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MadSteel
07-04-2011, 12:19 AM
Tom Brady named top player on NFL Network countdown

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 3, 2011, 9:55 PM EDT

Congratulations if you bet that NFL Network’s Top 100 Series would end before the lockout did.

The Top 10 players as voted by the players were revealed on Sunday night over the span of two hours, with another hour devoted to discussion. You could watch all that or view the top ten players below, with our unsolicited comments under each one:

10. Julius Peppers, defensive end, Chicago Bears.

We agree with DeMarcus Ware; the Cowboys pass rusher should have been ranked higher. Still, Peppers belongs in the top ten.

9. Drew Brees, quarterback, New Orleans Saints.

This is a sign that fellow players still don’t quite view Brees in the same echelon as Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. We’re surprised Brees wasn’t higher, although he didn’t have his best year in 2010.

8. Darrelle Revis, cornerback, New York Jets.

He’s the highest cornerback on the list. We don’t think there’s much of a gap between him and Nnamdi Asomugha, but Revis belongs in the top ten.

7. Andre Johnson, wide receiver, Houston Texans.

A.J. has set himself apart as the very best at his position. Hard to argue with this one.

6. Troy Polamalu, safety, Pittsburgh Steelers.

He’s coming off an uneven season despite winning the defensive player of the year award. (Yes, there was a long stretch of good, not great play. Even Polamalu would admit it wasn’t his best year.) At his best, no defensive player impacts the game more.

5. Ed Reed, safety, Baltimore Ravens.

Reed ranking this high was a clear sign players considered more than 2010 numbers. Reed missed the first six games of the year; there’s just no way he was more valuable than someone like Revis last season. We suspect his Miami buddies stuffed the ballot box.

Speaking of which . . .

4. Ray Lewis, middle linebacker, Baltimore Ravens.

He can make a case for the greatest linebacker of all-time. His incredible renaissance the last few years puts his career at another level.

With that said, he might be the fourth best defender on his team at this point behind Haloti Ngata, Terrell Suggs, and Reed. Instead, he was ranked as the best defender in the league. It’s a joke he’s 37 spots ahead of someone like Ben Roethlisberger.

3. Adrian Peterson, running back, Minnesota Vikings.

Peterson quietly had a MVP-caliber season in 2010; his teammates just didn’t help him. We’re not sure any running back should be this far ahead of top-five quarterbacks, but Peterson is the gold standard.

2. Peyton Manning, quarterback, Colts.

On one hand, he is the Colts offense. On the other hand, he threw for fewer yards-per-pass last year than he did since his rookie season. Manning didn’t have much help in 2010, but he doesn’t belong No.1 coming off a somewhat down year.

1. Tom Brady, quarterback, Patriots.

Based on 2010, there’s no doubt Brady deserves the top spot over Manning. He led the league in touchdowns, touchdown rate, interception rate, adjusted yards-per-attempt, and quarterback rating. That all came with a young, ever-evolving group around him.

It’s safe to say he’s recovered from that torn ACL.

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papillon
07-04-2011, 07:49 AM
Tom Brady named top player on NFL Network countdown

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 3, 2011, 9:55 PM EDT

Congratulations if you bet that NFL Network’s Top 100 Series would end before the lockout did.

The Top 10 players as voted by the players were revealed on Sunday night over the span of two hours, with another hour devoted to discussion. You could watch all that or view the top ten players below, with our unsolicited comments under each one:

10. Julius Peppers, defensive end, Chicago Bears.

We agree with DeMarcus Ware; the Cowboys pass rusher should have been ranked higher. Still, Peppers belongs in the top ten.

9. Drew Brees, quarterback, New Orleans Saints.

This is a sign that fellow players still don’t quite view Brees in the same echelon as Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. We’re surprised Brees wasn’t higher, although he didn’t have his best year in 2010.

8. Darrelle Revis, cornerback, New York Jets.

He’s the highest cornerback on the list. We don’t think there’s much of a gap between him and Nnamdi Asomugha, but Revis belongs in the top ten.

7. Andre Johnson, wide receiver, Houston Texans.

A.J. has set himself apart as the very best at his position. Hard to argue with this one.

6. Troy Polamalu, safety, Pittsburgh Steelers.

He’s coming off an uneven season despite winning the defensive player of the year award. (Yes, there was a long stretch of good, not great play. Even Polamalu would admit it wasn’t his best year.) At his best, no defensive player impacts the game more.

5. Ed Reed, safety, Baltimore Ravens.

Reed ranking this high was a clear sign players considered more than 2010 numbers. Reed missed the first six games of the year; there’s just no way he was more valuable than someone like Revis last season. We suspect his Miami buddies stuffed the ballot box.

Speaking of which . . .

4. Ray Lewis, middle linebacker, Baltimore Ravens.

He can make a case for the greatest linebacker of all-time. His incredible renaissance the last few years puts his career at another level.

With that said, he might be the fourth best defender on his team at this point behind Haloti Ngata, Terrell Suggs, and Reed. Instead, he was ranked as the best defender in the league. It’s a joke he’s 37 spots ahead of someone like Ben Roethlisberger.

3. Adrian Peterson, running back, Minnesota Vikings.

Peterson quietly had a MVP-caliber season in 2010; his teammates just didn’t help him. We’re not sure any running back should be this far ahead of top-five quarterbacks, but Peterson is the gold standard.

2. Peyton Manning, quarterback, Colts.

On one hand, he is the Colts offense. On the other hand, he threw for fewer yards-per-pass last year than he did since his rookie season. Manning didn’t have much help in 2010, but he doesn’t belong No.1 coming off a somewhat down year.

1. Tom Brady, quarterback, Patriots.

Based on 2010, there’s no doubt Brady deserves the top spot over Manning. He led the league in touchdowns, touchdown rate, interception rate, adjusted yards-per-attempt, and quarterback rating. That all came with a young, ever-evolving group around him.

It’s safe to say he’s recovered from that torn ACL.

http://www.profootballtalk.com

Personally, I don't see how a defender gets put in the top 10 at all with the rule changes to favor the offense there's no way I'd take a great defender over a good to great quarterback if I were starting a team and I had my choice. I know guys like Polamalu, Reed, Peppers, Revis, Asomougha, Ware can change a game, but a quarterback can change the game on any given snap and has the ball in his hands. Defenders can be avoided by good quarterbacks and made to be irrelevant in a game.

If I were starting a team and was given a pick to start the team one of the guys below would be my pick before even the best defender in the league.

Roethlisberger
Brady
Rivers
Rogers
Manning, Peyton
Ryan
Vick
Shaub
Cutler
Freeman

It's a quarterback's league and becoming more so every time a new rule is instituted. Regardless, of how fearsome, how savvy, how non-stop a defensive player is, that player can't control a game to the extent that a quarterback can and, because of that fact, my top 10 would be quarterbacks.

Pappy

hawaiiansteel
07-04-2011, 03:06 PM
The ‘Top 100? comes down to Brady-Manning

By nfldotcom
Published: July 3rd, 2011


Ladies and gentlemen, we have our king.

On Sunday night, NFL players crowned their No. 1 on the NFL Network’s “The Top 100 Players of 2011,” a 10-week voyage that generated as much controversy as it did consensus before coming down to yet another battle between Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.

This time around, it was Brady’s hour. The Patriots three-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback edged out Manning (No. 2), with Vikings running back Adrian Peterson (No. 3) and a pair of Ravens — linebacker Ray Lewis (No. 4) and safety Ed Reed (No. 5) — rounding out the top five.

Few can deny Brady’s career arc, but it was last year’s NFL MVP himself who suggested Manning is the game’s best passer.

“To me, he’s the greatest of all time,” Brady told NFL Network’s Lindsey Soto by phone on the “Top 100 Players of 2011 Reactions” show Sunday night.

“He’s a friend of mine, and someone that I always watch and admire, because he always wants to improve, he always wants to get better, and he doesn’t settle for anything less than the best. So, when you watch the best and you’re able to learn from the best, hopefully that helps me get better.”

NFL Network analyst Deion Sanders had Brady ranked as his No. 1 and applauded the players’ vote, saying: “This list here, the players got the No. 1 pick right … he does it with less.”

Brady talked about his No. 1 ranking, saying it was an honor to be recognized by his teammates and the players he competes against.

“It’s very flattering,” Brady said. “I’ve been, I think, very fortunate over the years to play with an incredible organization and an incredible group of players. And this year was, really, a great year for our team, you know, in the regular season, and we accomplished some great things.

“The thing that I love about football and I’ve always loved, which I think draws each player in the NFL to this game, is that it’s a team sport. So, you know, every teammate that I’ve ever had, the teammates that I’ve had this year … nobody would really accomplish anything without the help of every single guy on that team and every coach.

“It’s very flattering, like I said, but ultimately, I give all of the thanks to teammates past and present. They’re what really makes this game special for me.”

Steelers safety Troy Polamalu (No. 6), Texans wideout Andre Johnson (No. 7), Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis (No. 8), Saints quarterback Drew Brees (No. 9) and Bears defensive end Julius Peppers (No. 10) completed the top 10.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/07/03/the-top ... y-manning/ (http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/07/03/the-top-100-comes-down-to-brady-manning/)

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
07-04-2011, 10:11 PM
Is it just me or does almost every Reed int come off of a tipped ball that just bounces up and lands gently in his waiting hands. Meanwhile every Troy int seems to come off of a leaping type of come out of nowhere play....the high jump in the Titans game in which he ended up getting hurt, the fingertip dive against the Chargers, the out of nowhere picks against the Ravens and Bengals - one in which he even trucked over his old roommate Carson. :lol:

Don't get me wrong, I think that Reed is the best traditional FS in the game, but what Troy does is out of the ordinary, and I haven't even gotten into his LOS leaps, his sneak past two blockers types of backwards tackles, his charging like a missile into the backfield to take down runners etc.

I don't get the debate.

winwithd
07-05-2011, 12:12 AM
Thank you for noticing. I thought it was just me. Its always seemed that way to me. His teammates make him better not the other way around.

Anyone catch Deion Sanders on NFL.com saying that one of the reasons he rates Reed over Troy is because a great player cant be exposed or exploited by the other team and that is what happened in the Superbowl to Troy. He said if you compare the stats it isnt even close cause Reed has so many more INTs. One of Deion's stated criteria was the ability to play through injury. Didn't Reed miss half the season with a sore hip and Troy played through the playoffs on an injured leg. Then he rates Ray Lewis at #2 on his own personal list and when giving his reasons for rating Lewis over Manning included in his list of reasons that he is a great man and a good friend of mine.

Its hard to believe he is really that dumb. By the way, how is it that the Ravens can have THE TOP 2 defenders in the entire league plus Ngata and Suggs whom I believe were also on the list and cannot stop an offense which only has one player (#41) on the list. The other seven on that defense must REALLY suck. Lewis at #4 was nothing more than a lifetime achievement award like when the baseball fans vote has-beens into the All-Star when they are past their prime.

And I'd take Ben over Marsha any day. He continues to be the most overrated player in the NFL. Although I am not surprised he was voted #1 since its been happening for a while now, he might belong in the top 20. But Ray Lewis does not even belong in the top 50, so he might actually be more overrated than Marsha in this poll. Marsha is the recipient of an outstanding line and an offense and system built specifically for him. Get some pressure on him and he is about average. Look at SB 41?? and what happened when the Giants got to him. 14pts. wow.

hawaiiansteel
07-05-2011, 01:59 AM
Anyone catch Deion Sanders on NFL.com saying that one of the reasons he rates Reed over Troy is because a great player cant be exposed or exploited by the other team and that is what happened in the Superbowl to Troy. He said if you compare the stats it isnt even close cause Reed has so many more INTs. One of Deion's stated criteria was the ability to play through injury. Didn't Reed miss half the season with a sore hip and Troy played through the playoffs on an injured leg. Then he rates Ray Lewis at #2 on his own personal list and when giving his reasons for rating Lewis over Manning included in his list of reasons that he is a great man and a good friend of mine.

Its hard to believe he is really that dumb.


I find it rather easy to believe that Deion Sanders is really that dumb...

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0414/pg2_a_sanders_400.jpg

Discipline of Steel
07-05-2011, 07:10 AM
Anyone catch Deion Sanders on NFL.com saying that one of the reasons he rates Reed over Troy is because a great player cant be exposed or exploited by the other team and that is what happened in the Superbowl to Troy. He said if you compare the stats it isnt even close cause Reed has so many more INTs. One of Deion's stated criteria was the ability to play through injury. Didn't Reed miss half the season with a sore hip and Troy played through the playoffs on an injured leg. Then he rates Ray Lewis at #2 on his own personal list and when giving his reasons for rating Lewis over Manning included in his list of reasons that he is a great man and a good friend of mine.

Its hard to believe he is really that dumb.


I find it rather easy to believe that Deion Sanders is really that dumb...

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0414/pg2_a_sanders_400.jpg

Ugggh. Please dont put that picture up anymore. The less i hear/see about him the better.

feltdizz
07-05-2011, 12:06 PM
I kind of agree with Neon when it comes to Troy getting exposed. Troy gambles and guesses a lot which leaves him out of position.

These rankings aren't based on 2010 though because there is no way Peyton had a #2 type season IMO. I can't remember who it was but when they tried to blame his woes on injured WR's the analyst said "SO!!!" It's football and you play with the guys you have.

D Rock
07-05-2011, 01:49 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdo ... nfl-wp3002 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/So-who-DID-vote-on-the-NFL-Network-s-Top-100-li?urn=nfl-wp3002)

Read that article and you'll see that players were asked to rank their top 20 players ONLY. That means that anyone on this list was ranked as a top 20 by at least one person, or that after about 50 guys, the NFL Network crew made up the rest of the list.

I find it really hard to believe that the bottom guys on this list were said to be top 20 by anyone except themselves or their friends and teammates...that takes away all credibility this could possibly have.

If you ask players to rank their top 20, the only the top 20 players on the list means anything. Lower down you're looking at guys getting only 1, or maybe even 2 or 3 points, in the total voting, and ties for spots all over the place.


What a joke.

feltdizz
07-05-2011, 03:08 PM
It's just a list... :wink:

papillon
07-06-2011, 12:45 PM
It's just a list... :wink:

It is just a list, but I find it absolutely fascinating that a player in the NFL would rather face Ben Roethlisberger over Devin Hester.

Pappy

feltdizz
07-06-2011, 01:22 PM
It's just a list... :wink:

It is just a list, but I find it absolutely fascinating that a player in the NFL would rather face Ben Roethlisberger over Devin Hester.

Pappy

A deadly PR specialist puts an insane amount of fear in players and coaches.

Damn near every playoff under Cowher I think we feared the KR/PR more than any other player.

I also think most defenders don't fear Ben. They hate tackling him but they know they will get a ton of chances to try it.

papillon
07-06-2011, 03:20 PM
It's just a list... :wink:

It is just a list, but I find it absolutely fascinating that a player in the NFL would rather face Ben Roethlisberger over Devin Hester.

Pappy

A deadly PR specialist puts an insane amount of fear in players and coaches.

Damn near every playoff under Cowher I think we feared the KR/PR more than any other player.

I also think most defenders don't fear Ben. They hate tackling him but they know they will get a ton of chances to try it.

Okay, I'll put you on the side of taking a PR (a very good one) over a 10-3 playoff winning quarterback, 2-1 super bowl winning quarterback, a 69-29 regular season winning quarterback, a 1.6 to 1 TD/INT ratio quarterback, an 8.0 YPA quarterback all because Bill Cowher's special teams didn't know how to tackle. Well, that's why I find it fascinating that Devin Hester was rated ahead of Ben. His own fans don't understand how d@mn good he is no matter what he does, it's simply fascinating.

If a defender is obtuse enough not to fear what Ben Roethlisberger can do to them, then they deserve what they get and typically that's an @ss kickin. And, even with all those chances to try and tackle him, they don't or can't and he makes plays; yet, somehow a guy that touches the ball less than 10 times a game is someone to be fearful of.

When was the last time a PR/KR had 2 TDs in a game and how many times has it happened in the last 7 years? Hell, Ben had 7 games with 2 touchdowns in his rookie year alone, I'm certain that Devin Hester hasn't done it more once or twice in his career. I hope all defensive coordinators go on planning for KR/PR specialists and don't fear Ben, that will be really good for the Steelers.

Pappy

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
07-06-2011, 04:23 PM
It's just a list... :wink:

It is just a list, but I find it absolutely fascinating that a player in the NFL would rather face Ben Roethlisberger over Devin Hester.

Pappy

A deadly PR specialist puts an insane amount of fear in players and coaches.

Damn near every playoff under Cowher I think we feared the KR/PR more than any other player.

I also think most defenders don't fear Ben. They hate tackling him but they know they will get a ton of chances to try it.

A PR can be neutralized by kicking the ball out of bounds. How do you eliminate a player who touches the ball on every offensive play?

RuthlessBurgher
07-06-2011, 04:26 PM
It's just a list... :wink:

It is just a list, but I find it absolutely fascinating that a player in the NFL would rather face Ben Roethlisberger over Devin Hester.

Pappy

A deadly PR specialist puts an insane amount of fear in players and coaches.

Damn near every playoff under Cowher I think we feared the KR/PR more than any other player.

I also think most defenders don't fear Ben. They hate tackling him but they know they will get a ton of chances to try it.

A PR can be neutralized by kicking the ball out of bounds. How do you eliminate a player who touches the ball on every offensive play?

http://sportsocracy.org/imgs/kimo.jpg http://www.kcchiefsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/BernardPollardBrady.jpg

hawaiiansteel
07-06-2011, 07:27 PM
Ramon Foster Says Some Teams Did Not Vote on NFL Network Top 100:

Foster tweets that he spoke to players on other teams and...


@RamonFoster

Ramon Foster

Shout to nfl network who said we voted for the top 100 players. Talked to 3 guys on 3 different teams who say their team didn't vote. #lies

4 Jul via TweetCaster for Android

http://twitter.com/#%21/RamonFoster/sta ... 7050468352 (http://twitter.com/#%21/RamonFoster/status/87959377050468352)