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Shoe
10-09-2011, 04:30 PM
I hope this is a wake-up call to players, coaches.

Players = there are guys behind you who are chomping at the bit for their opportunity

Coaches = don't be afraid to pull a guy

Look at the way Hoke played today. Look at Redman. etc. Guys like Harrison--they don't need reminders. Even guys like Aaron Smith (he's just not able anymore physically). But everyone else--I hope this wakes them up.

SteelAbility
10-09-2011, 04:49 PM
I'm convinced a lot of starting-player decisions are political where people are working hard to justify contracts/draft picks. The truth is that the guy who starts should be based on best-chance-to-win.

pittpete
10-09-2011, 04:52 PM
Be afraid Mendy.

Djfan
10-09-2011, 07:02 PM
Be afraid Mendy.


Next year, if we draft no other RBs, we have Redman, Dwyer, Batch and Moore. Why keep Mendy? He won't be cheap.

Adios Mendy. Thanks for the memories. Let's get some Mendy money on linemen worth the money.

feltdizz
10-09-2011, 07:10 PM
I've been saying it for weeks... Mend isn't seeing it. I'm not giving up on Mend because he has the ability to do it as well but if he can't get in gear he is going to be the odd man out.

Well, he should be the odd man out but our coaching staff won't sit him because of his draft status. I wonder if the off season Tweets will play a part in his future or lack there of...

hawaiiansteel
10-10-2011, 03:03 PM
Fill-ins embrace role in dominating victory

Monday, October 10, 2011
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


The Steelers did not look like themselves, not through the first quarter of the season the way they played, and certainly not Sunday with whom they played.

On Sunday, they weren't their normal selves because they played without James Harrison, Aaron Smith, Casey Hampton, Rashard Mendenhall, Chris Kemoeatu and more. Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger played, but he played with a metal plate in his oversized left shoe to protect a sprained foot. Against the Tennessee Titans Sunday, they played with an offensive line that was 80 percent different than the one that opened the season a month ago -- and then they began losing more linemen.

It was not a good day ... for Tennessee. The Steelers clubbed the Titans, 38-17, after running out to a 28-7 third-quarter lead. The defense that could not stop Ray Rice or Arian Foster, slammed 2,000-yard runner Chris Johnson, holding him to 51 yards on 14 carries -- 30 yards on his final 13 carries.

Roethlisberger threw five touchdown passes for the second time in his career, a Steelers record, and Jonathan Dwyer suited up for only his second game in his two seasons and ran for 107 yards on 11 carries, including one of the longest runs in team history, 76 yards. Hines Ward caught two touchdown passes for the first time in a game in two seasons. LaMarr Woodley came alive with an interception, the team's first, 11/2 sacks and two quarterback hurries.

And, no, the Steelers are not done. They climbed to 3-2 and, well, they looked like the Steelers for a change even if many of those were new faces looking back.

"We've always been like that," said Ward, who caught seven passes for 54 yards including touchdowns of 7 and 5 yards. "Last year, we didn't have our quarterback for the first four games and we found a way to come together."

They found more than one. They used Antonio Brown's 52-yard kickoff return to set up their first touchdown, an 8-yard pass to Heath Miller. They used a fake punt when Daniel Sepulveda passed for 33 yards to Ryan Mundy to set up their second score, Ward's 7-yard catch. And they turned Woodley's interception off a batted pass by Brett Keisel to start a drive that ended with Shaun Suisham's 19-yard field goal.

"It's a team thing," Woodley explained.

"We've always had guys around here who can play," James Farrior said of the backups.

The Steelers had only seven sacks and one turnover through four games. Matt Hasselbeck, sacked just four times this season, added three more, including rookie Cameron Heyward's first (he would have had a second but Hasselbeck threw the ball away for intentional grounding).

"Everybody was just in there doing their job, making sure they were staying in their gap and not trying to overdo it and make plays," Woodley explained as to how his defense could perform so well with three Pro Bowlers missing.

"We expect to play well," is how Steelers coach Mike Tomlin succinctly put it.

David Johnson also caught a 1-yard scoring pass from Roethlisberger and Mike Wallace caught the final one of 40 yards with 2:39 left. Roethlisberger and Wallace have hooked up on 10 touchdown passes of 40 yards or more, stretching their team record.

Rob Bironas kicked a 29-yard field goal to end the first series of the game for Tennessee's only lead at 3-0. Johnson scored on a 1-yard touchdown run late in the third quarter.

A blocked punt set up a late Titans touchdown, a 19-yard pass from Hasselbeck to Damian Williams with 3:30 to go.

The Steelers scored one touchdown in the first, two in the second, one in the third and one in the fourth to go with Suisham's field goal in the fourth.

Ward's second touchdown of the game came on third down and he leaped over safety Michael Griffin to get there, from 5 yards out, as if he were Troy Polamalu.

"He was very sharp with all his reads," Ward said of Roethlisberger, who completed 24 of 34 for 228 yards and one interception to go with his five touchdowns. "They played a lot of cover-2 and usually when teams play cover-2, we are supposed to be able to run the ball effectively, which we did. And it opened up things in the middle for Heath and me."

The Steelers had their best game running this season with 174 yards and a 6.2-yard average. Isaac Redman, who started for Mendenhall, had 49 yards on 15 carries.

"I'm not the only guy playing with an injury," said Roethlisberger, who was sacked once. "More impressively and more importantly is how guys have stepped up and filled in for people. I don't think I have enough time to name all the guys. There were so many."

They all helped the Steelers finally look like the Steelers.

"We've always been like that. Last year, we didn't have our quarterback for the first four games and we found a way to come together."

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Slapstick
10-10-2011, 03:09 PM
Mendenhall is, I believe, in the 4th year of his 5 year rookie contract...

If Chicago is at a contract impasse with Matt Forte after this year, I think that the Steelers might consider trading Chicago-native Mendenhall to his hometown team...

If Forte is not an option, they might go for it...

fezziwig
10-10-2011, 05:31 PM
I don't think we've seen Mendenhalls full potential yet and I don't know why, he is holding back.
To me Mendenhall is the more talented back of the crew but, he seems like he doesn't want to make contact.

NorthCoast
10-10-2011, 07:32 PM
Is it just me or are there an amazing number of injuries in the NFL this season? Could this be the new kinder, gentler NFL that won't force players to play injured? Another result from the Goodell regime. I remember the days of "if you can stand on two feet, you can play".

RuthlessBurgher
10-10-2011, 08:19 PM
Is it just me or are there an amazing number of injuries in the NFL this season? Could this be the new kinder, gentler NFL that won't force players to play injured? Another result from the Goodell regime. I remember the days of "if you can stand on two feet, you can play".

Lockout = No OTA's or minicamps = players not in football shape by the time camp rolls around = injuries galore.

Shoe
10-10-2011, 09:59 PM
I don't think we've seen Mendenhalls full potential yet and I don't know why, he is holding back.
To me Mendenhall is the more talented back of the crew but, he seems like he doesn't want to make contact.

I agree. I don't like the thought of letting a guy that has as much experience as he does, but is still as young as he is. But the fact is that RBs in this league now are a dime a dozen. Mendenhall has obvious gifts that Redman doesn't have (mainly speed), but if it's going to cost an arm and a leg to keep him (i.e. look at CJ2K in Tennessee), I think it's a no-brainer.

Shawn
10-11-2011, 12:42 PM
It's hard to believe what I am reading. If Redman or Dwyer were better running backs they would be starting. Let me get this straight...many people at the beginning of this season were ready to cut Dwyer calling him a bust. I was not one of those people. I believe the guy has talent. But, one game doesn't make a back. I'm certainly not going to make any rash judgments based upon one game. That is just silly. Redman averaged 3.3 yards per carry last game. 15 carries for less than 50 yards isn't exactly burning it up.

Mendenhally has ran for over 1100 yards both full time seasons...and he has done so with some very questionable OL's. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and more than 3 games to lose his job.

feltdizz
10-11-2011, 01:02 PM
It's hard to believe what I am reading. If Redman or Dwyer were better running backs they would be starting. Let me get this straight...many people at the beginning of this season were ready to cut Dwyer calling him a bust. I was not one of those people. I believe the guy has talent. But, one game doesn't make a back. I'm certainly not going to make any rash judgments based upon one game. That is just silly. Redman averaged 3.3 yards per carry last game. 15 carries for less than 50 yards isn't exactly burning it up.

Mendenhally has ran for over 1100 yards both full time seasons...and he has done so with some very questionable OL's. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and more than 3 games to lose his job.

I think most people can admit Mendenhall has the most talent of all 3 but that doesn't mean he is the best RB for our team.

If he continues to miss the hole and dance he won't be around... well, he shouldn't be around but his draft status will save him.

One game doesn't make a back but I think we all watched Redman enough to know he gets tough yards that move the chain. I would love to have Redman get 3.3 yards and keep things managable for us on 3rd down with Dwyer busting long runs every now and then.

Right now Mend isn't getting the job done and it's really disappointing given his post season last year. Mend has to produce to keep his job and the way we run RB's into the ground one needs to wonder if this is as good as Mend is going to be...

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
10-11-2011, 01:26 PM
You shouldn't lose your job to injury.........

why not?

If the backup comes in and performs at a higher level than the starter does when healthy then I say lose the job.

steeler_george
10-11-2011, 01:35 PM
It's hard to believe what I am reading. If Redman or Dwyer were better running backs they would be starting. Let me get this straight...many people at the beginning of this season were ready to cut Dwyer calling him a bust. I was not one of those people. I believe the guy has talent. But, one game doesn't make a back. I'm certainly not going to make any rash judgments based upon one game. That is just silly. Redman averaged 3.3 yards per carry last game. 15 carries for less than 50 yards isn't exactly burning it up.

Mendenhally has ran for over 1100 yards both full time seasons...and he has done so with some very questionable OL's. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and more than 3 games to lose his job.

:Agree

RuthlessBurgher
10-11-2011, 01:48 PM
Mendenhall still should be the top back when healthy. Redman may be better at north-south pile-moving runs in which he falls forward for an additional few yards, but Mendenhall is still better than Red Zone at pretty much everything else. Most complete back we have.

Redman has earned the right to receive more carries even when Mendenhall is healthy, which would also serve to prevent the wheels from falling off another back. Not an equal timeshare, but I could see Redman getting 8-12 touches to Mendenhall's 20 or so.

Moore is in his last year with the Steelers. Baron Batch will take over that role next year.

Dwyer is still a work in progress. That 76 yard run was the result of a gaping hole by the OL moreso than any kind of individual accomplishment by the runner (Mendenhall would have taken that to the house instead of getting caught from behind). He'll still be inactive more often than not when the other backs are healthy.

fezziwig
10-11-2011, 02:00 PM
I don't think a guy should lose his job to injury.

What if a player is hurt and keeps his mouth shut in fear that if he does need to sit out he might not see the field again and with that, he may cause more harm to his injury and really be out for a long time.

I think Mendenhall needs some coaching tips or have the coaches define how they would like him to hit the hole or what have you. I still believe he is the better back but, Redman should be the guy to get the scrap yards if needed. To me Mendenhall just doesn't want to or have it in him on trying to be the pile mover. With that comment, does that telegraph our plans on offense when Redman comes into the game.
In any event, it's a nice problem to have with the talented group of runningbacks.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
10-11-2011, 07:13 PM
I don't think a guy should lose his job to injury.

What about a guy like McFadden? His hold on the starting spot was tenuous at best and he has been outperformed by his replacements. Not to mention, the pass D is in a real groove right now and there is no reason to mess with that.

fezziwig
10-11-2011, 07:43 PM
To me it's different with McFadden because he has been injured so much or for so long I, don't even think of him as a starter any longer.

I honestly forget how McFadden played when he was healthy. I guess he must have been good enough when we won the Super Bowl but, I kind of give that credit to Woodley and Harrison. Those two were disrupting the QB so much it had to make the corners better.

feltdizz
10-11-2011, 08:37 PM
You shouldn't lose your job to injury when you are playing well but when you are not performing well why should you automatically get your job back if the team benefits inyour absence?

I don't think should lose his job but his touches should be reduced.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
10-11-2011, 10:17 PM
I'm just not a big fan of the notion that you can't lose your starting job due to injury. Obviously a guy like Ben, Troy, or Harrison would not lose their job because they are at the top of their position. It is unlikely that they their top standard would be out performed.

We are always begging for open competition in training camp for most positions, we always want our players to play hungry, as if someone is coming after their job, but suddenly a player goes down and gets hurt we get a timeout?

I would not do it to my star players but that is mostly because I don't think that it would happen, but injury or not I put the players on the field who give me the best chance to win each week regardless of who just missed time due to injury.

hawaiiansteel
10-11-2011, 10:22 PM
I'm just not a big fan of the notion that you can't lose your starting job due to injury.

I would put the players on the field who give me the best chance to win each week regardless of who just missed time due to injury.


:Agree

steelcurtain44
10-12-2011, 10:27 AM
You shouldn't lose your job to injury when you are playing well but when you are not performing well why should you automatically get your job back if the team benefits inyour absence?

I don't think should lose his job but his touches should be reduced.

I completely agree here. McFadden should not see the field unless one of the other DBs get hurt. Another person I think should stay on the bench is Kemo. If any of you seriously watch the OL play, notice that Kemo messes up all of the blocking schemes, because on most cases, he's not blocking anyone, because he gets lost, in knowing who to pick up in certain blitz schemes.

When he does that, it in turns messes up the other blockers, because they end up on 2 guys, and can only block one. And there always end up being DL running free. Kemo is not a bright guy, when it comes to picking up defense schemes. Eliminate him on one side, and that line will be much better, as Scott will also go back to the bench, if the rookie can somehow stop injuring that shoulder.