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Steelhere10
11-27-2011, 11:44 PM
Is pathetic. There is no way in Hell with all this talent, that we should only have 13 pts. 3 to by the defense and only 13. 1/3 Qb 1/3 OC.

steelz09
11-27-2011, 11:50 PM
it is pathetic.

the penalties are unacceptable. how many o-line penalties do you think we have thus far? We probably have close to 10 combined with holding and offsides penalties

Steelhere10
11-28-2011, 12:00 AM
When we finally get a drive going by dinking and donking, Ben just have to look for the long ball and throw a dumb pick.

WindyCitySteel
11-28-2011, 12:30 AM
Horrible. No identity. Can't run, but we still try to pound it. Receivers drop balls, Ben makes a braindead throw every game, and the OL blows assignments all the time.

Not our year, I'm afraid. Too many holes.

DukieBoy
11-28-2011, 12:35 AM
You can't fix stupid.
Idiocracy.

Tho it is a win tonight, it won't stand against better teams.

grotonsteel
11-28-2011, 12:36 AM
Horrible. No identity. Can't run, but we still try to pound it. Receivers drop balls, Ben makes a braindead throw every game, and the OL blows assignments all the time.

Not our year, I'm afraid. Too many holes.


This sums it up about Steelers offense.

pittpete
11-28-2011, 12:42 AM
All the half is glass fullers will be along shortly to remind us a win is a win.
2 weeks between games and in primetime and Tomlin had no one ready to play.
Thank god we played Tyler Palko.
It would have been a blowout

Steel Life
11-28-2011, 12:45 AM
And yet we are 8-3...though it's true the guys didn't play well coming off the bye, they'll tighten up & have Pouncey & Troy back next week.

Hopefully BA will look at the film & realize he got too cute with the gameplan & settle down.

NJ-STEELER
11-28-2011, 12:45 AM
lack of reps (ben's injury and the bye week) tends to show up on gamedays

still should have been 14-0. had 2 tries at it as well

birtikidis
11-28-2011, 12:47 AM
All the half is glass fullers will be along shortly to remind us a win is a win.
2 weeks between games and in primetime and Tomlin had no one ready to play.
Thank god we played Tyler Palko.
It would have been a blowout
Actually most teams coming off a bye have been terrible this year. the new practice rules make it difficult for coaches.

skyhawk
11-28-2011, 12:54 AM
Is pathetic. There is no way in Hell with all this talent, that we should only have 13 pts. 3 to by the defense and only 13. 1/3 Qb 1/3 OC.

All this talent? Are you sure?

Steelhere10
11-28-2011, 01:52 AM
Is pathetic. There is no way in Hell with all this talent, that we should only have 13 pts. 3 to by the defense and only 13. 1/3 Qb 1/3 OC.

All this talent? Are you sure?YES ... Brown, Wallace, Sanders along with Heath and A Franchise QB and a decent / not great RB that's more weapons than the high powered patriots but yet scoring 30 pts is second nature to them.

chiken
11-28-2011, 02:39 AM
Is pathetic. There is no way in Hell with all this talent, that we should only have 13 pts. 3 to by the defense and only 13. 1/3 Qb 1/3 OC.

All this talent? Are you sure?YES ... Brown, Wallace, Sanders along with Heath and A Franchise QB and a decent / not great RB that's more weapons than the high powered patriots but yet scoring 30 pts is second nature to them.


sir all these weapons people are referring to are really unproven potentials at the moment and today they mostly stunk.
Wallace let some guy get into his head and proceeded to drop every thing..
Brown our appointed 2nd year h.o.f guy is still running the wrong routes at times..
Sanders has not proven that he can stay healthy long enough to be honestly evaluated (by us) ..
(funny how our most consistent receiver on the field today was Hines, but none of us want to admit that)

And would people stop comparing us to the Patriots - that team is built to be a pass happy squad - they draft based on that philosophy) We on the other hand are still trying to find out who we are.
We are traditionally a ground and pound, play defense and win it in the end team. We have NEVER been a team that could blow people out on the regular. You know this because we still have a RUN blocking line that we are trying to trick into thinking they are pass blockers. (and yes I know we cant run any more but if not for Bens ability to get out of trouble with his size and legs we wouldn't be able to pass either)

We have talent yes and we have hopes but in reality that's all it is until proven otherwise..

This isnt fantasy football, these guys arent going to be the Patriots just because we wish them to be.

hawaiiansteel
11-28-2011, 02:57 AM
On the Steelers: Both offenses sputter throughout game, but turnover battle is difference

Monday, November 28, 2011
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/201111/pd05steelers112711_160.jpg

Weslye Saunders celebrates his second-quarter touchdown reception with Trai Essex. The only touchdown of the game, it put the Steelers ahead, 10-3

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- In the year of the offense in the NFL, the Steelers and Kansas City Chiefs played a game Sunday night of practically no offense.

The Steelers wound up with the game's only touchdown and a 13-9 victory, barely beating a badly underwhelming opponent again and, according to one player, disappointing their coach who was hoping to see them make a "statement."

But the victory did keep them tied atop the AFC North Division with the Baltimore Ravens at 8-3. Four Kansas City turnovers did little to aid a Steelers offense that produced just 290 yards and two turnovers.

"We know we didn't play well on offense," receiver Mike Wallace said. "Nobody has to tell us that. We just had a bad day on offense."

Ben Roethlisberger looked as though he were playing with a broken right thumb which, of course, he was. He threw one interception in Kansas City territory and running back Mewelde Moore fumbled at the Chiefs 2 as the Steelers muffed early scoring opportunities. Roethlisberger's string of 200-yard passing games ended at 18 (21 of 31, 193 yards).

Kansas City quarterback Tyler Palko played worse. This time there was to be no late-game touchdown drive to beat them by a former Pitt quarterback, the way Joe Flacco of Baltimore did Nov. 6.

Palko, the reason Flacco transferred from Pitt to Delaware, threw three interceptions, the final one by Keenan Lewis at the Steelers 23 with 28 seconds to go to end the Chiefs' final stab at an upset victory.

He had two badly underthrown passes intercepted and lost a fumble on a snap from center in the first half. Palko was 18 of 28 for 167 yards.

Kansas City's offense managed just three Ryan Succop field goals.

The Steelers scored their only touchdown on Roethlisberger's 2-yard pass to rookie tight end Weslye Saunders. Shaun Suisham kicked two field goals for their other points.

The Steelers lost two starters in the first half -- safety Troy Polamalu to a head injury and center Maurkice Pouncey to what coach Mike Tomlin said was a stomach virus. Guard Doug Legursky moved to center and Chris Kemoeatu played guard after that.

Tomlin said Polamalu had concussion-like symptoms but cautioned that they did not know if he had a concussion or not.

Tomlin became animated after Lewis pilfered Palko's final pass and safety Ryan Clark tried to explain why. A week ago, the Patriots smacked around Palko and the Chiefs, 34-3, and Clark said Tomlin was looking for his team to make a similar statement and was animated "because we played terrible, because we didn't play well."

"He wanted us to come in here and make a statement," Clark said. "You look at what happened with New England last week, probably an elite team that handled a team they should have handled. I think he wanted us to come out and perform that way -- a big stage, prime time. Also, the last time we were in that situation, we gave up a touchdown to Baltimore and they win the game. So it's just about stepping stones, continuing to get better. I think that last play that Keenan made kind of got coach excited."

Palko led the Chiefs (4-7) on a 70-yard fourth-quarter drive that ended all too typically for the Chiefs, with Kansas City's third field goal of the game from Succop. It was the only score of the second half and cut the Steelers' lead to 13-9. Neither team threatened the rest of the way, although the Chiefs did reach the Steelers 32 with 38 seconds to go before Lewis' interception.

It was the sixth turnover in the past five quarters after the Steelers went through 39 quarters with only four.

"I'm proud of our defense," said end Brett Keisel, who recovered Palko's fumbled snap in the first quarter. "We needed those [turnovers]. We haven't been getting them. Coach [Dick] LeBeau said turnovers will come in bunches and they did [Sunday night]."

The Steelers, up 13-6 at the half, had two drives into Kansas City territory in the third quarter that ended with an interception and a punt.

After reaching Kansas City's 42 on their first drive, cornerback Travis Daniels intercepted a Roethlisberger pass at the 14 and returned it 25 yards.

The Steelers scored 13 points in the second quarter after falling behind, 3-0, in the first quarter.

Roethlisberger threw a 2-yard touchdown pass to Saunders and Suisham kicked field goals of 21 and 49 yards, the second on the final play of the first half.

The Steelers could manage only that 21-yard field goal after Ike Taylor returned an interception 29 yards to Kansas City's 7 on the final play of the first quarter. They ran twice for 4 yards and Emmanuel Sanders ran into a defensive back on an incomplete fade pass.

The Steelers had reached, in one way or another, Kansas City's 2, 3 and 7 on three different drives in the first half and came away with only three points.

Finally, they broke through for a touchdown after their second interception. Ryan Mundy, playing strong safety for injured Polamalu, intercepted a woefully underthrown pass by Palko to give the Steelers a first down at Kansas City's 24.

It appeared the Steelers would have to settle for a field-goal try when Roethlisberger was sacked on third down, but the Chiefs were called for a holding penalty to give the Steelers a first down at the 15.

From the 2, Roethlisberger, taking time and looking at several receivers, found Saunders, who made a leaping grab in the back of the end zone for his first NFL touchdown.

The Steelers led for the first time, 10-3.

Kansas City came back to score on a 49-yard field goal by Succop after Palko's 18-yard pass to Steve Breaston kept the drive going on third down.

The Chiefs won the toss and took the ball, and scored first on Succop's 41-yard field goal.

Late in the drive, Polamalu was injured when he tackled big tackle Steve Maneri, who was an eligible receiver and caught a short pass on the play.

The two sides then traded lost fumbles. Moore fumbled at the Kansas City 2 after picking up 6 yards on what was looking like a touchdown drive on the Steelers' first series.

The Chiefs gave the ball back when Palko fumbled the snap and Keisel recovered at the Kansas City 38. They moved to a first down at the 24 and Rashard Mendenhall ran 21 yards to the 3. But Heath Miller was penalized for holding on that play and the series wound up after a sack back at the 43, where it ended with a punt.

It was the begging of plenty of inept offense in this game.

"That's why it's a team sport," offensive tackle max Starks said. "Our defense played excellent."

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BURGH86STEEL
11-28-2011, 05:11 AM
Is pathetic. There is no way in Hell with all this talent, that we should only have 13 pts. 3 to by the defense and only 13. 1/3 Qb 1/3 OC.

All this talent? Are you sure?YES ... Brown, Wallace, Sanders along with Heath and A Franchise QB and a decent / not great RB that's more weapons than the high powered patriots but yet scoring 30 pts is second nature to them.

Fans should realize by now that it takes more then talent to win in the NFL or in any sport.
Especially, when that talent doesn't execute or makes mistakes.

The Pats QB plays with more consistency then the Steelers QB. That's why they produce more points.

WindyCitySteel
11-28-2011, 09:02 AM
Is pathetic. There is no way in Hell with all this talent, that we should only have 13 pts. 3 to by the defense and only 13. 1/3 Qb 1/3 OC.

All this talent? Are you sure?YES ... Brown, Wallace, Sanders along with Heath and A Franchise QB and a decent / not great RB that's more weapons than the high powered patriots but yet scoring 30 pts is second nature to them.

Fans should realize by now that it takes more then talent to win in the NFL or in any sport.
Especially, when that talent doesn't execute or makes mistakes.

The Pats QB plays with more consistency then the Steelers QB. That's why they produce more points.

The Pats QB is throwing underneath crossing patterns to TE's and Welker all game, usually behind stellar protection.

Steelers>NFL
11-28-2011, 03:21 PM
Is pathetic. There is no way in Hell with all this talent, that we should only have 13 pts. 3 to by the defense and only 13. 1/3 Qb 1/3 OC.

All this talent? Are you sure?YES ... Brown, Wallace, Sanders along with Heath and A Franchise QB and a decent / not great RB that's more weapons than the high powered patriots but yet scoring 30 pts is second nature to them.

Fans should realize by now that it takes more then talent to win in the NFL or in any sport.
Especially, when that talent doesn't execute or makes mistakes.

The Pats QB plays with more consistency then the Steelers QB. That's why they produce more points.

The Pats QB is throwing underneath crossing patterns to TE's and Welker all game, usually behind stellar protection.

And the Pats* put up 30 plus points week in & week out. Steelers barely do it 2 time a season.

Slapstick
11-28-2011, 03:27 PM
And the Pats* put up 30 plus points week in & week out. Steelers barely do it 2 time a season.

They didn't against the Steelers... :tt2

Ghost
11-28-2011, 03:33 PM
Love getting a much needed W but 13 points won't cut it against the Bengals this week or San Fran in a few.

They have to find a couple of plays that get in the endzone when they have it 1st and goal at the 4 or 5. What a ridiculous struggle it is to punch it in.

feltdizz
11-28-2011, 04:44 PM
Love getting a much needed W but 13 points won't cut it against the Bengals this week or San Fran in a few.

They have to find a couple of plays that get in the endzone when they have it 1st and goal at the 4 or 5. What a ridiculous struggle it is to punch it in.

True... but this was the Chiefs...

We already beat the Bengals in Cincy... and we will beat the 49ers as well. Look at the 49ers schedule and you will see they feasted on bad teams.

NJ-STEELER
11-29-2011, 08:21 AM
Is pathetic. There is no way in Hell with all this talent, that we should only have 13 pts. 3 to by the defense and only 13. 1/3 Qb 1/3 OC.

All this talent? Are you sure?YES ... Brown, Wallace, Sanders along with Heath and A Franchise QB and a decent / not great RB that's more weapons than the high powered patriots but yet scoring 30 pts is second nature to them.


sir all these weapons people are referring to are really unproven potentials at the moment and today they mostly stunk.
Wallace let some guy get into his head and proceeded to drop every thing..
Brown our appointed 2nd year h.o.f guy is still running the wrong routes at times..
Sanders has not proven that he can stay healthy long enough to be honestly evaluated (by us) ..
(funny how our most consistent receiver on the field today was Hines, but none of us want to admit that)

And would people stop comparing us to the Patriots - that team is built to be a pass happy squad - they draft based on that philosophy) We on the other hand are still trying to find out who we are.
We are traditionally a ground and pound, play defense and win it in the end team. We have NEVER been a team that could blow people out on the regular. You know this because we still have a RUN blocking line that we are trying to trick into thinking they are pass blockers. (and yes I know we cant run any more but if not for Bens ability to get out of trouble with his size and legs we wouldn't be able to pass either)

We have talent yes and we have hopes but in reality that's all it is until proven otherwise..

This isnt fantasy football, these guys arent going to be the Patriots just because we wish them to be.


I totally agree with ya. We have 3 smaller quick guys out there, with Wally having ludicrous speed. But, they are not those big tall (and fast) physical guys that create constant mismatches. And as you said. They youth hurts them more then helps them right now.

Regarding the pats. They also have 2 nightmare mismatches at TE. That is what makes their offense go. Heath is a great all around guy but he's notthe downfield threat that either of those guys are

WindyCitySteel
11-29-2011, 08:56 AM
The Pats QB is throwing underneath crossing patterns to TE's and Welker all game, usually behind stellar protection.

And the Pats* put up 30 plus points week in & week out. Steelers barely do it 2 time a season.

Right, and I'm saying it's the system. Their offense is quite simple. Get mismatches and exploit them until they stop it. Gronk on a LB, Welker on a safety. Game over.

Doesn't hurt that the line lets Brady stand flatfooted and survey the field for several seconds.

WindyCitySteel
11-29-2011, 08:58 AM
Love getting a much needed W but 13 points won't cut it against the Bengals this week or San Fran in a few.

They have to find a couple of plays that get in the endzone when they have it 1st and goal at the 4 or 5. What a ridiculous struggle it is to punch it in.

True... but this was the Chiefs...

We already beat the Bengals in Cincy... and we will beat the 49ers as well. Look at the 49ers schedule and you will see they feasted on bad teams.

No easier than our schedule. They won in Cincy and Detroit when both teams were playing better than they are now. We would have gotten boat raced in Detroit in September.

feltdizz
11-29-2011, 10:48 AM
Love getting a much needed W but 13 points won't cut it against the Bengals this week or San Fran in a few.

They have to find a couple of plays that get in the endzone when they have it 1st and goal at the 4 or 5. What a ridiculous struggle it is to punch it in.

True... but this was the Chiefs...

We already beat the Bengals in Cincy... and we will beat the 49ers as well. Look at the 49ers schedule and you will see they feasted on bad teams.

No easier than our schedule. They won in Cincy and Detroit when both teams were playing better than they are now. We would have gotten boat raced in Detroit in September.

49ers put up 13 on Cincy and beat Detroit on the last play...

I'm not sold on the 49ers and we will see in a few weeks if they are legit.

Really though... it doesn't matter what we put up vs a team we beat... we tend to play up or down to the opponent in front of us.

I've never bought into the "if we do this next week we'll lose" when have we ever done that? I've never seen us repeat anything we've done the week before...