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hawaiiansteel
12-03-2011, 11:41 PM
Steel City is no Queen City

12/02/11 - The Morning Line
Written by p. daugherty


“If you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need..”

The Men and The Min, Round 2.

Before we get to the heavy and thoughtful analysis, let’s sling a little mud, whaddaya say?

I’m well versed in both cities, having lived Here since ’88 and having visited There since well before that. My creds are well established. Both of my parents grew up There, at least partly, mom in a hamlet called Burgettstown, dad for a brief time in Mt. Lebanon, a nice, close-in ‘burb not unlike Mariemont.

My wife’s from Aliquippa. Went to Hopewell High with Tony DOR-sett, before he became Tony Dor-SETT.

Freud would call it Steeler Envy, this animus we/you have for the Team Up North And East. Not sure why, beyond the football glory, that we so covet Pittsburgh. Everything else There is subpar, compared with Here. For example:

Mt. Washington There is a heap compared to Mt. Adams Here. They have a million-dollar view of the city and about three decent bars with a view. Their Beer (Iron City Light, nice liquid oxymoron there) is something we’d use to clean sinks.

Their Myron Cope, RIP,was a little squeaker compared with Our D. Lapham, who Played The Game.

Their sloppy sandwiches for obesity-seeking bohunks is dog food compared to the elegant mess of Our chili.

Their version of the English language requires translating. “Crick” means “creek” boys and girls!

Yunz, yinz, some damned thing meaning “you people.”

Dahntahn, ahtside, Troy PAWL-uh-MAWL-oo.

The “Paarts” used to play at Forbes Filled.

That portion of your dress shirt, up around your neck? Why, that’s a caw-ler.

Another day, another daw-ler.

Oh, rilly?

Nawt, gawt, hawt, spawt. Translation: Not, got, hot, spot.

Whut the heck’s goon on dahn dere?

They even call their own city Picksburgh. Rhymes with Hicksburg.

They need books to explain the way they talk. Picksburghese. There’s a website, presumably to teach their infants to speak local while jamming their infant pieholes with pierogies so they can all waddle around dahtahn like little earthbound Goodyear blimps.

You think the winter stinks here? We’re Cancun compared to Picksburgh. It used to be, the belch from the still mills kept their sky perpetually gray, and forced everyone who lived within 50 miles to clean their windows of soot several times an afternoon. Now, it’s just the climate. It’s as if the Big Weatherman in the Sky simply decided to keep the place in character once the mills shut dahn.

They have potholes in Picksburgh suitable for a family of four.

Deer run rampant in the semi-rural areas. If you havent had your rusting Ford wrecked by a buck, you’re not rilly from Picksburgh.

It snows in Awk-tober. A lawt.

Next time you come across Picksburgh-er waving his terrible tahl, get very smug and wish him gawdspeed. Then tell him it’s better here.

However. . .

You might dislike the arrogance of Stillers fans, but deep down you yearn to have a team worthy of the same arrogance. The only difference between Here We Go and Who Dey is, um, six rings.

You want what they have.

They have a mom and pop organization, too. Only their mom and pop have a personnel department with smart people running it. It’s why they’re good all the time, and The Men are good when the schedule favors them and everything goes right. Ma and Pa Rooney are seen as a civic treasure. They are perceived as upstanding members of the local community, Give-Backers who understand that their engagement runs deeper than taking your money and showing up on Sundays.

In its annual Who Makes What issue, Forbes mag said the Stillers made a $28 million profit in 2010. The Bengals profited, um, ah, well, $45 million. (The Ravens, who have the best team in the division, came in at a mere $25 million.)

Mainly, they have Ben.

Red isn’t Ben, at least not yet.

I wanted very much to pick the Bengals this week. They’re on the cusp, their best players have lots of viable time ahead of them. Conversely, the Steelers are a downbound train. Their best guys are aging and prone to wearing down. Their O-line is barely functional. Their running game is below average. But they have Ben.

Roethlisberger doesnt get the pub of an Aaron Rodgers, who throws passes you could hang on a wall. He doesnt get the attention of Drew Brees, or even a Tim Tebow. If Tebow ever learns to play QB the NFL way, he might approach Ben.

It’s the feet. Ben is Fred Astaire. We’ve known this for years, only now, many years into it, it’s more apparent than ever. Pittsburgh wins with a left tackle it cut (Max Starks) because Ben is the best, ever, at creating that extra half-second of time and space in the pocket. The TD throw we’ve been talking about all week — vs. KC last Sunday night — was so vintage Ben, a video clip of it should play behind the bust he’ll get someday, in Canton.

Can the Bengals contain Ben?

N. Clements came up lame in prax Thursday. That leaves them with A. Jones and K. Jennings starting, possibly. Ben missed three deep balls in the first meeting, one especially egregious, in the 4th quarter, down the middle to Mike Wallace. That won’t happen again.

The only clear edge Pittsburgh has is Ben. That’s a huge edge. M. Zimmer might be a genius, but if his guys can’t handle Ben, Pittsburgh will handle Cincinnati.

The Bengals can try to run, but Benson has never been much against the Steelers: Seven games, 94 carries, 315 yds, 3.35 avg. They can keep Red clean by throwing quickly, but they did that the first time. They can avoid turnovers, but if they get behind again, Red’s gonna be throwing into trouble. They have Green, a huge plus. They don’t Hall, probably Dunlap and possibly Clements, a huge minus.

The Steelers have L. Woodley this time. He embarrassed A. Smith last year.

I still believe The Men and The Min are ships passing in the night, and that next year, things will be different.

That’s next year.

The Men are goon dahn. Let’s make it 26-17.

Nowwwww, then. . .

* GOOD GUY FOR $12 MILLION, ALEX. J. Fay posed the question, paraphrasing, “How much should it mean in contract talks that Brandon Phillips is a good guy?” We addressed this here a few weeks ago. According to a couple agents I spoke to: Zip.

If any club would pay a guy a little more because of his fan-friendliness, it’d be the Reds. But still, they probably won’t. If you want fans to show up, win. Handing BP the keys to the jewelry case won’t work, if it means less to spend elsewhere.

* FIE ON BJ DANIELS! Man, I had my SPF 1 million already stashed in the carry-on. Fort Lauderdale on New Year’s Day! The girls on the beach/are all within reach! Then Daniels fumbles as the Bulls are driving for what almost certainly would have been a gamewinning score. Naturally, WVU wins on a FG on the last play. I feel like Punxsutawney Phil.

* SPEAKING OF LYLE. Too many people are telling me of B. Jones’ eagerness to abandon Clifton for there to be nothing to it. If I’m CBJ, I’m thinking, “My league is in limbo, my budget lacks, my all-league QB is a senior, fans remain on the fence. I need to see some greener grass.”

Which is understandable. What I don’t get, again, is the ease with which coaches can ask for loyalty and patience, then so quickly head for the exit when the opportunity arises. Last year, Jones couldnt stress enough that he was “building something” the inference being, I need lots of time, please allow me that. Not only was that a subtle shot at his predecessor, it came off as self serving. And now, if he leaves?

* REALLY TRYING to hang with American Horror Story on FX. But it has become so over-the-top weird and borderline offensive, it’s almost impossible.

So, there’s that.

* WHY DOES IT SEEM the Bengals always play in Pittsburgh in December, when the threat of death snow is omnipresent? Nothing sucks worse than hopping into the vee-hickle at 7 Sunday night, snow swirling, knowing I have 5 hours of drive time ahead of me. Last year was frightening. And you thought this was a glamorous job.

* THE MORNING MAN BATTLES HIS SAD by trying to come up with reasons to like winter. One occurred yesterday: Nine holes at The Weeds, not another idiot dedicated golfer in sight. Always said November was great golf time around here. Playing on Dec. 1 makes me feel like I’m getting away with something.

Enough? Yeah. I’m goon dahntahn to run dahn Mike Zimmer, and get me some defensive gospel.

BRAD ON BEER.

Three things this week. 1) Try a Fireside Chat by 21st Amendment brewery if you like heavily spiced winter ales— it’s one of my favs so far this season and it comes in a cool can 2) I like the can-do attitude of the craft brewers in Cincy. Last week it was Blank Slate Brewery, this week Double Barrel brewery announced plans to opening in early 2012. 3) I was ecstatic to learn that Mt Carmel is stepping outside of their comfort zone a bit by rolling out an Imperial Brown Ale, which will be unveiled tonight at The Comet.

Have a good weekend.

Don’t break anything.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/daugherty/2 ... ine-122-3/ (http://cincinnati.com/blogs/daugherty/2011/12/02/the-morning-line-122-3/)

NKySteeler
12-04-2011, 12:25 AM
JFC man, stop stealing posted material, and look it up for yourself.... BTW... I cut some of the total article out before I posted it on MY board, which you copied identically...

I honestly don't care too much because it's all just cheap entertainment, other than you're a mooch....

NKySteeler
12-04-2011, 12:35 AM
... Just can't stay away from my board, can you, Hawaiian.... :lol:

DukieBoy
12-04-2011, 05:53 PM
How utterly can despair warp perceptions and distort realities.

“The wounds that never heal can only be mourned alone.”
? James Frey, A Million Little Pieces

“Despair is the price one pays for setting oneself an impossible aim”
Graham Greene quotes (English novelist, short-story writer, playwright, and journalist, 1904-1991)

“I say my hell is the closet I'm stuck inside”
cymbidia
Dave Matthews Band quotes


http://www.despair.com/despair.html

D Rock
12-04-2011, 10:22 PM
JFC man, stop stealing posted material, and look it up for yourself.... BTW... I cut some of the total article out before I posted it on MY board, which you copied identically...

I honestly don't care too much because it's all just cheap entertainment, other than you're a mooch....


A mooch? It's the internet. Taking things and spreading them to other websites is pretty much the purpose of the internet. It's not like you actually wrote the article or anything and didn't get credit for it.

hawaiiansteel
12-04-2011, 11:44 PM
JFC man, stop stealing posted material, and look it up for yourself.... BTW... I cut some of the total article out before I posted it on MY board, which you copied identically...

I honestly don't care too much because it's all just cheap entertainment, other than you're a mooch....


A mooch? It's the internet. Taking things and spreading them to other websites is pretty much the purpose of the internet. It's not like you actually wrote the article or anything and didn't get credit for it.


thank you D Rock, it's during times like this that you find out who your friends are and aren't.

I'm very disappointed that NKY would call me names like this, after all NKy comes to this board and actively solicits posters to come over to his new board. NKy sent me a PM
awhile back and did exactly that and I know 100% of another poster he did the same thing to recently. NKy should be banned from this board for doing such an underhanded thing, I know if I were the owner of this board or a moderator I would ban him for doing that because his only intention is to harm this board and promote his own.

NKy has told me that he hates John Hansle the owner of this board and I know he is still resentful towards me because I stopped posting on his board about 8 months ago to concentrate my efforts and posting to only here. this was merely NKy's childish attempt to get revenge and get even on me for not posting on his board any more.

NKy, I thought you were my friend and up until this happened I respected you as a person and as a good poster. however, your hatred has consumed you to the point that you now stoop to calling a fellow member of Steeler Nation an immature and classless name on a public forum. the way you should have handled this was to send me a PM and we could have dealt with this issue man to man, but then that would have been the classy thing to do...

steelblood
12-05-2011, 11:16 AM
I have no problem with someone cutting on the Primanti's sandwich. But, to compare it to dog food when considering Cincinnati Chili is laughable. Cincinnati chili looks EXACTLY like watery dog food. And, it has no depth of flavor and a baby food like texture.

grotonsteel
12-05-2011, 05:52 PM
JFC man, stop stealing posted material, and look it up for yourself.... BTW... I cut some of the total article out before I posted it on MY board, which you copied identically...

I honestly don't care too much because it's all just cheap entertainment, other than you're a mooch....


A mooch? It's the internet. Taking things and spreading them to other websites is pretty much the purpose of the internet. It's not like you actually wrote the article or anything and didn't get credit for it.

:Clap

:Agree

grotonsteel
12-05-2011, 06:05 PM
I have no problem with someone cutting on the Primanti's sandwich. But, to compare it to dog food when considering Cincinnati Chili is laughable. Cincinnati dog food looks EXACTLY like watery dog food. And, it has no depth of flavor and a baby food like texture.


i love Cincy chilli.... 8)

grotonsteel
12-05-2011, 06:12 PM
JFC man, stop stealing posted material, and look it up for yourself.... BTW... I cut some of the total article out before I posted it on MY board, which you copied identically...

I honestly don't care too much because it's all just cheap entertainment, other than you're a mooch....


A mooch? It's the internet. Taking things and spreading them to other websites is pretty much the purpose of the internet. It's not like you actually wrote the article or anything and didn't get credit for it.


thank you D Rock, it's during times like this that you find out who your friends are and aren't.

I'm very disappointed that NKY would call me names like this, after all NKy comes to this board and actively solicits posters to come over to his new board. NKy sent me a PM
awhile back and did exactly that and I know 100% of another poster he did the same thing to recently. NKy should be banned from this board for doing such an underhanded thing, I know if I were the owner of this board or a moderator I would ban him for doing that because his only intention is to harm this board and promote his own.

NKy has told me that he hates John Hansle the owner of this board and I know he is still resentful towards me because I stopped posting on his board about 8 months ago to concentrate my efforts and posting to only here. this was merely NKy's childish attempt to get revenge and get even on me for not posting on his board any more.

NKy, I thought you were my friend and up until this happened I respected you as a person and as a good poster. however, your hatred has consumed you to the point that you now stoop to calling a fellow member of Steeler Nation an immature and classless name on a public forum. the way you should have handled this was to send me a PM and we could have dealt with this issue man to man, but then that would have been the classy thing to do...


Wow and i thought Nky was a legend here..and i respected him for that..

But it looks like Nky is acting like a 5th grader... :shock:

Sugar
12-05-2011, 06:31 PM
I have no problem with someone cutting on the Primanti's sandwich. But, to compare it to dog food when considering Cincinnati Chili is laughable. Cincinnati dog food looks EXACTLY like watery dog food. And, it has no depth of flavor and a baby food like texture.


i love Cincy chilli.... 8)

:Agree

I also LOVE Cincy style chilli! It's more of a condiment though, not something you would eat a bowl of on it's own like you would a Texas Chilli or something. Nothing like some Cincy chilli on a cheese coney or a pile of spaghetti!! :D

The Man of Steel
12-05-2011, 07:10 PM
I have no problem with someone cutting on the Primanti's sandwich. But, to compare it to dog food when considering Cincinnati Chili is laughable. Cincinnati dog food looks EXACTLY like watery dog food. And, it has no depth of flavor and a baby food like texture.
i love Cincy chilli.... 8)
......if you only knew what they put in that chili.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2010 ... uh-bedbugs (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100824/NEWS01/8250326/We-re-No-1-uh-bedbugs)

steelblood
12-05-2011, 07:17 PM
I have no problem with someone cutting on the Primanti's sandwich. But, to compare it to dog food when considering Cincinnati Chili is laughable. Cincinnati dog food looks EXACTLY like watery dog food. And, it has no depth of flavor and a baby food like texture.


i love Cincy chilli.... 8)

:Agree

I also LOVE Cincy style chilli! It's more of a condiment though, not something you would eat a bowl of on it's own like you would a Texas Chilli or something. Nothing like some Cincy chilli on a cheese coney or a pile of spaghetti!! :D

That is fine, but it is a lot more like the "dog food" the author talks about than Primanti's.

phillyesq
12-05-2011, 07:29 PM
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2010 ... uh-bedbugs (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100824/NEWS01/8250326/We-re-No-1-uh-bedbugs)

I'm not going to click on that link, and I've never had Cincinnati chili, but I suspect that, like a hot dog, it may be best to not consider the ingredients and just enjoy.

fordfixer
12-05-2011, 10:40 PM
This is some good stuff
http://www.chugwaterchili.com/index.html

Sugar
12-05-2011, 11:00 PM
I have no problem with someone cutting on the Primanti's sandwich. But, to compare it to dog food when considering Cincinnati Chili is laughable. Cincinnati dog food looks EXACTLY like watery dog food. And, it has no depth of flavor and a baby food like texture.


i love Cincy chilli.... 8)

:Agree

I also LOVE Cincy style chilli! It's more of a condiment though, not something you would eat a bowl of on it's own like you would a Texas Chilli or something. Nothing like some Cincy chilli on a cheese coney or a pile of spaghetti!! :D

That is fine, but it is a lot more like the "dog food" the author talks about than Primanti's.

IDK- I've never had Pimanti's. I hate cole slaw. I do know that a couple Skyline cheese coney's sound good right about now though!