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hawaiiansteel
11-16-2011, 09:46 PM
Franco Harris loses job for comments supporting Joe Paterno

The LA Times
November 16, 2011

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0153932405b3970b-600wi

Franco Harris' comments in support of his former college coach, Joe Paterno, have cost him his job.

The former Pittsburgh Steeler running back is the latest person to lose his job in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky child sex-abuse scandal, as The Meadows Racetrack & Casino in Washington, Pa., announced Tuesday it was suspending its business relationship with the Pro Football Hall of Fame inductee who played with the Nittany Lions from 1969 to 1971 under recently fired coach Paterno.

Harris, along with fellow former Pittsburgh Steeler Rocky Bleier, was hired by The Meadows in September to help with various outreach activities, charitable events and public appearances.

The Meadows issued this statement Tuesday night: "In light of the recent developments with Franco Harris regarding Joe Paterno’s dismissal, Franco and The Meadows have mutually decided to put their business relationship on hold at this time, while these matters are looked into further."

Paterno and university President Graham Spanier were fired Nov. 9 by Penn State's board of trustees as part of the fallout from the Sandusky scandal. Harris blasted the school for its treatment of the legendary coach.

”I feel that the board made a bad decision in letting Joe Paterno go,” Harris said. "I'm very disappointed in their decision. I thought they showed no courage, not to back someone who really needed it at the time. They were saying the football program under Joe was at fault.

”They really wouldn't give a reason. They're linking the football program to the scandal and, possibly, the cover-up. That's very disturbing to me.... I think there should be no connection to the football program, only in the case that it happened at the football building with an ex-coach. I'm still trying to find out who gave him access to the building, who signed that contract.”

Harris also is one of several high-profile athletes listed as an honorary director of The Second Mile charity, which was founded by Sandusky. Others include Cal Ripken Jr., Arnold Palmer and Andy Reid.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_ ... terno.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/11/franco-harris-loses-job-for-comments-supporting-joe-paterno.html)

pfelix73
11-16-2011, 11:08 PM
Ah, bunk- H'es better off not representing them.... He's spot on with his comments...

Way to go Franco....

:tt1

aggiebones
11-16-2011, 11:58 PM
agreed. Cowardly move by them.
And he is right. What many say was a good move in firing Joe, really was baseless and cowardly, unless they know something I haven't heard. Which is possible. But they were in arse saving mode only.

rpmpit
11-17-2011, 07:52 AM
Heard Jack Ham say it was a good move to fire Paterno.

Here, found this:

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/11/ ... ean-break/ (http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/11/11/jack-ham-on-paternos-firing-there-had-to-be-a-clean-break/)

MadSteel
11-17-2011, 08:08 AM
Im sure the several kids that got raped by a man and Joe was told about, would have to agree with Franco too. Football is the best thing to happen to planet earth, but Joe and several others were wrong not to tell on Sandusky. Its ruined a lot of young men's lifes.

feltdizz
11-17-2011, 09:18 AM
I watched him on Fox News last sunday and his answer to every question was they shouldn't have fired JoePa.

I understand Franco is a PSU guy but he needs to STFU. No one cares about Joe's job. It's not like he was really coaching anyway.

Joe sold his house to his wife for $1 and love and affection this summer. I think he knew this was going to come out. Why else would he do it? Joe knew and he paid the price.

snarky
11-17-2011, 10:41 AM
Given that Sandusky was investigated by campus police in 1998 and told in early 1999 that he would not be the next head coach, I find it very difficult to get around the idea that Joe didn't know any of this was going on. I think at the very least, they had to suspend him without pay until more was known; but given the controversy that was unraveling and the speed with which it was unraveling, I think they were correct to exercise their right to fire him.

phillyesq
11-17-2011, 11:01 AM
Joe sold his house to his wife for $1 and love and affection this summer. I think he knew this was going to come out. Why else would he do it? Joe knew and he paid the price.

Means nothing. Lots of people do it for various tax and estate purposes.

steelsnis
11-17-2011, 11:53 AM
Joe sold his house to his wife for $1 and love and affection this summer. I think he knew this was going to come out. Why else would he do it? Joe knew and he paid the price.

Means nothing. Lots of people do it for various tax and estate purposes.

Philly, I know you're an attorney, but on Colin Cowherd's show yesterday he was talking about this very thing. He indicated that several tax attorneys and attorneys specializing in Elder law looked into this and said that there is virtually Zero tax benefit to doing such a thing.

They said that the only benefit is as a shield against litigation.

FWIW, I'm not an attorney, just relaying what was discussed yesterday.

phillyesq
11-17-2011, 01:57 PM
Joe sold his house to his wife for $1 and love and affection this summer. I think he knew this was going to come out. Why else would he do it? Joe knew and he paid the price.

Means nothing. Lots of people do it for various tax and estate purposes.

Philly, I know you're an attorney, but on Colin Cowherd's show yesterday he was talking about this very thing. He indicated that several tax attorneys and attorneys specializing in Elder law looked into this and said that there is virtually Zero tax benefit to doing such a thing.

They said that the only benefit is as a shield against litigation.

FWIW, I'm not an attorney, just relaying what was discussed yesterday.

I know very little about tax law or elder law, but I know a lot of attorneys who have their homes in their spouses name after selling the home for $1. And not sole practitioners or people that would have liability concenrs.

I don't know what the specific benefits are, but I believe that there are benefits other than avoiding litigation exposure. I'm also not sure how much litigation protection such a transfer would offer, if any.

papillon
11-17-2011, 02:12 PM
Joe sold his house to his wife for $1 and love and affection this summer. I think he knew this was going to come out. Why else would he do it? Joe knew and he paid the price.

Means nothing. Lots of people do it for various tax and estate purposes.

Philly, I know you're an attorney, but on Colin Cowherd's show yesterday he was talking about this very thing. He indicated that several tax attorneys and attorneys specializing in Elder law looked into this and said that there is virtually Zero tax benefit to doing such a thing.

They said that the only benefit is as a shield against litigation.

FWIW, I'm not an attorney, just relaying what was discussed yesterday.

I know very little about tax law or elder law, but I know a lot of attorneys who have their homes in their spouses name after selling the home for $1. And not sole practitioners or people that would have liability concenrs.

I don't know what the specific benefits are, but I believe that there are benefits other than avoiding litigation exposure. I'm also not sure how much litigation protection such a transfer would offer, if any.

Well, I would think that if civil lawsuits start to become all the rage against Joe Paterno that the only assets that can be used for remuneration are assets that have Joe's name on them. So, by moving the house into his wife's name only, the house couldn't be part of a civil law suit. I could be wrong, but that would be my thoughts on why to transfer the house.

Pappy

feltdizz
11-17-2011, 02:16 PM
Joe sold his house to his wife for $1 and love and affection this summer. I think he knew this was going to come out. Why else would he do it? Joe knew and he paid the price.

Means nothing. Lots of people do it for various tax and estate purposes.

It means EVERYTHING when you a now in a scandal and are lawyering up.

when it was reported everyone said there were no tax benefits or reasons to do this.

The timing is very suspicious.

Shawn
11-17-2011, 02:20 PM
What strikes me as odd is where the focus lies with this situation. If I am infurated about anything it's that innocent children were likely raped.

Dee Dub
11-17-2011, 02:23 PM
I love Franco Harris. As a child he was my favorite player and a big reason I became a Steeler fan...however...if the following is true...

A source told ESPN's Schad that Paterno hopes to clarify what he was told by McQueary as soon as Thursday. According to the source, Paterno recalls McQueary "vaguely" referencing "fondling" or "touching" or "horsing around" by Sandusky and a youth. But Paterno never had the understanding that McQueary had witnessed a "sodomy" or "rape."

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... penn-state

...then Franco is wrong in his support of Joe Paterno. And that means that Paterno lied and covered up the scandal. And basically what Franco is doing is just what everyone else has done. Ignore a horrible thing because it involves Penn State and the legendary Joe Paterno.

feltdizz
11-17-2011, 02:25 PM
What strikes me as odd is where the focus lies with this situation. If I am infurated about anything it's that innocent children were likely raped.

That's why Franc needs to STFU! He can't answer any question without the blind love for Paterno. Dude actually said they should rehire Joe!

Really Franco? In your mind you really think they need to rehire Joe right now to set things straight? Franco is delusional...

feltdizz
11-17-2011, 02:30 PM
I love Franco Harris. As a child he was my favorite player and a big reason I became a Steeler fan...however...if the following is true...

A source told ESPN's Schad that Paterno hopes to clarify what he was told by McQueary as soon as Thursday. According to the source, Paterno recalls McQueary "vaguely" referencing "fondling" or "touching" or "horsing around" by Sandusky and a youth. But Paterno never had the understanding that McQueary had witnessed a "sodomy" or "rape."

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... penn-state

...then Franco is wrong in his support of Joe Paterno. And that means that Paterno lied and covered up the scandal. And basically what Franco is doing is just what everyone else has done. Ignore a horrible thing because it involves Penn State and the legendary Joe Paterno.

I remember hearing a few reports that said Joe stopped McQueary from going into the details...

Joe knew.... PSU knew... trustees knew... and I'm sure coaches around the NCAA knew. There is no way a coach goes from JoePa's heir apparent to never coaching again in the NCAA.

aggiebones
11-17-2011, 02:39 PM
First, I guarantee that Joe knew nothing about rape. But for legal reasons he took himself out of the loop. Frankly, it is not Joe's place to be at the epicenter of such a thing. Even though he ended up there.

This whole thing was handled by POLICE back in 1998 or 2000, sometime around there, I don't remember the timeline. They had Sandusky on phone conversations and conversations with parents. How is Joe Paterno above local police?
He wasn't on Joe's staff in 1999 and if people all knew about it, INCLUDING the police, why didn't the police follow up and take care of it?

Joe was fired immediately and the situation was not and should not have been in his hands. There is not video tape of anything that Joe saw. He got hearsay that he passed on to those that handle such things. The police department needs their arse handed to them.

Joe Paterno is not the law in Happy Valley. The law is the law and they failed those kids, not Joe Paterno, who was probably already half senile then in his mid 70s!

Dee Dub
11-17-2011, 02:53 PM
First, I guarantee that Joe knew nothing about rape. But for legal reasons he took himself out of the loop. Frankly, it is not Joe's place to be at the epicenter of such a thing. Even though he ended up there.

This whole thing was handled by POLICE back in 1998 or 2000, sometime around there, I don't remember the timeline. They had Sandusky on phone conversations and conversations with parents. How is Joe Paterno above local police?
He wasn't on Joe's staff in 1999 and if people all knew about it, INCLUDING the police, why didn't the police follow up and take care of it?

Joe was fired immediately and the situation was not and should not have been in his hands. There is not video tape of anything that Joe saw. He got hearsay that he passed on to those that handle such things. The police department needs their arse handed to them.

Joe Paterno is not the law in Happy Valley. The law is the law and they failed those kids, not Joe Paterno, who was probably already half senile then in his mid 70s!

Wow...seriously? You guarantee Paterno knew nothing about a child being raped in the Penn State Locker room shower?

How do you do that?

So let me get this straight.....McQueary along with his father both felt it necessary to go to Paterno's home to tell him that they saw Sandusky horse playing around in the shower with a 10 year child? McQueary, knowing how powerful and how much his community looks up to Paterno tells a grand jury that he informed Paterno of the rape he witnessed...but you say this isnt true?

Ok...... :roll:

grotonsteel
11-17-2011, 04:21 PM
What strikes me as odd is where the focus lies with this situation. If I am infurated about anything it's that innocent children were likely raped.

That's why Franc needs to STFU! He can't answer any question without the blind love for Paterno. Dude actually said they should rehire Joe!

Really Franco? In your mind you really think they need to rehire Joe right now to set things straight? Franco is delusional...

:Agree

I would also add Penn State Students who were rioting need to STFU.

BTW i hope Joe Pa has big backyard so that he can put his statue there once Penn State removes it from their campus.

RuthlessBurgher
11-17-2011, 04:34 PM
What strikes me as odd is where the focus lies with this situation. If I am infurated about anything it's that innocent children were likely raped.

That's why Franc needs to STFU! He can't answer any question without the blind love for Paterno. Dude actually said they should rehire Joe!

Really Franco? In your mind you really think they need to rehire Joe right now to set things straight? Franco is delusional...

:Agree

I would also add Penn State Students who were rioting need to STFU.

BTW i hope Joe Pa has big backyard so that he can put his statue there once Penn State removes it from their campus.

The number of Penn State students who held a candlelight vigil for the victims of abuse on campus (nearly 10,000) dwarf the few who overturned a TV van on campus.

hawaiiansteel
11-17-2011, 04:56 PM
Mayor calls on former Steelers great to step down as chairman

Pittsburgh Promise defends Franco Harris

Thursday, November 17, 2011
By Eleanor Chute and Bill Schackner, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

http://www.post-gazette.com/images5/harris-franco(1)_160.jpg

The executive director of the Pittsburgh Promise today defended ex-Steeler Franco Harris after Mayor Luke Ravenstahl demanded Mr. Harris resign as board chairman because of statements regarding the Penn State sex abuse scandal.

Saleem Ghubril, the executive director of the Pittsburgh Promise, said Mr. Harris is a "dedicated and respected" leader of the scholarship program.

Mr. Harris, who played football at Penn State under Joe Paterno decades ago, said Penn State was wrong to fire the famed coach because Mr. Paterno did what he was legally required to do in 2002 by informing a superior about allegations that an assistant coach had sexually assaulted a boy in a campus shower.

Mr. Harris issued a statement later today, saying he was greatly saddened that his personal opinions about a friend and mentor had been interpreted as a disregard for the victims of the alleged abuse.

"Nothing could be further from the truth," he said. "My heart aches for those young people and their families who were violated in the deplorable events at Penn State.

"Those who know me will be aware that during my many years of public service to the Pittsburgh regional community I have held steadfastly to the conviction that the protection and well-being of our children are paramount," he said.

He said he has attempted to "place the victims and their families at the forefront of my concerns while questioning the seeming rush to judgment in the treatment of Joe, who I know is deeply pained and distraught by events now under investigation at Penn State."

Mr. Harris indicated he has no intention of stepping down, saying the Promise's greatest potential lies ahead and as chairman "my misssion is far from complete ... I aim to see the Promise's potential fulfilled."

Neither the mayor nor his spokeswoman, Joanna Doven, could be reachd for comment today.

But in an email to Promise board members Wednesday evening, the mayor pointed to what he said was Mr. Harris' statement sayng saying Penn State trustees failed to give Mr. Paterno the backing he needed.

"I had to re-read it several times to fully comprehend the callous disregard and indifference for the victims of sexual abuse at Penn State," Mr. Ravenstahl stated in the email.

"To so adamantly and vocally defend one man while maintaining silence for those powerless to defend themselves, shows me that you are the wrong man to represent the Pittsburgh Promise and the ideals it embodies.

"When I personally asked you to join the Board of the Pittsburgh Promise, I had every confidence that you would exercise sound judgment in your public life. Sadly, these statements show no regard whatsoever for the well-being of the young victims of sexual abuse and have led me to question your position of trust with the Pittsburgh Promise as Board Chairman.

"It is my ethical and moral responsibility to recognize that you are no longer a suitable representative for any organization, let alone ours, and demand that you resign immediately from the Board of the Pittsburgh Promise."

The Promise board of directors is expected to discuss the matter at its meeting tonight, and Mr. Ghubril said the organization would have no further comment about the mayor's remarks until after that session.

Mr. Ghubril said today that Mr. Harris has shown "compassionate and dedicated mentorship to our students, and (worked) as a tireless advocate of the program within our region and beyond.

"His integrity in all aspects of his service to The Promise is unquestionable," Mr. Ghubril said.

Penn State officials including Mr. Paterno and Penn State President Graham Spanier, who stepped down by mutual agreement, faced growing criticism over Penn State's failure to alert law enforcement to allegations that former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky sexually assaulted a boy in a campus shower in 2002.

http://post-gazette.com/pg/11321/119067 ... z1dzihDX1r (http://post-gazette.com/pg/11321/1190672-100-0.stm#ixzz1dzihDX1r)

phillyesq
11-17-2011, 05:23 PM
Joe sold his house to his wife for $1 and love and affection this summer. I think he knew this was going to come out. Why else would he do it? Joe knew and he paid the price.

Means nothing. Lots of people do it for various tax and estate purposes.

Philly, I know you're an attorney, but on Colin Cowherd's show yesterday he was talking about this very thing. He indicated that several tax attorneys and attorneys specializing in Elder law looked into this and said that there is virtually Zero tax benefit to doing such a thing.

They said that the only benefit is as a shield against litigation.

FWIW, I'm not an attorney, just relaying what was discussed yesterday.

I know very little about tax law or elder law, but I know a lot of attorneys who have their homes in their spouses name after selling the home for $1. And not sole practitioners or people that would have liability concenrs.

I don't know what the specific benefits are, but I believe that there are benefits other than avoiding litigation exposure. I'm also not sure how much litigation protection such a transfer would offer, if any.

Well, I would think that if civil lawsuits start to become all the rage against Joe Paterno that the only assets that can be used for remuneration are assets that have Joe's name on them. So, by moving the house into his wife's name only, the house couldn't be part of a civil law suit. I could be wrong, but that would be my thoughts on why to transfer the house.

Pappy

Again, this is outside my area of expertise, but a transfer to avoid liability would not seem to offer much protection. It could easily be challenged as a fraudulent conveyance.

Eddie Spaghetti
11-17-2011, 05:52 PM
franco has always been a different type cat.

can't agree with him on this issue, though.

NorthCoast
11-17-2011, 08:44 PM
Franco's comments were plain wrong. If he chooses to support Paterno as a friend, then state it. But he was wrong in vilifying the university.
Let due process take its course, then you can place blame where it belongs.

The fact is, anyone associated with Sandusky is now tainted, at least in the public eye, until proven otherwise. Innocence until proven guilty.... ask Roethlisberger how that works.

feltdizz
11-18-2011, 09:47 AM
Franco's comments were plain wrong. If he chooses to support Paterno as a friend, then state it. But he was wrong in vilifying the university.
Let due process take its course, then you can place blame where it belongs.

The fact is, anyone associated with Sandusky is now tainted, at least in the public eye, until proven otherwise. Innocence until proven guilty.... ask Roethlisberger how that works.
Franco never said a word about the victims and he had tons of opportunities do so on National TV last Sunday

When asked about the victims Franco was so wrapped up in Joe he continued to talk about the trustees treatment of Joe. Everytime they tried to move on to the rest of the story Franco kept going back to Joe.

Franco is doing the same thing PSU did 15 years ago when they heard about Sandusky. He is focusing on football instead of the victims.

ColumbusSteelerFan
11-18-2011, 09:51 AM
Franco Harris steps down as Promise chairman

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11322/1190817-455.stm


Franco Harris steps down as Promise chairman
Friday, November 18, 2011
By Bill Schackner and Eleanor Chute, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Franco Harris stepped aside temporarily as chairman of the Pittsburgh Promise board Thursday while expressing sadness that defending his former coach and mentor at Penn State University, Joe Paterno, was seen by Mayor Luke Ravenstahl as disregard for child sex abuse victims.


Franco Harris"Nothing could be further from the truth," Mr. Harris said, defending recent comments he made in the Penn State sex abuse scandal. "My heart aches for those young people and their families who were violated in the deplorable events at Penn State.

"Those who know me will be aware that during my many years of public service to the Pittsburgh regional community I have held steadfastly to the conviction that the protection and well-being of our children are paramount," he said.

Saleem Ghubril, executive director of the Pittsburgh Promise, which provides college scholarships to graduates of Pittsburgh Public Schools, said Mr. Harris will remain on the board as a full voting member. The Promise board, meeting for several hours Thursday night, will meet again in the next few days to further discuss the matter.

"However, we did affirm without hesitation Franco's integrity, Franco's character and his clear and evident lifetime of service to children," Mr. Ghubril said.

Mr. Harris, who played football under Mr. Paterno decades ago, said university trustees were wrong to fire the famed coach last week because Mr. Paterno did what he was legally required to do in 2002 by informing a superior about allegations that assistant coach Jerry Sandusky had sexually assaulted a boy in a campus shower.

Mr. Ravenstahl apparently chafed at that opinion.

"I had to re-read it several times to fully comprehend the callous disregard and indifference for the victims of sexual abuse at Penn State," he stated in the email sent Wednesday evening to the Promise board.

"To so adamantly and vocally defend one man while maintaining silence for those powerless to defend themselves, shows me that you are the wrong man to represent the Pittsburgh Promise and the ideals it embodies.

"When I personally asked you to join the Board of the Pittsburgh Promise, I had every confidence that you would exercise sound judgment in your public life. Sadly, these statements show no regard whatsoever for the well-being of the young victims of sexual abuse and have led me to question your position of trust with the Pittsburgh Promise as Board Chairman.

"It is my ethical and moral responsibility to recognize that you are no longer a suitable representative for any organization, let alone ours."

Mr. Harris said neither the mayor nor his staff contacted him before sending the email.

Mr. Harris said he has attempted to "place the victims and their families at the forefront of my concerns while questioning the seeming rush to judgment in the treatment of Joe, who I know is deeply pained and distraught by events now under investigation at Penn State."

Earlier Thursday, Mr. Ghubril defended Mr. Harris, calling him a "dedicated and respected" leader of the scholarship program.

Mr. Ghubril said Mr. Harris has shown "compassionate and dedicated mentorship to our students, and [worked] as a tireless advocate of the program within our region and beyond.

"His integrity in all aspects of his service to The Promise is unquestionable," Mr. Ghubril said.

Penn State officials, including Mr. Paterno and Penn State President Graham Spanier, who stepped down by mutual agreement, faced growing criticism over the university's failure to alert law enforcement to allegations that Mr. Sandusky sexually assaulted a boy in a campus shower in 2002.

Staff writer Molly Born contributed. Bill Schackner: 412-263-1977. Eleanor Chute: 412-263-1955

flippy
11-18-2011, 11:51 AM
Franco started getting on my nerves when he started running out of bounds on every carry.

feltdizz
11-18-2011, 01:58 PM
Franco started getting on my nerves when he started running out of bounds on every carry.

so he was always on your nerves. :lol:

pfelix73
11-18-2011, 04:52 PM
Well, just watched the Dr. Phil show on this scandal. Franco Harris was on and explained that Paterno is getting the raw deal and that a great man is gonna be destoyed and he should be reinstated as coach. Franco says that this all went up the chain of command and the police WERE contacted. The DA's office said there was not enough to go on and therefore no charges were filed- back in 1998-1999. Then Dr. Phil asked OK- but why was Sandusky allowed back in the buildings afterwards? Franco said that the UNIVERSITY OFFICIALS allowed him access to the buildings, etc.

Franco says everyone just assumes that because Paterno runs the entire school and that this is just absurd. The school still has a Board of Trustees, AD, etc.

He said that this should be about the victims first and foremost- yes, but it wasn't a few weeks ago when they brought the those 1st two guys up on purgury charges....

I was never a JoePa fan or a fan of Penn State even though I'm from PA, but even I can see that a great coach who has devoted over 60 years of his life to that school has gotten a raw deal....

I applaud Franco's loyalty and remarks...Way to go #32...

:tt1

Oh sheet- I just admitted I watch the Dr. Phil Show,,,OMG

pfelix73
11-18-2011, 05:24 PM
Now CNN reporting Paterno has Lung Cancer...Treatable....

Ok- enough of PSU stuff-

:tt1

phillyesq
11-18-2011, 05:28 PM
Now CNN reporting Paterno has Lung Cancer...Treatable....

Ok- enough of PSU stuff-

:tt1

This could easily explain the transfer of the house to his wife. By better balancing assets between the spouses, each can take advantage of the maximum allowable estate tax exemption.

steelblood
11-18-2011, 05:35 PM
I think Joe could have and should have done more. But, I don't begrudge Franco his right to stick by a man whom he feels is a good and loving person. I respect Franco for speaking his mind and saying unpopular things. I may not agree with a lot of what he says, but free speech is free speech. We are always so PC in this country these days. Sometimes, from high atop our soap boxes, we forget that none of us are without sin. Maybe we would have handled this situation differently, but it is possible for any of us to bungle a situation where we may be perceived as a bad person. If I should reach that point in my life, I hope I have a friend that still believes in me and defends me.

feltdizz
11-18-2011, 09:06 PM
I think Joe could have and should have done more. But, I don't begrudge Franco his right to stick by a man whom he feels is a good and loving person. I respect Franco for speaking his mind and saying unpopular things. I may not agree with a lot of what he says, but free speech is free speech. We are always so PC in this country these days. Sometimes, from high atop our soap boxes, we forget that none of us are without sin. Maybe we would have handled this situation differently, but it is possible for any of us to bungle a situation where we may be perceived as a bad person. If I should reach that point in my life, I hope I have a friend that still believes in me and defends me.


This has nothing to do with PC or free speech. Franco isn't in jail, he is free to speak and free to defend his former coach. He also has more free time to think about the situation he is in right now. Franco had a perfect opportunity to defend Joe while putting PSU in a positive light. He chose to defend Joe and now he can stand next to him.

He is a good friend to Joe but honestly, good friends also tell you the hard truth. I hope my friends will tell me when I came up short in certain situations instead of defending my ignorance, arrogance etc.

hawaiiansteel
11-18-2011, 09:13 PM
No plans to remove 'Immaculate Reception' statue from airport

By Tom Fontaine, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, November 18, 2011


It appears Franco Harris -- rather, his statue -- always will have a place at Pittsburgh International Airport.

The life-sized statue of Harris making the "Immaculate Reception" isn`t going anywhere, airport spokesman Jeff Martinelli said. It stands next to a George Washington statue near escalators in the airport`s Airside Terminal.

"It is there to recognize a great moment in Pittsburgh sport history. We have no plans to move it," Martinelli said, adding the airport hasn`t received complaints.

Harris has come under widespread criticism for support of fired Penn State football coach Joe Paterno in the wake of a child sex abuse charges against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.

Harris temporarily stepped down as board chairman of The Pittsburgh Promise scholarship late Thursday, and he and The Meadows Racetrack & Casino in North Strabane severed ties earlier this week. Harris had served as a spokesman for the casino.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... z1e6bc55q1 (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_768157.html#ixzz1e6bc55q1)

RuthlessBurgher
11-19-2011, 06:26 PM
No plans to remove 'Immaculate Reception' statue from airport

By Tom Fontaine, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, November 18, 2011


It appears Franco Harris -- rather, his statue -- always will have a place at Pittsburgh International Airport.

The life-sized statue of Harris making the "Immaculate Reception" isn`t going anywhere, airport spokesman Jeff Martinelli said. It stands next to a George Washington statue near escalators in the airport`s Airside Terminal.

"It is there to recognize a great moment in Pittsburgh sport history. We have no plans to move it," Martinelli said, adding the airport hasn`t received complaints.

Harris has come under widespread criticism for support of fired Penn State football coach Joe Paterno in the wake of a child sex abuse charges against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.

Harris temporarily stepped down as board chairman of The Pittsburgh Promise scholarship late Thursday, and he and The Meadows Racetrack & Casino in North Strabane severed ties earlier this week. Harris had served as a spokesman for the casino.

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Seriously? This was even a question? Franco's opinion regarding the Paterno firing will be a distant memory by the time we are all carving turkey and eating pumpkin pie.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
11-19-2011, 07:11 PM
Franco started getting on my nerves when he started running out of bounds on every carry.

I'm sorry, I know this is a serious topic and I don't mean to diminish its seriousity, but that quote by Flippy just about made me fall out of my chair and spew creamed corn on my monitor.

I nominate it for "Deadpan Humorosity Post of 2011".

Do I hear a 2nd?

(P.S. - no Turkey carving here, Ruth, we are carving Turducken!!).

hawaiiansteel
11-22-2011, 07:17 PM
Franco Harris asks for donations to Penn State victims' fund

By Jill King Greenwood, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, November 22, 2011


Former Steelers star running back Franco Harris, whose public support for fired Penn State football coach Joe Paterno sparked controversy, today called on fellow alumni to donate to a fund supporting the alleged victims of a child sexual abuse scandal that rocked the university.

The campaign, in connection with the national Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network, is asking for alumni to step forward and "focus on the suffering of the victims of this alleged abuse that has traumatized them, shocked our students and outraged our nation," Harris said in an open letter.

"It is time for us all to stand up together and do whatever we can to help. We cannot simply just stand by," he said.

Donations to the campaign can be made online at http://rainn.org/ProudPSUforRAINN or you can text PSU4RAINN to 20222 to make a $10 donation. According to the website, the campaign has raised more than $464,000.

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Chadman
11-22-2011, 07:40 PM
Without trying to spark a riot amongst you guys, I see similarities between Franco's current situation & the one Mendy found himself in with his 9/11 opinions.

As far as I'm concerned- Franco can defend Paterno as much as he likes. It doesn't change my opinion of Harris one bit. It's kind of short sighted to believe everyone is going to agree with my opinion on every topic (although, you really should). So if Franco wants to defend a man he knows infinately better than I do- good for him.

I don't think it's right, and certainly not fair, to penalise him for his beliefs. (This is the comparison to Mendy coming in). You don't have to agree with him, but him losing his job for supporting Paterno is simply wrong. In my opinion- everyone can voice their opinion- right or wrong- so long as the voiced opinion isn't slanderous or causing pain to others. Should be able to do so without the fear of being sacked.

flippy
11-22-2011, 11:10 PM
Without trying to spark a riot amongst you guys, I see similarities between Franco's current situation & the one Mendy found himself in with his 9/11 opinions.

As far as I'm concerned- Franco can defend Paterno as much as he likes. It doesn't change my opinion of Harris one bit. It's kind of short sighted to believe everyone is going to agree with my opinion on every topic (although, you really should). So if Franco wants to defend a man he knows infinately better than I do- good for him.

I don't think it's right, and certainly not fair, to penalise him for his beliefs. (This is the comparison to Mendy coming in). You don't have to agree with him, but him losing his job for supporting Paterno is simply wrong. In my opinion- everyone can voice their opinion- right or wrong- so long as the voiced opinion isn't slanderous or causing pain to others. Should be able to do so without the fear of being sacked.

Hadn't really thought about it in those terms, but they're eerily similar.

The Harris comments probably hit closer to home because it's PSU, the Steelers, Franco, and child molestation which is downright sick.

Mendy's just a dancer that poses as a Steelers RB and attacking the US isn't as heinous as attacking a child. Plus the main damage was in NYC which is a foreign country as far as most Pittsburghers are concerned. So Pittsburgh's a little removed from that whole scenario. Not making light of this really - just pointing out that it's a NIMBY situation for the average Pittsburgher and got more play from the national media than the local media. And as bad as a terrorist attack is, it seems like nothing to me in comparison to an attack on a child. I'm sure it's all equally bad, but the innocent child angle makes the Harris comment seem so much worse.

But to someone from the outside, both situations seem really similar.

Chadman
11-22-2011, 11:17 PM
Without trying to spark a riot amongst you guys, I see similarities between Franco's current situation & the one Mendy found himself in with his 9/11 opinions.

As far as I'm concerned- Franco can defend Paterno as much as he likes. It doesn't change my opinion of Harris one bit. It's kind of short sighted to believe everyone is going to agree with my opinion on every topic (although, you really should). So if Franco wants to defend a man he knows infinately better than I do- good for him.

I don't think it's right, and certainly not fair, to penalise him for his beliefs. (This is the comparison to Mendy coming in). You don't have to agree with him, but him losing his job for supporting Paterno is simply wrong. In my opinion- everyone can voice their opinion- right or wrong- so long as the voiced opinion isn't slanderous or causing pain to others. Should be able to do so without the fear of being sacked.

Hadn't really thought about it in those terms, but they're eerily similar.

The Harris comments probably hit closer to home because it's PSU, the Steelers, Franco, and child molestation which is downright sick.

Mendy's just a dancer that poses as a Steelers RB and attacking the US isn't as heinous as attacking a child. Plus the main damage was in NYC which is a foreign country as far as most Pittsburghers are concerned. So Pittsburgh's a little removed from that whole scenario. Not making light of this really - just pointing out that it's a NIMBY situation for the average Pittsburgher and got more play from the national media than the local media. And as bad as a terrorist attack is, it seems like nothing to me in comparison to an attack on a child. I'm sure it's all equally bad, but the innocent child angle makes the Harris comment seem so much worse.

But to someone from the outside, both situations seem really similar.


Regardless of how heinous the crime Flippy- Franco has done nothing more criminal than defend a man he has respect for, and voiced his opinion. He hasn't condoned the attacks on the children at all- he's guilty of sticking up for a man that has gotten himself involved in an ugly situation. I see no problem with that. And yet, his opinion has cost him his job. Doesn't seem right.

flippy
11-22-2011, 11:32 PM
Without trying to spark a riot amongst you guys, I see similarities between Franco's current situation & the one Mendy found himself in with his 9/11 opinions.

As far as I'm concerned- Franco can defend Paterno as much as he likes. It doesn't change my opinion of Harris one bit. It's kind of short sighted to believe everyone is going to agree with my opinion on every topic (although, you really should). So if Franco wants to defend a man he knows infinately better than I do- good for him.

I don't think it's right, and certainly not fair, to penalise him for his beliefs. (This is the comparison to Mendy coming in). You don't have to agree with him, but him losing his job for supporting Paterno is simply wrong. In my opinion- everyone can voice their opinion- right or wrong- so long as the voiced opinion isn't slanderous or causing pain to others. Should be able to do so without the fear of being sacked.

Hadn't really thought about it in those terms, but they're eerily similar.

The Harris comments probably hit closer to home because it's PSU, the Steelers, Franco, and child molestation which is downright sick.

Mendy's just a dancer that poses as a Steelers RB and attacking the US isn't as heinous as attacking a child. Plus the main damage was in NYC which is a foreign country as far as most Pittsburghers are concerned. So Pittsburgh's a little removed from that whole scenario. Not making light of this really - just pointing out that it's a NIMBY situation for the average Pittsburgher and got more play from the national media than the local media. And as bad as a terrorist attack is, it seems like nothing to me in comparison to an attack on a child. I'm sure it's all equally bad, but the innocent child angle makes the Harris comment seem so much worse.

But to someone from the outside, both situations seem really similar.


Regardless of how heinous the crime Flippy- Franco has done nothing more criminal than defend a man he has respect for, and voiced his opinion. He hasn't condoned the attacks on the children at all- he's guilty of sticking up for a man that has gotten himself involved in an ugly situation. I see no problem with that. And yet, his opinion has cost him his job. Doesn't seem right.

If JoePa would have done what was right, he'd still have his job now and so would Franco.

Public reactions are weird to me most of the time. It seems like we collectively react out of our fears of ourselves. We judge others to a level we never hold ourselves accountable to.

99.9% of people that say they would have acted differently than McQueary or JoePa probably wouldn't have if in the same situation. And the reason people get so upset about this situation is the fear that they themselves would have acted the same way and they're disgusted by themselves.

It's like we question how could someone let this go. And then when we really think about it, we've all made some wrong decision in life and then realize, I could have easily f'd up that situation, it's disgusting, and we lose faith in ourselves and humanity.

I've watched enough "What Would You Do Episodes" to know the only ones that would intervene in the Sandusky situation would be a young mother, a hispanic lady, Jesus, or Tim Tebow.

People just don't get involved. And maybe we should take our frustrations with situations like this and collectively decide we should get involved when we don't really want to.

There's opportunities all around us every moment of every day to make better choices and get involved. And we never do.

If we pay attention, the world around us is begging for our involvement. And the real parallel I see here is every day we look away from someone or something just like the PSU folks looked away from these children.

RuthlessBurgher
11-23-2011, 03:38 PM
I've watched enough "What Would You Do Episodes" to know the only ones that would intervene in the Sandusky situation would be a young mother, a hispanic lady, Jesus, or Tim Tebow.

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feltdizz
11-23-2011, 08:22 PM
I'd like to think I would have done the right thing. My neighbor was crazy and would scream like she was dying when she would argue with her boyfriend. I made a phone call because I didn't want to be that guy who gets interviewed and says "it happens all the time, I didn't know she was being killed"

as far as Franco is concerned, just like Mendenhall its all about timing. The last thing an employer wants is to defend themselves when tensions are at their highest.

What Franco should have done is started the v ictim fund and then said how he feels about Paterno. Running to defend Joe was a reminder of how this situation got this far.