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hawaiiansteel
12-15-2011, 02:46 AM
NFL ready to hand Suh, Harrison substantial suspensions

By Steve Wyche NFL.com
Published: Dec. 13, 2011

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Ndamukong Suh, left, and James Harrison could face substantial suspensions if they continue their illegal hits.

Detroit Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh and Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker James Harrison could face substantial suspensions -- including playoff games -- if they repeat the transgressions that led to their recent suspensions, according to a league source.

Harrison was suspended Tuesday for Pittsburgh's game against the 49ers on Monday for a helmet-to-head hit on Browns quarterback Colt McCoy. NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora reported Harrison has requested an expedited hearing and a date has been set for his appeal on the league-issued discipline that also will cost him a game check.

Suh returns this week from a two-game suspension -- which he appealed and subsequently lost -- for pushing on the head and stomping on the arm of Packers offensive lineman Evan Dietrich-Smith. The Lions went 1-1 in Suh's absence.

The source indicated that there might not be much latitude for Suh and Harrison in the future since they've been warned and fined for previous infractions but still have pushed things to the point of suspensions. Harrison was fined six times from 2009 to '10.

"Three games, four games, five games, six games? It could happen depending on the circumstance," the source said. "They are repeat offenders, which mean suspensions are more likely."

The purpose of a severe punishment like a suspension is to get the player to change his behavior, in part because the player's absence could affect his team, the source said. A suspension also doesn't place the sole onus on the player. The coaching staff, management and even teammates therefore could be prompted to hold that player more accountable.

Lions coach Jim Schwartz recently imposed a zero-tolerance policy after his team's repeated abundance of egregious penalties. The team has the right to suspend a player and not leave adjudication to the NFL, as a player cannot be subject to punishment by the team and the league.

Pertaining to Harrison specifically, the league felt there was little choice but to suspend him because the hit on McCoy was the third consecutive time in the past 13 months he has struck a "defenseless" quarterback with the crown of his helmet. The NFL cited the hit on McCoy as the fifth "illegal" hit to a quarterback with his helmet in the past three seasons.

Harrison was fined a total of $45,000 for hits to Bills quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick and Saints QB Drew Brees in Nov. 2010. He was cited for using his helmet on the tackles, although he did not strike either quarterback in his head.

Although McCoy broke the pocket and was running with the ball, Harrison's hit to the head with the crown of his helmet was the dominant factor in deciding to suspend him, according to the source.

"He could have hit him anywhere else but the head and probably have been fine," the source said.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... uspensions (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82506c63/article/nfl-ready-to-hand-suh-harrison-substantial-suspensions)

Steelers>NFL
12-15-2011, 09:12 AM
Oh boy, let the hate for the NFL to begin... 1...2...3............

Leper Friend
12-15-2011, 09:27 AM
"He could have hit him anywhere else but the head and probably have been fine," the source said.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... uspensions (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82506c63/article/nfl-ready-to-hand-suh-harrison-substantial-suspensions)
Hmmmm. So what about when he was fined for hitting Drew Brees in the back and Ryan Fitzpatrick in the chest ? You sure about that "source" ?

RuthlessBurgher
12-15-2011, 10:06 AM
Harrison was fined a total of $45,000 for hits to Bills quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick and Saints QB Drew Brees in Nov. 2010. He was cited for using his helmet on the tackles, although he did not strike either quarterback in his head.

We've been saying this since last year...

BradshawsHairdresser
12-15-2011, 10:14 AM
The title of the article says it all. The NFL is eager to get rid of James Harrison. Never mind that Harrison hadn't had an offense all year, or that the offense in itself was not nearly the worst nor the most eggregious of the season; in the mind of Goodell, the league is better off with James off the field. He doesn't fit with Rog's emasculated version of the game.

WindyCitySteel
12-15-2011, 10:33 AM
The title of the article says it all. The NFL is eager to get rid of James Harrison. Never mind that Harrison hadn't had an offense all year, or that the offense in itself was not nearly the worst nor the most eggregious of the season; in the mind of Goodell, the league is better off with James off the field. He doesn't fit with Rog's emasculated version of the game.

This is it in a nutshell. Football as I knew it as a child is dead.

WindyCitySteel
12-15-2011, 10:33 AM
Oh, and Haloti Ngata has been fined four times. Is he suspended next time?

feltdizz
12-15-2011, 10:52 AM
Suh had a presser the other day and it looks like he hasn't changed one bit. Still has a chip on his shoulder and I'm curios about his wreck but he wouldn't elaborate on it. Just said the media will print what they want so it makes no sense to answer the question. It seemed like the perfect time to clear things up but I guess there is more to it then he wants to admit.

feltdizz
12-15-2011, 10:55 AM
I almost forgot to bash the NFL for changing from what it once was... I know we've said it a thousand times but hopefully saying it one more time will change Goodell's mind.

WindyCitySteel
12-15-2011, 11:11 AM
Suh had a presser the other day and it looks like he hasn't changed one bit. Still has a chip on his shoulder and I'm curios about his wreck but he wouldn't elaborate on it. Just said the media will print what they want so it makes no sense to answer the question. It seemed like the perfect time to clear things up but I guess there is more to it then he wants to admit.

IMO, the Packers are foolish to risk Rodgers in that last game. Suh may be out for blood. How ironic would it be to see them go 16-0 and lose AR for the playoffs on a late hit?

snarky
12-15-2011, 11:17 AM
In my mind, Goodell is simply the avatar of a new breed of owners. Gone are the owners who bought their teams for a small fraction of what they are worth and built this league based on the essence of the sport.

What we have now is a new breed of owners who bought in with substantial investments (often in the hundreds of millions of dollars) who are primarily interested in protecting their investment over the long term and will do whatever they need to do to increase viewership.

The challenge for these owners is that players are getting bigger and faster and their ability to deliver crushing hits has grown substantially. I truly believe that many owners in the NFL are concerned about what will happen to the popularity of football if another player is paralyzed on national TV or even killed. There have been two guys that came very closing to dying on the field in the last 10 or so years. I know it has happened before that, but football now has a broader appeal and from a strictly corporate perspective, the NFL will want to protect its market share.

Additionally, I believe these owners are fearful that as more information comes out about the effects of concussions and repetitive low-grade head impacts the number of kids participating in football will start to decrease. It is probably only a matter of time before somebody files suit against a community center or school claiming damages for the injuries they sustained playing football. What happens after that? How much will it cost to insure these institutions? And if they cannot continue to offer the sport, where will the college and pro players come from?

And just to be clear, I'm not saying this to defend these decisions or Goodell -- I'm just giving my perspective on why these things are happening.

papillon
12-15-2011, 11:36 AM
The NFL is comparing the "Suh stomp" after the whistle to a hit that occurred between the whistles? Oh, okay, go with that, as if the two have any similarities, one occurs while a player is laying on the ground after the whistle and is inexcusable and the other happens as part of a football play and is violent, but between the whistles. What happened to letting the players handle their business on the field?

The NFL is polluted with imbeciles and cretins, but, the fans continue to turn on the TV. We can expect more of the same until the Golden Goose gets killed, then changes will be made and not until.

The only NFL football I watch is Steeler football at this point and, if I wasn't born and raised in Pittsburgh and have it ingrained in my psyche I'm sure I'd be able to turn off the Steelers as well. Unfortunately, at this point, it's too much of a way of life for me to turn my back on the Steelers. It isn't hard at all to turn my back on the other 31 teams, TV networks and NFL network.

Pappy

flippy
12-15-2011, 12:00 PM
I hope James becomes a meaner SOB between the whistles than he already is.

I really think the Steelers are to blame here. Lebeau isn't changing the way any of these guys play. Clark, Harrison, Farrior, Troy all lead with their heads. Nothing's changing. Clark and Troy hitting guys with their heads is worse than Harrison imho because Harrison has to make faster reactions in tighter spaces.

I watched the play again on McCoy and can't say definitively James had the intent to hit him the way he did. It looked like he was targeting a little lower than McCoy's helmet and pulled up a little after McCoy threw the ball. So much changed in a split second. I don't see how you just don't let that go.

It's not like Harrison jumped up and started stomping on McCoy after the play was over. Such BS.

If you don't want these guys leading with their helmets, remove the helmets.

pick6
12-15-2011, 01:04 PM
Very interesting insight Snarky, I had not looked at it this way prior to reading your post.
I heard Stephen A. say something similar also.

RuthlessBurgher
12-15-2011, 01:12 PM
The NFL is polluted with imbeciles and cretins, but, the fans continue to turn on the TV. We can expect more of the same until the Golden Goose gets killed, then changes will be made and not until.

Looks like the Golden Goose will be alive and well throughout the next decade, since the TV deals with the networks were just extended yesterday:


CBS, Fox and NBC renewed their contracts for nine years through the 2022 season, the NFL announced Wednesday. The average fees from the three networks will increase by an average of 7 percent annually, a person familiar with the details said. That will take the total revenue from them from the current $1.93 billion per year to $3.1 billion by 2022.

BradshawsHairdresser
12-15-2011, 01:13 PM
The challenge for these owners is that players are getting bigger and faster and their ability to deliver crushing hits has grown substantially. I truly believe that many owners in the NFL are concerned about what will happen to the popularity of football if another player is paralyzed on national TV or even killed. There have been two guys that came very closing to dying on the field in the last 10 or so years. I know it has happened before that, but football now has a broader appeal and from a strictly corporate perspective, the NFL will want to protect its market share.

Additionally, I believe these owners are fearful that as more information comes out about the effects of concussions and repetitive low-grade head impacts the number of kids participating in football will start to decrease. It is probably only a matter of time before somebody files suit against a community center or school claiming damages for the injuries they sustained playing football. What happens after that? How much will it cost to insure these institutions? And if they cannot continue to offer the sport, where will the college and pro players come from?



I wrote this in another thread:

"The NFL doesn't really care about player safety. There are better helmets out there if they wanted to use them. If the NFL really cared about player safety, they would have suspended Shurmur and/or other responsible members of his staff for letting McCoy go back in without proper evaluation. Why is it a crime to hit some players H2H, but not other players? Why is Richard Seymour allowed to go on punching players after the whistle blows (3 time in the past two years, by my count)?

Player safety my ar$$e."

Dee Dub
12-15-2011, 01:19 PM
"He could have hit him anywhere else but the head and probably have been fine," the source said.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... uspensions (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82506c63/article/nfl-ready-to-hand-suh-harrison-substantial-suspensions)
Hmmmm. So what about when he was fined for hitting Drew Brees in the back and Ryan Fitzpatrick in the chest ? You sure about that "source" ?

I dont understand why some of you are not getting this? No offense here but some of you need to read the rule about hitting a QB. I hate the fact that this is happening. I am old school and think the changing of these rules are killing the game of football. But the fact of the matter is these are the rules. You cannot hit a QB anywhere if he is in the act of throwing or has just finished throwing. Clean hits do not exist anymore when it comes to a QB in the act of throwing. Here is the rule. He is now considered a defenseless player.

No defensive player may run into a passer of a legal forward pass after the ball has left his hand (15 yards). The Referee must determine whether opponent had a reasonable chance to stop his momentum during an attempt to block the pass or tackle the passer while he still had the ball.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/protectionofpasser

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... der-review

Rules defining a defenseless player will be expanded and now will include eight categories:

» A quarterback in the act of throwing;

» A receiver trying to catch a pass;

» A runner already in the grasp of tacklers and having his forward progress stopped;

» A player fielding a punt or a kickoff;

» A kicker or punter during the kick;

» A quarterback at any time after change of possession;

» A receiver who receives a blind-side block;

» A player already on the ground.

There is no such thing as a clean hit on a kicker or a punter in the act of kicking. The same can now be said of the QB.

RuthlessBurgher
12-15-2011, 01:28 PM
[quote=hawaiiansteel]"He could have hit him anywhere else but the head and probably have been fine," the source said.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... uspensions (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82506c63/article/nfl-ready-to-hand-suh-harrison-substantial-suspensions)
Hmmmm. So what about when he was fined for hitting Drew Brees in the back and Ryan Fitzpatrick in the chest ? You sure about that "source" ?

I dont understand why some of you are not getting this? No offense here but some of you need to read the rule about hitting a QB. I hate the fact that this is happening. I am old school and think the changing of these rules are killing the game of football. But the fact of the matter is these are the rules. You cannot hit a QB anywhere if he is in the act of throwing or has just finished throwing. Clean hits do not exist anymore when it comes to a QB in the act of throwing. Here is the rule. He is now considered a defenseless player.

No defensive player may run into a passer of a legal forward pass after the ball has left his hand (15 yards). The Referee must determine whether opponent had a reasonable chance to stop his momentum during an attempt to block the pass or tackle the passer while he still had the ball.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/protectionofpasser

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... der-review

Rules defining a defenseless player will be expanded and now will include eight categories:

» A quarterback in the act of throwing;

» A receiver trying to catch a pass;

» A runner already in the grasp of tacklers and having his forward progress stopped;

» A player fielding a punt or a kickoff;

» A kicker or punter during the kick;

» A quarterback at any time after change of possession;

» A receiver who receives a blind-side block;

» A player already on the ground.

There is no such thing as a clean hit on a kicker or a punter in the act of kicking. The same can now be said of the QB.[/quote:4840ihyg]

(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:

(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and

(2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.

sentinel33
12-15-2011, 01:40 PM
It really makes no sense to even rush the passer any more.

The league is getting what they want- a pass-oriented game.

The days of the pass rush specialists are numbered.
Elements of the game as we have known it will begin to be phased out.
DB's and WR's will be a premium in the near future. So will LB's with range/coverage skills.
The big uglys in the trenches will just be space eating run stoppers.
The pass rushing DE player becomes obsolete.

You simply can't touch the QB anymore.

Games changing, fellas.

Adapt to it.

Sucks, but it's the truth.

Leper Friend
12-15-2011, 09:39 PM
[quote=hawaiiansteel]"He could have hit him anywhere else but the head and probably have been fine," the source said.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... uspensions (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82506c63/article/nfl-ready-to-hand-suh-harrison-substantial-suspensions)
Hmmmm. So what about when he was fined for hitting Drew Brees in the back and Ryan Fitzpatrick in the chest ? You sure about that "source" ?

I dont understand why some of you are not getting this? No offense here but some of you need to read the rule about hitting a QB. I hate the fact that this is happening. I am old school and think the changing of these rules are killing the game of football. But the fact of the matter is these are the rules. You cannot hit a QB anywhere if he is in the act of throwing or has just finished throwing. Clean hits do not exist anymore when it comes to a QB in the act of throwing. Here is the rule. He is now considered a defenseless player.

No defensive player may run into a passer of a legal forward pass after the ball has left his hand (15 yards). The Referee must determine whether opponent had a reasonable chance to stop his momentum during an attempt to block the pass or tackle the passer while he still had the ball.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/protectionofpasser

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... der-review

Rules defining a defenseless player will be expanded and now will include eight categories:

» A quarterback in the act of throwing;

» A receiver trying to catch a pass;

» A runner already in the grasp of tacklers and having his forward progress stopped;

» A player fielding a punt or a kickoff;

» A kicker or punter during the kick;

» A quarterback at any time after change of possession;

» A receiver who receives a blind-side block;

» A player already on the ground.

There is no such thing as a clean hit on a kicker or a punter in the act of kicking. The same can now be said of the QB.[/quote:2g7ll56e]
How do you read that and assume I "don't get it " ? You just posted rules that agree with me that the "source" is inacurate. :?

DukieBoy
12-15-2011, 10:33 PM
[quote=hawaiiansteel]"He could have hit him anywhere else but the head and probably have been fine," the source said.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... uspensions (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82506c63/article/nfl-ready-to-hand-suh-harrison-substantial-suspensions)
Hmmmm. So what about when he was fined for hitting Drew Brees in the back and Ryan Fitzpatrick in the chest ? You sure about that "source" ?

I dont understand why some of you are not getting this? No offense here but some of you need to read the rule about hitting a QB. I hate the fact that this is happening. I am old school and think the changing of these rules are killing the game of football. But the fact of the matter is these are the rules. You cannot hit a QB anywhere if he is in the act of throwing or has just finished throwing. Clean hits do not exist anymore when it comes to a QB in the act of throwing. Here is the rule. He is now considered a defenseless player.

No defensive player may run into a passer of a legal forward pass after the ball has left his hand (15 yards). The Referee must determine whether opponent had a reasonable chance to stop his momentum during an attempt to block the pass or tackle the passer while he still had the ball.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/protectionofpasser

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... der-review

Rules defining a defenseless player will be expanded and now will include eight categories:

» A quarterback in the act of throwing;

» A receiver trying to catch a pass;

» A runner already in the grasp of tacklers and having his forward progress stopped;

» A player fielding a punt or a kickoff;

» A kicker or punter during the kick;

» A quarterback at any time after change of possession;

» A receiver who receives a blind-side block;

» A player already on the ground.

There is no such thing as a clean hit on a kicker or a punter in the act of kicking. The same can now be said of the QB.

(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:

(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and

(2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.[/quote:1z228bm5]

You mean, like Ray Killer Lewis did to Hines Ward ???

pfelix73
12-15-2011, 11:22 PM
If I was Harrison, I'd just retire if this freaking league goes down that road...I wouldn't want any parts of it...F' em.


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