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Dee Dub
09-12-2011, 01:33 PM
....then you can not expect your defense to stop the pass with a 3, 4, and even a 5 man rush!!

This team personnel wise is not built to cover. It is built to get after the QB. But 6 blocking 3, 4, and even 5 is not going to cut it.

A 4 man secondary that has 3 of the 4 who cannot cover needs help. And in the nickle with William Gay, that makes 4 out of 5 that can't cover.

papillon
09-12-2011, 01:46 PM
....then you can not expect your defense to stop the pass with a 3, 4, and even a 5 man rush!!

This team personnel wise is not built to cover. It is built to get after the QB. But 6 blocking 3, 4, and even 5 is not going to cut it.

A 4 man secondary that has 3 of the 4 who cannot cover needs help. And in the nickle with William Gay, that makes 4 out of 5 that can't cover.

The Steeler pass rush was non-existent yesterday, but by and large they have been good at getting after the quarterback. The Ravens did a good job of identifying who would be rushing and getting a body on the rusher. Flacco helped by being accurate and on time with the majority of his throws. The Ravens just played better than the Steelers yesterday.

Let's see what happens over the next couple weeks.

Pappy

hawaiiansteel
09-12-2011, 02:05 PM
A 4 man secondary that has 3 of the 4 who cannot cover needs help. And in the nickle with William Gay, that makes 4 out of 5 that can't cover.


you don't think BMac can cover? :shock:

http://photos.triblive.com/photos/PITT/1319869/37671005E.jpg

Ravens receiver Anquan Boldin catches a touchdown pass over the Steelers' Bryant McFadden during the first quarter

BradshawsHairdresser
09-12-2011, 02:06 PM
....then you can not expect your defense to stop the pass with a 3, 4, and even a 5 man rush!!

This team personnel wise is not built to cover. It is built to get after the QB. But 6 blocking 3, 4, and even 5 is not going to cut it.

A 4 man secondary that has 3 of the 4 who cannot cover needs help. And in the nickle with William Gay, that makes 4 out of 5 that can't cover.
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Dee Dub
09-12-2011, 02:07 PM
....then you can not expect your defense to stop the pass with a 3, 4, and even a 5 man rush!!

This team personnel wise is not built to cover. It is built to get after the QB. But 6 blocking 3, 4, and even 5 is not going to cut it.

A 4 man secondary that has 3 of the 4 who cannot cover needs help. And in the nickle with William Gay, that makes 4 out of 5 that can't cover.

The Steeler pass rush was non-existent yesterday, but by and large they have been good at getting after the quarterback. The Ravens did a good job of identifying who would be rushing and getting a body on the rusher. Flacco helped by being accurate and on time with the majority of his throws. The Ravens just played better than the Steelers yesterday.

Let's see what happens over the next couple weeks.

Pappy

Pap, there isnt going to be much of a pass rush when you are consistently sending 3 and 4 after the QB. There is a slight match-up problem there.

ghettoscott
09-12-2011, 02:16 PM
http://photos.triblive.com/photos/PITT/1319869/37671005E.jpg

The ravens have "male" cheer leaders? :wft ...

Oviedo
09-12-2011, 02:21 PM
....then you can not expect your defense to stop the pass with a 3, 4, and even a 5 man rush!!

This team personnel wise is not built to cover. It is built to get after the QB. But 6 blocking 3, 4, and even 5 is not going to cut it.

A 4 man secondary that has 3 of the 4 who cannot cover needs help. And in the nickle with William Gay, that makes 4 out of 5 that can't cover.

The Steeler pass rush was non-existent yesterday, but by and large they have been good at getting after the quarterback. The Ravens did a good job of identifying who would be rushing and getting a body on the rusher. Flacco helped by being accurate and on time with the majority of his throws. The Ravens just played better than the Steelers yesterday.

Let's see what happens over the next couple weeks.

Pappy

They were good getting after the QB when Harrison and Smith weren't broken and worn out. Both looked like a shadow of their former selves.

I don't recall seeing one inside blitz by Timmons or Farrior. If we don't blitz LeBeau's defense is incapbale of stopping a QB given time. He seems to forget that at times. Possibly because his blitz options are too complex for even him to remember :stirpot

papillon
09-12-2011, 02:29 PM
[quote="Dee Dub":3t4439cn]....then you can not expect your defense to stop the pass with a 3, 4, and even a 5 man rush!!

This team personnel wise is not built to cover. It is built to get after the QB. But 6 blocking 3, 4, and even 5 is not going to cut it.

A 4 man secondary that has 3 of the 4 who cannot cover needs help. And in the nickle with William Gay, that makes 4 out of 5 that can't cover.

The Steeler pass rush was non-existent yesterday, but by and large they have been good at getting after the quarterback. The Ravens did a good job of identifying who would be rushing and getting a body on the rusher. Flacco helped by being accurate and on time with the majority of his throws. The Ravens just played better than the Steelers yesterday.

Let's see what happens over the next couple weeks.

Pappy

Pap, there isnt going to be much of a pass rush when you are consistently sending 3 and 4 after the QB. There is a slight match-up problem there.[/quote:3t4439cn]

They have been able to generate one of the best pass rushes using Lebeau's scheme for years. Why did it become totally ineffective yesterday?

Pappy

feltdizz
09-12-2011, 02:31 PM
Times change.. teams adjust... teams get younger... teams adjust...

BURGH86STEEL
09-12-2011, 02:42 PM
[quote="Dee Dub":3docq4gn]....then you can not expect your defense to stop the pass with a 3, 4, and even a 5 man rush!!

This team personnel wise is not built to cover. It is built to get after the QB. But 6 blocking 3, 4, and even 5 is not going to cut it.

A 4 man secondary that has 3 of the 4 who cannot cover needs help. And in the nickle with William Gay, that makes 4 out of 5 that can't cover.

The Steeler pass rush was non-existent yesterday, but by and large they have been good at getting after the quarterback. The Ravens did a good job of identifying who would be rushing and getting a body on the rusher. Flacco helped by being accurate and on time with the majority of his throws. The Ravens just played better than the Steelers yesterday.

Let's see what happens over the next couple weeks.

Pappy

Pap, there isnt going to be much of a pass rush when you are consistently sending 3 and 4 after the QB. There is a slight match-up problem there.

They have been able to generate one of the best pass rushes using Lebeau's scheme for years. Why did it become totally ineffective yesterday?

Pappy[/quote:3docq4gn]

Because the players they pay to execute didn't win the one on one match ups. The Ravens ability to run the ball had an impact. Flacco was money yesterday and the offense couldn't stop giving the ball away equaled a blow out.

papillon
09-12-2011, 02:45 PM
[quote="Dee Dub":3m481uc5]....then you can not expect your defense to stop the pass with a 3, 4, and even a 5 man rush!!

This team personnel wise is not built to cover. It is built to get after the QB. But 6 blocking 3, 4, and even 5 is not going to cut it.

A 4 man secondary that has 3 of the 4 who cannot cover needs help. And in the nickle with William Gay, that makes 4 out of 5 that can't cover.

The Steeler pass rush was non-existent yesterday, but by and large they have been good at getting after the quarterback. The Ravens did a good job of identifying who would be rushing and getting a body on the rusher. Flacco helped by being accurate and on time with the majority of his throws. The Ravens just played better than the Steelers yesterday.

Let's see what happens over the next couple weeks.

Pappy

Pap, there isnt going to be much of a pass rush when you are consistently sending 3 and 4 after the QB. There is a slight match-up problem there.

They have been able to generate one of the best pass rushes using Lebeau's scheme for years. Why did it become totally ineffective yesterday?

Pappy

Because the players they pay to execute didn't win the one on one match ups. The Ravens ability to run the ball had an impact. Flacco was money yesterday and the offense couldn't stop giving the ball away equaled a blow out.[/quote:3m481uc5]

Yup, that's what I said in a different thread. Woodley was stoned all day long. Harrison got held early, but that was about it for him, he ran out of gas and still played okay.

Pappy

Dee Dub
09-12-2011, 02:50 PM
[quote="Dee Dub":2lv28nbz]....then you can not expect your defense to stop the pass with a 3, 4, and even a 5 man rush!!

This team personnel wise is not built to cover. It is built to get after the QB. But 6 blocking 3, 4, and even 5 is not going to cut it.

A 4 man secondary that has 3 of the 4 who cannot cover needs help. And in the nickle with William Gay, that makes 4 out of 5 that can't cover.

The Steeler pass rush was non-existent yesterday, but by and large they have been good at getting after the quarterback. The Ravens did a good job of identifying who would be rushing and getting a body on the rusher. Flacco helped by being accurate and on time with the majority of his throws. The Ravens just played better than the Steelers yesterday.

Let's see what happens over the next couple weeks.

Pappy

Pap, there isnt going to be much of a pass rush when you are consistently sending 3 and 4 after the QB. There is a slight match-up problem there.

They have been able to generate one of the best pass rushes using Lebeau's scheme for years. Why did it become totally ineffective yesterday?

Pappy[/quote:2lv28nbz]

What I am trying to explain and have been for awhile now is the LeBeau isnt running the scheme as much as he once did. He is actually going away from a zone blitz. 3 TD passes by Flacco and on all 3 of them the Steelers rush only 4 men. Are you guys watching these games?

Oviedo
09-12-2011, 02:56 PM
[quote=papillon][quote="Dee Dub":2rt8gncq]....then you can not expect your defense to stop the pass with a 3, 4, and even a 5 man rush!!

This team personnel wise is not built to cover. It is built to get after the QB. But 6 blocking 3, 4, and even 5 is not going to cut it.

A 4 man secondary that has 3 of the 4 who cannot cover needs help. And in the nickle with William Gay, that makes 4 out of 5 that can't cover.

The Steeler pass rush was non-existent yesterday, but by and large they have been good at getting after the quarterback. The Ravens did a good job of identifying who would be rushing and getting a body on the rusher. Flacco helped by being accurate and on time with the majority of his throws. The Ravens just played better than the Steelers yesterday.

Let's see what happens over the next couple weeks.

Pappy

Pap, there isnt going to be much of a pass rush when you are consistently sending 3 and 4 after the QB. There is a slight match-up problem there.

They have been able to generate one of the best pass rushes using Lebeau's scheme for years. Why did it become totally ineffective yesterday?

Pappy[/quote:2rt8gncq]

What I am trying to explain and have been for awhile now is the LeBeau isnt running the scheme as much as he once did. He is actually going away from a zone blitz. 3 TD passes by Flacco and on all 3 of them the Steelers rush only 4 men. Are you guys watching these games?[/quote:2rt8gncq]

:Agree Did you see a single inside blitz by Timmons or Farrior?????

Dee Dub
09-12-2011, 03:02 PM
No...and what I did see is that Flacco threw 3 TD's and on all 3 of them...the Steelers rushed 4 men.

How on earth can you ever expect a player to execute when there are more blockers than men rushing the QB??

hawaiiansteel
09-12-2011, 03:40 PM
Woodley was stoned all day long.


I don't see why Woodley would smoke marijuana right before an important game like that... :D

RuthlessBurgher
09-12-2011, 05:38 PM
Woodley was stoned all day long.


I don't see why Woodley would smoke marijuana right before an important game like that... :D

Learn from the best, baby!

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NJ-STEELER
09-12-2011, 06:28 PM
YeAh

Enough with the 'run stuffing corners' they seem to like so much

BURGH86STEEL
09-12-2011, 06:36 PM
No...and what I did see is that Flacco threw 3 TD's and on all 3 of them...the Steelers rushed 4 men.

How on earth can you ever expect a player to execute when there are more blockers than men rushing the QB??

I believe a couple of the players were matched up one on one. Can't double team every player.

On another note, the Ravens didn't seem to have a problem putting pressure on Ben rushing 4 or 5 players.

hawaiiansteel
09-12-2011, 06:38 PM
Are you guys watching these games?


no, you're the only one... :roll:

anger 82&95
09-12-2011, 06:41 PM
Woodley was stoned all day long.


I don't see why Woodley would smoke marijuana right before an important game like that... :D
In preparation for R. Williams?

hawaiiansteel
09-12-2011, 06:47 PM
Woodley was stoned all day long.


I don't see why Woodley would smoke marijuana right before an important game like that... :D
In preparation for R. Williams?


good one :Clap

maybe he was trapped at the bottom of a pile up too long with Ricky? :D

RuthlessBurgher
09-12-2011, 06:47 PM
Woodley was stoned all day long.


I don't see why Woodley would smoke marijuana right before an important game like that... :D
In preparation for R. Williams?

Niiice. :lol:

mshifko
09-12-2011, 08:18 PM
....then you can not expect your defense to stop the pass with a 3, 4, and even a 5 man rush!!

This team personnel wise is not built to cover. It is built to get after the QB. But 6 blocking 3, 4, and even 5 is not going to cut it.

A 4 man secondary that has 3 of the 4 who cannot cover needs help. And in the nickle with William Gay, that makes 4 out of 5 that can't cover.

let's face it, the issue is we weren't getting pressure when we sent 4. any DB is going to be "exposed" when you give a Qb an insane amount of time to make reads/find open guys. when we blitz however, that's how you can judge if guys can cover. not when flacco has 6-8 seconds to look through his reads.

NJ-STEELER
09-12-2011, 11:09 PM
No...and what I did see is that Flacco threw 3 TD's and on all 3 of them...the Steelers rushed 4 men.

How on earth can you ever expect a player to execute when there are more blockers than men rushing the QB??



On another note, the Ravens didn't seem to have a problem putting pressure on Ben rushing 4 or 5 players.

great point

Dee Dub
09-13-2011, 12:25 AM
[quote="Dee Dub":5pdv2oig]No...and what I did see is that Flacco threw 3 TD's and on all 3 of them...the Steelers rushed 4 men.

How on earth can you ever expect a player to execute when there are more blockers than men rushing the QB??



On another note, the Ravens didn't seem to have a problem putting pressure on Ben rushing 4 or 5 players.

great point[/quote:5pdv2oig]

Yeah but the Ravens have one guy on their D-line who cant be blocked...or at least by one player and that makes a huge difference. Ngata is a man among boys.

hawaiiansteel
09-13-2011, 01:39 AM
Yeah but the Ravens have one guy on their D-line who cant be blocked...or at least by one player and that makes a huge difference. Ngata is a man among boys.


we couldn't block Suggs either...