with his helmet off, not even paying attention as his team’s season ended.

After the game, one unnamed Jets teammate said Holmes “quit” on the team. And it didn’t start this week.

“He quit,” the player told Jenny Vrentas of the Newark Star-Ledger. “It’s happened for the past two to three weeks. It’s happened all season.”

Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer apparently made the call to take Holmes out.

“I looked out there, and I was wondering why he wasn’t out there myself,” coach Rex Ryan said. “I didn’t bench Santonio. You’ll have to ask him.”

It looks like Ryan is in self-preservation mode, trying to maintain his relationship with Holmes. Multiple players told Vrentas that Holmes “moped” throughout the game and often ignored Mark Sanchez. One player already told Holmes to get off the field if he wasn’t going to help the team.

“I’ll tell you what, it’s tough for guys to follow a captain that kind of behaves in that manner,” LaDainian Tomlinson said. “When you’re a captain, guys are looking at you, you’ve got to lead by example. You’ve got to play your tail off until the last play. And when that don’t happen, you have guys looking at you in a way that captains shouldn’t be looked at.”

Tomlinson said that guys were unhappy with Holmes’ demeanor. That demeanor didn’t improve much after the game.

Holmes made it clear he wasn’t happy with offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer, saying it wasn’t his decision if Schottenheimer returned.

Holmes was then asked about his future with the team.

“Thank you guys,” Holmes said before abruptly ending his press conference.

It’s going to be fun offseason in New York.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... s-he-quit/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/01/jets-teammate-on-holmes-he-quit/)

snarky
01-01-2012, 09:54 PM
That's definitely not how you be great.

Steelers>NFL
01-01-2012, 10:03 PM
He got his payday and money. He will become another Albert Hanesworth.
Meanwhile, guys like Peyton Manning earns his paychecks.

Mister Pittsburgh
01-01-2012, 10:03 PM
So will he be a Raider or Bengal next season?

fordfixer
01-01-2012, 10:04 PM
Antonio Brown becomes the 1st player in NFL history with 1,000 receiving yards and 1,000 return yards!


Santonio Holmes,quit the player told Jenny Vrentas of the Newark Star-Ledger. “It’s happened for the past two to three weeks. It’s happened all season.”

Good use of a 5th round pick if you ask me

fezziwig
01-01-2012, 10:05 PM
I'm just glad those windbags lost. I don't care for the brash coaches like the Jets coach, Ravens and Niner coaches. That kind of coaching only goes so far and eventually those teams implode.
I love when egos like Ryans hit the wall of defeat.

Steelerphile
01-01-2012, 10:44 PM
Unloading Santonio for that 5th rounder is looking like a very prescient and smart personnel move. I was slightly surprised when it happened, but not upset. It was a rather bold decision, to cut ties with one of your best offensive players and a SuperBowl MVP, for what could have easily become nothing, since 5th rounders are often cut.

But the head coach and personnel people could see the problems that would probably occur with Holmes in the future. Not only drug related but also attitudinal. This is one of the reasons I have a lot of faith in Tomlin and the Steeler personnel people. They evaluate character and players, well.

NJ-STEELER
01-01-2012, 10:58 PM
Unloading Santonio for that 5th rounder is looking like a very prescient and smart personnel move. I was slightly surprised when it happened, but not upset. It was a rather bold decision, to cut ties with one of your best offensive players and a SuperBowl MVP, for what could have easily become nothing, since 5th rounders are often cut.

But the head coach and personnel people could see the problems that would probably occur with Holmes in the future. Not only drug related but also attitudinal. This is one of the reasons I have a lot of faith in Tomlin and the Steeler personnel people. They evaluate character and players, well.

if he left as a free agent after his last signed year, we likely would have received a 3rd round compensation pick

williar
01-01-2012, 11:10 PM
Santonio's been gone for 2 years and people are still talking about him like he's still in a uniform. People can make all the jokes they want about him. But you know we wouldn't have made it to SB XLIII and won it without Holmes making plays. I will always be grateful to Holmes for his contributions to our success.

fezziwig
01-01-2012, 11:11 PM
I think the Steelers wanted to spread the message that no one is too big for the what the Steelers expect out of their players. I'm not saying Santonio was that bad of a guy but, they knew he was going to demand big money, miss some games, had some off field stuff and that they had other receivers that could get the job done.

the Steelers did the right thing and we didn't need to look back.

BradshawsHairdresser
01-01-2012, 11:20 PM
That's definitely not how you be great.

That's how you be cut.

Starlifter
01-01-2012, 11:57 PM
he's getting crushed on various jets boards. I particularly like this post:


Originally Posted by Bleed Green
That is why the Steelers are a winning franchise, they knew to get rid of him.
+1 trillion.

Build through the draft. Not FA. Cut cancer when they need to.


http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showt ... p?t=239376 (http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239376)

http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=70090

fezziwig
01-02-2012, 12:03 AM
I don't need props from other fans about the team that I love but, is nice to hear that other fans recognize that our franchise is a cut above.

DukieBoy
01-02-2012, 12:22 AM
Yeah, Santonio made some invaluable plays for us as part of a Team. Now he has made himself into a joke and a cancer, and he is wasting his talent and his value.

SteelBucks
01-02-2012, 12:24 AM
Santonio's been gone for 2 years and people are still talking about him like he's still in a uniform. People can make all the jokes they want about him. But you know we wouldn't have made it to SB XLIII and won it without Holmes making plays. I will always be grateful to Holmes for his contributions to our success.
:Agree

He was incredible during the SB run that year. It was time, however, to cut our losses and I'm happy to have Brown instead.

Starlifter
01-02-2012, 12:26 AM
I don't need props from other fans about the team that I love but, is nice to hear that other fans recognize that our franchise is a cut above.


I agree, but it's fun to read. this is a good one too....


Originally Posted by TurkJetFan
Holmes has surfaced as a total cancer...

its now leaking that Holmes has been an issue all season and that's not gonna cut it.

dont tell me our captain is whining and being a buzzkill in the huddle down a crucial stretch of the game...its simply bull****.

Holmes needs a closed door session with Rex, Tanny and Woody. If it doesn't work them find a way to move him out of here.

We knew Holmes was a pain in the a$$. Pittsburgh gave away a very talented player away for a bag of footballs and a ham sandwich. We just didn't know how big a pain he is until now. I saw it with my own eyes when he was AWOL just 30 minutes before the bus departure to the AFCCG last year. He was dropped off at the hotel's side door by some girl. That is most likely why he was benched to start the game. Hopefully, a new OC will rekindle his competitive spirit. He is a special talent. If his theatrics help get Schitty fired, he did the team a big favor.

Oviedo
01-02-2012, 11:38 AM
The bottomline is:

The Steelers front office knows which and when to let players leave and which and when to keep players. Their success rate in these evaluations are 90-95%. It continues to amaze me that we have self proclaimed long term fans who continue to doubt what they do with key front line players. We may be able to disagree with depth players and back ups but they pretty well keep it right every time with starters.

The Jets conveninetly took two of our latest malcontents in Faneca and Holmes. How'd that work out for them. The overpaid for an over the hill Faneca and got one good season out of him. They took and were stupid enough to resign an overrated and troublesome Holmes.

feltdizz
01-02-2012, 11:50 AM
Our FO made a great decision. I'll always be a fan of the Holmes that was great on our team...

I'm not trying to defend Holmes actions as a Jet because I don't care for the team but looking at their HC and having Sanchez at QB would make me pout in the huddle.

Holmes has no one to blame but himself for his situation.

Mister Pittsburgh
01-02-2012, 12:03 PM
Holmes is one player I don't miss. Probably because of us having Brown. One guy I do miss is Peazy for some reason. That is one dude I would sign for one day so he would retire a Steeler. He is a Steeler for life in my book.

Shoe
01-02-2012, 12:37 PM
So will he be a Raider or Bengal next season?

Both possible landing spots. Throw in Arizona (Pittsburgh West).


The bottomline is:

The Steelers front office knows which and when to let players leave and which and when to keep players. Their success rate in these evaluations are 90-95%. It continues to amaze me that we have self proclaimed long term fans who continue to doubt what they do with key front line players. We may be able to disagree with depth players and back ups but they pretty well keep it right every time with starters.

The Jets conveninetly took two of our latest malcontents in Faneca and Holmes. How'd that work out for them. The overpaid for an over the hill Faneca and got one good season out of him. They took and were stupid enough to resign an overrated and troublesome Holmes.

And I hope our FO always remembers that... you build through the draft. You don't build trhough free agency. (The Eagles are a classic example this year.)

I appreciate Holmes for what he did while he was here. I'm not willing to pile on right now after the fact, because despite his immaturity, I think he is a good guy at heart and not the unlikeable guy that others like Ocho, TO, and others are. Don't get me wrong--he is a ME before WE player (unlike Hines, AB seems to be, and all our guys... but particularly our WRs) obviously, but I think he just doesn't have the mental maturity at this point in his life...

Discipline of Steel
01-02-2012, 01:37 PM
Unloading Santonio for that 5th rounder is looking like a very prescient and smart personnel move. I was slightly surprised when it happened, but not upset. It was a rather bold decision, to cut ties with one of your best offensive players and a SuperBowl MVP, for what could have easily become nothing, since 5th rounders are often cut.

But the head coach and personnel people could see the problems that would probably occur with Holmes in the future. Not only drug related but also attitudinal. This is one of the reasons I have a lot of faith in Tomlin and the Steeler personnel people. They evaluate character and players, well.

if he left as a free agent after his last signed year, we likely would have received a 3rd round compensation pick

Yeah but then no 'MVP' Antonio Brown. I think it worked out perfect...Colbert and Tomlin have incredible foresight!

RuthlessBurgher
01-02-2012, 03:50 PM
Santonio's been gone for 2 years and people are still talking about him like he's still in a uniform. People can make all the jokes they want about him. But you know we wouldn't have made it to SB XLIII and won it without Holmes making plays. I will always be grateful to Holmes for his contributions to our success.

And yet you have a vendetta against Ben, who apparently had nothing at all to do with that drive to win SBXLIII. Glad you are grateful to the guy we dumped (and now his second team can't stand him), but you are ready to replace the quarterback who leads us to the Super Bowl every other year.

Oviedo
01-02-2012, 03:58 PM
Santonio's been gone for 2 years and people are still talking about him like he's still in a uniform. People can make all the jokes they want about him. But you know we wouldn't have made it to SB XLIII and won it without Holmes making plays. I will always be grateful to Holmes for his contributions to our success.

And yet you have a vendetta against Ben, who apparently had nothing at all to do with that drive to win SBXLIII. Glad you are grateful to the guy we dumped (and now his second team can't stand him), but you are ready to replace the quarterback who leads us to the Super Bowl every other year.

:Clap :Clap :Clap :Clap

Well stated. I'll give credit to the guy throwing the ball and getting us into the playoffs every year while playing hurt and taking whatever he has to versus the "stoner" who alienates everyone associated with him and quits on his team when things don't go his way.

Want to root for Stupidio become a Jets fan. The FO did well discarding their garbage before it began to stink too much to bear.

fezziwig
01-02-2012, 04:01 PM
When will other teams learn that, usually when we let go of a high profile player they, usually come with troubles or they are no longer producing.

Oviedo
01-02-2012, 04:05 PM
When will other teams learn that, usually when we let go of a high profile player they, usually come with troubles or they are no longer producing.

I also often wonder why the league continues to pick through our trash cans when we put them out on the street. It never pays off long term. If the Steelers don't want someone you shouldn't either.

Sugar
01-02-2012, 04:38 PM
I will always remember when Holmes was drafted out of OSU. He had grown up a Steelers fan and was so excited to go to his favorite boyhood team. He did some huge things for us while he was here, starting with his play to end Cincy's playoff hopes at the end of his rookie season.

While I was sorry to see him go, it was for the best. It looks like he'll be catching passes from Carson Palmer next year.

fordfixer
01-02-2012, 04:41 PM
Surreal scene as Jets clean lockers, changes loom

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A ... ets-wrapup (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvC.2Vf7t5N7pDT_42H.1gRDubYF?slug=ap-jets-wrapup)


By DENNIS WASZAK Jr.

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. (AP)—Rex Ryan stood in front of his team for one last time and his eyes teared up.

This wasn’t exactly how the New York Jets pictured their season to end. But with his bold Super Bowl hopes dashed, Ryan couldn’t help but get emotional.

“He was crying because he loves us,” guard Matt Slauson said Monday. “He respects us, he knows what we are capable of and we didn’t even come close to our goals.”

That’s for sure. This was the year the Jets were going to deliver the franchise its long-awaited second Lombardi Trophy. Ryan guaranteed it. And after two straight trips to the AFC championship game, who could doubt the possibility?

But the Jets (8-8) never really put it together and it was a somewhat surreal setting a day after a loss at Miami ended a disappointing season as they cleared out their lockers. Ryan had what some players called a “harsh” talk with the players, telling them they needed to get back to being a team and not just a group of individuals.

“It’s not fun losing,” quarterback Mark Sanchez said.

Added Slauson: “We’re sick, we’re disappointed and we’re hurting a lot.”

That was clear from a mostly empty locker room as several players were already gone, and a few—including the normally media-friendly Darrelle Revis and Nick Folk—chose to not speak.

Linebacker Bart Scott bristled as he was walking out when asked about a report that he likely wouldn’t be back next season. “All I know is I’ve got a guaranteed contract for $4 million,” he snarled. He then used an expletive at a photographer and stuck out his middle finger, adding: “Take a picture of this.”

That wasn’t all, though. Wide receiver Santonio Holmes, benched Sunday after arguing with teammates in the huddle, went to his locker, grabbed a box and a helmet and was then escorted out of the locker room by a public relations staff member without talking to the media.

Holmes was still the hot topic Monday after he was yanked as the Jets tried to rally in the fourth quarter. LaDainian Tomlinson said the team was unhappy about the effort, demeanor and body language of Holmes, a team captain. He was held without a catch for the first time in his 88-game career and sulked while standing alone on the sideline as the team lost 19-17, ending the Jets’ playoff chances.

“I wouldn’t single Santonio out like he was the sole problem,” receiver Patrick Turner said. “It’s a team sport and one’s wrong, we’re all wrong.”

Sanchez declined to comment on what went on with Holmes, saying it was an “in-house” issue that shouldn’t be discussed through the media. But ESPNNewYork.com reported that the two clashed at a meeting last week, and several players questioned Holmes’ captaincy throughout the season.

Holmes and guard Brandon Moore went back and forth earlier this season when the receiver criticized the offensive line for not protecting Sanchez or giving him enough time to throw long passes. Moore said that kind of talk could have “a fracturing effect”—and it appears he was right.

“There’s a lot of reasons we didn’t have the kind of season we wanted, and chemistry can go down on that list,” Moore said.

When asked if he was disappointed by Holmes’ actions, Moore said: “I don’t know if disappointed’s the word. I don’t really have words to describe what that was.”

He also declined to discuss whether a team could accept a player who was deemed by some to have “quit” back next season.

“I don’t really have anything to say about 10,” Moore said, referring to Holmes by his jersey number.

While it might be hard to unload a contract such as the one Holmes signed before the season for almost $50 million, most players seemed to think there would be plenty of changes this offseason. They could start with offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer, who has been criticized all year for failing to develop Sanchez and run an effective and consistent offense.

Ryan has said he expects Schottenheimer to return next season—unless he’s hired as a head coach elsewhere. Despite the heavy criticism and the offense finishing 25th overall, the 38-year-old Schottenheimer is still considered an up-and-coming head coaching candidate who could be in line for jobs such as Jacksonville and Miami.

Sanchez has also been the subject of lots of criticism as he didn’t progress in his third season as many had hoped. He threw three interceptions against the Dolphins and did little to cement his role as the Jets’ long-term answer at quarterback. He threw a career-high 26 touchdown passes, but seven of his 18 interceptions came in the last three games—all losses.

“My job is to come back a better quarterback, a better leader,” Sanchez said. “That’s what my focus is on.”

fezziwig
01-02-2012, 04:52 PM
Darn, why couldn't the Ravens have kept Scott, hired Ryan and signed Santonio ?

You see, I'll that stuff starts at the top. Buddy Ryan was a cancer to his team and so is Rex. That brash and cocky attitude does more harm to a team in my opinion. It may fire them up for a while but eventually, you need a group of men to function as a team, put the egos in check and that, is something a Ryan team will never have.

Keyplay1
01-02-2012, 05:26 PM
Unloading Santonio for that 5th rounder is looking like a very prescient and smart personnel move. I was slightly surprised when it happened, but not upset. It was a rather bold decision, to cut ties with one of your best offensive players and a SuperBowl MVP, for what could have easily become nothing, since 5th rounders are often cut.

But the head coach and personnel people could see the problems that would probably occur with Holmes in the future. Not only drug related but also attitudinal. This is one of the reasons I have a lot of faith in Tomlin and the Steeler personnel people. They evaluate character and players, well.

if he left as a free agent after his last signed year, we likely would have received a 3rd round compensation pick

Even though I never liked that deal as it turned out after the draft someone posted how we traded one of our 5th rd picks [probably that one] to Zona for a starting CB and a 6th rd pick and took Antonio Brown with it. Talk about fallin into it even though McFadden appears to be finished.

feltdizz
01-02-2012, 06:12 PM
I know it's easy to rip Stonio but the guy pretty much walked the Jets to their last playoff run with 3 or 4 game winning catches.

The guy is your typical high profile WR. It's rare to find a top notch WR who isn't all about themselves. Hines had a few moments where he pouted and stirred up trouble so it's not as big a deal as I think some are trying to make it.

Holmes pouting isn't a big deal and I think it's a cop out for what really plagues this team. The fact that he was made a captain by Happy Feet who talks big but can't back it up because his QB is sub par is the real problem.

Given Holmes history is this really big news?

NorthCoast
01-02-2012, 06:32 PM
I know it's easy to rip Stonio but the guy pretty much walked the Jets to their last playoff run with 3 or 4 game winning catches.

The guy is your typical high profile WR. It's rare to find a top notch WR who isn't all about themselves. Hines had a few moments where he pouted and stirred up trouble so it's not as big a deal as I think some are trying to make it.

Holmes pouting isn't a big deal and I think it's a cop out for what really plagues this team. The fact that he was made a captain by Happy Feet who talks big but can't back it up because his QB is sub par is the real problem.

Given Holmes history is this really big news?

maybe in this day and age you are right feltdizz....but I dont remember the likes of Jerry Rice, Lynn Swann, or Steve Largent putting on hissy fits.... maybe it is a media thing too. Too much info leaking out of locker rooms these days.

feltdizz
01-02-2012, 07:34 PM
I know it's easy to rip Stonio but the guy pretty much walked the Jets to their last playoff run with 3 or 4 game winning catches.

The guy is your typical high profile WR. It's rare to find a top notch WR who isn't all about themselves. Hines had a few moments where he pouted and stirred up trouble so it's not as big a deal as I think some are trying to make it.

Holmes pouting isn't a big deal and I think it's a cop out for what really plagues this team. The fact that he was made a captain by Happy Feet who talks big but can't back it up because his QB is sub par is the real problem.

Given Holmes history is this really big news?

maybe in this day and age you are right feltdizz....but I dont remember the likes of Jerry Rice, Lynn Swann, or Steve Largent putting on hissy fits.... maybe it is a media thing too. Too much info leaking out of locker rooms these days.

Those guys are grandfathers and old heads...Holmes grew up watching the generation after those guys.

Also have to remember there were more WR's then those 3 mentioned. Micheal Irving had his faults...

Guys like Larry Fitzgerald still exist but that doesn't sell papers or get clicks in NYC.

RuthlessBurgher
01-02-2012, 09:40 PM
Unloading Santonio for that 5th rounder is looking like a very prescient and smart personnel move. I was slightly surprised when it happened, but not upset. It was a rather bold decision, to cut ties with one of your best offensive players and a SuperBowl MVP, for what could have easily become nothing, since 5th rounders are often cut.

But the head coach and personnel people could see the problems that would probably occur with Holmes in the future. Not only drug related but also attitudinal. This is one of the reasons I have a lot of faith in Tomlin and the Steeler personnel people. They evaluate character and players, well.

if he left as a free agent after his last signed year, we likely would have received a 3rd round compensation pick

Even though I never liked that deal as it turned out after the draft someone posted how we traded one of our 5th rd picks [probably that one] to Zona for a starting CB and a 6th rd pick and took Antonio Brown with it. Talk about fallin into it even though McFadden appears to be finished.

Hard to believe that the Steelers and Cardinals made out the best, and the Jets made out the worst. Who woulda thunk it at that time?

The Jets got Super Bowl MVP for a mere 5th round pick (and regret it now).

The Steelers turned that 5th round pick into Bryant McFadden and a 6th round pick that became Antonio Brown (who is already better than Holmes both on and off the field, and he is doing so for a fraction of the huge contract the Jets gave to Holmes).

The Cardinals turned that 5th round pick into QB John Skelton (who appears to be better than their big free agent acquisition Kevin Kolb).

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
01-02-2012, 10:05 PM
It starts at the top with that franchise - at least as high up as the HC. The team sees a brash media whore as their HC and decide that it is okay to try to set yourself apart from the team in order to grab the attention....like ol' Rexy. Bart Scott became a bit of a poster boy as the "Can't Wait!" guy, but at least he kept his focus on the field. Santonio found another way to set him self apart....but that doesn't seem to be working so well. Remember also that this team jetisoned Braylon Edwards out of town during a minor WR vs. everyone else revolt.

NJ-STEELER
01-02-2012, 10:43 PM
[quote=Steelerphile]Unloading Santonio for that 5th rounder is looking like a very prescient and smart personnel move. I was slightly surprised when it happened, but not upset. It was a rather bold decision, to cut ties with one of your best offensive players and a SuperBowl MVP, for what could have easily become nothing, since 5th rounders are often cut.

But the head coach and personnel people could see the problems that would probably occur with Holmes in the future. Not only drug related but also attitudinal. This is one of the reasons I have a lot of faith in Tomlin and the Steeler personnel people. They evaluate character and players, well.

if he left as a free agent after his last signed year, we likely would have received a 3rd round compensation pick

Yeah but then no 'MVP' Antonio Brown. I think it worked out perfect...Colbert and Tomlin have incredible foresight![/quote:3h0bma7s]

maybe they would have signed victor cruz to a UDFA contract. who knows what the plans were.. its not like brown wasnt passed up by every team 6 times

NJ-STEELER
01-02-2012, 10:51 PM
Unloading Santonio for that 5th rounder is looking like a very prescient and smart personnel move. I was slightly surprised when it happened, but not upset. It was a rather bold decision, to cut ties with one of your best offensive players and a SuperBowl MVP, for what could have easily become nothing, since 5th rounders are often cut.

But the head coach and personnel people could see the problems that would probably occur with Holmes in the future. Not only drug related but also attitudinal. This is one of the reasons I have a lot of faith in Tomlin and the Steeler personnel people. They evaluate character and players, well.

if he left as a free agent after his last signed year, we likely would have received a 3rd round compensation pick

Even though I never liked that deal as it turned out after the draft someone posted how we traded one of our 5th rd picks [probably that one] to Zona for a starting CB and a 6th rd pick and took Antonio Brown with it. Talk about fallin into it even though McFadden appears to be finished.

Hard to believe that the Steelers and Cardinals made out the best, and the Jets made out the worst. Who woulda thunk it at that time?

The Jets got Super Bowl MVP for a mere 5th round pick (and regret it now).

The Steelers turned that 5th round pick into Bryant McFadden and a 6th round pick that became Antonio Brown (who is already better than Holmes both on and off the field, and he is doing so for a fraction of the huge contract the Jets gave to Holmes).

The Cardinals turned that 5th round pick into QB John Skelton (who appears to be better than their big free agent acquisition Kevin Kolb).

while that is all true now

you're leaving out him personally winnign 3-4 games for the jets last year that
1) got them into the playoffs in the first place and
2) made a great Run at the superbowl. beating both peyton and brady on the road before losing to us

feltdizz
01-02-2012, 11:07 PM
Brown looks like something special but I can't put him ahead of Holmes when it comes to accomplishments as a Steeler. Holmes pretty much immortalized himself with that SB catch.

He could have been the best Steeler WR ever if he wasn't such an azz off the field.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
01-02-2012, 11:23 PM
Let's not forget that our dumb ol' front office happened to best the Jets in another way as well ... I bet they wish they still had Cotchery on their roster!

hawaiiansteel
01-03-2012, 01:01 AM
Holmes contract a tough escape

By Rich Cimini
Jan 2, 2012


The Jets made Santonio Holmes their marquee free-agent signing last offseason, retaining him with a five-year, $45 million contract.

Now they could be stuck with him because of an unusual clause in the contract.

Holmes is due a fully guaranteed $7.75 million in base pay for 2012, according to a person familiar with the contract. In addition, if he's on the Jets' roster on the second day of the waiver period (Feb. 8), more than half of his 2013 salary becomes guaranteed -- specifically, $7.5 million of $11 million.

So, basically, the Jets have to decide if they're willing to lock into Holmes for $15.25 million in guaranteed money. If they're okay with committing that much, it's like saying you're signing up for two more years of Holmes.

If they cut him, they'd still owe him $7.75 million and they'd take a $12.5 million cap hit in 2012 -- more than $3 million more than it would cost to have him on the roster.

So it came as no surprise Monday when Rex Ryan said he expects to have Holmes back in 2012. A trade is out of the question, because the trading period opens at the start of the league in early March, and it would be hard to deal that contract.

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Steelers>NFL
01-03-2012, 08:36 AM
Holmes contract a tough escape

By Rich Cimini
Jan 2, 2012


The Jets made Santonio Holmes their marquee free-agent signing last offseason, retaining him with a five-year, $45 million contract.

Now they could be stuck with him because of an unusual clause in the contract.

Holmes is due a fully guaranteed $7.75 million in base pay for 2012, according to a person familiar with the contract. In addition, if he's on the Jets' roster on the second day of the waiver period (Feb. 8), more than half of his 2013 salary becomes guaranteed -- specifically, $7.5 million of $11 million.

So, basically, the Jets have to decide if they're willing to lock into Holmes for $15.25 million in guaranteed money. If they're okay with committing that much, it's like saying you're signing up for two more years of Holmes.

If they cut him, they'd still owe him $7.75 million and they'd take a $12.5 million cap hit in 2012 -- more than $3 million more than it would cost to have him on the roster.

So it came as no surprise Monday when Rex Ryan said he expects to have Holmes back in 2012. A trade is out of the question, because the trading period opens at the start of the league in early March, and it would be hard to deal that contract.

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LOL @ the Jets & Stonio.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
01-03-2012, 10:44 AM
Let's not forget that our dumb ol' front office happened to best the Jets in another way as well ... I bet they wish they still had Cotchery on their roster!

I don't know about every way. The Jets took a run at FA Chris Kemoeatu a few years ago and the Steelers somehow managed to retain him. If only we could reverse that move now. :oops:

eniparadoxgma
01-03-2012, 01:04 PM
Santonio's been gone for 2 years and people are still talking about him like he's still in a uniform. People can make all the jokes they want about him. But you know we wouldn't have made it to SB XLIII and won it without Holmes making plays. I will always be grateful to Holmes for his contributions to our success.

And yet you have a vendetta against Ben, who apparently had nothing at all to do with that drive to win SBXLIII. Glad you are grateful to the guy we dumped (and now his second team can't stand him), but you are ready to replace the quarterback who leads us to the Super Bowl every other year.

williar = teeceemadison. Pretty sure Ben must've gotten "close" to one of his gfs, friends, or family members. Dude's been on a monomaniacal anti-Ben vendetta for years.

Stonio is news because he's a recent ex-Steeler. It's not out of line to talk about players we've recently cut or traded. Still Steeler news IMO.

As I've said elsewhere, I'll always be grateful for his play as a Steeler. Also, as was already mentioned he was a big part of the Jets' success last year. However, at this point I'm really starting to think he might be the new Terrell Owens (it actually took me a minute to remember TO's name...and I think that's a good thing). Perhaps this is just more prevalent for WRs. However that doesn't mean we have to accept it. I prefer my Steelers to be primadonna-less.

hawaiiansteel
01-18-2012, 11:43 PM
Updated: January 18, 2012

LT: Jets rift 'as bad as I've been around'

By Rich Cimini
ESPNNewYork.com


If Mark Sanchez and Santonio Holmes remain New York Jets teammates in 2012, they might need an intervention to repair their relationship.

The Sanchez-Holmes rift was "as bad as I've ever been around," LaDainian Tomlinson revealed in a television interview.

Tomlinson, the latest player to characterize the dissension-torn locker room as The Florham Park Zoo, said he's not sure if Sanchez and Holmes can co-exist. The future Hall of Famer claimed the locker-room problems "got out of hand" toward the end of the season, adding that coach Rex Ryan and general manager Mike Tannenbaum fueled the mentality because they like players that speak their mind.

Details of the Sanchez-Holmes feud emerged at the end of the season, but Tomlinson said things started to fall apart in the third or fourth week.

"I've been around some locker rooms and quarterback-receiver situations and what-not, but it was as bad as I've been around," Tomlinson said on Showtime's "Inside the NFL," which aired Wednesday night.

"You know, it was at the point where I think the players could no longer do anything about it. There was nothing that the players could do. So when it gets to that point, there are certain changes that need to happen. Can it be fixed? I think absolutely it can be. But they're going to have to make some tough decisions."

Tomlinson said the players actually had a name for the rift -- the East Coast-West Coast beef, because Sanchez is from California, Holmes from Florida. He said they "poked fun at it," but he added, "In all seriousness, Santonio, obviously, he's a great player. There are some things that obviously he needs to work on as far as being a leader."

If he were the GM, Tomlinson said it would be a "tough one," the decision on whether to keep Sanchez and Holmes together. The Jets have said they plan to retain Holmes, who signed a five-year, $45 million contract before the season, but their true intentions will be known in the coming weeks. He's already guaranteed $7.75 million for 2012 and, if they don't cut by him Feb. 8, they'd have to guarantee an additional $7.5 million.

Tomlinson, contemplating retirement as he heads into free agency, didn't spare Ryan and Tannenbaum, intimating they contributed to the mess.

"They created this," he said. "This is the type of football team that they wanted. Mike Tannenbaum, Rex Ryan are both brash, in-your-face type of style, say whatever you want, just get it done on the field. And then it leads to other things, as guys are calling each other out and saying, 'I'm not getting the ball' or whatever it may be."

Perhaps it's no coincidence that, on the field, Sanchez and Holmes had terrible chemistry. There were 29 quarterback-receiver tandems in which the quarterback targeted that specific receiver at least 100 times, and the combo with the worst completion percentage was Sanchez to Holmes -- 50.2 percent.

The Sanchez-Holmes relationship started to fray after a Week 4 loss to the Baltimore Ravens, according to a source. Afterward, Holmes called out Sanchez and the offensive line, criticizing them publicly. The next day, Sanchez spoke to the offense as a group, asking for team unity. Shortly thereafter, Holmes made more critical comments to the media.

In the days leading up to the final game, Sanchez called a special quarterback-receivers meeting to watch film and Holmes showed up, complaining, as first reported by ESPNNewYork.com. He didn't show for the next day's meeting. In the game, Holmes was benched after jawing with teammates.

Tomlinson, reiterating what he said last Sunday on ESPN's NFL Countdown, refuted a claim by one unnamed player telling the New York Daily News that Sanchez is "lazy." But he did say the Jets need a backup to push him.

"I would say a bit pampered because he has no competition," Tomlinson said. "He has no real threat to say, 'This guy may take my job.'"

Tomlinson said Sanchez can overcome the turmoil, but "he just has to have pieces around him to help him get it done."

The NFL's leading active rusher also questioned the decision to stray from their Ground & Pound offense, another shot at Ryan.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it," he said. "So a team that was coming off two straight AFC Championship Games relied heavily on the run. My opinion now, why would you just totally switch up your identity at that point?"

Tomlinson said he loves playing for the outspoken Ryan, but he admitted he doesn't always like the bravado.

"I would prefer him not to say it as much as he did," said Tomlinson, who said plenty himself.

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Oviedo
01-19-2012, 09:25 AM
Anyone still missing Stupidio? The Jets are probably praying for a way to get rid of him.

The front office is right on the mark again with player decisions and knowing when and what trash to take out to the curb!!!!

Still waiting for the off season news that Stupidio gets popped for dope again!!!!!

BradshawsHairdresser
01-19-2012, 09:59 AM
Anyone still missing Stupidio? The Jets are probably praying for a way to get rid of him.

The front office is right on the mark again with player decisions and knowing when and what trash to take out to the curb!!!!

Still waiting for the off season news that Stupidio gets popped for dope again!!!!!

Only thing better than Santokio screwing up the Jets would be to have him screw up the Ravens or the *'s.

feltdizz
01-19-2012, 10:20 AM
Anyone still missing Stupidio? The Jets are probably praying for a way to get rid of him.

The front office is right on the mark again with player decisions and knowing when and what trash to take out to the curb!!!!

Still waiting for the off season news that Stupidio gets popped for dope again!!!!!

AB is developing nicely but uhhh yeah, I still miss Stupidio on the field...

Not sure why a story about Holmes trash talking on a team that encourages trash talking makes him a villain.

If your starting QB needs a back up to push him it's a problem.

LouSteel
01-19-2012, 10:35 AM
Anyone still missing Stupidio? The Jets are probably praying for a way to get rid of him.

The front office is right on the mark again with player decisions and knowing when and what trash to take out to the curb!!!!

Still waiting for the off season news that Stupidio gets popped for dope again!!!!!

AB is developing nicely but uhhh yeah, I still miss Stupidio on the field...

Not sure why a story about Holmes trash talking on a team that encourages trash talking makes him a villain.

If your starting QB needs a back up to push him it's a problem.

With the environment Ryan creates, it's no surprise players are lashing out.

Plus Santonio is a WR, and let's be honest -- they're all kinda diva-ish. Hell, we had reports that Wallace was moping because AB was getting the love.

And Sanchez is nothing much to talk about as a QB...

I've got to think that Tomlin can keep Santonio in check. And Santonio/Wallace/Brown/Sanders? Holy sheeeeeit, that offense...

I miss him. I think he might've been a difference maker this season.

Slapstick
01-19-2012, 11:05 AM
He wasn't a difference maker for the Jets...

At least, not in a positive way...

feltdizz
01-19-2012, 11:08 AM
He wasn't a difference maker for the Jets...

At least, not in a positive way...

2 years ago he won about 4 to 5 games for them down the stretch.

Jets tried to go pass happy and it failed this year because Sanchez is only good off of play action.

williar
01-19-2012, 11:40 AM
Santonio's been gone for 2 years and people are still talking about him like he's still in a uniform. People can make all the jokes they want about him. But you know we wouldn't have made it to SB XLIII and won it without Holmes making plays. I will always be grateful to Holmes for his contributions to our success.

And yet you have a vendetta against Ben, who apparently had nothing at all to do with that drive to win SBXLIII. Glad you are grateful to the guy we dumped (and now his second team can't stand him), but you are ready to replace the quarterback who leads us to the Super Bowl every other year.

williar = teeceemadison. Pretty sure Ben must've gotten "close" to one of his gfs, friends, or family members. Dude's been on a monomaniacal anti-Ben vendetta for years.

Stonio is news because he's a recent ex-Steeler. It's not out of line to talk about players we've recently cut or traded. Still Steeler news IMO.

As I've said elsewhere, I'll always be grateful for his play as a Steeler. Also, as was already mentioned he was a big part of the Jets' success last year. However, at this point I'm really starting to think he might be the new Terrell Owens (it actually took me a minute to remember TO's name...and I think that's a good thing). Perhaps this is just more prevalent for WRs. However that doesn't mean we have to accept it. I prefer my Steelers to be primadonna-less.

Oh' Great One! I am soooo disappointed in you! To listen to all of these blind, Ben-loving homers spew their undying love and support for Ben day in and day out, while chastising any remote, objectional point of view. For whatever reason, I thought you might have been a voice of reason... So. You're just a another one in sheep clothing...

And all due respect to teecee, mcee, youcee, rcee, joceee (sorry if I missed anyone) and any other current or former posters I have been mistaken for, SORRY!!! I ain't them.... Have a great day! Talk to you soon......

Oviedo
01-19-2012, 11:44 AM
Anyone still missing Stupidio? The Jets are probably praying for a way to get rid of him.

The front office is right on the mark again with player decisions and knowing when and what trash to take out to the curb!!!!

Still waiting for the off season news that Stupidio gets popped for dope again!!!!!

AB is developing nicely but uhhh yeah, I still miss Stupidio on the field...

Not sure why a story about Holmes trash talking on a team that encourages trash talking makes him a villain.

If your starting QB needs a back up to push him it's a problem.

We can disagree. Stupidio is like cancer. Some days you feel lots of pain other days you don't, but eventually it destroys you.

I don't miss Stupidio on the field! I don't miss him in Pittsburgh! I don't miss him in Allegheny County! I don't miss him in Pennsylvania!

RuthlessBurgher
01-19-2012, 01:15 PM
I've got to think that Tomlin can keep Santonio in check. And Santonio/Wallace/Brown/Sanders? Holy sheeeeeit, that offense...

I miss him. I think he might've been a difference maker this season.

If we still had Holmes, we wouldn't have Brown (because the 5th rounder we got from the Jets was traded to Arizona for Bryant McFadden and a 6th rounder that we used to draft Brown). Would you trade Antonio Brown for Santonio Holmes, straight up, today? I sure wouldn't.

NJ-STEELER
01-19-2012, 06:28 PM
miss him?? as we lost superbowl 45 without mustering any sort of a drive in the final 2 minutes. yes i did. i didnt really think about that 5th rounder we got for him at that point


that said, who wouldnt complain going from a QB like ben to stinkchez

fezziwig
01-19-2012, 06:44 PM
Was it that Santonio was going for the money or knew the Steelers wouldn't give him his kind of asking price when his time was up or did he think the Steelers weren't happy with him ?


Anyway, I think a lot of Steeler player believe they are leaving for bigger and better realize that, not all that glitter is gold.

Santonio must bounce around in his head had he remained a Steeler he could have helped us win the 7th title.

feltdizz
01-19-2012, 08:28 PM
Was it that Santonio was going for the money or knew the Steelers wouldn't give him his kind of asking price when his time was up or did he think the Steelers weren't happy with him ?


Anyway, I think a lot of Steeler player believe they are leaving for bigger and better realize that, not all that glitter is gold.

Santonio must bounce around in his head had he remained a Steeler he could have helped us win the 7th title.

probably all 3...

I don't think Steeler players believe they are leaving for bigger and better places. I think most football players will change teams if they feel they can make more money somewhere else.

Football players know the Steelers are one of 5 or 6 teams who have the best chance to consistently make a run at a SB.

Santonio played a big part in our playoff run and SB win. He left for the Jets and had an immediate impact on their team and pretty much walked them into the playoffs last year and they made it to the AFCCG.

Holmes probably believes all he needs is a better QB to win a SB...

phillyesq
01-19-2012, 09:41 PM
Santonio must bounce around in his head had he remained a Steeler he could have helped us win the 7th title.

I'd be surprised if he cares. He seems like pure ego -- even during the last drive of the SB, he was taking valuable time to do his stupid first down celebration.

feltdizz
01-19-2012, 11:52 PM
Santonio must bounce around in his head had he remained a Steeler he could have helped us win the 7th title.

I'd be surprised if he cares. He seems like pure ego -- even during the last drive of the SB, he was taking valuable time to do his stupid first down celebration.

His stupid celebrations helped us win a classic SB.

eniparadoxgma
01-20-2012, 06:58 PM
williar = teeceemadison. Pretty sure Ben must've gotten "close" to one of his gfs, friends, or family members. Dude's been on a monomaniacal anti-Ben vendetta for years.

Stonio is news because he's a recent ex-Steeler. It's not out of line to talk about players we've recently cut or traded. Still Steeler news IMO.

As I've said elsewhere, I'll always be grateful for his play as a Steeler. Also, as was already mentioned he was a big part of the Jets' success last year. However, at this point I'm really starting to think he might be the new Terrell Owens (it actually took me a minute to remember TO's name...and I think that's a good thing). Perhaps this is just more prevalent for WRs. However that doesn't mean we have to accept it. I prefer my Steelers to be primadonna-less.

Oh' Great One! I am soooo disappointed in you! To listen to all of these blind, Ben-loving homers spew their undying love and support for Ben day in and day out, while chastising any remote, objectional point of view. For whatever reason, I thought you might have been a voice of reason... So. You're just a another one in sheep clothing...

And all due respect to teecee, mcee, youcee, rcee, joceee (sorry if I missed anyone) and any other current or former posters I have been mistaken for, SORRY!!! I ain't them.... Have a great day! Talk to you soon......

[Looks around for "blind, Ben-loving homers spewing their undying love and support for Ben day in and day out"...after not seeing this, continues...]

My apologies if you are not teecee. I suppose there is room in the Steelers forum world for more than one irrational anti-Ben vendetta having poster. Carry on.

williar
01-20-2012, 07:07 PM
williar = teeceemadison. Pretty sure Ben must've gotten "close" to one of his gfs, friends, or family members. Dude's been on a monomaniacal anti-Ben vendetta for years.

Stonio is news because he's a recent ex-Steeler. It's not out of line to talk about players we've recently cut or traded. Still Steeler news IMO.

As I've said elsewhere, I'll always be grateful for his play as a Steeler. Also, as was already mentioned he was a big part of the Jets' success last year. However, at this point I'm really starting to think he might be the new Terrell Owens (it actually took me a minute to remember TO's name...and I think that's a good thing). Perhaps this is just more prevalent for WRs. However that doesn't mean we have to accept it. I prefer my Steelers to be primadonna-less.

Oh' Great One! I am soooo disappointed in you! To listen to all of these blind, Ben-loving homers spew their undying love and support for Ben day in and day out, while chastising any remote, objectional point of view. For whatever reason, I thought you might have been a voice of reason... So. You're just a another one in sheep clothing...



And all due respect to teecee, mcee, youcee, rcee, joceee (sorry if I missed anyone) and any other current or former posters I have been mistaken for, SORRY!!! I ain't them.... Have a great day! Talk to you soon......

[Looks around for "blind, Ben-loving homers spewing their undying love and support for Ben day in and day out"...after not seeing this, continues...]

My apologies if you are not teecee. I suppose there is room in the Steelers forum world for more than one irrational anti-Ben vendetta having poster. Carry on.

Thank you!! I guess I can find room in my heart for another one of you too... :tt2