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SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
11-16-2011, 07:16 PM
O-L... C Yea 31 sacks leads the NFL but about 10 of those are on Ben. I think they have done decent at protecting Ben, rush blocking has been weak however.

WR... A Best wideouts in the NFL in my opinion. No need whatsoever.

QB... B+ Slow start but has come on very strong last 6-7 games. Start looking for replacement in 2 years. Lefty will be back next year.

RB... C Passing much more and run blocking has sucked. I still believe we have a great back in Mendy. Isaac is a starter elsewhere. Moore is servicable with Dwyer and Batch who got hurt looks like a keeper.

TE... B With Heath, Johnson cathing a few balls here and there and with Saunders whom I like, we should be set.

DL... D+ Not stopping the run as well as in the past. Hampton looks like he is getting old. Hood has done notta, while Keisal has done a decent job. I have been impressed with McClendon and Hoke has had a solid game or two in replacing Hampton early on.
Still we are somewhat set for the future here with Heyward, Hood and McClendon.

LB'S... B- Need more splash plays here, Farrior getting older (last year). Slvester is still a mystery. Harrison is still a beast. Timmons solid but not making splash plays. Worilds only looks decent and Woodley is having a nice year. Need everyone healthy.
Could use a nice inside LB in the draft to replace Farrior as Sly doesn't look much better than a Backup.

Secondary... B+ Ike needs to make the pro bowl. K Lewis looks like he is making strides. C Allen is playing which is a good sign. He looks solid when out there and has potential to be a long time starter. Gay has come on of late making great plays on the ball. Texas rookie (fogot name) is out there also and looks like he is gaining playing time.
I would of thought this would be our area of need but with so many looking the part maybe we can get away with just looking in the 3rd round again for a stud.

I said all this to say...I LOVE THIS TEAM. Yes we are getting older but the guys play together like a family. We have the best WR core in the league. Great personalities like Troy, Keisal and Ben with some nice young players about to step up.

Those are my grades for the year... I say lets win number 7 then focus on the draft.
I believe ILB and O-L maybe where we look. Thoughts?

SidSmythe
11-16-2011, 07:26 PM
QB... B+ Slow start but has come on very strong last 6-7 games. Start looking for replacement in 2 years. Lefty will be back next year.
Thoughts?

Ben is 29 ...it would have made more sense if you said "find his career backup this year" b/c I think Ben has a good 6-8 yrs left

SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
11-16-2011, 08:14 PM
QB... B+ Slow start but has come on very strong last 6-7 games. Start looking for replacement in 2 years. Lefty will be back next year.
Thoughts?

Ben is 29 ...it would have made more sense if you said "find his career backup this year" b/c I think Ben has a good 6-8 yrs left


Yea we may can wait another 3-4 years. What I meant was that we could at least start the process of finding Ben's eventual replacement and groom him a couple of years on bench. So more accuratley that would be 3-4 years when Ben is 33 or so.

SteelCrazy
11-16-2011, 09:07 PM
QB... B+ Slow start but has come on very strong last 6-7 games. Start looking for replacement in 2 years. Lefty will be back next year.
Thoughts?

Ben is 29 ...it would have made more sense if you said "find his career backup this year" b/c I think Ben has a good 6-8 yrs left


Yea we may can wait another 3-4 years. What I meant was that we could at least start the process of finding Ben's eventual replacement and groom him a couple of years on bench. So more accuratley that would be 3-4 years when Ben is 33 or so.


If he continues to get pounded into the ground, whether its the OL's fault or his, we may need to start looking real soon.

steelblood
11-16-2011, 09:11 PM
It is really hard to determine draft needs before March 1st with any certainty. We don't know who the Steelers will cut, who will be resigned to extensions, etc.

For example, you said our receivers are the best in football and there is no need to add to the pool. I think that may not be the case. We will likely cut Hines Ward and Battle given our cap situation. Cotchery will be a free agent. Wallace's rookie contract will be up and we must decide if we can afford to extend him or if we will try to give him the high tender as a RFA. We will likely retain him, but it is not a sure thing. But, even if we do retain Wallace, we may only have 3 proven WRs on the roster going into the draft. I'd say that makes WR a draft need especially considering the number of 4 WR sets we like to use. Furthermore, this is the year of the big receiver in the draft. There is incredible depth at WR in this draft. WR could be an excellent value in the middle rounds. We could find another future starter.

flippy
11-16-2011, 10:04 PM
I'd draft all defense.

Look what happened to the Pats. They got Brady all these weapons and linemen and their offense looks terrific, but their D is suffering big time and they won't compete for a title as a result.

Ben + Defense = Championships

Until Ben dies, load up on D talent.

hawaiiansteel
11-16-2011, 10:12 PM
I'd draft all defense.

Look what happened to the Pats. They got Brady all these weapons and linemen and their offense looks terrific, but their D is suffering big time and they won't compete for a title as a result.

Ben + Defense = Championships

Until Ben dies, load up on D talent.


if we don't draft an OG to take Kemo's spot Ben may die sooner than anyone thinks...

WindyCitySteel
11-16-2011, 10:25 PM
QB... B+ Slow start but has come on very strong last 6-7 games. Start looking for replacement in 2 years. Lefty will be back next year.
Thoughts?

Ben is 29 ...it would have made more sense if you said "find his career backup this year" b/c I think Ben has a good 6-8 yrs left

Depends on the hits. If he stays healthy, yeah, he can play into his mid 30's and play well, but not if he gets sacked 45 times and hit twice that every year. It adds up.

SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
11-16-2011, 10:28 PM
I think S is another position to look into. Mundy is decent but Polamalu and Clark are coming of age.

1st rnd---S
2nd Rnd--ILB
3rd Rnd--O-Line

WindyCitySteel
11-16-2011, 10:32 PM
Sign Starks....he's solidified the line as best he can. Keep Gilbert at RT, Pouncey in the middle, acquire a FA guard, and draft another in the first round. Doesn't have to be a Hutchinson or Faneca type signing, either. Maybe a Will Woolford type plugger that would upgrade Kemo. G is the weakness on the line.

On D, FS and DL depth can't hurt. Even if Hood, McClendon, and Heyward are the future, everyone else is old. If Sly isn't ready, we need someone to play inside next to Timmons. Farrior is on the other side of the mountain.

Finally, take a flyer on a dynamic kick returner. I live in Chicago so I see a lot of Devin Hester. He changes games. We won't find another one of him because they're once in a generation, but don't underestimate what a great special teamer can do, even if he doesn't play a regular position.

pfelix73
11-16-2011, 11:06 PM
TE- Are there any TE's out there with round 1 grades? A big TE who can block, pass block, and catch would be a great compliment to Miller.

steelblood
11-16-2011, 11:07 PM
I think S is another position to look into. Mundy is decent but Polamalu and Clark are coming of age.

1st rnd---S
2nd Rnd--ILB
3rd Rnd--O-Line

This is a good start. Those are all 1st round possibilities for us, I believe.

steelblood
11-16-2011, 11:07 PM
I think S is another position to look into. Mundy is decent but Polamalu and Clark are coming of age.

1st rnd---S
2nd Rnd--ILB
3rd Rnd--O-Line

This is a good start. Those are all 1st round possibilities for us, I believe.

NJ-STEELER
11-17-2011, 12:21 AM
It is really hard to determine draft needs before March 1st with any certainty. We don't know who the Steelers will cut, who will be resigned to extensions, etc.

For example, you said our receivers are the best in football and there is no need to add to the pool. I think that may not be the case. We will likely cut Hines Ward and Battle given our cap situation. Cotchery will be a free agent. Wallace's rookie contract will be up and we must decide if we can afford to extend him or if we will try to give him the high tender as a RFA. We will likely retain him, but it is not a sure thing. But, even if we do retain Wallace, we may only have 3 proven WRs on the roster going into the draft. I'd say that makes WR a draft need especially considering the number of 4 WR sets we like to use. Furthermore, this is the year of the big receiver in the draft. There is incredible depth at WR in this draft. WR could be an excellent value in the middle rounds. We could find another future starter.


Plus factor in sanders injury history

SidSmythe
11-17-2011, 09:48 AM
We definately need DEFENSE

Harrison could play for 4 or 5 more years, but then again what if he doesn't??
Farrior is done after the year.

I also don't see Ryan Clark being around for more than 2 more years.

OG needs to be addressed on the OFFENSIVE side of the ball. But Free Agency might be our best bet there since we've had no luck getting OG's in later rounds

ter1230_4
11-17-2011, 07:42 PM
I think S is another position to look into. Mundy is decent but Polamalu and Clark are coming of age.

1st rnd---S
2nd Rnd--ILB
3rd Rnd--O-Line


I would add nose tackle to that list. Casey Hampton has actually lasted longer than the average nose tackle, but in that position the end can come mighty quick. Joel Steed is a perfect example of that. The good thing about the Steelers needs is that you can usually find the best player in at least one of those positions even at the end of the first round. Some might have questioned taking a center like Pouncey in the first round, but if the guy has a chance at being the best at his position it's worth it.


We definately need DEFENSE

I agree. When people talk about the Steelers getting old, they are talking about the defense. With Hnes Ward no longer a starter, the Steelers O is one of the youngest in the NFL. It is Farrior (36), Hoke (35) Hampton (34), Keisal (33), Harrison (33), Clark (32) who make the defense old. The departure of Aaron Smith will begin the renewal process on D, but we're going to have to go heavy on the D in the draft the next two years.

winwithd
11-17-2011, 08:13 PM
In response to WindyCity, we already have Antonio Brown and I would not trade him for anyone.

I agree about S and ILB being priorities, unless we can switch someone currently on the roster as a CB over there. I am still wondering/hoping about Mortty Ivy at ILB. Could he have a future there? I dont know, is he currently with the team. I think he had been on and off lately. Could Worilds maybe play ILB? Could he do worse than being at OLB?

I wonder how long Heath has left. He has been fabulous but we might need to start thinking about it soon.

MaxAMillion
11-17-2011, 08:14 PM
I think the Packers have the best group of WR in the NFL.

Also, we won't have money to sign a FA OG. We will need to draft a quality OG in the first couple of rounds to upgrade that position.

I think we have three big needs....ILB, Safety, and OG. The play at those positions is mediocre at best. You can probably get away with our group of safeties for another season, but ILB and OG must be upgraded. The team also needs a NT but I am not sure if they can get a quality NT late in round 1.

I saw a post saying the team should draft all defense and using the Pats as an example of why that should happen. The Pats problem is that they have not drafted well. They have drafted defensive players that simply have not worked out. It is possible that Pioli was more significant in talent evaluation than what has been described.

StarSpangledSteeler
11-17-2011, 09:02 PM
I'd draft all defense.

Look what happened to the Pats. They got Brady all these weapons and linemen and their offense looks terrific, but their D is suffering big time and they won't compete for a title as a result.

Ben + Defense = Championships

Until Ben dies, load up on D talent.

Sorry Flippy, I respectfully disagree. The Pats are 6-3 and can still beat almost team in the league when their offense is on. The NFL is changing it's rules to help high powered offenses score more points. When you say "until Ben dies" you're selling out you're key to victory. I'm of the opinion "make sure Ben doesn't die" so that you CAN win more championships. Pouncey is great. Gilbert and Starks are both solid. Those three men are covering pretty well for our below average guards but what if we had two great pass blocking guards? What if we could score an extra 7 points a game? Our defense wouldn't need as drastic of upgrades.

Having said that, I agree that we need upgrades at NT, ILB, and FS. But I still think OG is our weakest link (LG and RG).

isonator07
11-17-2011, 09:21 PM
I think OG is the biggest weakness on our team also. DJ whiffs on too many blocks as well. When we run the ball and DJ doesnt even make contact with a defender we have 8 guys blocking 11 tacklers. Thats not gonna work out most of the time.

WindyCitySteel
11-17-2011, 10:51 PM
I'd draft all defense.

Look what happened to the Pats. They got Brady all these weapons and linemen and their offense looks terrific, but their D is suffering big time and they won't compete for a title as a result.

Ben + Defense = Championships

Until Ben dies, load up on D talent.

Sorry Flippy, I respectfully disagree. The Pats are 6-3 and can still beat almost team in the league when their offense is on. The NFL is changing it's rules to help high powered offenses score more points.

The Pats have a top three offense and a 32nd ranked defense. They're not a real contender. Need to aim for top ten in both if possible. We'll need to upgrade guard for that and backfill older players on defense.

I'm skeptical the Pack can get back to the Super Bowl with the 28th ranked defense.