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hawaiiansteel
10-11-2011, 05:13 PM
Hard work paying off for Hoke

There's nothing mystical about Chris Hoke's play ... just good, old-fashioned hard work

Tuesday, October 11, 2011
By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

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Watch backup nose tackle Chris Hoke during the Steelers home game Sunday against the Jacksonville Jaguars. It won't matter if he's on the Heinz Field lawn or on the sideline. He will be bouncing up and down, a 305-pound block of endless enthusiasm, working on his footwork, working on his punching technique, working on every aspect of his game.

"We love Hokey's energy," Steelers defensive captain James Farrior said.

On the field, anyway.

"He can be annoying," linebacker Larry Foote said. "We'll be in the cafeteria line and, all of a sudden, he'll break down into his 3-point stance. It's like he's always kissing up to the coaches."

Foote grinned.

"But that's Hoke. That's just how he works. He's always working on his craft. He's a true professional."

That's why Hoke has lasted 11 seasons in the NFL despite being an undrafted free agent. That's why the Steelers defense was more than effective -- above the line, in coach Mike Tomlin's words -- with him starting for injured Pro Bowler Casey Hampton in the 38-17 home win against the Tennessee Titans.

"I love having Hokey in there," Farrior said. "He's my man. I always remind Hamp that I made the Pro Bowl the one year I played behind Hokey when he was starting. Hamp doesn't like hearing that."

That was the 2004 season when Farrior made All-Pro. Hoke started the final 10 regular-season games after Hampton went down with a knee injury in Dallas. The Steelers won all 10.

"I think the Hokester has a better record than anyone else in the business when he starts," defensive end Brett Keisel said.

It's 16-1 after the win Sunday. The loss was against the Oakland Raiders in 2006, but that hardly was Hoke's fault. That was the day the Raiders managed 98 yards but still won because Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger threw four interceptions, two that were returned for touchdowns.

"I have a real easy explanation for that [16-1] record," Hoke said Monday. "The other guys realize I'm in there for Hamp and they know they have to step up their game. It has nothing to do with me and everything to do with them."

Don't you just love a modest athlete?

"Hokey could start for a lot of other teams," Farrior said.

Hoke said he has never regretted not pursuing such an opportunity. He has made a great living. His wife loves Pittsburgh. His five kids are comfortable here. He likes the city, his teammates, his coaches. He likes his two Super Bowl rings. He likes being a Steeler. He can't imagine being anything but a Steeler before he retires.

"Packing up and leaving just never seemed worth a few extra dollars," Hoke said.

In some ways, Hoke can't believe he has lasted this long in the NFL. He and Hampton came in together in 2001. Hampton, as a No. 1 draft pick, was destined for greatness. Hoke, out of Brigham Young, not so much.

"I was just talking about that with my wife," he said. "I remember my first training camp when I wasn't getting any reps. I remember calling home. 'Babe, I don't see how I can make the team. I'm not getting a chance.' I'm just so glad I kept putting up the good fight. When you're a free agent, you have to have talent to make a team, but you also have to be lucky. I was lucky. It's been an unbelievable ride."

The Steelers are glad Hoke stuck around. Facing salary-cap issues, they didn't re-sign him until early August, after camp began. He earned his pay Sunday, being involved in three tackles of Titans running back Chris Johnson for losses and getting a hurry on quarterback Matt Hasselbeck.

"Thanks, but you know me, I concentrate on what I did wrong," Hoke said.

It turns out Hoke was responsible for Johnson's 21-yard run on the Titans' first play. He was held up by center Eugene Amano and chopped down by right guard Jake Scott. Johnson cut back and ran by him.

"I don't want to say I panicked," Hoke said. "But I was like, 'Oh, boy, that's the same play teams have been hurting us with. I can't let this happen all day.' After that first series, I went to the sideline and gathered my thoughts. After that, I was better."

Johnson finished with 51 yards on 14 carries.

What an improvement for a defense that allowed the Houston Texans 180 rushing yards a week earlier in a 17-10 loss.

"At our meeting Saturday night, [defensive coordinator D!ck LeBeau] stood in front of us and said, 'There's no way in hell anyone can tell me that you guys can't stop the run and can't make plays,' " Farrior recalled. " 'I've seen you guys play. I know what you can do.' "

That includes Hoke.

"Oh, yeah, [LeBeau] believes in him," Farrior said. "He trusts him. Hokey has earned that trust."

There's a good chance Hampton and his bad shoulder won't be ready Sunday for the Jaguars. Hoke will be prepared for a second consecutive start. He's glad the Steelers finally called again this summer with a contract offer. He's thrilled he didn't have to retire even though he's looking forward to his "second dream job" -- hopefully as a coach at BYU.

"I just want to help the team," Hoke said. "I don't want to be a deterrent. I want to be someone who lifts the guys up. I want to bring energy."

On the field during practices and games. In the meeting room and locker room. Maybe even in the cafeteria lunch line.

A kiss-up to the coaches?

"Nah," Foote said.

"Just Hoke being Hoke."

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flippy
10-11-2011, 09:17 PM
I started wondering if Hoke should start over Casey?

I remember in his extended playing time when Casey got hurt, the run D was its best ever.

Again, we got a lift against one of the best rushers in the game.

I think the value Hokie has is he's a little more athletic and nimble than Big Casey. And because of it, teams can't cut block him.

The problem with Hampton this year is everyone's cutting him and he's not able to adjust and stop it from happening. Why not?

If he can't answer that, it probably means Hokie deserves to see the field more.

And the Hokie being Hokie comment probably has to do with him being a mormon. Every mormon person I've ever know has this super spirit and character that sets them apart from everyone else. If I didn't think their religion was all whack, I'd convert so I could ooze that mega positive mojo those folks have. Except for the ones that marry a gaggle of 12 year olds and Mitt Romney. I've never met any of those mormons. But the rest that I have met are super cool people.

chiken
10-12-2011, 08:59 AM
Always loved Hoke.. I wonder if him always having "Fresh" legs helps him.. Like even if you start him for One whole season its still just One Season - he has very little wear-n-tear on him.. It's like the comfortable Misteress, Always looking good because you dont have to see her in the morning.


Just a thought.

BradshawsHairdresser
10-12-2011, 09:09 AM
Always loved Hoke.. I wonder if him always having "Fresh" legs helps him.. Like even if you start him for One whole season its still just One Season - he has very little wear-n-tear on him.. It's like the comfortable Misteress, Always looking good because you dont have to see her in the morning.


Just a thought.

I was with you until you compared Hoke to a mistress... :shock:

Pahn711
10-12-2011, 09:19 AM
I started wondering if Hoke should start over Casey?

I remember in his extended playing time when Casey got hurt, the run D was its best ever.



I don't recall the run D being called the "best ever," but analysts did say it was statistically better than when Hampton started that year.

I'm less concerned about who starts because they both get playing time, although maybe he should get more. Not sure the snap distribution, but it does seem like Hoke gets to spell Hampton throughout the game, especially when the defense can't get off the field. If it keeps them both fresh, I'd be cool with them splitting the snaps right up the middle.

birtikidis
10-12-2011, 04:32 PM
I thought last years defense was considered one of the best ever.. not the one from 04... all 7 years ago of it.

steelblood
10-12-2011, 04:38 PM
Hoke still has good initial quickness for his age. Couple that with his lunch pail attitude, and he drives centers crazy.

hawaiiansteel
10-12-2011, 06:56 PM
WEDNESDAY, 12 OCTOBER 2011

WRITTEN BY ED BOUCHETTE

-- YOU: You pointed out the swim technique used by Chris Hoke last week. Is this a philosophical change by D!ck Lebeau/John Mitchell on how to handle the stretch play or is this something Hoke does/did? In other words should we expect Casey Hampton to apply a similar technique? If so does his body type allow him to be effective with that technique?

ME: It's my understanding that it was just something Hoke did.

http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/inde ... cksonville (http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/pro-sports/steelers/112463-ed-tomlin-hangs-up-on-jacksonville)

Shoe
10-12-2011, 08:44 PM
Someone brought up that 15-1 record last week in the chat... this is no coincidence. Of course, in the end, I defer to the coaches who watch the tape, watch practice daily... but in the end, 16-1 is 16-1. Especially considering with Hampton (over that time), we are very far from .95+ winning percentage. In fact, just going by that fact alone, I think it's clear we made a mistake re-signing Hamptom a year ago to a contract. His play is going to go downhilll quickly, while we could have just used Hoke, and drafted the young replacement.

birtikidis
10-12-2011, 08:51 PM
Someone brought up that 15-1 record last week in the chat... this is no coincidence. Of course, in the end, I defer to the coaches who watch the tape, watch practice daily... but in the end, 16-1 is 16-1. Especially considering with Hampton (over that time), we are very far from .95+ winning percentage. In fact, just going by that fact alone, I think it's clear we made a mistake re-signing Hamptom a year ago to a contract. His play is going to go downhilll quickly, while we could have just used Hoke, and drafted the young replacement.
Less than 63 yards per rushing a game last year
2 super bowl victories
3 super bowl appearances
top 10 rushing defenses year in and year out
one constant in 11 years
Casey Hampton

Captain Lemming
10-13-2011, 12:37 AM
Remember when I debated the contention that our dline was so great? You compared Smitty to Joe Greene.

People always said that if our dline wasn't so great our lbers would have no success.

I contend that the 3-4 does not require elite line talent.

Smitty and Casey are excellent players. They are not "great".

The contention is that you do no judge 3-4 linemen by stats. You do so by the overall effectiveness of the defense, since the "free up" other players. I recognize this role, but I contend that this task does not require elite talent.

Proof?

We have always been fine with Hokey instead of Casey.

Last year we had the best run d in franchise history with Smitty out for most of the season.

Last year

I started wondering if Hoke should start over Casey?

I remember in his extended playing time when Casey got hurt, the run D was its best ever.

Again, we got a lift against one of the best rushers in the game.

I think the value Hokie has is he's a little more athletic and nimble than Big Casey. And because of it, teams can't cut block him.

The problem with Hampton this year is everyone's cutting him and he's not able to adjust and stop it from happening. Why not?

If he can't answer that, it probably means Hokie deserves to see the field more.

And the Hokie being Hokie comment probably has to do with him being a mormon. Every mormon person I've ever know has this super spirit and character that sets them apart from everyone else. If I didn't think their religion was all whack, I'd convert so I could ooze that mega positive mojo those folks have. Except for the ones that marry a gaggle of 12 year olds and Mitt Romney. I've never met any of those mormons. But the rest that I have met are super cool people.

Chadman
10-13-2011, 12:46 AM
It's easy to look at a win loss record & suggest Hoke should start over Hampton. but Hampton has been the rock of winning seasons- not games.

Down be downplaying Hampton- the best NT the Steelers have had in 20+ years.

Pahn711
10-13-2011, 12:53 AM
It's easy to look at a win loss record & suggest Hoke should start over Hampton. but Hampton has been the rock of winning seasons- not games.

Down be downplaying Hampton- the best NT the Steelers have had in 20+ years.

I just think instead of starting, the better question to ask is if Hoke should get more snaps, and would be interested in knowing how many he does get on average subbing for Hampton.

hawaiiansteel
10-13-2011, 01:55 AM
Steelers Lounge

Posted on October 13, 2011 by ted

There is no doubt this squad missed Keisel over the two previous games and rookie first-round pick Cameron Heyward provided the type of pass rush the Steelers have long been missing from their 3-4 defensive ends even with they had dominant defenses. Heyward should remain the No. 3 defensive end even after Smith returns.

But the man who really played phenomenal was fireplug Chris Hoke. The Steelers are now 16-1 when this 35-year-old journeyman starts for an injured Hampton. Pittsburgh’s front office will no doubt be begging Hoke to return for another season in 2012 at the veteran’s minimum salary and fans should get used to a nose tackle duo of Hoke and Steve McLendon, because unfortunately Hampton will likely be the best of several solid Pittsburgh veterans not returning in 2012 since the Steelers will probably need to free $30-35 million in cap space from their current 2012 payroll before training camp.

http://www.steelerslounge.com/2011/10/2 ... -bad-road/ (http://www.steelerslounge.com/2011/10/2011-steelers-simply-great-home-bad-road/)

ikestops85
10-13-2011, 03:38 PM
Someone brought up that 15-1 record last week in the chat... this is no coincidence. Of course, in the end, I defer to the coaches who watch the tape, watch practice daily... but in the end, 16-1 is 16-1. Especially considering with Hampton (over that time), we are very far from .95+ winning percentage. In fact, just going by that fact alone, I think it's clear we made a mistake re-signing Hamptom a year ago to a contract. His play is going to go downhilll quickly, while we could have just used Hoke, and drafted the young replacement.

I don't know about saying we made a mistake signing Hampton a year ago. He played some of his best football ever last year. This year ... not so much ... yet.

I wouldn't be that quick to write off Big Snack just yet. The guy seems to have a lot of pride.

Shoe
10-13-2011, 10:03 PM
OK, so first off: I said that I don't have the complete picture that the coaches do in deciding who plays, and that I obviously defer to them. That being said (as I said earlier too), 16-1 is not just a coincidence. When the media used to harp on Polamalu's record when playing/when injured for example, they didn't account for the fact that (a prime) Aaron Smith happened to be gone during the same times (i.e. they didn't think that maybe that's an Aaron Smith record too).

But sticking to the Hampton issue, there really are no glaring extenuating circumtances. It's not easy to explain why we have basically been unbeatable with Hoke in the lineup vs. Hampton, in 17 games over the years. That means something.

I also stand by the comment about not signing Hampton to this last contract. At the time even, I was VERY reluctant, seeing him as a classic case of diminishing returns for a former star player (i.e. paying for reputation instead of production). To the notion that he had a great year last year and our D had a great year, I think he may have had a solid year considering. I don't think he was a difference-maker that we have seen from him in his prime. And I certainly think we can patchwork a Nose Tackle out of Chris Hoke and a younger guy (McLendon) that could reasonably replicate Hampton. And don't get me wrong: I like(d) Hampton. I thought he was a key player back in the early/mid 2000's.

birtikidis
10-13-2011, 11:59 PM
sorry. We have mainly been unbeatable because Ben is in the Lineup. If Maddox starts in '04 we don't go 15-0. we had Hines and Burress in their prime and a qb that other teams couldn't figure out ALL SEASON. If it were only because Hoke was so great, then Ben would have 1 super bowl ring (2004) and a couple more losses in the postseason.

Shoe
10-14-2011, 10:44 PM
sorry. We have mainly been unbeatable because Ben is in the Lineup. If Maddox starts in '04 we don't go 15-0. we had Hines and Burress in their prime and a qb that other teams couldn't figure out ALL SEASON. If it were only because Hoke was so great, then Ben would have 1 super bowl ring (2004) and a couple more losses in the postseason.

You're making a common mistake in taking it to the extreme, in trying to make your point. No one said that Hoke was the sole reason for the 16-1 record.

But can you explain it by saying it's just a coincidence? I can't.

birtikidis
10-14-2011, 11:47 PM
sorry. We have mainly been unbeatable because Ben is in the Lineup. If Maddox starts in '04 we don't go 15-0. we had Hines and Burress in their prime and a qb that other teams couldn't figure out ALL SEASON. If it were only because Hoke was so great, then Ben would have 1 super bowl ring (2004) and a couple more losses in the postseason.

You're making a common mistake in taking it to the extreme, in trying to make your point. No one said that Hoke was the sole reason for the 16-1 record.

But can you explain it by saying it's just a coincidence? I can't.
my point was that we had a couple of huge factors. Not coincidence. We had an all pro at LG a pro bowler at Center. Hines and Burress in the prime of their career. A defense that was peaking as a unit. There were a ton of factors. None of which was coincidence.

hawaiiansteel
10-16-2011, 12:19 AM
Chris Hoke

by CRAIG WOLFLEY on OCTOBER 13, 2011


One of the guys that punched in a teriffic gameday performance was Steelers NT Chris Hoke. I gabbed with Hokie after the game, and we started talking about the first play from scrimmage, when Chris Johnson laid a fast 21-yard gain on the Steelers.

“Bro, i was panicking!” Hokie said laughing, because he got cut while trying to get playside. but after that Hokie had no problems busting the backside “A” gap and getting down the line to his run-gap.

Chris Hoke reminds me of a junkyard dog. You can beat on him, but he comes back stronger and meaner. He never quits. Not to mention he delivers his own beat downs.

When the O-Line opponent breaks the huddle and looks over, there’s Hokie waiting on them at the line of scrimmage…snarling, salivating with body language that says “Come and get some…” play after play after play.

Think about it. Hokie is 17-1 as a starter. How many teams can go that deep into nosetackle land and find performance like Chris Hoke delivers whenever he’s called on?

Pretty special guy, if you ask me…

http://craigwolfley.com/2011/10/chris-hoke/