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pittpete
10-24-2011, 12:59 PM
Was just thinking out loud.
Kiesel Hoke Hood Woodley up front rotate Heyward and McLendon in
Put Timmons in the middle
Since Lebeau loves to blitz his CBs all the time, go dime the whole game.
Fast DBs hopefully can get the pressure needed on Marcia that our LBers probably couldnt.
Sorry, but Farrior and Foote should not be on the field for any substanial amount of time for this one.
The 3-4 zone blitz scheme is not going to fool Brady
We all know it.
Crazy right?
Any one have Tomlins home address? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

birtikidis
10-24-2011, 01:01 PM
I'd probably run a nickel look most of the time.
or hell, have 6 db's and just let troy go in the box when he wants.

Jigawatts
10-24-2011, 01:12 PM
Maybe we should just video tape their practice. :lol:

Dee Dub
10-24-2011, 01:16 PM
NO!! Run your 3-4 and run it to your strength!! The past failures versus the Pats has been because LeBeau has decided to drop 6,7,and even 8 into coverage and allow Brady all the time in the world to pick the Steelers apart. The strength of this defense is it's LB's and their athleticism. Send them after Brady...and do it all game long. Blitz! Blitz! Blitz! If you lose, you tip your cap. At least you went down with your strength.

I think Lawrence Timmons outside could play a huge roll in this game. He is faster than James Harrison and the Pats probably wont fill the need to chip him with a back or a TE like they do versus Harrison.

Question: what's more dangerous? Tom Brady with time to throw or Tom Brady with pressure on him?

RuthlessBurgher
10-24-2011, 01:20 PM
The likes of Benjarvis Green-Ellis, Stevan Ridley, or Danny Woodhead isn't going to beat us. Brady to Welker and those TE's on the other hand...

Play plenty of nickel and dime defense right from the get-go. Considering all of the injuries to the front 7 as opposed to our relatively healthy secondary, this may work out for the best for us.

In the past, Brady has tried to minimize the impact of our front 7 and attacked the weaknesses in our secondary. This year, age and injury have impacted the middle of our defense, while our secondary has been surprisingly strong, so I wonder if Belichick has spent this last 2 weeks on bye trying to adapt to the new version of the Steeler D.

One thing is for sure, though. We need Timmons in the middle for these next two weeks. I don't want to see him on the outside any more. I'd rather than Worilds outside and Timmons inside (at least Timmons inside is a strength) than Timmons outside and Foote inside (both weaknesses).

In the nickle or dime, though, you can start Keisel and Woodley at DE (rotating Worilds and Carter in where needed...Worilds is not counted on to be an every down starter), with a rotation of Hood, Heyward, McLendon, and hopefully Hoke on the inside of our 4 man nickle/dime front.

Troy covers one TE, Timmons covers the other TE, and Ike covers Welker. Keep Gay far away from the TE's (put him on Branch).

Steelers>NFL
10-24-2011, 02:32 PM
NO!! Run your 3-4 and run it to your strength!! The past failures versus the Pats has been because LeBeau has decided to drop 6,7,and even 8 into coverage and allow Brady all the time in the world to pick the Steelers apart. The strength of this defense is it's LB's and their athleticism. Send them after Brady...and do it all game long. Blitz! Blitz! Blitz! If you lose, you tip your cap. At least you went down with your strength.

I think Lawrence Timmons outside could play a huge roll in this game. He is faster than James Harrison and the Pats probably wont fill the need to chip him with a back or a TE like they do versus Harrison.

Question: what's more dangerous? Tom Brady with time to throw or Tom Brady with pressure on him?

Agreed. They need ot HIT BRADY. More than just once. Even at the end of the play. Sometimes, taking a 15 yd penalty is worth it. Only way to rattle Brady is to HIT HIM.

pittpete
10-24-2011, 07:25 PM
The strength of this defense is it's LB's and their athleticism

Foote and Farrior and an out of position Timmons are not the strengths of this defense right now.
Woodley and Kiesel could drop into coverage and we could still blitz our DBs:theyd get there faster than Farrior or Foote
We go with our base 3-4 this week and we will get destroyed.

Slapstick
10-24-2011, 07:35 PM
Posted on another thread:


I would seriously take a look at the tape of the Green Bay vs. New England game last year...

Brady did not tear up the Pack...the packers were done in by a 71 yard KO return by an offensive lineman and the fact that Flynn was their QB while Rodgers recovered from a concussion...

tiproast
10-24-2011, 08:54 PM
Agree that the Steelers should try something different this game. Brady is pretty good at identifying the blitz and hitting the hot read, but if you don't rush him and give him time to find the open receiver, he'll carve up any D. LBs can't cover Hernandez and Gronkowski indefinitely.

A potential mismatch in this game could be Steelers D-line vs. Pats O-line.

Pats O-line should be relatively healthy for this one. Koppen (starting center) is still out, but Connelly is a decent backup. And with Mankins and Walters at guard, and Light, Vollmer, and Solder (rookie) rotating at tackle, I expect the protection for Brady to be pretty good.

Steelers D-line is without A. Smith, correct?

hawaiiansteel
10-24-2011, 09:01 PM
Steelers D-line is without A. Smith, correct?


yes, we placed Aaron Smith on season-ending IR.

however, he wasn't the same player this season he has been in the past and his replacement Ziggy Hood has actually been playing better than Smith this season.

the guy we're really going to miss this Sunday on defense is James Harrison, without him we have one less guy who has the ability to get to Brady.

tiproast
10-24-2011, 09:48 PM
the guy we're really going to miss this Sunday on defense is James Harrison, without him we have one less guy who has the ability to get to Brady.
Seems fair - Pats will probably be without their best LB, too.

Slapstick
10-24-2011, 10:06 PM
I would also take a look at the tape of the Buffalo Bills victory over the Patriots...

Interestingly, Buffalo also uses a 3-4 defense, but they are last in the league with only 4 sacks...

However, they are second in the league with 12 INTs (behind the Packers who have played one more game)...the Bills D appears to value QB hurries and pressure above sacks...forcing the opposing QB to get rid of the ball more quickly and creating more opportunities for INTs (and defensive TDs...Buffalo leads the league with 3)...

The Bills 3-4 defense collected 4 INTs from Brady (and 4 INTs from Michael Vick!)...

It's a copycat leegue...the Steelers should start copying...

Dresden
10-24-2011, 10:24 PM
Coach Lebeau's 34 defense is possibly the greatest ever devised given ENOUGH of the proper personel. However, without enough of the type of the aforementioned players,..it's much like most of the classic Martial arts systems,....a beautiful mess.

RuthlessBurgher
10-25-2011, 01:51 PM
Agree that the Steelers should try something different this game. Brady is pretty good at identifying the blitz and hitting the hot read, but if you don't rush him and give him time to find the open receiver, he'll carve up any D. LBs can't cover Hernandez and Gronkowski indefinitely.

A potential mismatch in this game could be Steelers D-line vs. Pats O-line.

Pats O-line should be relatively healthy for this one. Koppen (starting center) is still out, but Connelly is a decent backup. And with Mankins and Walters at guard, and Light, Vollmer, and Solder (rookie) rotating at tackle, I expect the protection for Brady to be pretty good.

Steelers D-line is without A. Smith, correct?

All right...who gave tiproast an enhanced patdown before allowing him in here this week? We don't want any cameras in here to record all of our strateegery. Time to bring out the full body cavity search, just to be safe! :wink:

hawaiiansteel
10-25-2011, 02:08 PM
Agree that the Steelers should try something different this game. Brady is pretty good at identifying the blitz and hitting the hot read, but if you don't rush him and give him time to find the open receiver, he'll carve up any D. LBs can't cover Hernandez and Gronkowski indefinitely.

A potential mismatch in this game could be Steelers D-line vs. Pats O-line.

Pats O-line should be relatively healthy for this one. Koppen (starting center) is still out, but Connelly is a decent backup. And with Mankins and Walters at guard, and Light, Vollmer, and Solder (rookie) rotating at tackle, I expect the protection for Brady to be pretty good.

Steelers D-line is without A. Smith, correct?

All right...who gave tiproast an enhanced patdown before allowing him in here this week? We don't want any cameras in here to record all of our strateegery. Time to bring out the full body cavity search, just to be safe! :wink:


after reading all of our brilliant stratagems, we'll most likely have tiproast thoroughly confused and overconfident... :)

Pahn711
10-25-2011, 02:11 PM
Screens and dumpoffs are what tend to stick in my mind about past Steelers-NE games. If the Steelers do a good job tackling and staying in their lanes, no elaborate scheme changes will be necessary. Taking away the short pass will put more pressure on Brady. Its just all about execution.

hawaiiansteel
10-25-2011, 02:53 PM
doesn't sound like we'll be scrapping the 3-4 defense for this game...


Steelers' Hampton might play against Patriots

By Scott Brown, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, October 25, 2011

http://files.pittsburghlive.com/photos/2011-10-25/dghampton-a.jpg

Casey Hampton is scheduled to practice tomorrow and may return to the Steelers' lineup for Sunday's game against New England.

Veteran nose tackle Casey Hampton could return Sunday after missing the previous three games with a shoulder injury.

Hampton is scheduled to practice Wednesday, Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said today at his weekly news conference.

The Steelers host the New England Patriots on Sunday for a 4:15 p.m. game, and they are slowly getting healthier on defense.

Nose tackle Chris Hoke (neck), outside linebackers Jason Worilds (quad) and James Harrison and guard Doug Legursky (toe) are "status quo," Tomlin said as far as their injuries. That means Hoke and Worilds have a chance to play against the Patriots, while Harrison will miss his fourth consecutive game, and Legursky will be out for a second straight week.

Veteran wide receiver Hines Ward is questionable for Sunday after spraining his ankle in the Steelers` 32-20 win at Arizona. Tomlin sounded cautiously optimistic that Ward will be able to suit up against the Patriots.

Tomlin said Ward`s "participation" this week in practice will dictate whether the 14th-year veteran plays against New England.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... z1boUtr5sj (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_763737.html#ixzz1boUtr5sj)

tiproast
10-25-2011, 08:22 PM
after reading all of our brilliant stratagems, we'll most likely have tiproast thoroughly confused and overconfident... :)
Are you sure you'll be able to tell the difference between a normally confused and overconfident tiproast, and the thoroughly confused version? :D

Oviedo
10-26-2011, 10:32 AM
NO!! Run your 3-4 and run it to your strength!! The past failures versus the Pats has been because LeBeau has decided to drop 6,7,and even 8 into coverage and allow Brady all the time in the world to pick the Steelers apart. The strength of this defense is it's LB's and their athleticism. Send them after Brady...and do it all game long. Blitz! Blitz! Blitz! If you lose, you tip your cap. At least you went down with your strength.

I think Lawrence Timmons outside could play a huge roll in this game. He is faster than James Harrison and the Pats probably wont fill the need to chip him with a back or a TE like they do versus Harrison.

Question: what's more dangerous? Tom Brady with time to throw or Tom Brady with pressure on him?

Exactly. Blitz! Blitz! Blitz! What's the worse that could happen...Brady picks you apart. That has always happened anyway. At least you can punish him and make him pay for every completion.

Unfortunatley I expect that in honor of Haloween we will see the "Scared defensive scheme" with us dropping lots of people into coverage.

Slapstick
10-26-2011, 11:31 AM
Exactly. Blitz! Blitz! Blitz! What's the worse that could happen...Brady picks you apart. That has always happened anyway. At least you can punish him and make him pay for every completion.

Unfortunatley I expect that in honor of Haloween we will see the "Scared defensive scheme" with us dropping lots of people into coverage.

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