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steeler_george
08-29-2011, 10:14 AM
Could the starting OL this year be:

Colon-Hills-Pouncey-Kemo-Gilbert resv: Essex, Leg, Scott

I missed Saturdays game, but read that Gilbert handled the postition well against the Falcon's All Pro. And from other sources saying that he is starting to get postive reviews in practices.

As for Hills, I read he did real good.


Could our OL be better than last years?

flippy
08-29-2011, 10:24 AM
I was watching Gilbert and he seems to have decent feet but needs to get stronger (or maybe just a little better technique).

He was quick enough to stay in front of his guy but he really wasn't attacking or getting a push. Could be a mental thing at this point and he just needs some experience. But overall, I wouldn't be totally against having him there.

Looks like he could work his way into a solid tackle. I see a lot of potential in this kid.


Hills, I'm not sure. Didn't really focus on him specifically since I only watched the game once and was keeping more of an eye on Gilbert.

Oviedo
08-29-2011, 10:59 AM
I think Hills will be the starting RG with either Foster or Scott delegated to the bench. One of them could be off the roster, most likely Scott since I think he is eligible for the PS.

Hills provides very good game day options since in an emergency he could slide over to LT.

I doubt Gilbert is ready to play now, but IMO he did well against a very good DE in Abraham. He looks to be a keeper with a year of seasoning.

phillyesq
08-29-2011, 12:53 PM
I think Hills will be the starting RG with either Foster or Scott delegated to the bench. One of them could be off the roster, most likely Scott since I think he is eligible for the PS.

Hills provides very good game day options since in an emergency he could slide over to LT.

I doubt Gilbert is ready to play now, but IMO he did well against a very good DE in Abraham. He looks to be a keeper with a year of seasoning.

I would bet on J. Scott starting the season at LT and Hills at RG. I think that Chris Scott is an easy cut -- despite his potential early in camp, he looked pretty bad when I saw him this preseason.

For the game day backups, I link Legursky is a lock to be active since he's also the GL fullback. That leaves one other spot to one of Essex, Foster and perhaps Gilbert.

I'd be surprised if Gilbert doesn't start a game this season, but I don't think that he'll be an opening day starter.

steelblood
08-29-2011, 01:59 PM
Gilbert played two series last week against Trent Cole and looked fantastic. This week he was never beaten cleanly, but was often walked back into the QB too easily. The good news is that this can be improved without a major technique overhaul. I believe Gilbert has shown enough to be the #1 backup at LT and may take over that position later this season. However, I do believe Jonathan Scott if healthy will start the season. Scott played really well late last season and in the playoffs.

Hills is an interesting guy. He looked very good on combo blocks and has quick feet to recover when initially beaten (unlike Kemo). However, he doesn't always get much of a push (which you hope a RG can do). I think Hills could be fantastic against 3-4 teams because he is very athletic and can get out and block linebackers. However, I don't have enough information yet to even predict how he will do against atheltic DTs and run-stuffing DTs. But, there is plenty of potential.

Kugler is, imho, our best position coach. Butler and Mitchell are local legends, but Kugler does more with less better than anyone on our staff.

pittpete
08-29-2011, 02:14 PM
I could have sworn Gilbert got beat by Abraham for a sack on Ben..

steelblood
08-29-2011, 02:18 PM
I could have sworn Gilbert got beat by Abraham for a sack on Ben..

Yeah, I think I remember that. Ben couldn't find anyone and moved up in the pocket. Abraham got under Gilbert and made the sack, I believe.

Oviedo
08-29-2011, 02:21 PM
I could have sworn Gilbert got beat by Abraham for a sack on Ben..

Just once. He lost his balance and got pushed back. Only losing one battle to a guy is a 3x Pro Bowler and had 11 sacks last season is still respectable. Keep in mind this was Gilbert's first NFL start too. He will learn and get better.

steelblood
08-29-2011, 02:44 PM
I could have sworn Gilbert got beat by Abraham for a sack on Ben..

Just once. He lost his balance and got pushed back. Only losing one battle to a guy is a 3x Pro Bowler and had 11 sacks last season is still respectable. Keep in mind this was Gilbert's first NFL start too. He will learn and get better.

Quite right. Cutting your teeth on Trent Cole and John Abraham and holding your own is quite good.

phillyesq
08-29-2011, 03:30 PM
I could have sworn Gilbert got beat by Abraham for a sack on Ben..

Just once. He lost his balance and got pushed back. Only losing one battle to a guy is a 3x Pro Bowler and had 11 sacks last season is still respectable. Keep in mind this was Gilbert's first NFL start too. He will learn and get better.

It was a bit of a combo of Ben stepping up and Gilbert getting pushed back, but Gilbert was in front of him and at least gave Ben a bit of time. Ben didn't get drilled and Gilbert didn't get flat out beat.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
08-29-2011, 04:01 PM
I could have sworn Gilbert got beat by Abraham for a sack on Ben..

Just once. He lost his balance and got pushed back. Only losing one battle to a guy is a 3x Pro Bowler and had 11 sacks last season is still respectable. Keep in mind this was Gilbert's first NFL start too. He will learn and get better.

Quite right. Cutting your teeth on Trent Cole and John Abraham and holding your own is quite good.

Yes....as a rook without much of a training camp.

What we seem to forget is that usually by this time in the pre season all rookies have been through countless OTAs and a full TC. Usually the coaches have the time and patience to school the kids and see what they have because time is plentiful.

This TC is all about doing it all on the fly. Priority is finding our starters on the line, not seeing which kids can show enough to contribute as backups.

Once the extra fat is trimmed and Gilbert gets more and more time with Coach Koogs and gets a chance to learn the craft then he will be ready to play week in and week out at a high level. He shows the raw ability, now we just need to tweak a few things to make him an NFL LT.

SidSmythe
08-29-2011, 05:00 PM
Can GILBERT play CORNERBACK???

Snatch98
08-29-2011, 05:40 PM
Call me crazy BUT I think a trial by fire method could work for Gilbert. Put him in there as the starter and see how he does. If anything he'll quickly find out what he's up against and it will push him harder to excel. If he does excel he's only going to improve further by getting starter reps. I thought he did pretty well against Atlanta and once he's more comfortable he'll be more aggressive. He definitely held Abraham off on a few occasions.

fordfixer
08-30-2011, 01:58 AM
Legursky leaps Hills on O-line depth chart
By Scott Brown and Mark Kaboly, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, August 30, 2011
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 54091.html (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_754091.html)

The Steelers may have quietly settled on a starter at right guard.

Doug Legursky is listed as No. 1 at right guard on the Steelers' updated depth chart, a week after Tony Hills held the spot.

A change to the depth chart is not uncommon, but the one at right guard came after Hills had said he thought the coaches have already decided on a starter at the position.

"You'll have to wait and see," he said before practice yesterday.

Hills has started the past two games at right guard. Coach Mike Tomlin said he started against the Falcons last Saturday so coaches could get more of a look at him at the position. Hills played sparingly at right guard in an Aug. 18 game against Philadelphia because of injuries to left tackles Jonathan Scott and Marcus Gilbert.

Legursky had been listed as second-team center. Trai Essex, who re-signed with the Steelers listed week, is now listed as second-team, behind Maurkice Pouncey.

Backup QB battle

Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger mostly watched practice Monday, and for good reason.

Tomlin has to decide who is Roethlisberger's primary backup, with Byron Leftwich sidelined indefinitely after breaking his upper left arm Saturday night. Batch and Dixon split snaps yesterday, but Tomlin said nothing should be read into the fact that Batch ran the first-team offense.

Tomlin said the two will battle for the No. 2 job this week. A "final determination," he said, will be made after the Steelers play their final preseason game Thursday night against the host Carolina Panthers.

Leftwich underwent surgery yesterday, and Tomlin said the Steelers are going to "let it calm down for a couple of days before we get to a determination" on the veteran's status.

If the Steelers place Leftwich on injured reserve, his season is over.

The Steelers could "waive/injure" Leftwich, and if he clears waivers his rights would still belong to them. Doing this would allow Leftwich to return at some point this season if he is healthy enough to do so.

Pouncey's ankle woes

Pouncey didn't practice yesterday after hurting his left ankle in the Steelers' 34-16 win over the Atlanta Falcons. The Pro Bowl center said the injury isn't serious, though he conceded that it is a lingering one.

Pouncey has been hindered by the same ankle he sprained last January, an injury that caused him to miss the Super Bowl. Pouncey said he has been dealing with calcium build-up in his ankle.

"Once it breaks down, it gets sore," he said, "but it's all right, not that bad. I keep going through the same process, but hopefully I'll get through it soon."

Tomlin said a decision on whether Pouncey will play Thursday has not been made. In addition to Pouncey, wide receivers Hines Ward (quad) and Jerricho Cotchery (hamstring), strong safety Troy Polamalu (quad) and nose tackle Casey Hampton (elbow) didn't practice yesterday.

McFadden eager to return

Cornerback Bryant McFadden, sidelined for most of the preseason with what he said is a torn hamstring, practiced yesterday. The key as to whether McFadden plays against the Panthers is how he feels today.

"And also Wednesday," McFadden said. "I've got to be smart."

It has been a preseason of stops and starts for McFadden. with more of the latter for the eighth-year veteran. He is trying to work his way back from the first serious hamstring injury of his career, and the 6-foot, 190-pounder is trying to balance pushing himself without overdoing it.

McFadden said he wants to play Thursday so he can work on his game conditioning.

Colbert's new title

The Steelers promoted Kevin Colbert to general manager, making the Pittsburgh native the first to hold that title in Steelers history.

Colbert, a North Catholic graduate, has held the title of director of football operations since he was hired in 2000.

There was no announcement made by the team. The change in titles was listed in the media guide, which is only available digitally until the start of the season because of the NFL lockout.

Colbert first joined the Steelers in 2000 after spending 10 years as the Detroit Lions' pro scouting director.

Read more: Legursky leaps Hills on O-line depth chart - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... z1WUNkV1Bd (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_754091.html#ixzz1WUNkV1Bd)

Oviedo
08-30-2011, 09:07 AM
Legursky leaps Hills on O-line depth chart
By Scott Brown and Mark Kaboly, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, August 30, 2011
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 54091.html (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_754091.html)

The Steelers may have quietly settled on a starter at right guard.

Doug Legursky is listed as No. 1 at right guard on the Steelers' updated depth chart, a week after Tony Hills held the spot.

A change to the depth chart is not uncommon, but the one at right guard came after Hills had said he thought the coaches have already decided on a starter at the position.

"You'll have to wait and see," he said before practice yesterday.

Hills has started the past two games at right guard. Coach Mike Tomlin said he started against the Falcons last Saturday so coaches could get more of a look at him at the position. Hills played sparingly at right guard in an Aug. 18 game against Philadelphia because of injuries to left tackles Jonathan Scott and Marcus Gilbert.

Legursky had been listed as second-team center. Trai Essex, who re-signed with the Steelers listed week, is now listed as second-team, behind Maurkice Pouncey.

Backup QB battle

Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger mostly watched practice Monday, and for good reason.

Tomlin has to decide who is Roethlisberger's primary backup, with Byron Leftwich sidelined indefinitely after breaking his upper left arm Saturday night. Batch and Dixon split snaps yesterday, but Tomlin said nothing should be read into the fact that Batch ran the first-team offense.

Tomlin said the two will battle for the No. 2 job this week. A "final determination," he said, will be made after the Steelers play their final preseason game Thursday night against the host Carolina Panthers.

Leftwich underwent surgery yesterday, and Tomlin said the Steelers are going to "let it calm down for a couple of days before we get to a determination" on the veteran's status.

If the Steelers place Leftwich on injured reserve, his season is over.

The Steelers could "waive/injure" Leftwich, and if he clears waivers his rights would still belong to them. Doing this would allow Leftwich to return at some point this season if he is healthy enough to do so.

Pouncey's ankle woes

Pouncey didn't practice yesterday after hurting his left ankle in the Steelers' 34-16 win over the Atlanta Falcons. The Pro Bowl center said the injury isn't serious, though he conceded that it is a lingering one.

Pouncey has been hindered by the same ankle he sprained last January, an injury that caused him to miss the Super Bowl. Pouncey said he has been dealing with calcium build-up in his ankle.

"Once it breaks down, it gets sore," he said, "but it's all right, not that bad. I keep going through the same process, but hopefully I'll get through it soon."

Tomlin said a decision on whether Pouncey will play Thursday has not been made. In addition to Pouncey, wide receivers Hines Ward (quad) and Jerricho Cotchery (hamstring), strong safety Troy Polamalu (quad) and nose tackle Casey Hampton (elbow) didn't practice yesterday.

McFadden eager to return

Cornerback Bryant McFadden, sidelined for most of the preseason with what he said is a torn hamstring, practiced yesterday. The key as to whether McFadden plays against the Panthers is how he feels today.

"And also Wednesday," McFadden said. "I've got to be smart."

It has been a preseason of stops and starts for McFadden. with more of the latter for the eighth-year veteran. He is trying to work his way back from the first serious hamstring injury of his career, and the 6-foot, 190-pounder is trying to balance pushing himself without overdoing it.

McFadden said he wants to play Thursday so he can work on his game conditioning.

Colbert's new title

The Steelers promoted Kevin Colbert to general manager, making the Pittsburgh native the first to hold that title in Steelers history.

Colbert, a North Catholic graduate, has held the title of director of football operations since he was hired in 2000.

There was no announcement made by the team. The change in titles was listed in the media guide, which is only available digitally until the start of the season because of the NFL lockout.

Colbert first joined the Steelers in 2000 after spending 10 years as the Detroit Lions' pro scouting director.

Read more: Legursky leaps Hills on O-line depth chart - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... z1WUNkV1Bd (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_754091.html#ixzz1WUNkV1Bd)

This is an interesting development. I will be curious to see if on September 11th if Legursky is really the starting RG especially since he is the goal line FB and he can't do both.

Bottomline is that it would be nice to address RG in the draft next year and solidify that position for the next 5+ years instead of the constant open auditions.

phillyesq
08-30-2011, 10:18 AM
This is an interesting development. I will be curious to see if on September 11th if Legursky is really the starting RG especially since he is the goal line FB and he can't do both.

Bottomline is that it would be nice to address RG in the draft next year and solidify that position for the next 5+ years instead of the constant open auditions.

I read some criticism that Hills was getting too high on occassion, so perhaps that was the reason for this move. I like Legursky off the bench and as an occasional spot starter, but I'm not sure that I like him as a full season starter.

Unless somebody steps up and shocks us, it looks like CB and RG are going to top the draft needs for next year.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
08-30-2011, 10:37 AM
Legursky leaps Hills on O-line depth chart
By Scott Brown and Mark Kaboly, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, August 30, 2011
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 54091.html (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_754091.html)

The Steelers may have quietly settled on a starter at right guard.

Doug Legursky is listed as No. 1 at right guard on the Steelers' updated depth chart, a week after Tony Hills held the spot.

A change to the depth chart is not uncommon, but the one at right guard came after Hills had said he thought the coaches have already decided on a starter at the position.

"You'll have to wait and see," he said before practice yesterday.

Hills has started the past two games at right guard. Coach Mike Tomlin said he started against the Falcons last Saturday so coaches could get more of a look at him at the position. Hills played sparingly at right guard in an Aug. 18 game against Philadelphia because of injuries to left tackles Jonathan Scott and Marcus Gilbert.

Legursky had been listed as second-team center. Trai Essex, who re-signed with the Steelers listed week, is now listed as second-team, behind Maurkice Pouncey.

Backup QB battle

Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger mostly watched practice Monday, and for good reason.

Tomlin has to decide who is Roethlisberger's primary backup, with Byron Leftwich sidelined indefinitely after breaking his upper left arm Saturday night. Batch and Dixon split snaps yesterday, but Tomlin said nothing should be read into the fact that Batch ran the first-team offense.

Tomlin said the two will battle for the No. 2 job this week. A "final determination," he said, will be made after the Steelers play their final preseason game Thursday night against the host Carolina Panthers.

Leftwich underwent surgery yesterday, and Tomlin said the Steelers are going to "let it calm down for a couple of days before we get to a determination" on the veteran's status.

If the Steelers place Leftwich on injured reserve, his season is over.

The Steelers could "waive/injure" Leftwich, and if he clears waivers his rights would still belong to them. Doing this would allow Leftwich to return at some point this season if he is healthy enough to do so.

Pouncey's ankle woes

Pouncey didn't practice yesterday after hurting his left ankle in the Steelers' 34-16 win over the Atlanta Falcons. The Pro Bowl center said the injury isn't serious, though he conceded that it is a lingering one.

Pouncey has been hindered by the same ankle he sprained last January, an injury that caused him to miss the Super Bowl. Pouncey said he has been dealing with calcium build-up in his ankle.

"Once it breaks down, it gets sore," he said, "but it's all right, not that bad. I keep going through the same process, but hopefully I'll get through it soon."

Tomlin said a decision on whether Pouncey will play Thursday has not been made. In addition to Pouncey, wide receivers Hines Ward (quad) and Jerricho Cotchery (hamstring), strong safety Troy Polamalu (quad) and nose tackle Casey Hampton (elbow) didn't practice yesterday.

McFadden eager to return

Cornerback Bryant McFadden, sidelined for most of the preseason with what he said is a torn hamstring, practiced yesterday. The key as to whether McFadden plays against the Panthers is how he feels today.

"And also Wednesday," McFadden said. "I've got to be smart."

It has been a preseason of stops and starts for McFadden. with more of the latter for the eighth-year veteran. He is trying to work his way back from the first serious hamstring injury of his career, and the 6-foot, 190-pounder is trying to balance pushing himself without overdoing it.

McFadden said he wants to play Thursday so he can work on his game conditioning.

Colbert's new title

The Steelers promoted Kevin Colbert to general manager, making the Pittsburgh native the first to hold that title in Steelers history.

Colbert, a North Catholic graduate, has held the title of director of football operations since he was hired in 2000.

There was no announcement made by the team. The change in titles was listed in the media guide, which is only available digitally until the start of the season because of the NFL lockout.

Colbert first joined the Steelers in 2000 after spending 10 years as the Detroit Lions' pro scouting director.

Read more: Legursky leaps Hills on O-line depth chart - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... z1WUNkV1Bd (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_754091.html#ixzz1WUNkV1Bd)

This is an interesting development. I will be curious to see if on September 11th if Legursky is really the starting RG especially since he is the goal line FB and he can't do both.

Bottomline is that it would be nice to address RG in the draft next year and solidify that position for the next 5+ years instead of the constant open auditions.

I wonder if this is just a case of Legursky just getting his turn to run with the first team before they make a final decision. He can play his few snaps with the ones on Thursday, and then get some more playing time with the second unit. After that then a decision.

I just find it hard to believe that Hills' starting spot was given away after Atlanta. I think that the competition is still ongoing.

BradshawsHairdresser
08-30-2011, 11:49 AM
Unless somebody steps up and shocks us, it looks like CB and RG are going to top the draft needs for next year.

As they did this year... :(

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
08-30-2011, 12:05 PM
Unless somebody steps up and shocks us, it looks like CB and RG are going to top the draft needs for next year.

I can't see them prioritizing CB next year. We have one starter solidly in place in Ike. After him we have:

BMac
Lewis
Gay
Allen
Warren
Butler
Brown

Sure, laugh if you will, but somewhere in that group of 7 is one or two players who can show that they can play at this level.

BMac, Gay - Both vets with starting experience. If McFadden can finally stay healthy then there is reason to believe that he can handle the position. Gay has had success in the nickel as recently as '08.

Lewis, Butler - Both have been around a couple of years and have shown pretty well at camp this time around. Lewis seems ready to compete for a starting job while Butler can hopefully improve to the same point.

Warren, Brown, Allen - None of these three are even close yet but with a year of seasoning they should take steps in the right direction. Brown could see the field this year and as an early round pick will be expected to throw his hat into the mix by next season. Warren is the out of nowhere wild card at this point, but who knows. Allen probably has the most upside but is farthest away. Think Ike Taylor - fourth round, 2003.

I don't think that it is wishful thinking to think that just one of these guys is a worthy starter, and a couple are nickel/backup material already. Within a couple of years, if any of the rooks step up then this could be a stocked position for us. No reason to think that they will be looking CB early next draft.