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Oviedo
08-28-2011, 11:01 AM
I know Harrison played but did he do anything? Is the back surgery signaling the end to his dominance? I have concerns that we will see Harrison have as good a season as he has the past few years. He is 33 years old and coming off back surgery. His time as a member of the Steelers may not be as long as we hope. jason Worilds had better be ready to play.

pittpete
08-28-2011, 12:37 PM
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Shoe
08-28-2011, 01:14 PM
We should be concerned. Back surgery is no joke for someone just trying to live their life let alone play NFL football. It was curious to see him let up on chasing Matt Ryan on that one pressure that I saw. Not saying that was related to his back injury... just seemed unusual.

steelfin
08-28-2011, 02:03 PM
He is not healthy...just listen to his post game interview on steelers.com....

I hope Woirlds is ready to step up...we will need our backups to step up until James has a chance to heal and strengthen his back....

I hope we haven't seen the last of James Harrison as we have known him over the last few years....

papillon
08-28-2011, 02:07 PM
I keep hearing that Worilds is having a good camp and pre-season, but I don't see it. In the second half last night, I don't think he made a tackle. Maybe I'm expecting more because the Steelers are saying he's doing well, but I don't see it. There will be a big drop in play if he has to play for James.

Pappy

hawaiiansteel
08-28-2011, 02:49 PM
Harrison will ‘eventually get to full strength’

August 28th, 2011

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/img/logo_triblive.gif


James Harrison wasn’t much of a factor in the Steelers’ 34-16 win against the Falcons, and Atlanta quarterback Matt Ryan did not get sacked despite throwing 42 passes against the first-team defense.

There probably is a correlation between the two as Harrison is the Steelers’ most decorated — and probably feared — pass rusher. And after the Steelers improved to 2-1 in preseason play, the outside linebacker admitted that he is still working himself into playing shape.

“Eventually I’ll get to full strength,” said Harrison, who underwent two back surgeries within a month during the offseason. “When that will be, who knows?

“It’s more trying to get into game shape, trying to get the back to hold up the same it did the first play as it will the last play. That’s something that will come with time. The longer I’m out there the more I get games in and reps in and the better it will get.”

The unsettling thought for Steelers fans when it comes to that: Harrison isn’t going to play more than a series Thursday in the Steelers’ preseason finale at Thursday.

That means he won’t completely have his football legs under him when the Steelers open the season against the Ravens. The good news, Harrison said, is he felt the same physically after the Falcons game as he did following the Steelers’ 24-14 win against the Eagles on Aug. 18.

The first-team defense played roughly a half against each team.

And remember the Steelers’ offense dominated time of possession against the Eagles. It was a different story against the Falcons, who ran 52 plays against the Steelers in the first half.

“I feel about the same so I guess it’s heading in the right direction,” Harrison said.

http://blog.triblive.com/steel-mill/201 ... -strength/ (http://blog.triblive.com/steel-mill/2011/08/28/harrison-will-eventually-get-to-full-strength/)

insanesteelersfan
08-28-2011, 03:18 PM
If Harrison does miss some games, I would rather see Timmons replace him. I mean was it just me ?....or does Timmons come after the QB, as well as everyone else he is chasing like a Rocket ? Then, instead of Foote replacing Timmons on the inside, I wanna see more of S.Sylvester out there. He to is like a persuing Rocket out there. Yes Worilds does have quickness to, and potential. And he may be tearing it up in practices. But to me, you also gotta have " Game Time " production. And I'm not seeing alot of that from Jason. I AM however seeing alot of it from Sylvester when he is in there.

Discipline of Steel
08-28-2011, 04:26 PM
If Harrison does miss some games, I would rather see Timmons replace him. I mean was it just me ?....or does Timmons come after the QB, as well as everyone else he is chasing like a Rocket ? Then, instead of Foote replacing Timmons on the inside, I wanna see more of S.Sylvester out there. He to is like a persuing Rocket out there. Yes Worilds does have quickness to, and potential. And he may be tearing it up in practices. But to me, you also gotta have " Game Time " production. And I'm not seeing alot of that from Jason. I AM however seeing alot of it from Sylvester when he is in there.

I agree 100%.
The question becomes...Is Jason Worilds ready? and the answer to that is no, not even close. He hasnt done a single thing to show that he might be.

BURGH86STEEL
08-28-2011, 04:37 PM
If Harrison does miss some games, I would rather see Timmons replace him. I mean was it just me ?....or does Timmons come after the QB, as well as everyone else he is chasing like a Rocket ? Then, instead of Foote replacing Timmons on the inside, I wanna see more of S.Sylvester out there. He to is like a persuing Rocket out there. Yes Worilds does have quickness to, and potential. And he may be tearing it up in practices. But to me, you also gotta have " Game Time " production. And I'm not seeing alot of that from Jason. I AM however seeing alot of it from Sylvester when he is in there.
I feel they may lose something on defense if they take Timmons out of the MLB position.

Does Sylvester know the defense well enough to play at the level expected? Only time will tell if the coaches have that kind of confidence in him. Foote may not be the most explosive player but he knows the defense and he is a solid player.

Want to add that Worilds showed flashes by providing a good pass rush vs ATL.

hawaiiansteel
08-28-2011, 08:05 PM
Concerns mounting about how effective Harrison will be early in the season

Sun, Aug 28th, 2011 by DePaoli


When training camp opened up, James Harrison proclaimed that he was only at 75-to-80 percent following off-season back surgery and didn't know when he would be 100 percent. For some reason, that went completely unnoticed by most of the media as the focus was all about Harrison's controversial comments.

Harrison's back is not going to be an afterthought anymore.

Immediately as the first half ended last night, what caught my attention the most was not about how dangerous the Steelers offense has the potential to be but how James Harrison just doesn't look right.

Harrison looks to be out of football shape but most concerning is that he struggled to get any kind of push on the line of scrimmage. There has been rumblings this summer that he's lost a ton of lower body strength and is squatting at least 300 pounds less than his normal 600+ pounds. His lack of lower body strength was evident in last night's game.

Harrison has admitted he's not "there" right now and he doesn't know when he will be.

http://insidepittsburghsports.com/story ... son/42050/ (http://insidepittsburghsports.com/story/concerns-mounting-about-how-effective-harrison-will-be-early-in-the-season/42050/)

Stewie
08-30-2011, 11:04 PM
No, he's not ready, and I DO NOT want tee Timmons there...much too valuable in dropping on TEs and backs.

Shoe
08-31-2011, 12:00 AM
If he admits to not being at full-strength, I don't see the obvious question: Why not sit him? Why put him out there at less than 100% and risk injury? I have no problem with running Woodley/Farrior/Timmons/Worilds or whoever they choose for the first month of the season while Harrison gets back to health in a controlled manner.

hawaiiansteel
08-31-2011, 02:18 AM
Harrison not back to usual condition

Wednesday, August 31, 2011
By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

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James Harrison: Not 100 percent just yet.


Usually, not many Steelers players, if any, are in better shape than James Harrison, their four-time Pro Bowl outside linebacker. Especially this time of year.

But these have not been usual times for Harrison, which he has quickly -- and somewhat agonizingly -- discovered.

Like the rest of the players in the NFL, Harrison did not have an offseason of workouts, practice sessions and minicamps with his teammates because of the lockout. But even if there were offseason training activities, he likely would have been unable to participate after having double back surgery in March.

Harrison has had a tough time getting back in shape after his surgery, and it was apparent in the victory Saturday night against the Atlanta Falcons, when he played longer than in either of the two previous games and was noticeably fatigued.

He often was breathing heavily and had a difficult time pressuring quarterback Matt Ryan.

"He's looking like he was tired out there," said inside linebacker James Farrior, the defensive captain.

"He's not where he wants to be, he'll tell you that," said linebackers coach Keith Butler. "It's not where he usually is before a season. He's usually in better shape than anybody, but the back surgery slowed him down a little."

Harrison has been somewhat limited with the amount of practice time he has received in training camp because coach Mike Tomlin wants to be careful with his comeback from surgery. That, coupled with a lack of his usual offseason workouts, has left Harrison not in the shape to which he is typically accustomed.

"It fatigues you a lot faster, especially when you're trying to deal with an injury, and it really fatigued me out there, I'm not going to lie," Harrison said. "That's something that comes with the territory."

Harrison likely won't play much, if at all, in the final preseason game Thursday night at Carolina. But to help him get back to his usual conditioning level, Butler said Harrison will get a lot of practice time leading up to the regular-season opener in Baltimore.

But, Harrison is not sure that will be the solution.

"You're not going to get the same speed in practice that you are in a game," said Harrison, who is 33 and entering his eighth NFL season. "You're not going to get the same type of collisions. You're using the preseason games as a way to get into shape. You can run all you want at practice, before practice, after practice, but it's not the same as in a game."

Harrison's plight was never better illustrated than on a play in the second quarter in which he tried to chase Ryan out of the pocket. Harrison looked like he was running at half speed as Ryan got to the sideline for an 8-yard gain to the Steelers 2.

Even Farrior, who was covering Falcons tight end Tony Gonzalez on the play, noticed how Harrison was laboring.

Butler said Harrison looked like he was "running in mud."

"It's just from not playing enough football," Farrior said. "The only way we can get into football shape is to be out there playing. These preseason games we only play so much. Until you start playing with the pads on and the helmet, it's completely different."

Nobody, though, is more frustrated than Harrison.

"It's more trying to get into game shape, trying to get your back to hold up the same as it did on the first play as it will the last play," said Harrison, the 2008 NFL defensive player of the year. "That's something that will come with time. The longer I'm out there, the more I get reps in games, the better it will get.

"We got a lot more plays this week than we did last week, and I feel about the same as I did last week. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but it was a lot more plays this week than last week and I feel about the same, so it's headed in the right direction."

Harrison and outside partner LaMarr Woodley both registered double-digit sacks each of the past three seasons -- the only players in club history to do so. And Harrison has been a fast starter, registering 24 of his 36 1/2 sacks since 2008 in the first eight games of the season.

"I anticipate playing and eventually, yeah, I'll get to full strength," Harrison said. "But, when that will be, I don't know."

Looking ahead

• Game: Steelers at Carolina Panthers in the final preseason game of 2011, Bank of America Stadium, Charlotte, N.C.

• When: 7:30 p.m. Thursday.

• TV: KDKA.

• Inside: Charlie Batch will start at quarterback Thursday vs. Carolina, Page D-5.

"You can run all you want at practice, before practice, after practice, but it's not the same as in a game."

-- James Harrison

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feltdizz
08-31-2011, 09:08 AM
If he admits to not being at full-strength, I don't see the obvious question: Why not sit him? Why put him out there at less than 100% and risk injury? I have no problem with running Woodley/Farrior/Timmons/Worilds or whoever they choose for the first month of the season while Harrison gets back to health in a controlled manner.

I don't think an 85% Harrison needs to sit. He is still more effective than Worilds at 125%.

That guy isn't ready and teams would run all over him because he can't shed a block to save his life right now.

flippy
08-31-2011, 09:23 AM
I'd like to see what Sylvester could do on the outside? He seems to me like he could be a good fit in going after the QB.

RuthlessBurgher
08-31-2011, 10:15 AM
The best medicine for Harrison is game #1 against the Ravens.

He gets to run around this infamous fat guy from the Love Boat:

http://www.sportressofblogitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/bryant-mckinnie.jpg

And wreak this kind of havoc:

http://doubledumbassonyou.com/images/steelers1105.jpg

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200711/20071106pd_steelers1105d_500.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2007/1105/nfl_u_harrison_fumble_200.jpg http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/02_Harrison_IS.jpg

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1101/divisional.weekend/images/james-harrison-ap.jpg

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/823065/80011_aptopix_ravens_steelers_football.jpg

phillyesq
08-31-2011, 11:20 AM
Harrison has always seemed like a guy whose game is very dependant on intensity, and I wonder if part of the preseason is just that he doesn't have the same intensity he would in the regular season.

Even though he hasn't shown much, I'd like to see the Steelers give Worilds a few opportunities to spell Harrison.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
08-31-2011, 11:34 AM
Harrison is a workout warrior and rehabbing his back hasn't allowed him to stay in the condition that he is used to. The comments about his fatigue bear that out. I'll bet that this is a strange feeling for him and one he must get used to.....until he slowly works his conditioning back to where it has to be.

Nothing to indicate that he is having issues with his recovery or age.......just needs to work his way back into shape.

Shoe
08-31-2011, 11:47 AM
I don't think an 85% Harrison needs to sit. He is still more effective than Worilds at 125%.

That guy isn't ready and teams would run all over him because he can't shed a block to save his life right now.

I definitely agree that an 85% Harrison is still better than anything we got. My concern is him getting hurt, by playing when not at full strength. And if they/you don't think Worilds is good enough, put Timmons there for a month and stick Foote inside. In any case, running the ball has been so marginalized, and circumstances also dictate that IMO teams won't run the ball much on us (because they'll have to keep up with our offense, which IS gonna score plenty of points).

hawaiiansteel
08-31-2011, 02:16 PM
In any case, running the ball has been so marginalized, and circumstances also dictate that IMO teams won't run the ball much on us (because they'll have to keep up with our offense, which IS gonna score plenty of points).


I don't agree with this sentence as it pertains to our first game at Baltimore.

the Ravens are definitely going to try and run on us with Ray Rice and Ricky Williams being led by the best blocking fullback in the NFL, Vonta Leach.

and I don't think we're going to be able to score a lot of points against what is still a pretty good Baltimore defense. I hope I'm wrong, but our opener is going to be a real dogfight...

Oviedo
08-31-2011, 02:31 PM
I don't think an 85% Harrison needs to sit. He is still more effective than Worilds at 125%.

That guy isn't ready and teams would run all over him because he can't shed a block to save his life right now.

I definitely agree that an 85% Harrison is still better than anything we got. My concern is him getting hurt, by playing when not at full strength. And if they/you don't think Worilds is good enough, put Timmons there for a month and stick Foote inside. In any case, running the ball has been so marginalized, and circumstances also dictate that IMO teams won't run the ball much on us (because they'll have to keep up with our offense, which IS gonna score plenty of points).

Don't know what % of James Harrison we saw last Saturday night against Atlanta but whatever it was it was totally ineffective.

If JH is really a lesser player then we have some real issues on defense because the only way we can cover for our mediocre secondary is to get to the QB. Lamar Woodley will not be able to take off the first 6-8 games of the season like he normally does before turning it on late and in the playoffs.

RuthlessBurgher
08-31-2011, 03:38 PM
Lamar Woodley will not be able to take off the first 6-8 games of the season like he normally does before turning it on late and in the playoffs.

Like he normally does? Not quite. He's only had a season like your describe ONCE in his career. In the 3 seasons he has been a starter, he's had one year with an awesome first half and a subpar second half, one season with a subpar first half and an awesome second half, and one year with no discernable difference between the quality of his play in each half of the season.

To wit:

In 2008, LaMarr Woodley had 9.5 sacks in the first half of the season, then had 2.0 sacks in the last half of the season.

In 2009, LaMarr Woodley had 2.0 sacks in the first half of the season, then had 11.5 sacks in the last half of the season.

In 2010, LaMarr Woodley had 5.5 sacks in the first half of the season, then had 4.5 sacks in the last half of the season.

fordfixer
08-31-2011, 04:52 PM
The best medicine for Harrison is game #1 against the Ravens.

He gets to run around this infamous fat guy from the Love Boat:

http://www.sportressofblogitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/bryant-mckinnie.jpg

And wreak this kind of havoc:

http://doubledumbassonyou.com/images/steelers1105.jpg

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200711/20071106pd_steelers1105d_500.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2007/1105/nfl_u_harrison_fumble_200.jpg http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/02_Harrison_IS.jpg

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1101/divisional.weekend/images/james-harrison-ap.jpg

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/823065/80011_aptopix_ravens_steelers_football.jpg


I see you are getting your pic's ready for the "wanted man thread" :tt1 :tt1 :tt1

Djfan
09-01-2011, 09:57 AM
Taking Timmons out of the middle is a mistake IMO.

I agree on Sylvester. They guy has a non stop motor by all indications.

hawaiiansteel
09-06-2011, 12:42 AM
Steelers' Harrison says he'll play vs. Ravens

Posted: Monday, September 5, 2011
By Mike Bires mbires@timesonline.com

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James Harrison and coach Mike Tomlin joke around on the first day with pads.

PITTSBURGH - Maybe it’s because the season opener is just six days away. Maybe it’s because it’s Steelers vs. Ravens. For whatever reason, James Harrison has proclaimed himself physically able to do his part Sunday.

“I’m good,” he said Monday after practice. “I’m ready to go. What time do we play?”
When reminded that kickoff at M&T Bank Stadium in Baltimore is 1 p.m., the Steelers’ star outside linebacker said, “I’ll be there. To be honest with you, I’m not worried about my back.”

During the off-season, Harrison had back surgery twice. The first operation in February removed part of a herniated disc in his lower back. The second operation in March was a minor follow-up procedure.

Even though Harrison always expected to make a complete recovery, he admittedly struggled at times during the preseason when it came to conditioning. Just a week ago, he told The Times that he wasn’t 100 percent and feared that he would have to deal with back pain throughout the season.

But now, he says he’s ready to roll. Treatment he gets from the Steelers’ medical team of trainers and doctors makes him feel better, as are acupuncture treatments he’s been getting on his own.

“I always get acupuncture,” Harrison said. “I started doing that last year, and I think that’s really the thing that got me through (the season) with everything that was going on with my back.

“I’m a lot closer than I was two weeks ago, that’s for sure,” he added. “So, I’ll be all right (Sunday).”

Since becoming the starter at right outside linebacker in 2007, Harrison has been a durable performer. He’s only missed one game — the regular-season finale in 2008 when he sat out with a bruised hip. The Steelers, 11-4 at the time, had already clinched first place in the AFC North and a No. 2 playoff seed.

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