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Slapstick
07-29-2011, 04:44 PM
There seems to be a lot of hand wringing about the O-Line...

From left to right (as of today, acknowledging injuries):

Jonathan Scott - Doug Legursky - Maurkice Pouncey - Ramon Foster - Willie Colon

This line may not inspire oodles of confidence by looking at the names, but it does not fill me with trepidation as it may many of you...

If this line can remain healthy and develop some continuity, I have no problem with it as it currently stands...

The only player who hasn't started a Super Bowl on this line is the only onw who went to a Pro Bowl...

hawaiiansteel
07-29-2011, 04:51 PM
yes, at this point our offensive line is truly offensive.

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flippy
07-29-2011, 04:52 PM
There seems to be a lot of hand wringing about the O-Line...

From left to right (as of today, acknowledging injuries):

Jonathan Scott - Doug Legursky - Maurkice Pouncey - Ramon Foster - Willie Colon

This line may not inspire oodles of confidence by looking at the names, but it does not fill me with trepidation as it may many of you...

If this line can remain healthy and develop some continuity, I have no problem with it as it currently stands...

The only player who hasn't started a Super Bowl on this line is the only onw who went to a Pro Bowl...

I agree.

hawaiiansteel
07-29-2011, 05:27 PM
Cook: It's a good day for offensive line

Friday, July 29, 2011
By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


Max Starks for Willie Colon and Jonathan Scott? That's a pretty good trade for the Steelers. It made for a terrific Thursday for general manager Kevin Colbert and coach Mike Tomlin.

The day began with news that Starks -- a starter on the Steelers' Super Bowl-winning teams in 2005 and '08 -- had been released. It came as a bit of a surprise because of the team's tenuous depth on the offensive line. "We don't have [a left tackle] today . . . " Tomlin acknowledged shortly after his men gathered on the St. Vincent College lawn for a brief conditioning session and the official start of a training camp that seemed in doubt earlier this month because of the NFL lockout.

That's tenuous, for sure.

But Tomlin knew Colbert had -- or at least was close to -- new deals with Colon and Scott. Colon was considered the Steelers' best lineman before he tore an Achilles tendon last summer and before rookie center Maurkice Pouncey emerged as a Pro Bowl player and a key part of another Super Bowl team. Scott, a man of many positions, did a decent job filling in for Starks after Starks went down and out for the season with a neck injury in early November.

As for Starks, he was expendable because he had a huge contract at a time the Steelers had to shed salary to squeeze under the NFL cap. He is coming off surgery. There also were whispers that he isn't in the best of shape.

"We won't get into specifics," Tomlin said when asked about releasing not just Starks, but also wideout Antwaan Randle El.

But, hey, the coach did wish Big Max and El well.

Is it just me or do you wonder, too, if the boss -- any boss -- really means it when he wishes a guy well as he shows him the door?

But I did believe Tomlin when he made a promise:

"We will have [a left tackle] tomorrow."

That looks to be Scott, at least for now. It's hard to think about climbing a mountain and shouting from the top about that, but he appears to be the Steelers' best option. It's possible the team could try to re-sign Starks at a much lower price, but that's unlikely because he should attract considerable interest around the league.

One guy who won't be in the mix for the left tackle spot is veteran Flozell Adams, who was released this morning. He played 12 seasons at left tackle with the Dallas Cowboys before joining the Steelers last summer and switching to the right side. He saved their season after Colon's injury.

Adams, who reported Thursday but wasn't available for comment, couldn't have been happy with the Colon signing. He had talked about retiring if he wasn't going to be a starter. It's not known if Colbert went to him Thursday night and asked him to take considerably less as a backup than the $5 million he was to make this season and he refused, but that scenario wouldn't have been surprising. Regardless, it's unfortunate for the team that Adams is gone because its tackle depth now appears to be Chris Scott, a fifth-round draft choice in 2010, and Marcus Gilbert, its second-round pick this spring.

As the Steelers found out last season, you never can have too many offensive linemen.

Adams was the only Steelers lineman to start every game last season, although Pouncey missed just the Super Bowl. Adams, Pouncey and left guard Chris Kemoeatu were the only linemen to play exclusively at their positions. Jonathan Scott played both tackles and left guard. Ramon Foster played both guards and right tackle. Doug Legursky played center and both guards and took the occasional rep as a blocking fullback. Trai Essex, who is a free agent and is not expected back, played every position but center.

The Steelers could have used one more season from Adams. Oh, well. That they won't have him is just another example of the reality of the NFL salary-cap system.

Pouncey is set at center. Kemoeatu, Foster and Legursky should battle it out for the two guard spots. Kemoeatu, who will start camp on the physically-unable-to-perform list after showing up with swelling on a knee, had better not miss too much time.

No matter how the Steelers' offensive line takes shape between now and the Sept. 11 opener at Baltimore, a lot of people are going to complain about it. That's what they do here. It's always baffled me how the line is supposed to be so bad season after season, yet the team went to three Super Bowls in the past six years and won two.

Offensive line coach Sean Kugler performed magic in his first season with the Steelers last year, constantly shuffling players to fill the injury holes. Word at the team's camp compound is that he did not -- repeat: did not -- take stupid pills during the off-season. The line should be good enough again even if Jonathan Scott is the left tackle. Colon is a strong addition. The line won't be the NFL's best, but it will be better than a lot of people are going to say it is.

It's always better than they say it is.

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pittpete
07-29-2011, 05:59 PM
It's always baffled me how the line is supposed to be so bad season after season, yet the team went to three Super Bowls in the past six years and won two.

Chadman
07-29-2011, 06:32 PM
but it will be better than a lot of people are going to say it is.

Ron Cook channel;s his inner-Cowher. If he had just added "they are not as good as they think tey are" it would be complete.

I agree though- the line will be ok.

hawaiiansteel
07-30-2011, 06:08 PM
2010 Steelers Offensive Line Grades

Posted on July 29, 2011 by JJ


With training camp starting up, here’s a review of how the Steelers’ offensive lineman did in 2010. It’s all pulled from the weekly offensive line reviews during the season. Sorry, but thanks to Christmas, there is no writeup of the Browns’ game, and I didn’t break down the Super Bowl.

But otherwise, here’s the grades I put together by watching each lineman on each snap of the 2010 season.


Flozell Adams

Opponent Defense Week Good Snap Total Snaps Pct.
Atlanta 4-3 1 47 61 77.05%
Tennessee 4-3 2 36 39 92.31%
Tampa Bay 4-3 3 32 35 91.43%
Baltimore Hybrid 4 44 56 78.57%
Cleveland 3-4 5 48 56 85.70%
Miami 3-4 6 20 25 80.00%
New Orleans 4-3 7 35 45 77.78%
Cincinnati 4-3 8 45 57 78.95%
New England Hybrid 9 52 63 82.50%
Oakland 4-3 10 59 66 89.39%
Buffalo 4-3 11 80 90 88.90%
Baltimore Hybrid 12 39 49 79.60%
Cincinnati 4-3 13 54 67 80.60%
Jets 3-4 14 63 70 90.00%
Carolina 4-3 15 56 64 87.50%
Baltimore 4-3 18 23 31 74.19%
Jets 3-4 19 48 60 80.00%
Overall 781 934 83.62%

Ramon Foster

Opponent Defense Foster
Atlanta 4-3 1
Tennessee 4-3 2
Tampa Bay 4-3 3 17 19 89.47%
Baltimore Hybrid 4 2 2 100.00%
Cleveland 3-4 5 7 8 87.50%
Miami 3-4 6 11 14 78.57%
New Orleans 4-3 7
Cincinnati 4-3 8
New England Hybrid 9 73 76 96.10%
Oakland 4-3 10 51 66 77.27%
Buffalo 4-3 11 75 90 83.30%
Baltimore Hybrid 12 49 66 74.20%
Cincinnati 4-3 13 57 67 85.07%
Jets 3-4 14 64 69 92.75%
Carolina 4-3 15 57 68 83.82%
Baltimore 4-3 18 55 69 79.71%
Jets 3-4 19 47 60 78.33%
Foster 565 674 83.83%

Trai Essex

Opponent Defense Foster Good Snaps Total Snaps Pct
Atlanta 4-3 1 55 60 91.67%
Tennessee 4-3 2 46 55 83.64%
Tampa Bay 4-3 3
Baltimore Hybrid 4
Cleveland 3-4 5
Miami 3-4 6
New Orleans 4-3 7 42 52 80.77%
Cincinnati 4-3 8 40 58 68.97%
New England Hybrid 9 63 76 82.90%
Oakland 4-3 10 10 18 55.56%
Buffalo 4-3 11 7 9 77.80%
Baltimore Hybrid 12 15 17 88.20%
Cincinnati 4-3 13 3 4 75.00%
Jets 3-4 14 14 14 100.00%
Carolina 4-3 15
Baltimore 4-3 18 31 39 79.49%
Jets 3-4 19 0 1 0.00%
Overall 326 403 80.89%

Chris Kemoeatu

Opponent Defense Week Good Snaps Total Snaps Pct
Atlanta 4-3 1 53 60 88.33%
Tennessee 4-3 2 41 53 77.36%
Tampa Bay 4-3 3 36 38 94.74%
Baltimore Hybrid 4 49 56 87.50%
Cleveland 3-4 5 50 59 84.70%
Miami 3-4 6 45 56 80.36%
New Orleans 4-3 7 41 52 78.85%
Cincinnati 4-3 8 13 16 81.25%
New England Hybrid 9
Oakland 4-3 10 39 52 75.00%
Buffalo 4-3 11 66 90 73.30%
Baltimore Hybrid 12 49 65 75.40%
Cincinnati 4-3 13 58 67 86.57%
Jets 3-4 14 65 69 94.20%
Carolina 4-3 15 47 63 74.60%
Baltimore 4-3 18 61 69 88.41%
Jets 3-4 19 45 60 75.00%
Overall 758 925 81.95%

Maurkice Pouncey

Opponent Defense Week Good Snaps Total Snaps Pct
Atlanta 4-3 1 57 60 95.00%
Tennessee 4-3 2 46 55 83.64%
Tampa Bay 4-3 3 41 46 89.13%
Baltimore Hybrid 4 44 55 80.00%
Cleveland 3-4 5 57 62 91.90%
Miami 3-4 6 46 56 82.14%
New Orleans 4-3 7 44 52 84.62%
Cincinnati 4-3 8 38 47 80.85%
New England Hybrid 9 69 76 90.90%
Oakland 4-3 10 34 38 89.47%
Buffalo 4-3 11 74 90 82.20%
Baltimore Hybrid 12 52 65 80.00%
Cincinnati 4-3 13 60 67 89.55%
Jets 3-4 14 65 69 94.20%
Carolina 4-3 15 56 68 82.35%
Baltimore 4-3 18 57 69 82.61%
Jets 3-4 19 14 15 93.33%
Overall 854 990 86.26%

Jonathan Scott

Opponent Defense Week Good Snaps Total Snaps Pct
Atlanta 4-3 1 16 19 84.21%
Tennessee 4-3 2 41 48 85.42%
Tampa Bay 4-3 3 18 19 94.74%
Baltimore Hybrid 4
Cleveland 3-4 5 5 7 71.40%
Miami 3-4 6 24 31 77.42%
New Orleans 4-3 7 5 7 71.43%
Cincinnati 4-3 8 35 42 83.33%
New England Hybrid 9 58 76 76.30%
Oakland 4-3 10 48 61 78.69%
Buffalo 4-3 11 77 92 83.70%
Baltimore Hybrid 12 48 65 73.90%
Cincinnati 4-3 13 51 67 76.12%
Jets 3-4 14 51 57 89.47%
Carolina 4-3 15 45 66 68.18%
Baltimore 4-3 18 52 64 81.25%
Jets 3-4 19 54 60 90.00%
Overall 628 781 80.41%

Max Starks

Opponent Defense Week Good Snaps Total Snaps Pct
Atlanta 4-3 1 37 41 90.24%
Tennessee 4-3 2 32 38 84.21%
Tampa Bay 4-3 3 50 55 90.91%
Baltimore Hybrid 4 50 63 79.40%
Cleveland 3-4 5 47 57 82.46%
Miami 3-4 6 47 52 90.38%
New Orleans 4-3 7 21 26 80.77%
Cincinnati 4-3 8
New England Hybrid 9
Oakland 4-3 10
Buffalo 4-3 11
Baltimore Hybrid 12
Cincinnati 4-3 13
Jets 3-4 14
Carolina 4-3 15
Baltimore 4-3 18
Jets 3-4 19
Overall 284 332 85.54%

Doug Legursky

Opponent Defense Week Good Snaps Total Snaps Pct
Atlanta 4-3 1
Tennessee 4-3 2 11 12 91.67%
Tampa Bay 4-3 3 29 33 87.88%
Baltimore Hybrid 4 43 55 78.18%
Cleveland 3-4 5 49 59 83.10%
Miami 3-4 6 32 42 76.19%
New Orleans 4-3 7 1 2 50.00%
Cincinnati 4-3 8 34 42 80.95%
New England Hybrid 9
Oakland 4-3 10 19 26 73.08%
Buffalo 4-3 11
Baltimore Hybrid 12
Cincinnati 4-3 13
Jets 3-4 14
Carolina 4-3 15
Baltimore 4-3 18 8 9 88.89%
Jets 3-4 19 27 47 57.45%
Overall 253 327 77.37%

Tony Hills

Opponent Defense Week Good Snaps Total Snaps Pct
Atlanta 4-3 1
Tennessee 4-3 2 14 25 56.00%
Tampa Bay 4-3 3
Baltimore Hybrid 4
Cleveland 3-4 5
Miami 3-4 6
New Orleans 4-3 7
Cincinnati 4-3 8
New England Hybrid 9
Oakland 4-3 10
Buffalo 4-3 11
Baltimore Hybrid 12
Cincinnati 4-3 13
Jets 3-4 14
Carolina 4-3 15
Baltimore 4-3 18
Jets 3-4 19
14 25 56.00%

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