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steelerkeylargo
09-18-2011, 02:31 PM
It's his first start so he gets a pass but the guy can't sustain or finish a block to save his (or Ben's) life.

StarSpangledSteeler
09-18-2011, 02:39 PM
I've got to give him a semi-pass so far. This is his first start at RT. He doesn't know the playbook very vell yet. His mind is swirling. I'm not excusing the technique flaws. I'd like to see him lock his hands on the pads/jersey but it's not like he sucks on EVERY play. He's done adequate on a lot of the snaps I've been watching. And no penalties. The Pouncey's of the NFL (who dominate from day one) are very rare.

Having said all that... i still would've drafted Sherrod. Ha.

flippy
09-18-2011, 05:43 PM
Gilbert nearly got Ben killed a couple times. But I give him a pass on some mental mistakes at this point. Seems quick, but lacks power. Maybe that will come once he knows what he's doing.

Eddie Spaghetti
09-18-2011, 05:48 PM
he did ok for his first NFL start.

you don't like the guy.

we get it.

insanesteelersfan
09-18-2011, 05:53 PM
Gilbert has never had the mindset, or strength to play O-Line on the Pro level. Not even Pouncey said anything positvie about him heading into the draft really...what does that tell you ? He might be a average In-space blocker, but he has no power at all to drive Block, or take on a Bull Rusher....too weak. Likes to eat, and avoids lifting weights like the Bubonic Plague :lol:

Eddie Spaghetti
09-18-2011, 05:56 PM
Gilbert has never had the mindset, or strength to play O-Line on the Pro level. Not even Pouncey said anything positvie about him heading into the draft really...what does that tell you ? He might be a average In-space blocker, but he has no power at all to drive Block, or take on a Bull Rusher....too weak. Likes to eat, and avoids lifting weights like the Bubonic Plague :lol:

do you always talk out of your backside?

it has been stated numerous times that pouncey was a big fan of the pick.

hawaiiansteel
09-18-2011, 05:59 PM
Gilbert has never had the mindset, or strength to play O-Line on the Pro level. Not even Pouncey said anything positvie about him heading into the draft really...what does that tell you ?


not according to our OL coach Sean Kugler:


Steelers C Maurkice Pouncey Instrumental In Selection Of OT Marcus Gilbert

Posted By: 86WARD 04-29-2011

http://gridironfans.com/forums/attachments/latest-nfl-headlines/20549d1304129459t-steelers-c-maurkice-pouncey-instrumental-selection-ot-1_maurkice_pouncey.gif

Steelers offensive line coach Sean Kugler said center Maurkice Pouncey was a big advocate of drafting both former Florida teammates Mike Pouncey, his twin, and Marcus Gilbert, whom the Steelers did take in Round 2. "I'll take his advice because I respect the kid as a player, and he'll give you the right advice," Kugler said.

Source: CBSSports.com

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pittpete
09-18-2011, 06:07 PM
do you always talk out of your backside?

Yes, he always talks like a moron.
Its in your best interest to just skip over anything he says.... :wink:

Steelhere10
09-18-2011, 06:32 PM
Well he looked twice better than Legurscky, he was constantly getting Ben and Rashard killed.

Ghost
09-18-2011, 06:33 PM
On the one sack it looked as if Gilbert started to move forward and then decides to step back and grab the guy coming around the end. By then it was too late. Not sure if he should have been moving to get the guy from the start or if he realized they guy was coming and tried to help and that's why it looked like it was his responsibility.

Anyone who thinks Pouncey had nothing good to say about him is a total moron. The scouting reports coming out of UF are the exact opposite of what insane says (but then he's a complete simpleton).

DukieBoy
09-18-2011, 06:39 PM
Gilbert has never had the mindset, or strength to play O-Line on the Pro level. Not even Pouncey said anything positvie about him heading into the draft really...what does that tell you ?


not according to our OL coach Sean Kugler:


Steelers C Maurkice Pouncey Instrumental In Selection Of OT Marcus Gilbert

Posted By: 86WARD 04-29-2011

http://gridironfans.com/forums/attachments/latest-nfl-headlines/20549d1304129459t-steelers-c-maurkice-pouncey-instrumental-selection-ot-1_maurkice_pouncey.gif

Steelers offensive line coach Sean Kugler said center Maurkice Pouncey was a big advocate of drafting both former Florida teammates Mike Pouncey, his twin, and Marcus Gilbert, whom the Steelers did take in Round 2. "I'll take his advice because I respect the kid as a player, and he'll give you the right advice," Kugler said.

Source: CBSSports.com

http://gridironfans.com/forums/latest-n ... on-ot.html (http://gridironfans.com/forums/latest-nfl-headlines/155232-steelers-c-maurkice-pouncey-instrumental-selection-ot.html)

A little reality check here, Insane one. Go with the reality. It works pretty well.

MaxAMillion
09-18-2011, 07:34 PM
I actually think he has some potential as a RT. He needs a lot of work, but I think there is some potential there. Bottom line is we have one of the worst OL in the NFL again this year. I just don't understand how the team is willing to put Ben behind such a mediocre OL.

Chadman
09-18-2011, 07:36 PM
Gotta love it when someone makes a moronic statement like the Pouncey not having Gilbert's cheerleading card on draft day, only to have their stupidity revealed within minutes.

fezziwig
09-18-2011, 07:58 PM
I'll give him a pass today and I guess Legursky too. Johnson and Legursky both missed blocks today. To me, Johnson is not a starter.

Eddie Spaghetti
09-18-2011, 08:00 PM
why the hell does legursky deserve a pass?

just go back to foster already.

fezziwig
09-18-2011, 08:09 PM
why the hell does legursky deserve a pass?

just go back to foster already.

I just figure it's his second game as a starter and he is working next to a rookie. Your right though, he probably doesn't deserve the pass.

What gets me the Steelers/coaches messed around with Hill for so long and he is no longer on the team and the guy that replaced him or even the backups are so under par that, it is obvious this team does not hold in high regards that offensive linemen are of value. Or they just don't know what to look for in an offensive lineman. Maybe a little of both.

Oviedo
09-18-2011, 08:20 PM
he did ok for his first NFL start.

you don't like the guy.

we get it.

I agree. Seattle's DL is actually pretty good.

He has a lot of assignments to learn and was probably over thinking a bit.

steelerkeylargo
09-18-2011, 08:26 PM
It's one thing to miss a block, an assignment or not know where your blitz pick ups are supposed to be. It is completely different to not show leg drive in the run game, finish a block, and show inadequate lateral ability. The bottom line is the guy lacks attitude and want to....half of what makes up a successful lineman. Yes he is a rookie ....and if he doesn't develop some toughness and agrees ion he won't see a second NFL contract. :HeadBanger

fezziwig
09-18-2011, 08:31 PM
If this Gilbert doesn't pan out, who next ?

JAR
09-18-2011, 08:36 PM
Gilbert has never had the mindset, or strength to play O-Line on the Pro level. Not even Pouncey said anything positvie about him heading into the draft really...what does that tell you ? He might be a average In-space blocker, but he has no power at all to drive Block, or take on a Bull Rusher....too weak. Likes to eat, and avoids lifting weights like the Bubonic Plague :lol:

do you always talk out of your backside?

it has been stated numerous times that pouncey was a big fan of the pick.

Maybe insane is kaopectate? Sounds like him. :lol:

NJ-STEELER
09-18-2011, 09:14 PM
just with his size, foster might be able to slow down Ngata a bit

Djfan
09-18-2011, 11:16 PM
Gilbert has never had the mindset, or strength to play O-Line on the Pro level. Not even Pouncey said anything positvie about him heading into the draft really...what does that tell you ? He might be a average In-space blocker, but he has no power at all to drive Block, or take on a Bull Rusher....too weak. Likes to eat, and avoids lifting weights like the Bubonic Plague :lol:

do you always talk out of your backside?

it has been stated numerous times that pouncey was a big fan of the pick.

Maybe insane is kaopectate? Sounds like him. :lol:

Who just got insulted more?

hawaiiansteel
09-18-2011, 11:48 PM
Maybe insane is kaopectate? Sounds like him. :lol:

Who just got insulted more?


insane did.
kaopectate is probably the most annoying poster I've ever come across on any message board. :loser

grotonsteel
09-19-2011, 12:57 AM
kaopectate is probably the most annoying poster I've ever come across on any message board. :loser


:Agree

hawaiiansteel
09-19-2011, 03:08 AM
Gilbert's first start

A new starter on the OL was rookie Marcus Gilbert, who replaced Willie Colon at right tackle. Colon tore his triceps in the season-opening loss in Baltimore and will not play again this season.

Gilbert, the team's second-round draft pick who showed up for training camp overweight, missed an assignment on the opening series that led to a Roethlisberger sack on second-and-goal at the Seattle 1, but rebounded for a solid debut.

Gilbert said he settled down after the first series.

"I was too pumped up," said the 6-foot-6, 330-pounder from the University of Florida. "I couldn't believe I was out there running with the 'ones'. It was the best feeling ever. To get my first start in the second game of the season as a rookie ... it went pretty well."

Tight end Heath Miller, who lines up next to Gilbert on many plays, was impressed.

"To step in the second game as a rookie, I thought he played great," Miller said. "Obviously, the tape will tell the story, but it seemed like we didn't miss a beat with him in there."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11262/1175827-66-0.stm

steelblood
09-19-2011, 07:29 AM
It was an uneven performance at best. But, he is a rookie. So far, I like him as a LT better. I agree with SKL that his leg drive is weak right now. But, he was playing against a strong DE for much of the night. That LDE was huge. I disagree that he doesn't possess enough lateral agility to play tackle. I think he does and he has a huge frame and decent athleticism to help steer pass rushers past the QB. I don't know if he'll make it or not. But, one silver lining to Colon's injury is that we will know if Gilbert is NFL material by the end of the season.

Dee Dub
09-19-2011, 12:33 PM
he did ok for his first NFL start.

you don't like the guy.

we get it.

Yep!! Eddie you hit the nail right on the head. SKL has to justify his criticism of Gilbert.

I think Gilbert was pretty good yesterday. You can't expect an O-lineman to sustain his block for 5, 6, or 7 seconds all the time. What I saw of him in his initial set-up was impressive. Gilbert has quick feet and I believe he is already the best pass blocking tackle the Steelers have. He has the potential to be a better than average tackle. Give him some time.

Dee Dub
09-19-2011, 12:41 PM
It's one thing to miss a block, an assignment or not know where your blitz pick ups are supposed to be. It is completely different to not show leg drive in the run game, finish a block, and show inadequate lateral ability. The bottom line is the guy lacks attitude and want to....half of what makes up a successful lineman. Yes he is a rookie ....and if he doesn't develop some toughness and agrees ion he won't see a second NFL contract. :HeadBanger

SKL, everyone knew that run blocking wasnt Gilbert's strength...especially the Steelers brass. He was drafted because of his ability to pass block...which has been a huge Achilles heal for this team the past several years. It was widely known that Gilbert would need to get stronger for run blocking. However the Steelers saw enough in his ability to pass block to take that risk. So far I see it is paying off.

Stewie
09-19-2011, 01:42 PM
It's his first start so he gets a pass but the guy can't sustain or finish a block to save his (or Ben's) life.

I don't know what game that you watched. In the one that I watched, Gilbert did just fine, and the coach agrees with me.

Re: Marcus Gilbert’s play:
[Tomlin] It was above-the-line, a winning effort. I thought we had some movement there in the first half, running the football on his side. I thought we could have run the ball better in the second half. We all bear the responsibility for that.

steelerkeylargo
09-19-2011, 01:49 PM
It's one thing to miss a block, an assignment or not know where your blitz pick ups are supposed to be. It is completely different to not show leg drive in the run game, finish a block, and show inadequate lateral ability. The bottom line is the guy lacks attitude and want to....half of what makes up a successful lineman. Yes he is a rookie ....and if he doesn't develop some toughness and agrees ion he won't see a second NFL contract. :HeadBanger

SKL, everyone knew that run blocking wasnt Gilbert's strength...especially the Steelers brass. He was drafted because of his ability to pass block...which has been a huge Achilles heal for this team the past several years. It was widely known that Gilbert would need to get stronger for run blocking. However the Steelers saw enough in his ability to pass block to take that risk. So far I see it is paying off.

I knew this was coming. If I say the sky is blue you say no it's not. Gilbert's strength actually is his run blocking, the guy didn't get moved to tackle till his senior year. Having said that he isn't very good at either. He will get abused by a team with any creative blitz packages. I would even say that Wade Philips will have the Texans giving him fits. Don't be surprised if Ben gets his neck broken.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
09-19-2011, 01:54 PM
Gilbert did as good as you could expect. As Gilbert grows physically his game will improve. The only thing he could work on now is growing mentally as the season progresses and the pysical part will come with reps and off seasons under his belt. He will start trading off weight for muscle and his strength & agility will improve. Closing the book on Gilbert after one start is as smart as closing the book on the Steeler season after the week 1 loss to the Ravens.

Chadman
09-19-2011, 05:44 PM
I believe the Steelers had Gilbert targetted pretty early on in the draft process- probably due in part to Maurkice Pouncey's recomendation's (Don't believe what Insane tells you- Pouncey did have Gilbert's back..).

That they are willing to give him a start in only his second NFL game is a pretty good indication of what they think of him right now- could easily have just 'gone with experience' & played Essex.

Gilbert's future looks on the Left, which I think many of us here agree seems his better position. With Gilbert at LT & (hopefully) Colon at RT, I think the Steelers believe their OT's are covered for a few years yet.

I tend to agree.

grotonsteel
09-19-2011, 06:18 PM
He almost finished Ben season but i think it was more of a rookie mistake. Atleast Gilbert was not getting blown of the line like Sam Baker of Atlanta against Trent Cole.


I think Gilbert could be a good LT. I like Colon and Gilbert as Steelers OT for 2012.

steelerkeylargo
09-19-2011, 09:38 PM
I believe the Steelers had Gilbert targetted pretty early on in the draft process- probably due in part to Maurkice Pouncey's recomendation's (Don't believe what Insane tells you- Pouncey did have Gilbert's back..).

That they are willing to give him a start in only his second NFL game is a pretty good indication of what they think of him right now- could easily have just 'gone with experience' & played Essex.

Gilbert's future looks on the Left, which I think many of us here agree seems his better position. With Gilbert at LT & (hopefully) Colon at RT, I think the Steelers believe their OT's are covered for a few years yet.

I tend to agree.

You make it sound like they had a choice. Essex wasn't even on the team a month ago.

NJ-STEELER
09-19-2011, 11:07 PM
keep him on the right side. colon cant be trusted now that he's essentially missed 2 seasons in a row.

then if we dont look at a corner in the 1st round, look for an LT

a 1st,1st, and 2nd round draft choice along the OL has the recipe of a dominant line in the making

fordfixer
09-19-2011, 11:40 PM
Steelers rookie RT Gilbert regrets shaky debut
By NFL.com Staff |
Published: September 19th, 2011 |

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Rookie OL Marcus Gilbert‘s first day on the job for the Steelers was, at times, a little bit more Woody Allen than Damien Woody.

The second-round draft pick out of Florida, making his first start at right tackle, allowed a drive-killing sack in the first quarter of the Steelers’ 24-0 victory over the Seahawks — but it was his next gaffe, late in the first half, that had the Rooney family squirming.

Seattle’s Raheem Brock escaped past Gilbert to blast low into Ben Roethlisberger‘s right knee, leaving the QB twisting in pain on the ground.

“It was a miscommunication,” Gilbert told The Associated Press, before turning to fellow lineman Ramon Foster for support.

Said Foster: “I told him, ‘I got (Ben’s) nose broken last year.’ It’s just one of those things, don’t let it happen again. I think he’ll learn from it.”

If Roethlisberger was annoyed by Gilbert’s debut, he didn’t show it, saying he “did a great job.”

While it was predicted that rookies would be living in a world of chaos following a lockout-addled offseason that prevented them from adapting to the pace and demands of NFL play, this was more the case of learning on the job with a Steelers offensive line riddled with injuries and early season issues.

– Marc Sessler

hawaiiansteel
09-20-2011, 12:55 AM
Steelers coach pleased with play of Gilbert

By Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Monday, September 19, 2011

http://photos.triblive.com/photos/PITT/1324491/37804350E.jpg

He didn't lavish praise on right tackle Marcus Gilbert following the Steelers' 24-0 win against the Seahawks.

But considering how rarely he talks up rookies, it was significant that coach Mike Tomlin said Gilbert's play Sunday was "above the line."

"I thought we had some movement there in the first half running the ball on his side," Tomlin said.

Taking over for Willie Colon, who's out for the rest of the season with a torn triceps, Gilbert got introduced with the rest of the offensive starters yesterday at Heinz Field.

"Running out of the tunnel, most people don't get an opportunity to do that," the second-round draft pick out of Florida said. "I got my nervousness out (of the way)."

"I am very proud of the way he stepped up," said quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, who challenged Gilbert last week, after the Steelers found out Colon had been lost for the season. "I don't think the game was too big for him."

Gilbert said he will wait until after watching film before evaluating how he played.

"I'm never satisfied with what I do because I want to be a great player, and I want to help my team," Gilbert said.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... z1YSPpAUDx (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_757536.html#ixzz1YSPpAUDx)

steelerkeylargo
10-01-2013, 11:30 PM
SKL, everyone knew that run blocking wasnt Gilbert's strength...especially the Steelers brass. He was drafted because of his ability to pass block...which has been a huge Achilles heal for this team the past several years. It was widely known that Gilbert would need to get stronger for run blocking. However the Steelers saw enough in his ability to pass block to take that risk. So far I see it is paying off.

Love looking back

steelerkeylargo
10-01-2013, 11:34 PM
I knew this was coming. If I say the sky is blue you say no it's not. Gilbert's strength actually is his run blocking, the guy didn't get moved to tackle till his senior year. Having said that he isn't very good at either. He will get abused by a team with any creative blitz packages. I would even say that Wade Philips will have the Texans giving him fits. Don't be surprised if Ben gets his neck broken.

Yup, good stuff.