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steelerkeylargo
08-20-2011, 01:05 PM
The Colts Jim Irsay is shopping for a QB. The Colts fear Manning won't be ready to start the season. Time to deal Dennis Dixon or Charlie Batch. I would trade Dixon as I think we could get a 4th round pick for him. Batch maybe a 6th or conditional 5th.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
08-20-2011, 01:56 PM
I don't know much of anything, but my gut feeling is that CB is worth something only to us. Not sure that is logical thinking, but it's how I'm thinking!

Dixon ... he played so badly on Thursday I gotta think other teams wouldn't consider him worth too much more than CB, if at all. I thought he was pretty good for us last year? Ouch.

Dee Dub
08-20-2011, 01:58 PM
I dont think the Steelers would get anything for Charlie Batch. Personally I think the Steelers should cut him. He is nothing more than a third stringer and it is time to move on with him.

mshifko
08-20-2011, 02:40 PM
i don't think that dixon played that bad on thursday. he's a better option than curtis painter, imo.

SteelBucks
08-20-2011, 03:15 PM
The Colts Jim Irsay is shopping for a QB. The Colts fear Manning won't be ready to start the season. Time to deal Dennis Dixon or Charlie Batch. I would trade Dixon as I think we could get a 4th round pick for him. Batch maybe a 6th or conditional 5th.

The Steelers wouldn't get anything for Dixon. He reported late to camp because his agent was looking into possible trades. There was no interest, so he's back. I'd get rid of him in a heartbeat if the Colts offered a 4th.

pittpete
08-20-2011, 04:08 PM
I'd get rid of him in a heartbeat if the Colts offered a 4th.
:Agree

steelz09
08-20-2011, 05:14 PM
I'd get rid of him in a heartbeat if the Colts offered a 4th.
:Agree

Agreed. I'd trade Dixon for a 4th in a second.

Go into the season w/ Ben, Leftwich and Batch.

hawaiiansteel
08-20-2011, 05:51 PM
Dixon was a RFA, any team could have signed him in return for a 5th round draft choice and yet no other team did even though Dixon's agent aggressively tried to drum up interest.

we would be lucky to get a 6th or a 7th round pick and a bag of chips for him.

ALLD
08-20-2011, 07:55 PM
Maybe we can trade Dixon for an OL?

Captain Lemming
08-20-2011, 08:04 PM
Dixon was a RFA, any team could have signed him in return for a 5th round draft choice and yet no other team did even though Dixon's agent aggressively tried to drum up interest.

we would be lucky to get a 6th or a 7th round pick and a bag of chips for him.

So true.
If we CUT Dixon, it is 50/50 whether ANYBODY takes him for NO trade.

Batch? Really?
Dude is ANCIENT and was never better than a good backup...even when he was a starter for the Lions. And he is WAY past his prime.

These guys know our system and thus have more value to us than anybody else.

Any trade value here is in peoples imagination.

Just ask any Colts fan if they would do back flips over the news that they go BOTH Batch and Dixon for a 5th.

Last week many here wanted Batch cut.

He has ONE good PRESEASON game against third stringers and the dude is some kinda impressive trade bait?

steelerkeylargo
08-20-2011, 08:37 PM
Dixon was a RFA, any team could have signed him in return for a 5th round draft choice and yet no other team did even though Dixon's agent aggressively tried to drum up interest.

we would be lucky to get a 6th or a 7th round pick and a bag of chips for him.

No RFA's were offered by anyone. It is part of the owner collusion in the NFL. Dixon looked pretty good on Thursday and was obviously being showcased in the second half.

flippy
08-20-2011, 08:38 PM
trade a QB and draft Pryor

Djfan
08-21-2011, 03:31 PM
I would rather have Batch than Dixon. Batch is servicable, knows the system, and is fine being a number 3. Dixon has a greater potential of being a malcontent, IMO. Plus, he just not impressive.

Ben, Lefty, Batch. No worries there.

fezziwig
08-21-2011, 04:34 PM
Dixon is the guy that should be cut. What does he show anyone other than he is young ?

Batch has it all over Dixon in the smarts department and playing skills. Batch never had a good team other than the Steelers to play with so, I wouldn't say he was only as good as a second stringer.

Batch or Leftwich is a no brainer to keep and whomever they picked at #2 or #3 as Bens backup would get no complaints from me.

Guys like Dixon are a dime a dozen in the NFL and I really don't understand how people, Dixon or his agent believe this guy could be a starter in the NFL. What has he shown anyone that makes them believe all that ?

aggiebones
08-21-2011, 06:47 PM
Dixon or Batch will be cut at the end of the preseason. Likely Batch since he won't leave town and will sign on if a QB gets hurt. Steelers likely sliding him money on the side to stay in town.
Dixon might get an offer somewhere and would leave town if cut. So I think we keep Dixon.
If we offer either in a trade, the other team would laugh heartily. We cut Batch last year and noone called. He can run the Steelers O for a coulpe games and looks rusty and limpy while doing it.
He may get an offer if cut, but certainly noone would trade for him.

Captain Lemming
08-21-2011, 07:10 PM
Batch has it all over Dixon in the smarts department and playing skills. Batch never had a good team other than the Steelers to play with so, I wouldn't say he was only as good as a second stringer.

I have no problem with the Batch over Dixon, but Batch as a starter?

I stand by my statement Batch is backup material (actually an ideal backup) even in his prime, even when he started on the Lions.

I agree the dude is smart, makes the most of his LIMITED talent.

Heck I can see him as a coach one day (no talent, overachieving QBs tend to make great coaches).

But really, would you CHOOSE Batch as your starter EVEN IN HIS PRIME? Be honest.

Heck when Kordell was struggling Tommy Maddux, fresh off the produce aisle got the starting job over Batch who WAS in his prime back then.

fezziwig
08-21-2011, 10:43 PM
No.............I don't mean Batch as astarter in this day and age. I think if he had a better team around him back in the day he would have done better but, I guess that goes for any QB.

Obviously I didn't get to watch a whole lot of Batch in his Lion days but just from what I seen of him in spot duty I consider him as good as some qb starters. This is all speculation on my part.

I have to disagree with the other fan when he made the comment that Batch will stick around the city if he is cut. He may very well stick if no one calls him but count on Batch getting snatched if the Steelers release him.

I see less of a chance of Dixon getting the call unless there is an injury to another teams qb. Dixon doesn't stand out to me above any other backup and again, I'm just going on that, I don't hear a lot of hype or negative talk about other backups.

Shoe
08-21-2011, 10:58 PM
No one is offering up a 4th round pick for Dennis Dixon, so you can eliminate that pipe dream from consideration. The BEST we could hope for, for either would probably be a 6th... that's at best... and I'm going to guess it would be for Batch. No one is giving up anything for Dixon.

fezziwig
08-21-2011, 11:09 PM
No one is offering up a 4th round pick for Dennis Dixon, so you can eliminate that pipe dream from consideration. The BEST we could hope for, for either would probably be a 6th... that's at best... and I'm going to guess it would be for Batch. No one is giving up anything for Dixon.



x2

Dixons only experience in the NFL is being a backup with actually very, very little playing time under his belt. He shows me nothing than he scrambles a lot and as I always said, if a quarterback needs to scramble so much he's not much of a QB. or too inexperienced just not to get happy feet because they don't have the mental experience yet.

Dixon very well could be out of the league if the Steelers do cut him.

sentinel33
08-22-2011, 02:01 AM
Is putting Leftwich up to crazy of an idea?

I feel like we could get at least a 4th for leftwich.
If I were Indi I would be lookin at Leftwich and no other QB from Pittsburgh.

I still feel good with Dixon and Batch behind Ben.

fordfixer
08-22-2011, 02:43 AM
On The Steelers: Being best group of backup QBs poses huge problem
Monday, August 22, 2011
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11234/1169013-66-0.stm

If there is a better situation than the one the Steelers have at quarterback, Ben Roethlisberger would like to know it. And he is not speaking about himself.

People can debate all day about where Roethlisberger ranks among starting quarterbacks in the league, but there is little debate about those who back him up. The Steelers have the best, most experienced group of backup quarterbacks in the NFL.

"It kind of amazes me they don't get talked about more than they do because I think we have four capable starters," Roethlisberger said.

Two were young "franchise" quarterbacks with other teams in the league, and all three have started NFL games. Charlie Batch started 46 games in his first four seasons with the Detroit Lions. Byron Leftwich started 38 games in his first three seasons with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Each has passed for more than 10,000 yards. Dennis Dixon started two games during Roethlisberger's suspension last season, and the Steelers won them both.

"[With] a lot of teams you hear people say, 'Oh, my God, we would never survive if Peyton Manning went down' or Tom Brady or something like that," Roethlisberger said. "We can not only survive, we can thrive and win."

And did. The Steelers went 3-1 while Roethlisberger served his four-game suspension last season behind Dixon (2-0) and Batch (1-1) after Leftwich, signed to be No. 2, fell to a knee injury in the final preseason game.

The only problem facing the Steelers about their backup quarterback situation is deciding which one will go. Leftwich again has a lock on No. 2, so it comes down to Dixon or Batch. The Steelers have long had good, capable backup quarterbacks, but they never have had the kind of quality and experience from one through three -- never mind four -- at the position.

Leftwich has started games for three NFL teams (Jacksonville, Atlanta and Tampa Bay). Surprisingly, he has not started a game for the Steelers. He backed up Roethlisberger for the 2008 Super Bowl season after a knee injury put Batch on the shelf in training camp. He left as a free agent to join Tampa Bay as the Buccaneers starter, but that ultimately did not work out and he re-signed in 2010 to back up Roethlisberger.

"I feel better this year than I did last year because I know the system so well now I'm not thinking about it, I can just go out and play and react," Leftwich said.

As with Batch in Detroit, Leftwich started quickly in Jacksonville after the Jaguars made him the seventh overall draft pick in 2003 from Marshall. An injury and new staffs brought his tenure there to a close in 2006. After that, the road swerved through Atlanta to Pittsburgh to Tampa and back to Pittsburgh and, at 31, Leftwich could remain as Roethlisberger's backup for a long time if he wants.

"He can start on more than half the teams, in my opinion," Roethlisberger said. "I think he wants to stay here because he loves the organization. If he stays the backup, he's one of the best. I felt the same thing about Charlie forever. I think Charlie could start for a lot of teams."

Roethlisberger, who has started 98 games in his career, has the advantage of two wise old advisors with 101 NFL starts between them (Leftwich and Batch) when he comes to the sideline.

"I've been very blessed since the day I got here to have great quarterbacks in that [meeting] room," Roethlisberger said.

"When I come off the field, those are the first guys who grab me and talk to me. As a quarterback, you feel better having guys like that [that] you can talk to because you trust what he sees rather than have a rookie who does not know much."
Quick hits

• Terrelle Pryor, eligible for the supplemental draft today, spent two hours visiting with Steelers officials and coach Mike Tomlin after practice Sunday.

• Aaron Smith said he hopes to resume practicing Tuesday after missing much of the past 1 1/2 weeks with a swollen knee. Smith played in the first preseason game but has not practiced since. Smith wants to play Saturday against Atlanta at Heinz Field.

• Cornerback Bryant McFadden also said he hopes to return to play against the Falcons. He has had a slight tear of his hamstring since the first week of training camp.

• With Keyaron Fox gone (Washington Redskins), the Steelers have an opening for one or two young linebackers to join their veteran, Pro Bowl-clogged group. Two favorites: rookie Chris Carter, their fifth-round pick, on the outside and Gateway High product Mortty Ivy on the inside. They started with nine last season and dropped to eight after they waived Thaddeus Gibson.

• Rookie offensive tackle Marcus Gilbert did not take long to return from his knee injury. He could start at left tackle Saturday if Jonathan Scott does not return to practice by Wednesday, although Tomlin said Scott would miss only a few days with his minor knee injury.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11234/11 ... z1VjmkDb3K (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11234/1169013-66-0.stm#ixzz1VjmkDb3K)

feltdizz
08-22-2011, 08:55 AM
• Aaron Smith said he hopes to resume practicing Tuesday after missing much of the past 1 1/2 weeks with a swollen knee. Smith played in the first preseason game but has not practiced since. Smith wants to play Saturday against Atlanta at Heinz Field.


what about Smith and Batch? :stirpot

Seriously though.... Why the hell would the Colts want Dixon? They already have a kid who looks bad when he drops back to pass.

Batch is valuable to us but he isn't on anyone's radar. Damn shame about Smith... the guy can't stay healthy.

phillyesq
08-22-2011, 09:17 AM
I'd get rid of him in a heartbeat if the Colts offered a 4th.
:Agree

Agreed. I'd trade Dixon for a 4th in a second.

Go into the season w/ Ben, Leftwich and Batch.

I'd go back to Pittsburgh and help him pack if the Steelers got a 4th for Dixon.

As long as Leftwich and Batch make it through the preseason in one piece, Dixon will probably be cut. He's fine as a #3 qb, but that's it. No way a team is going to want him as a starter, especially a team like the Colts. The Colts don't have a great running game and Dixon would have no time in the system.

He may spend a few weeks with the Colts as a backup, or maybe he'll bounce to another team as a third stringer, but Dixon is not going to bring a fourth, especially since, as mentioned before, nobody was willing to part with a 5th for him.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
08-22-2011, 11:48 AM
Dixon would have no value to a team like Indy. They are looking for someone to keep their seat warm, not a starter to cater an attack to. Batch or Lefty would be more down their alley.

For Dixon, you have to look for a team that needs a starter because he has a unique skill set. A team would have to bring him in and build an offense around him. I think that he would find very few interested takers.

Oviedo
08-22-2011, 12:07 PM
I'd get rid of him in a heartbeat if the Colts offered a 4th.
:Agree

Agreed. I'd trade Dixon for a 4th in a second.

Go into the season w/ Ben, Leftwich and Batch.

I'd go back to Pittsburgh and help him pack if the Steelers got a 4th for Dixon.

As long as Leftwich and Batch make it through the preseason in one piece, Dixon will probably be cut. He's fine as a #3 qb, but that's it. No way a team is going to want him as a starter, especially a team like the Colts. The Colts don't have a great running game and Dixon would have no time in the system.

He may spend a few weeks with the Colts as a backup, or maybe he'll bounce to another team as a third stringer, but Dixon is not going to bring a fourth, especially since, as mentioned before, nobody was willing to part with a 5th for him.

You won't be going to Pittsburgh because what some people won't accept is that NO ONE wants Dixon other than as a third string QB who except in an emergency you never need to put on the field. He has zero value beyond that.

Captain Lemming
08-23-2011, 12:58 AM
I'd get rid of him in a heartbeat if the Colts offered a 4th.
:Agree

Agreed. I'd trade Dixon for a 4th in a second.

Go into the season w/ Ben, Leftwich and Batch.

I would demand a FIRST in two consecutive drafts for Dixon and no less.

Since we are already talking a fantasy scenario that will never happen because NO ONE would trade a fourth for him....
We might as well shoot for the moon!!!! :D

ikestops85
08-23-2011, 03:45 PM
I'd get rid of him in a heartbeat if the Colts offered a 4th.
:Agree

Agreed. I'd trade Dixon for a 4th in a second.

Go into the season w/ Ben, Leftwich and Batch.

I'd go back to Pittsburgh and help him pack if the Steelers got a 4th for Dixon.

As long as Leftwich and Batch make it through the preseason in one piece, Dixon will probably be cut. He's fine as a #3 qb, but that's it. No way a team is going to want him as a starter, especially a team like the Colts. The Colts don't have a great running game and Dixon would have no time in the system.

He may spend a few weeks with the Colts as a backup, or maybe he'll bounce to another team as a third stringer, but Dixon is not going to bring a fourth, especially since, as mentioned before, nobody was willing to part with a 5th for him.

You won't be going to Pittsburgh because what some people won't accept is that NO ONE wants Dixon other than as a third string QB who except in an emergency you never need to put on the field. He has zero value beyond that.

You just never know. I remember last year when Seattle gave SD a 3rd for Charlie Whitehurst. :shock:

Lets clock Dixon at 4.35 and dangle him in front of Al Davis. :lol:

hawaiiansteel
08-26-2011, 09:13 PM
Gerry: Are Steelers showcasing Dixon?

FRIDAY, 26 AUGUST 2011 WRITTEN BY GERRY DULAC


Ben Roethlisberger and Byron Leftwich will get most of the snaps tomorrow night against the Falcons, with Roethlisberger scheduled to play the entire first half and Leftwich coming on in the third quarter

It is unlikely veteran Charlie Batch will play much in the game, if at all, because the Steelers want to use Dennis Dixon to relieve Leftwich.

Does that mean Batch, who is 36, is on his way out?

No, on the contrary. It actually could mean that the Steelers are trying to showcase Dixon with the hope of making a trade for him before the final cutdown on Sept. 3.

All three of the Steelers’ backup quarterbacks are unrestricted free agents at the end of the year, and Leftwich appears content to remain with the team as the No. 2 quarterback. But Dixon, who enters his fourth season, wants to go to a team where he has a chance to play – or, at the very least, be a No. 2 quarterback. So it is unlikely he will re-sign with the Steelers after the 2011 season, anyway.

Unless there is an injury before the final cut, expect Batch, not Dixon, to be the team’s No. 3 quarterback in 2011.

http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/inde ... sing-dixon (http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/pro-sports/steelers/111408-gerry-are-steelers-showcasing-dixon)

DukieBoy
08-26-2011, 09:25 PM
I'd get rid of him in a heartbeat if the Colts offered a 4th.
:Agree

Agreed. I'd trade Dixon for a 4th in a second.

Go into the season w/ Ben, Leftwich and Batch.

I'd go back to Pittsburgh and help him pack if the Steelers got a 4th for Dixon.

As long as Leftwich and Batch make it through the preseason in one piece, Dixon will probably be cut. He's fine as a #3 qb, but that's it. No way a team is going to want him as a starter, especially a team like the Colts. The Colts don't have a great running game and Dixon would have no time in the system.

He may spend a few weeks with the Colts as a backup, or maybe he'll bounce to another team as a third stringer, but Dixon is not going to bring a fourth, especially since, as mentioned before, nobody was willing to part with a 5th for him.

A 4th for Dixon? That's like a second for Alonzo Jackson.