Did anyone see Michael Vick's press conference ?

[insanesteelersfan]

.....He was whining about NOT getting the same protection that..." OTHER " NFL QB's are getting. Responding about him taking all these hits in the pocket, and his broken hand. So when asked why he isn't getting the same treatment as " Other " NFL QB's, Vick responded with, you know why !


What is he refering to ?...Because he killed Dogs in the past ?, Because he is Black ?..what ? Regardless, it was a stupid thing to say. Probably said it more out of frustration for his breaking his hand then anything else. Cause if Vick really wants to see a QB who doesn't get ANY respect...he needs to look towards Western PA!!




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[MaxAMillion]

No, he is talking about the refs not giving him the same treatment in the pocket as guys like Brady get. It is the same thing Steelers fans whine about with Roethlisberger.

[insanesteelersfan]

No, he is talking about the refs not giving him the same treatment in the pocket as guys like Brady get. It is the same thing Steelers fans whine about with Roethlisberger.



But Vick didn't take any Illegal hits. There was one borderline hit that was too close to call. And the other BIG HIT Vick took was a Legal one, after the ball was tipped by the defender. Vick might be on the ground alot after passes, but it's because the Eagles OL either gives up too much Immediate pressure, or because Vick himself is moving around too much, and gets thrown down right as he is throwing the ball. Oh BTW, NOT Illegal. Oh and it probably doesn't help that Vick is SHORTER & LIGHTER in weight then Angelina Jollie is right now!! ( And that's the truth to ) :lol: :lol: :lol:

[pittpete]

Probably said it more out of frustration for his breaking his hand then anything else. Cause if Vick really wants to see a QB who doesn't get ANY respect...he needs to look towards Western PA!!

Id have to agree with this statement(Wow a first time for everything :Clap )


It is the same thing Steelers fans whine about with Roethlisberger
Is it really whining or just expecting the refs to call a fair game on all playing fields?

[pittpete]

And the other BIG HIT Vick took was a Legal one, after the ball was tipped by the defender

I saw that play and wondered didnt they implement a new rule that QB's couldnt be blocked on returns?

[hawaiiansteel]

the Eagles have complained about this issue before:

Are Officials Not Protecting Michael Vick?

By TONI MONKOVIC
December 17, 2010


In the last few weeks, Eagles Coach Andy Reid has been complaining that Michael Vick is not receiving equal treatment from officials on late/illegal hits.

The Philadelphia Inquirer:

“It bothers me,” Reid said when a reporter asked about some of the big shots Vick has absorbed. “He does run, but he’s still the quarterback . . . you can’t treat him like he’s a running back there. That’s not what the rules state.”

Vick said on WIP: “Every time I get hit, I look up at the ref and I see no flag. And I see other quarterbacks standing in the pocket — the minute they get touched there’s a flag on the field.”

Gregg Easterbrook, in his Tuesday Morning Quarterback for ESPN, said it was “indisputable” that Vick had been treated unfairly.

He had a provocative explanation:

It’s not just that officials regard Vick as a runner even when he’s in a passing stance — penalties should be called if defenders hit the knees or helmets of players in a passing stance. TMQ thinks there is a psychological factor, too. Vick is an African-American who has been to prison. Society devalues people of that description, and allows them to be treated in ways that others are not. This is subtly different from racism, but a factor nonetheless.

Vick and Reid are using a bit of gamesmanship here, the same way Lakers coach Phil Jackson does when he complains about fouls just before a playoff game. Reid and Vick are speaking publicly so that the refs go into the next game LOOKING for illegal hits on the quarterback, so that they throw more flags. The problem is that Vick has brought this issue on himself. Again, he never slides, which is remarkably dumb, not only because it subjects Vick to unnecessary injuries, but because it also has a way of influencing the referees.

Extra point: Is Vick being treated differently than, say, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? As a quarterback who is always a threat to run, should he be?

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010 ... hael-vick/ (http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/17/are-officials-not-protecting-michael-vick/)

[insanesteelersfan]

the Eagles have complained about this issue before:

Are Officials Not Protecting Michael Vick?

By TONI MONKOVIC
December 17, 2010


In the last few weeks, Eagles Coach Andy Reid has been complaining that Michael Vick is not receiving equal treatment from officials on late/illegal hits.

The Philadelphia Inquirer:

“It bothers me,” Reid said when a reporter asked about some of the big shots Vick has absorbed. “He does run, but he’s still the quarterback . . . you can’t treat him like he’s a running back there. That’s not what the rules state.”

Vick said on WIP: “Every time I get hit, I look up at the ref and I see no flag. And I see other quarterbacks standing in the pocket — the minute they get touched there’s a flag on the field.”

Gregg Easterbrook, in his Tuesday Morning Quarterback for ESPN, said it was “indisputable” that Vick had been treated unfairly.

He had a provocative explanation:

It’s not just that officials regard Vick as a runner even when he’s in a passing stance — penalties should be called if defenders hit the knees or helmets of players in a passing stance. TMQ thinks there is a psychological factor, too. Vick is an African-American who has been to prison. Society devalues people of that description, and allows them to be treated in ways that others are not. This is subtly different from racism, but a factor nonetheless.

Vick and Reid are using a bit of gamesmanship here, the same way Lakers coach Phil Jackson does when he complains about fouls just before a playoff game. Reid and Vick are speaking publicly so that the refs go into the next game LOOKING for illegal hits on the quarterback, so that they throw more flags. The problem is that Vick has brought this issue on himself. Again, he never slides, which is remarkably dumb, not only because it subjects Vick to unnecessary injuries, but because it also has a way of influencing the referees.

Extra point: Is Vick being treated differently than, say, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? As a quarterback who is always a threat to run, should he be?

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010 ... hael-vick/ (http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/17/are-officials-not-protecting-michael-vick/)


" Second verse, same as the first " :D Thanks Hawaiian!

[hawaiiansteel]

Michael Vick rips into refs after broken hand vs. Giants

By MJD
Sun Sep 25

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Michael Vick sat on the bench as his Eagles were locked in a competitive game with the New York Giants. According Fox's Daryl "Moose" Johnston, Vick's right (non-throwing) hand is broken.

Mike Kafka replaced Vick in the game, despite Vince Young being dressed this week, too.

This isn't what Vick needed. He struggled to get ready this week with a concussion, and while that condition doesn't appear to be aggravated, he doesn't need the additional troubles of a broken hand.

Vick was battered throughout the game, and he's been frustrated since last year that the referee protections extended to quarterbacks like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Ben Roethlisberger aren't extended to him. Basically, the refs see Vick as a runner sooner than those other quarterbacks, hits on him aren't as easily flagged, and it's generally open season on the Eagles quarterback.

In his post-game press donference, Vick let the zebras have it.

"I was trying to protect myself," Vick said . "Still didn't get a flag and that's pretty much been the story for the last three weeks. I mean, obviously at some point something catastrophic is going to happen and I broke my hand.

"Looking at the replays, I'm on the ground every time, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't frustrated," Vick continued. "The refs have got to do their jobs. And I mentioned it to the refs in training camp when I talked to them. I'm on the ground constantly, all the time. Every time I throw the ball, I'm on the ground. And I don't know why I don't get the 15-yard flags like everybody else does."

Eagles head coach Andy Reid addressed the sitution last season.

"It bothers me, to be honest with you," Reid said last December. "That bothers me. I see the same thing you're seeing and it bothers me. He does run, but he's still the quarterback and you can't treat him like he's a running back there. That's not what the rules state."

Again, it's his non-throwing hand. That's the good news. The bad news is that the Eagles offensive line performed today like uniformed pylons, and Vick spent much of the game trying to keep New York Giants from swallowing him whole. If it wasn't the hand, sooner or later, it was going to be something.

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[fordfixer]

Controversial calls from Week 3
Mike Pereira reviews the controversial calls from Week 3
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Mike ... yst-092511 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Mike-Pereira-NFL-Week-3-controversial-calls-rules-analyst-092511)

Updated Sep 25, 2011 11:12 PM ET

Michael Vick is really good at what he does on a football field.

What he isn’t so good at is being an official.

After suffering a concussion in a Week 2 loss to Atlanta, Vick returned in Week 3 against the New York Giants only to suffer yet another loss — along with a broken right (non-throwing) hand in the fourth quarter.

In his press conference following the 29-16 defeat, Vick said he wasn’t happy with the officiating, citing a hit by the Giants’ Chris Canty, as well as others.

"I felt I got hit late. No flag," Vick said. "At some point something catastrophic is gonna happen. Not to blame the refs, but more precautions should be taken."

Not to blame the refs? Hmmm, that’s not what it sounds like to me. And if that wasn’t enough, there’s more.

"Every time I throw the ball, I'm on the ground," Vick said. "I get hit in the head. I don't know why I don't get the 15-yard flag like everybody else does. I'm not trying to blame the refs. I just want them to take notice."

Doesn’t get the flags like everybody else? That’s bull.

The rules are no different for Michael Vick than they are for anybody else. These complaints are not new. Vick — and the Eagles — have complained ever since he returned to the NFL in 2009.

He is a talented, scrambling quarterback. In fact, there isn’t another quarterback like him. He’s constantly on the move and he is going to end up on the ground sometimes. But just because he’s on the ground, it does not mean he was hit late.

The officials have a tough enough job as it is, being second-guessed all the time. The last thing they need is unwarranted criticism.

Let’s take a look at some of the other interesting plays from Sunday.

THE GAME: San Francisco at Cincinnati

THE SITUATION: San Francisco had the ball, second-and-13 at the 49ers’ 10-yard line with 10:19 left in the second quarter. Cincinnati led 3-0.

THE PLAY: 49ers quarterback Alex Smith took the ball in the shotgun formation and ran the ball to the 49ers’ 15-yard line for five yards and was tackled and hit in the helmet by Cincinnati’s Nate Clements. There was a foul on the play, but not for hitting the quarterback.

MY TAKE: One of the most misunderstood rules in the NFL deals with helmet-to-helmet contact. The main thing to remember is that a runner is not one of the defenseless players.

There are eight defenseless players: passer, receiver of a pass, receiver of a kick, a runner on the ground after a play, a runner whose forward progress has been stopped, a quarterback after a change of possession, a kicker during a kick and a player who is blindside blocked.

Those eight players cannot be hit helmet-to-helmet or in the head or neck area by a helmet, shoulder or forearm.

Any other player, including the runner, can be hit helmet-to-helmet legally, unless it is late and after the whistle has been blown.

THE GAME: New York Giants at Philadelphia

THE SITUATION: The Giants had the ball, second-and-8 at the Philadelphia 28-yard line with 8:07 left in the fourth quarter. Philadelphia led 13-10.

THE PLAY: Giants quarterback Eli Manning completed a 28-yard pass to Victor Cruz that was called a touchdown on the field. The replay assistant challenged the pass completion ruling because as Cruz crossed the goal-line, the ball comes out as he was being pushed to the ground. The ruling was upheld and the Giants were awarded a touchdown.

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MY TAKE: Every time you see one of these you think about the process of completing the catch when going to the ground. The ball did come loose, but the difference between this and the Lions’ Calvin Johnson play from last year is that Cruz was not going to the ground to complete the catch.

He clearly got both feet down upright, and then was slung into the end zone by the defender. He, therefore, had become a runner and the ball was dead when he broke the plane and the touchdown was confirmed.

THE GAME: New England at Buffalo

THE SITUATION: Buffalo had the ball, first-and-10 from the New England 39-yard line with 1:43 left in the game. The score was tied at 31.

THE PLAY: Buffalo quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick completed a 39-yard pass to Fred Jackson that was ruled a touchdown on the field. The replay assistant challenged the runner-broke-the-plane ruling, because it appeared Jackson’s knee hit down before he crossed the goal-line. After a review, the call was reversed and the ball was placed at the New England 1-yard line.

MY TAKE: This reversal was very interesting because it took away a touchdown from Buffalo, but the Bills actually benefited because the call left the ball at the 1-yard line and the Bills were allowed to run the clock down.

Had the ruling of a touchdown stood, New England would have gotten the ball back down by seven with about 1:43 left. And with Tom Brady at quarterback, anything would have been possible. Instead, the Patriots were forced to use all of their timeouts and the Bills ended up kicking the winning field goal on the last play of the game.

During this sequence, Buffalo was called for a false start, which normally carries a 10-second runoff. However, New England had the option to accept the penalty yardage, but declined the runoff since they wanted time left on the clock. It’s not often you see a team that has a touchdown taken away benefit from the ruling.

THE GAME: Green Bay at Chicago

THE SITUATION: Green Bay had the ball, first-and-10 at the Green Bay 40-yard line with 11:56 left in the fourth quarter. Green Bay led 27-10.

THE PLAY: Green Bay’s James Starks carried the ball around left end to Green Bay 35-yard line for a loss of five yards, then fumbled. It was recovered by Chicago’s Julius Peppers at the Green Bay 32. Green Bay challenged the loose ball recovery ruling, and the play was upheld.

MY TAKE: This was a big play, but one that you couldn’t prove either way. The overriding factor was that you never could conclusively prove when Peppers got control of the ball. You had to piece two shots together.

One shot showed Peppers sliding out of bounds and the second shot showed the ball loose and then disappear into his body. If I had to guess, I would say that he was probably out of bounds when he got control. However, the ruling on the field that he recovered inbounds and you can’t change that based on what you think. You can only change it based on what you can prove.

This is another one of those plays that replay would not have changed, no matter which way it was called on the field.

THE GAME: Arizona at Seattle

THE SITUATION: Arizona had the ball, second-and6 at the Arizona 34-yard line with 10:01 left in the first quarter. There was no score.

THE PLAY: Arizona quarterback Kevin Kolb’s pass intended for Andre Roberts was intercepted by Earl Thomas at the Seattle 43-yard line. Seattle was called for two penalties on the return, one for illegal contact and one for unnecessary roughness on Seattle’s Kam Chancellor for a blindside hit to Arizona’s Todd Heap.

MY TAKE: A lot of questions as to why this was a foul. Let’s go back to the discussion about defenseless players. A player cannot be blocked from the side or behind by an opponent who is heading towards his own end line. That is called a blindside block because the player that is blocked never sees it coming. Therefore, that player cannot be hit helmet-to-helmet, nor can he be hit in the head or neck area with the helmet, shoulder or forearm.

Chancellor launched into this high hit, and the foul that was called was exactly what the ownership wanted when they made this player defenseless. I know people didn’t like this call, but again, the emphasis is on trying to prevent concussions with unnecessary contact to the head or neck area.

[Steel Life]

No, he is talking about the refs not giving him the same treatment in the pocket as guys like Brady get. It is the same thing Steelers fans whine about with Roethlisberger.
On the money...mobile guys always get the short end of the stick with these kind of calls.

[insanesteelersfan]

" BREAKING NEWS "



Eagles | Michael Vick doesn't have broken hand .



Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid said Monday, Sept. 26, that tests showed that QB Michael Vick (hand) does not have a fractured right hand. Instead, he appears to be dealing with swelling from a contusion. Reid said Vick will be monitored over the next several days but the swelling has to come down before he will be cleared.

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So, ALL of Vick's Whining was over a " Contusion ? " And for that, he had to come out of the game yesterday ?...Ah, can anyone say...." WIMP ? " :2c

[LouSteel]

Mobile QBs get less protection than pocket passers. I guess the refs see them as tougher, and the hits as being all part of their game.

Vick's absolutely right. Hit Brady or Rogers the way Vick or BB gets hit and watch the flags start flying.

Total inconsistency in officiating. Both mobile QBs and statues should get the same flags. One position, one standard.

I just happen to think the standards that should be applied to QBs should be the same as what are applied to offensive linemen :Steel

[fezziwig]

Vick and or the eagles have complained about this before. I obviously don't watch all the Eagles game so I can't say that it's true or not. I think Vick just wants the Brady treatment. I could care less if he get's his butt kicked on every play or even walking to the locker room at half time.
If he doesn't like getting millions of dollars and not handeling some some smack downs after a pass, he should just shut his mouth and be thankful he isn't one of his dogs. His dogs never asked to be in the position he had placed them in for his own sick fun.
Vick could die on the field and I could care less.

[feltdizz]

Vick and or the eagles have complained about this before. I obviously don't watch all the Eagles game so I can't say that it's true or not. I think Vick just wants the Brady treatment. I could care less if he get's his butt kicked on every play or even walking to the locker room at half time.
If he doesn't like getting millions of dollars and not handeling some some smack downs after a pass, he should just shut his mouth and be thankful he isn't one of his dogs. His dogs never asked to be in the position he had placed them in for his own sick fun.
Vick could die on the field and I could care less.

this isn't about the dogs it's about the officiating and he has a point. Ben is in the same corner as Vick when it comes to the lack of flags.

One position, one rule.

[fezziwig]

I know it isn't about the dogs and your right, Ben gets treated pretty poorly when it comes to him getting the extra hits or what have you.
I just have nothing good to say about a person that tortures animals and I could care less about the suffering he feels he's receiving.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Vick and or the eagles have complained about this before. I obviously don't watch all the Eagles game so I can't say that it's true or not. I think Vick just wants the Brady treatment. I could care less if he get's his butt kicked on every play or even walking to the locker room at half time.
If he doesn't like getting millions of dollars and not handeling some some smack downs after a pass, he should just shut his mouth and be thankful he isn't one of his dogs. His dogs never asked to be in the position he had placed them in for his own sick fun.
Vick could die on the field and I could care less.

this isn't about the dogs it's about the officiating and he has a point. Ben is in the same corner as Vick when it comes to the lack of flags.

One position, one rule.

When feltdizz and fezziwig get into a discussion, I tend to get all discombobulated with the FE's and double ZZ's going back and forth. It's not as bad as justplainnasty and JUST-PLAIN-NASTY, but still confuses my little brain. :wink:

[fezziwig]

So we're the Z men ? :)