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AkronSteel
10-23-2011, 07:45 PM
Dude played like a man today!! I really like this kid. He shows good strength at the POA and has a step to penetrate the backfield as well. I would expect to see more of this guy on the field as the season goes on. Big Snack may have the backup we have all been wanting to draft. Kudos to Mr. McLendon for stepping up and delivering!!! Next man Up!!!

:tt1

DukieBoy
10-23-2011, 07:49 PM
He held his ground well today. Give him a game ball (one of many today).

Next man up? Hayward is gonna be a stud.

Pahn711
10-23-2011, 07:49 PM
We haven't seen any real drop off with either Hoke or McLendon in there. You gotta start thinking Big Hamp is way overpaid and/or his days are numbered.

Steelerphile
10-23-2011, 07:51 PM
I think they have someone, McLendon, on the roster right now who can step in for Big Snack and do a good job. At this point, he is maybe better than Hampton. I am not anxious for Hampton to get well. If Hoke can get well, then the Steelers are set for this season at NT.

NJ-STEELER
10-23-2011, 07:52 PM
We haven't seen much drop off with either Hoke or McLendon in there. You gotta start thinking Big Hamp is way overpaid and/or his days are numbered.


areed

no need to spend a premium draft pick on NT

DukieBoy
10-23-2011, 07:55 PM
We haven't seen any real drop off with either Hoke or McLendon in there. You gotta start thinking Big Hamp is way overpaid and/or his days are numbered.

Pahn, you're the Grim Reaper, man. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously, I see your point here. Alot of such evaluation is going to happen in the front office after this season.

Pahn711
10-23-2011, 07:58 PM
We haven't seen any real drop off with either Hoke or McLendon in there. You gotta start thinking Big Hamp is way overpaid and/or his days are numbered.

Pahn, you're the Grim Reaper, man. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously, I see your point here. Alot of such evaluation is going to happen in the front office after this season.

:lol:

Yeah I hate to be so negative with players who have contributed much to the Steelers organization, but enough is enough. They've got too many old guys who are way overpaid and injured too often. I wanna see them have enough money to sign guys like Mike Wallace next year.

papillon
10-23-2011, 08:09 PM
We haven't seen any real drop off with either Hoke or McLendon in there. You gotta start thinking Big Hamp is way overpaid and/or his days are numbered.

Pahn, you're the Grim Reaper, man. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously, I see your point here. Alot of such evaluation is going to happen in the front office after this season.

:lol:

Yeah I hate to be so negative with players who have contributed much to the Steelers organization, but enough is enough. They've got too many old guys who are way overpaid and injured too often. I wanna see them have enough money to sign guys like Mike Wallace next year.

The Steelers, typically, do not lose any soon to be free agents to free agency, unless, they aren't in their plans. I'm guessing the best deep threat in the game is in their plans even though Ben doesn't throw a good deep ball. :stirpot :tt2

The front office is evaluating their young guys this year and I seriously doubt that Aaron Smith and Casey Hampton figure prominently in the Steeler plans next year. Even though Chris Hoke and Brett Kiesel are playing well I'm sure they're being evaluated as well from a performance/salary standpoint. Have some faith in the FO, they seem to get it right when it comes to player personnel decisions.

Pappy

feltdizz
10-23-2011, 08:12 PM
Well, Big Snack has been awesome for so long we should keep him around for 5 more years and let him go out on his own terms. :stirpot

Pahn711
10-23-2011, 08:13 PM
The Steelers, typically, do not lose any soon to be free agents to free agency, unless, they aren't in their plans. I'm guessing the best deep threat in the game is in their plans even though Ben doesn't throw a good deep ball. :stirpot :tt2


Just in the past decade, the Steelers lost Plaxico Burress, Antwan Randle El, and Nate Washington to free agency (and probably would have lost Santonio Holmes too if he got that far). I think my concern about the Steelers not paying big name wide receivers is pretty warranted.

DukieBoy
10-23-2011, 08:15 PM
We haven't seen any real drop off with either Hoke or McLendon in there. You gotta start thinking Big Hamp is way overpaid and/or his days are numbered.

Pahn, you're the Grim Reaper, man. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously, I see your point here. Alot of such evaluation is going to happen in the front office after this season.

:lol:

Yeah I hate to be so negative with players who have contributed much to the Steelers organization, but enough is enough. They've got too many old guys who are way overpaid and injured too often. I wanna see them have enough money to sign guys like Mike Wallace next year.

The Steelers, typically, do not lose any soon to be free agents to free agency, unless, they aren't in their plans. I'm guessing the best deep threat in the game is in their plans even though Ben doesn't throw a good deep ball. :stirpot :tt2

The front office is evaluating their young guys this year and I seriously doubt that Aaron Smith and Casey Hampton figure prominently in the Steeler plans next year. Even though Chris Hoke and Brett Kiesel are playing well I'm sure they're being evaluated as well from a performance/salary standpoint. Have some faith in the FO, they seem to get it right when it comes to player personnel decisions.

Pappy


:Clap :Clap :Clap :Cheers

Captain Lemming
10-23-2011, 08:59 PM
We haven't seen much drop off with either Hoke or McLendon in there. You gotta start thinking Big Hamp is way overpaid and/or his days are numbered.


areed

no need to spend a premium draft pick on NT

I've said forever that our scheme does not require elite DLine talent. Steeler fans love to pretend our guys are sooo great. For over a decade save for Hampton we have NOBODY who required a high pick on our line. And we replace Hampton with Hoke and now Big Mac with no ill effect whatsoever.

Shoe
10-23-2011, 08:59 PM
McLendon's power is apparent. On one play, I thought I saw him jack up the lineman blocking him and bend him back. If nothing else, he's a strong guy.

NJ-STEELER
10-23-2011, 11:40 PM
[quote=Pahn711]We haven't seen much drop off with either Hoke or McLendon in there. You gotta start thinking Big Hamp is way overpaid and/or his days are numbered.


areed

no need to spend a premium draft pick on NT

I've said forever that our scheme does not require elite DLine talent. Steeler fans love to pretend our guys are sooo great. For over a decade save for Hampton we have NOBODY who required a high pick on our line. And we replace Hampton with Hoke and now Big Mac with no ill effect whatsoever.[/quote:1kzjh5wm]


Great point

papillon
10-23-2011, 11:57 PM
The Steelers, typically, do not lose any soon to be free agents to free agency, unless, they aren't in their plans. I'm guessing the best deep threat in the game is in their plans even though Ben doesn't throw a good deep ball. :stirpot :tt2


Just in the past decade, the Steelers lost Plaxico Burress, Antwan Randle El, and Nate Washington to free agency (and probably would have lost Santonio Holmes too if he got that far). I think my concern about the Steelers not paying big name wide receivers is pretty warranted.

I don't really see how you're comparing Burress, El and Nate Washington with what Mike Wallace brings to the table. El and Washington wanted ridiculous money and the Steelers were right in letting them go. You will have a hard time defending a stance that says the Steelers made a mistake letting those two walk. Burress may be a bit easier to defend, but, he hasn't been anything special since his departure and the Steelers replaced him with Holmes.

Holmes was traded and clearly, the Steelers wanted to keep him, but his off-field problems were many and the Steelers traded him. Wallace doesn't seem to be prone to these types of problems, so I doubt he gets traded for a 5th round draft pick. If the Steelers want to keep Wallace, they will find a way to get him on the roster with a contract that makes both sides happy.

El and Washington weren't big time receivers, Burress and Holmes may have been, but the Steelers have managed without them.

Pappy

hawaiiansteel
10-24-2011, 02:14 AM
SUNDAY, 23 OCTOBER 2011

WRITTEN BY ED BOUCHETTE

http://photos.triblive.com/photos/PITT/1347807/38464541E.jpg

- Steve McLendon looked pretty good in his first NFL start, at nose tackle. The Cardinals had 73 yards on 19 carries and McLendon was involved. He was second on the team, unofficially, with five tackles and also had one for a loss. (First was Woodley with seven).

"He is new but he is not new to us,'' Tomlin said. McLendon was an undrafted rookie from Troy State in 2009 and made their practice squad. He mad ethe squad again last year but when Aaron Smith was hurt, they signed him and he played in seven games. He made the team this year and looks like someone who might play the position for them in the future.

"I have a lot of respect for what he is capable of in that locker room,'' Tomlin said. "Our offensive line, that is one of the guys they kind of whisper about, being tough to block. He had an opportunity to step in and do it today, and I think he represented himself very well.''

http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/inde ... appointedq (http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/pro-sports/steelers/112729-ed-aaron-smith-says-hes-disappointedq)

SteelCrazy
10-24-2011, 06:36 AM
We haven't seen any real drop off with either Hoke or McLendon in there. You gotta start thinking Big Hamp is way overpaid and/or his days are numbered.

Pahn, you're the Grim Reaper, man. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously, I see your point here. Alot of such evaluation is going to happen in the front office after this season.

:lol:

Yeah I hate to be so negative with players who have contributed much to the Steelers organization, but enough is enough. They've got too many old guys who are way overpaid and injured too often. I wanna see them have enough money to sign guys like Mike Wallace next year.

Whether Mike Wallace signs a long term contract or a tag is placed on him, he'll be wearing a Steelers uniform next year.

SteelCrazy
10-24-2011, 07:01 AM
If Hampton, Hines and Farrior would retire we would save somewhere around $16,000,000
in 2012. That doesnt include money borrowed from the 2012 cap if that still affects us cause I dont know. All 3 are deeply loved, but the young guns are ready to take over and they're not needed. McLendon is a FA next year along with Wallace, Legrusky, Redman, Ramon Foster,Keenan Lewis, Ryan Mundy and Mr. insignificant David Johnson.

Eich
10-24-2011, 08:06 AM
He had a nice game. But shouldn't we wait until we play an actual good team before we say that we don't miss Big Snack & Hokie?

fezziwig
10-24-2011, 09:25 AM
I like what I see from McClendon and Hoke. Big Snack played hard prior to a new contract but, has given much less than any other season that I can remember.

I've always felt Hoke did better than Hampton and now, so does McClendon.

Pahn711
10-24-2011, 09:29 AM
Just in the past decade, the Steelers lost Plaxico Burress, Antwan Randle El, and Nate Washington to free agency (and probably would have lost Santonio Holmes too if he got that far). I think my concern about the Steelers not paying big name wide receivers is pretty warranted.

I don't really see how you're comparing Burress, El and Nate Washington with what Mike Wallace brings to the table. El and Washington wanted ridiculous money and the Steelers were right in letting them go. You will have a hard time defending a stance that says the Steelers made a mistake letting those two walk. Burress may be a bit easier to defend, but, he hasn't been anything special since his departure and the Steelers replaced him with Holmes.


Sure, Wallace is showing to have more upside than any of them, but I still say all three of those guys showed promise with the Steelers, and had respectable careers with their new teams. Who is to say in hindsight they wouldn't have continued to be successful with the Steelers. And it wasn't so much that they wanted outrageous amounts of money, but that other teams were willing to pay it.

Burress had 2 (almost 3) thousand yard seasons with the Giants, not to mention helping them win a Super Bowl. So to say he hasn't "been anything special" since leaving the Steelers is outright false. He also left the Steelers in 2004, so he was NOT replaced by Holmes (who was drafted in 2006).

Randle El was averaging around 500-600 yards a season in Washington. Thats about what he did in Pittsburgh, and I agree he was overpaid, but he still made enough big plays that I would have liked the Steelers to keep him in his prime.

Washington is averaging 600 yards the last two seasons along with 6 touchdowns each (all with weak play at qb, this year with Hasselbeck hes already on pace to go over 1,000). He wasn't paid such an outrageous sum as to be unaffordable, the Steelers could have kept him. Hindsight is always 20-20, but if the Steelers didn't draft Brown and Sanders when they did, we could still be talking about how it was a mistake to let Washington go.

My point is, even if the Steelers guessed right in letting these guys go, it does prove they aren't afraid to let receivers who want too much money walk. I don't want money to be the reason for any of the three young guys we got, but it seems inevitable.

Slapstick
10-24-2011, 09:34 AM
He had a nice game. But shouldn't we wait until we play an actual good team before we say that we don't miss Big Snack & Hokie?

No. There are two reasons for this:

1) The Cardinals are an NFL team and are on the Steelers' schedule, whether or not you think they are a "good team".

2) The Cardinals are exactly the kind of team that Hampton has been underperforming against so far this season.

chiken
10-24-2011, 10:16 AM
Just in the past decade, the Steelers lost Plaxico Burress, Antwan Randle El, and Nate Washington to free agency (and probably would have lost Santonio Holmes too if he got that far). I think my concern about the Steelers not paying big name wide receivers is pretty warranted.

I don't really see how you're comparing Burress, El and Nate Washington with what Mike Wallace brings to the table. El and Washington wanted ridiculous money and the Steelers were right in letting them go. You will have a hard time defending a stance that says the Steelers made a mistake letting those two walk. Burress may be a bit easier to defend, but, he hasn't been anything special since his departure and the Steelers replaced him with Holmes.


None of those receivers we let go of were the best receiver on our roster at the time.. Hines made them expendable.. Wallace is the best in the best in the business taking the top off.. It would be a huge mistake to let him walk. (it wont happen) They will find his money. (It will cost them Sanders or Brown but Ben to Wallace will be a staple)

Sure, Wallace is showing to have more upside than any of them, but I still say all three of those guys showed promise with the Steelers, and had respectable careers with their new teams. Who is to say in hindsight they wouldn't have continued to be successful with the Steelers. And it wasn't so much that they wanted outrageous amounts of money, but that other teams were willing to pay it.

Burress had 2 (almost 3) thousand yard seasons with the Giants, not to mention helping them win a Super Bowl. So to say he hasn't "been anything special" since leaving the Steelers is outright false. He also left the Steelers in 2004, so he was NOT replaced by Holmes (who was drafted in 2006).

Randle El was averaging around 500-600 yards a season in Washington. Thats about what he did in Pittsburgh, and I agree he was overpaid, but he still made enough big plays that I would have liked the Steelers to keep him in his prime.

Washington is averaging 600 yards the last two seasons along with 6 touchdowns each (all with weak play at qb, this year with Hasselbeck hes already on pace to go over 1,000). He wasn't paid such an outrageous sum as to be unaffordable, the Steelers could have kept him. Hindsight is always 20-20, but if the Steelers didn't draft Brown and Sanders when they did, we could still be talking about how it was a mistake to let Washington go.

My point is, even if the Steelers guessed right in letting these guys go, it does prove they aren't afraid to let receivers who want too much money walk. I don't want money to be the reason for any of the three young guys we got, but it seems inevitable.

LouSteel
10-24-2011, 11:30 AM
1) The Cardinals are an NFL team and are on the Steelers' schedule, whether or not you think they are a "good team".


Every team can certainly win any day, but it's disingenuous to claim that a win over an 0-6 or 1-5 team is as significant as a win over a playoff caliber team. Beating up on the dregs of the league does get you a win, but doesn't say anything about the talent level of your players.


2) The Cardinals are exactly the kind of team that Hampton has been underperforming against so far this season.

:Agree

The whole DL is going to be tested against the Pats. I'm looking forward to it. :tt1

Slapstick
10-24-2011, 12:10 PM
Every team can certainly win any day, but it's disingenuous to claim that a win over an 0-6 or 1-5 team is as significant as a win over a playoff caliber team. Beating up on the dregs of the league does get you a win, but doesn't say anything about the talent level of your players.

Again, I disagree...I don't think that you can have it both ways...

Either a team can win on any given Sunday and, therefore, no opponent can be taken lightly or there are games that can be considered wins before they are even played...

I choose to believe the former...therefore, I have not written off next Sunday's game as a loss...

papillon
10-24-2011, 12:34 PM
Just in the past decade, the Steelers lost Plaxico Burress, Antwan Randle El, and Nate Washington to free agency (and probably would have lost Santonio Holmes too if he got that far). I think my concern about the Steelers not paying big name wide receivers is pretty warranted.

I don't really see how you're comparing Burress, El and Nate Washington with what Mike Wallace brings to the table. El and Washington wanted ridiculous money and the Steelers were right in letting them go. You will have a hard time defending a stance that says the Steelers made a mistake letting those two walk. Burress may be a bit easier to defend, but, he hasn't been anything special since his departure and the Steelers replaced him with Holmes.


Sure, Wallace is showing to have more upside than any of them, but I still say all three of those guys showed promise with the Steelers, and had respectable careers with their new teams. Who is to say in hindsight they wouldn't have continued to be successful with the Steelers. And it wasn't so much that they wanted outrageous amounts of money, but that other teams were willing to pay it.

Burress had 2 (almost 3) thousand yard seasons with the Giants, not to mention helping them win a Super Bowl. So to say he hasn't "been anything special" since leaving the Steelers is outright false. He also left the Steelers in 2004, so he was NOT replaced by Holmes (who was drafted in 2006).

Randle El was averaging around 500-600 yards a season in Washington. Thats about what he did in Pittsburgh, and I agree he was overpaid, but he still made enough big plays that I would have liked the Steelers to keep him in his prime.

Washington is averaging 600 yards the last two seasons along with 6 touchdowns each (all with weak play at qb, this year with Hasselbeck hes already on pace to go over 1,000). He wasn't paid such an outrageous sum as to be unaffordable, the Steelers could have kept him. Hindsight is always 20-20, but if the Steelers didn't draft Brown and Sanders when they did, we could still be talking about how it was a mistake to let Washington go.

My point is, even if the Steelers guessed right in letting these guys go, it does prove they aren't afraid to let receivers who want too much money walk. I don't want money to be the reason for any of the three young guys we got, but it seems inevitable.

We can debate whether Holmes was Buress' replacement or not, because of the years between Burress leaving and Holmes signing. But, I do know that when Holmes was drafted he was drafted because of the void at WR that Burress left after he was gone. Burress is the only one that is close to being a mistake and I don't believe he was showing the upside that Wallace is currently showing.

El and Washington were solid dime-a-dozen receivers and letting them walk and finding replacements wasn't difficult. If Wallace isn't willing to accept a fair offer and wants to be the number one paid WR in the league, my guess is that he'll get to go and test the FA waters and get his big payday. It will be a shame, but its how the Steeler do business. Sanders and Brown will hold down the fort and the Steelers will go looking for another WR to replace Wallace.

If the Steelers want to retain Wallace and he's willing to give a little bit, he'll be a Steeler. If he isn't willing to give a little (Ben did, Woodley did, Harrison definitely did) then he'll probably be playing in a different uniform.

Pappy

RuthlessBurgher
10-24-2011, 01:47 PM
Just in the past decade, the Steelers lost Plaxico Burress, Antwan Randle El, and Nate Washington to free agency (and probably would have lost Santonio Holmes too if he got that far). I think my concern about the Steelers not paying big name wide receivers is pretty warranted.

I don't really see how you're comparing Burress, El and Nate Washington with what Mike Wallace brings to the table. El and Washington wanted ridiculous money and the Steelers were right in letting them go. You will have a hard time defending a stance that says the Steelers made a mistake letting those two walk. Burress may be a bit easier to defend, but, he hasn't been anything special since his departure and the Steelers replaced him with Holmes.


Sure, Wallace is showing to have more upside than any of them, but I still say all three of those guys showed promise with the Steelers, and had respectable careers with their new teams. Who is to say in hindsight they wouldn't have continued to be successful with the Steelers. And it wasn't so much that they wanted outrageous amounts of money, but that other teams were willing to pay it.

Burress had 2 (almost 3) thousand yard seasons with the Giants, not to mention helping them win a Super Bowl. So to say he hasn't "been anything special" since leaving the Steelers is outright false. He also left the Steelers in 2004, so he was NOT replaced by Holmes (who was drafted in 2006).

Randle El was averaging around 500-600 yards a season in Washington. Thats about what he did in Pittsburgh, and I agree he was overpaid, but he still made enough big plays that I would have liked the Steelers to keep him in his prime.

Washington is averaging 600 yards the last two seasons along with 6 touchdowns each (all with weak play at qb, this year with Hasselbeck hes already on pace to go over 1,000). He wasn't paid such an outrageous sum as to be unaffordable, the Steelers could have kept him. Hindsight is always 20-20, but if the Steelers didn't draft Brown and Sanders when they did, we could still be talking about how it was a mistake to let Washington go.

My point is, even if the Steelers guessed right in letting these guys go, it does prove they aren't afraid to let receivers who want too much money walk. I don't want money to be the reason for any of the three young guys we got, but it seems inevitable.

We can debate whether Holmes was Buress' replacement or not, because of the years between Burress leaving and Holmes signing. But, I do know that when Holmes was drafted he was drafted because of the void at WR that Burress left after he was gone. Burress is the only one that is close to being a mistake and I don't believe he was showing the upside that Wallace is currently showing.

El and Washington were solid dime-a-dozen receivers and letting them walk and finding replacements wasn't difficult. If Wallace isn't willing to accept a fair offer and wants to be the number one paid WR in the league, my guess is that he'll get to go and test the FA waters and get his big payday. It will be a shame, but its how the Steeler do business. Sanders and Brown will hold down the fort and the Steelers will go looking for another WR to replace Wallace.

If the Steelers want to retain Wallace and he's willing to give a little bit, he'll be a Steeler. If he isn't willing to give a little (Ben did, Woodley did, Harrison definitely did) then he'll probably be playing in a different uniform.

Pappy

I'm with Pap on this one. Burress and Holmes were supremely talented, and justified where we took them in the first round. However, they both diva-ed their way out of Pittsburgh. Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.

Randle El and Washington were both excellent role players for us, but that's all they were. They had success in our system as #3 WR's, and other teams paid them as if they were elite-level starters. Randle El probably would have had continued success with us if he never left us for Washington as slot receiver, return specialist, and trick play expert, but I can't blame the guy for leaving for much $GREEN$-er pastures. Nate is starting for Tennessee right now by default. Britt's hurt this year, Moss failed there last year, they are signing guys like Donnie Avery off the scrap heap, etc. If he were on the Steelers this year, do you seriously think he'd be starting? Not only wouldn't he be starting, he'd be holding the Jerricho Cotchery role as veteran insurance...nothing more.

Plax and Stonio were big-time pains in the ass (their antics were no longer welcome), and ARE and Nate were expendable depth (nice to keep around, but not worth paying as if they were top notch starters). That is why those 4 guys are no longer here. Mike Wallace doesn't fit into either of these categories. He isn't the diva that Plaxico and Santonio were, and he's arguably more talented than both of them as well. There is no reason for the Steelers not to extend him to a long-term big money contract (which we will be able to afford once a number of our aging overpriced vets start retiring).

Pahn711
10-24-2011, 02:00 PM
We can debate whether Holmes was Buress' replacement or not, because of the years between Burress leaving and Holmes signing. But, I do know that when Holmes was drafted he was drafted because of the void at WR that Burress left after he was gone. Burress is the only one that is close to being a mistake and I don't believe he was showing the upside that Wallace is currently showing.



Technically, Holmes replaced Randle El, but yeah you could argue he was ultimately the spiritual successor to Burress.

As far as comparing Burress to Wallace, he had 2 1,000 yard seasons along with 2 seasons where his yards per catch were similarly high. Until Wallace has a larger body of work under his belt, I think their upside can be compared, but thats just my opinion.

Pahn711
10-24-2011, 02:25 PM
Nate is starting for Tennessee right now by default. Britt's hurt this year, Moss failed there last year, they are signing guys like Donnie Avery off the scrap heap, etc. If he were on the Steelers this year, do you seriously think he'd be starting? Not only wouldn't he be starting, he'd be holding the Jerricho Cotchery role as veteran insurance...nothing more.

We can't know for sure how Washington would have done here. You admitted El could have been more successful staying in Pittsburgh, its very possible Washington could have done the same. The Titans passing attack has been horrible due in part to its qb situation the last few years, now with Hasselbeck, Washington may break 1,000 this year. So I don't think its far-fetched to say if Washington stayed with the team they might not have drafted both Sanders and Brown, and he might have evolved in the offense enough to start. Theres alot of "ifs" there but I don't think its an unreasonable prediction.

In principle I agree with both you and pap, all I'm really trying to express is my concern that the Steelers will carry these policies forward with guys like Wallace and Brown in the future.



There is no reason for the Steelers not to extend him to a long-term big money contract (which we will be able to afford once a number of our aging overpriced vets start retiring).

But see thats what sparked this conversation, the Steelers ineptitude at letting go of overpriced vets. I don't think it will be as easy as you imply, but lets hope so.

Slapstick
10-24-2011, 02:33 PM
But see thats what sparked this conversation, the Steelers ineptitude at letting go of overpriced vets. I don't think it will be as easy as you imply, but lets hope so.

The Steelers are very "ept" at letting go of high priced vets...

The vets that they keep are either still productive or important for other reasons...

Pahn711
10-24-2011, 02:41 PM
But see thats what sparked this conversation, the Steelers ineptitude at letting go of overpriced vets. I don't think it will be as easy as you imply, but lets hope so.

The Steelers are very "ept" at letting go of high priced vets...

The vets that they keep are either still productive or important for other reasons...

Other reasons? What other reasons are there that warrant spending so much money?

Slapstick
10-24-2011, 02:54 PM
Other reasons? What other reasons are there that warrant spending so much money?

Read, my friend!

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20 ... ?ref=yahoo (http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2011/10/24/2510414/better-loved-ye-cannot-be-aaron-smith-and-the-pittsburgh-steelers?ref=yahoo)

Northern_Blitz
10-24-2011, 03:56 PM
If the Steelers want to retain Wallace and he's willing to give a little bit, he'll be a Steeler. If he isn't willing to give a little (Ben did, Woodley did, Harrison definitely did) then he'll probably be playing in a different uniform.

Pappy

It's not like players do this out of the goodness of their hearts.

Wallace will get a fair, long term offer that will make him (and his family) set for life. OR, he can take the 1 year tender (still good money) and roll the dice that he doesn't get hurt so he can get a bigger long term deal as an UFA.

I just think that most people will take option 1...and his agent will want to get paid now too, so that doesn't hurt our cause.

fezziwig
10-24-2011, 06:08 PM
I really don't think the Steelers will allow Wallce to walk unless he and his agent expect the Steelers to be as stupid as the Cardinals front office.
How they get the money I really don't know but, if there is any glimps of them pulling it off, they will.


My bet, Wallace will be signed to a multi year deal by the Steelers.

hawaiiansteel
10-25-2011, 06:19 PM
Steelers Notes: McLendon solid in first start

Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2011
By Mike Bires mbires@timesonline.com

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/timesonline.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/77/077dbc76-b3a2-5351-be46-3ffcba57597e/4ea63c87acee3.preview-300.jpg

Jaguars running back Deji Karim is tackled by Steelers Troy Polamalu and Steve McLendon (90) during the third quarter Sunday.

Little did Steve McLendon know, but in recent weeks some of his teammates talked about him behind his back.

"Our offensive linemen ... this is one guy they whispered about," coach Mike Tomlin said. What those whispers said, according to Tomlin, was that "he's a tough guy to block."

That's quite a compliment for McLendon, a virtual unknown until recently forced into the defensive line rotation due to injuries to NTs Casey Hampton and Chris Hoke.

On Sunday as Hampton and Hoke watched from the sidelines, McLendon made his first pro start and played well. LB LaMarr Woodley led the team in tackles with six solos and one assist. McLendon, a second-year pro, was next with four solos and an assist.

Before Sunday, McLendon had played sparingly in 11 games the past two years and recorded just three solo tackles.

"He represented himself quite well," Tomlin said.

An undrafted free agent out of Troy, McLendon spent most of the 2009 season on the Steelers' practice squad. Last year, he bounced back and forth from the practice squad and active roster.

This year, he opened the season on the roster and figures to stay there the rest of the year now that DE Aaron Smith has been placed on injured reserve. Because of his position flexibility, McLendon is now a valuable reserve at both nose tackle and D-end.

"Before (Sunday's) game, I was kind of nervous," McLendon said. "But that's to be expected when you have a young guy like me getting his first start. But I calmed down and started to get comfortable. All I was trying to do was play quick, play hard and play smart. I think I did ok, but I have to get better."

PRAISING AARON

Aaron Smith won't play again for the Steelers this season. He may never play another down because of his latest injury. And no Steeler is taking the news harder than DE Brett Keisel.

"It's going to be tough," Keisel said. "Aaron, in my mind, is the greatest. He's my mentor and someone who taught me this game. He will be missed in the locker room. But I think he's still going to be around and hopefully still be a part of our leadership in the locker room."

Smith, 35, was placed in the season-ending injured reserve list Saturday due to a neck injury that will require surgery. He also suffered a sprained foot in the Oct. 2 game against Houston and hasn't played since.

Because he's been injured in four of the last five seasons, there's a good chance Smith will retire.

"We all love Aaron and wish him the best," Keisel said.

TOMLIN ON 5-2

After a 2-2 start, when the offense was inconsistent and critics calling the defense called too old and too slow, the Steelers have gotten back on track with three straight wins. But Tomlin isn't ready to say the Steelers are playing their best.

"I don't over-analyze it," he said. "They have been winning performances and that is what is required of us in order to be the kind of team that we desire to be. We are perfect by no stretch. I think we are improving and finding ways to win. The arrow is pointed up, and we need to continue moving in that direction."

The next three games will go a long way in determining just how good the Steelers are.
This Sunday they host the Patriots (5-1), who lead the AFC East. On Nov. 6, the Steelers play the Ravens, who were 4-1 and leading the AFC North going into their Monday night in Jacksonville (1-5).

Then on Nov. 13, the Steelers travel to Cincinnati to play the 4-2 Bengals.

"I don't think we're there yet," added QB Ben Roethlisberger. "But we're getting closer."

http://www.timesonline.com/sports/local ... ccdf3.html (http://www.timesonline.com/sports/local_sports/steelers-notes-mclendon-solid-in-first-start/article_eee397d7-75ce-5434-86d6-dc69d6accdf3.html)

Shoe
10-25-2011, 10:22 PM
He had a nice game. But shouldn't we wait until we play an actual good team before we say that we don't miss Big Snack & Hokie?

No one's talking about Hoke. The guy makes no money as far as the salary cap is concerned, and certainly doesn't take up the (cap) space that Hampton does. Plus, Hoke is practically undefeated as a starter in the NFL!

Everyone is referring to that fat (figurative and literal) Hampton. He is so overweight, that his ONLY role right now is in short-yardage &/or 1st downs. He offers zero in pass-rush, he can't make any plays in pursuit... and he gets paid premium money (AND he's not an IRONMAN or anything.)

I was a Hampton fan in his prime, but that time is clearly passed. Being he's only good for one down, and his enormous salary, and the apparent fact that Hoke/McLendon can at least be adequate there... it's a no-brainer to me.

papillon
10-25-2011, 10:33 PM
If the Steelers want to retain Wallace and he's willing to give a little bit, he'll be a Steeler. If he isn't willing to give a little (Ben did, Woodley did, Harrison definitely did) then he'll probably be playing in a different uniform.

Pappy

It's not like players do this out of the goodness of their hearts.

Wallace will get a fair, long term offer that will make him (and his family) set for life. OR, he can take the 1 year tender (still good money) and roll the dice that he doesn't get hurt so he can get a bigger long term deal as an UFA.

I just think that most people will take option 1...and his agent will want to get paid now too, so that doesn't hurt our cause.

They may not do it out of the goodness of their hearts, but at the end of the day the Steelers have signed a lot of their FA players for less than they would have received on the open market. Why? I don't know, I guess the bird in the hand is worth two in the bush or deep down they really would rather play as a Steeler for a little less than they could get elsewhere.

Not all see it that way, El, Burress, Chad Brown et al and the Steelers are fine with that too. It's business and they stick to business model better than any other team, save for maybe the Patriots.

Pappy

hawaiiansteel
10-26-2011, 12:37 AM
By Mark Kaboly, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW

Wednesday, October 26, 2011


Tomlin's takes

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin on ...

-- The development of defensive tackle Steve McLendon:

"He's a much bigger guy than he was two, three years ago when he first got here. You always see him and Ziggy Hood working together. They've got a nice work ethic for some young guys. He's made himself a bigger, stronger, faster player, and he deserves credit for that."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... z1bqsGttsw (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_763779.html#ixzz1bqsGttsw)

hawaiiansteel
11-11-2011, 02:37 AM
PUBLISHED Thursday, Nov 10, 2011

by Gerry Dulac


Notes: Backup nose tackle Steve McLendon played so well when Casey Hampton and Chris Hoke were injured that he has moved ahead of Hoke on the depth chart. Hampton has returned from his injury, but Hoke was inactive against the Ravens even though he is fully recovered from a neck injury. McLendon came to camp bigger and stronger this year, allowing him to play more stout at the point of attack.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2 ... z1dN9CWTeI (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-11-10/pittsburgh-steelers-team-report-roethlisberger-says-sore-shoulder-wont-affect-hi#ixzz1dN9CWTeI)

skyhawk
11-11-2011, 05:09 AM
PUBLISHED Thursday, Nov 10, 2011

by Gerry Dulac


Notes: Backup nose tackle Steve McLendon played so well when Casey Hampton and Chris Hoke were injured that he has moved ahead of Hoke on the depth chart. Hampton has returned from his injury, but Hoke was inactive against the Ravens even though he is fully recovered from a neck injury. McLendon came to camp bigger and stronger this year, allowing him to play more stout at the point of attack.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2 ... z1dN9CWTeI (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-11-10/pittsburgh-steelers-team-report-roethlisberger-says-sore-shoulder-wont-affect-hi#ixzz1dN9CWTeI)

Isn't Hoke like 16-1 as a starter? ;)

phillyesq
11-11-2011, 10:22 AM
Other reasons? What other reasons are there that warrant spending so much money?

Read, my friend!

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20 ... ?ref=yahoo (http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2011/10/24/2510414/better-loved-ye-cannot-be-aaron-smith-and-the-pittsburgh-steelers?ref=yahoo)

I know you posted this a while ago, but I just saw it now. Great link - thanks for sharing.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
11-11-2011, 11:57 AM
The Steelers, typically, do not lose any soon to be free agents to free agency, unless, they aren't in their plans. I'm guessing the best deep threat in the game is in their plans even though Ben doesn't throw a good deep ball. :stirpot :tt2


Just in the past decade, the Steelers lost Plaxico Burress, Antwan Randle El, and Nate Washington to free agency (and probably would have lost Santonio Holmes too if he got that far). I think my concern about the Steelers not paying big name wide receivers is pretty warranted.

El and Washington were #3 receivers here who were paid as starters by other teams. In the case of ARE he never amounted to a starting receiver. Washington has started but has not stepped up as what you would call a quality starter. He has neither topped 50 receptions nor 700 yards since leaving the Steelers.

Burress was a starter, but it was just a case of the team not wanting that personality on their team. Not speculating as to why they did not want him, but it was not strictly a money issue. They did not make him an offer even after he was sitting out there without a job for awhile. Is was only when the Giants came back to him a second time that he was signed.

There is no reason to believe that Wallace belongs in the category of any of these three. He is substantially better than either Washington or ARE, and nowhere near the headache that Burress was.

Northern_Blitz
11-11-2011, 05:39 PM
If the Steelers want to retain Wallace and he's willing to give a little bit, he'll be a Steeler. If he isn't willing to give a little (Ben did, Woodley did, Harrison definitely did) then he'll probably be playing in a different uniform.

Pappy

It's not like players do this out of the goodness of their hearts.

Wallace will get a fair, long term offer that will make him (and his family) set for life. OR, he can take the 1 year tender (still good money) and roll the dice that he doesn't get hurt so he can get a bigger long term deal as an UFA.

I just think that most people will take option 1...and his agent will want to get paid now too, so that doesn't hurt our cause.

They may not do it out of the goodness of their hearts, but at the end of the day the Steelers have signed a lot of their FA players for less than they would have received on the open market. Why? I don't know, I guess the bird in the hand is worth two in the bush or deep down they really would rather play as a Steeler for a little less than they could get elsewhere.

Not all see it that way, El, Burress, Chad Brown et al and the Steelers are fine with that too. It's business and they stick to business model better than any other team, save for maybe the Patriots.

Pappy

It's because we generally don't let good players get to the open market. By negotiating with players before they are UFAs (RFAs or guys with a year left on their contracts), the team retains some leverage. Guys can get long terms and signing bonuses now so they don't have to risk a season of poor performance or injury that would hurt their FMV. They pay for that security with lower salaries.

The one exception I can think of is Ike because we let him get to UFA. But, I don't know if our plan would have been different without the lockout (or if Ike had hands).