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MadSteel
05-29-2011, 01:54 PM
By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
This is not another Jaromir Jagr story. Plaxico Burress isn't Jagr. It makes no sense for the Penguins to bring back Jagr. It makes perfect sense for the Steelers to bring back Burress.

Check that.

It makes perfect sense for the Steelers to at least look into bringing back Burress.

Burress is scheduled to be released from prison June 6 after serving 21 months on a felony gun charge in New York. He's getting out three months early because of good behavior. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has said Burress will be reinstated to the league once he's released and will be eligible to sign with a team once the NFL lockout ends. Agent Drew Rosenhaus has said several clubs have expressed interest in Burress, who turns 34 Aug. 12.

Here's hoping the Steelers are one.

Normally, I'm not one to advocate signing a convicted felon, especially one who hasn't played in the NFL since November 2008, shortly before he walked into a Manhattan nightclub with a concealed, unlicensed, loaded gun in the waistband of his track pants and shot himself in the thigh when the weapon slipped down his leg. But Burress is hardly your typical hardened criminal. He did a really stupid thing and paid a stiff price for it. But as Steelers linebacker James Farrior said of Burress' prison sentence in '09, "I still can't believe it. I feel like they should save the jail sentences for the real criminals. I don't feel like Plax is a threat to society. He's not out to harm anyone. He only did it to protect himself."

Burress was the Steelers' No. 1 draft choice in 2000. He was a great teammate with them, productive on the field and popular off it. Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger loved throwing to him. What a target Burress made. Tall, fast and athletic. What quarterback wouldn't love throwing to a 6-foot-5, 232-pound wide receiver with the speed to get deep?

"I couldn't say one negative thing about him," Steelers offensive coordinator Bruce Arians said of Burress in '09. "He was a quality kid. He never gave me anything but great effort on the field and in the classroom ...

"I remember him crying at our meeting after the [AFC] championship game [after the '04 season] when he said goodbye because he knew it was his last meeting as a Steeler. He wasn't the only one crying because he was leaving."

It wasn't as if the Steelers wanted to get rid of Burress the way the Penguins did Jagr back in the day because of his many mood swings and his sulking. They had to choose between giving big money to him or Hines Ward. They chose Ward, which turned out to be the smart decision. Pittsburgh wouldn't have the Mirror Ball Trophy without him, you know? But the New York Giants also did OK signing Burress as a free agent. He caught the winning, last-minute touchdown pass to beat the undefeated New England Patriots in Super Bowl XLII.

Burress later had problems with the Giants, was suspended for a game in '08 for violating team rules and was fined on a number of occasions by the club and the NFL. It's easy to think he took himself too seriously and thought he was bigger than the team and the game. But then the game -- not to mention a $35 million contract -- was taken from him. He has had plenty of time -- almost 21 months -- to think about what he had and threw away. If that doesn't mature a guy, nothing will.

By all accounts, Burress is in great shape and ready for a second chance to show he's still a big-time receiver. I don't think he's going to blow it. "He's counting the hours," attorney Peter M. Frankel told ESPN.com. "He's extremely positive."

The Steelers owe it to themselves to reach out to Burress and Rosenhaus, if they already haven't done so.

The contract price might be too high, especially if Rosenhaus isn't exaggerating the interest in Burress. But what does it hurt to find out?

Roethlisberger is busy and was unavailable for comment -- the big wedding, you understand -- but I'm guessing he would be all for bringing Burress back.

The Steelers are OK at wide receiver. They still have the great, Hall of Fame-bound Ward, although he's probably down to his final season or two.

They also like young wide receivers Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders.

But the addition of Burress at the right price would make the group that much stronger.

The Steelers are a veteran team that is built to win the Super Bowl right now.

Burress would make them a better team right now.



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hawaiiansteel
05-29-2011, 03:38 PM
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feltdizz
05-29-2011, 05:32 PM
No.

Chadman
05-29-2011, 07:02 PM
Why not?

At a decent price, if you can get 3-4 years out of him- he should be a good investment.

hawaiiansteel
05-29-2011, 07:11 PM
More rumblings that Plax could land in Philadelphia

Posted by Evan Silva on May 29, 2011


On May 22, the New York Daily News passed along rumblings that the Eagles will be first in line to pursue free agent receiver Plaxico Burress when the lockout ends. Eagles quarterback Michael Vick also gave his stamp of approval.

In a Sunday Q & A with readers, FOXSports.com reporter Adam Caplan agrees that the Eagles are likely to, at the very least, give Burress a long look.

A personnel source tells Caplan that Eagles coach Andy Reid “has always been impressed” with Plax’s “ability to beat coverage with his size.” The source predicts that Philadelphia will indeed make an attempt to sign Burress.

As Caplan notes, Burress recorded seven touchdowns and 650 yards in eight games against the Eagles when he was a Giant. Five of the touchdowns were in the red zone, where Philadelphia’s offense notoriously struggled in 2010.

The Eagles’ have a highly explosive, young receiver corps. What they don’t have is a true red-zone playmaker with the size Burress can offer. On NFL.com, he is listed at 6-foot-5, 232.

One AFC decision maker told Caplan that he believes Plax will ultimately sign a “heavily incentive-based contract,” which makes sense considering he’s been out of football since the winter of 2008 and is turning 34.

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Shawn
05-29-2011, 09:10 PM
I want Burress back...for the right price.

Oviedo
05-30-2011, 10:34 AM
No.

:Agree No thanks

hawaiiansteel
05-31-2011, 12:48 AM
Pittsburgh Steelers Have No Need For Plaxico Burress

Posted by Tom Jenkins May 29, 2011


Let’s rewind to the 2000 NFL Draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers had selected a big, tall wide receiver out of Michigan State, Plaxico Burress. Burress spent five years with the Steelers, leaving after the 2004 AFC Championship game amidst a trail of tears, according to offensive coordinator Bruce Arians.

The red zone target would go on to catch the winning touchdown in a Super Bowl, put a halt to a bid for a perfect season, and then ultimately find himself behind bars.

Fast forward to the present day and that same man who caught 22 touchdowns for the Steelers is a free agent, looking to re-start his career in much the same way that Philadelphia’s Michael Vick has. And as with all former highlight reel-esque players, the media is constantly rumoring him to this team or that.

Think of the surprise upon Steelers’ fans faces when they learned that their team was one of the rumored destinations. The man that had spiked a live ball and accused the Rooney family of being racist, could be returning to the field after all of this?

Well, no. And here’s why this rumor is based solely on the fact that there’s literally nothing else to talk about during the NFL lockout.

The Steelers already have a great young group of wide receivers, especially with Mike Wallace emerging as a true deep threat and Emmanuel Sanders and Antonio Brown stepping up big in their rookie seasons. Add to that the ever reliable Hines Ward, who still has plenty of gas left in his tank, and the back end of the depth chart which still includes Antwaan Randle El, and Limas Sweed. There’s simply no room for Burress on the Steelers depth chart, and even if there was, the team isn’t going to sacrifice the development of Sanders and Brown to get Burress more career stats.
The team is looking to the future, not the past.

Couple that with the fact that the Steelers traded away another receiver who caught the winning touchdown in the Super Bowl, Santonio Holmes, for nothing more than a four game suspension and his fondness for ‘waking and baking’ and the math doesn’t add up.

The Steelers are trying to get the bad taste from last off-season out of their mouth, and that doesn’t come with a shot of Burress (pun unintentional, but not bad).

All in all, I’m not sure why the lockout has gotten the Steelers thrust into the Burress rumor, but it won’t happen. His time in Pittsburgh has past, and nothing is going to change that.

On a side note, a lot of former Steelers players have realized that the grass isn’t always greener where the money is more plentiful and now want to return home. Any prop bets on who the next former Steeler to be rumored to the team is?

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rpmpit
05-31-2011, 09:19 AM
I don't think Plax is a dangerous guy. I think he's dumb...but not out to hurt anyone. I think his sentence was an absolute joke based on the fact that the only person he hurt was himself. But ok, he broke the law and has paid the price.

But don't forget, one of the main reasons we let him leave (aside from the money) was the bad attitude. He displayed the same thing in NY. I hope he's changed. And I hope he comes back and has success in the NFL. But he won't be a Steeler again. No way.

Notleadpoisoned
05-31-2011, 09:44 AM
Pittsburgh Steelers Have No Need For Plaxico Burress

Posted by Tom Jenkins May 29, 2011

Think of the surprise upon Steelers’ fans faces when they learned that their team was one of the rumored destinations. The man that had spiked a live ball and accused the Rooney family of being racist, could be returning to the field after all of this?

I was not aware that Burress had accused the Rooney family of being racist but I think that's reason enough not to ever bring him back.

feltdizz
05-31-2011, 12:50 PM
I don't think Plax is a dangerous guy. I think he's dumb...but not out to hurt anyone. I think his sentence was an absolute joke based on the fact that the only person he hurt was himself. But ok, he broke the law and has paid the price.

But don't forget, one of the main reasons we let him leave (aside from the money) was the bad attitude. He displayed the same thing in NY. I hope he's changed. And I hope he comes back and has success in the NFL. But he won't be a Steeler again. No way.

His attitude in NY is the reason he got the ridiculous sentence in the first place. The freaking Mayor got on TV and bashed Plax. He is an idiot and the way he treated Coughlin was disgusting. I've never seen a player tell the HC to shut the f##k up multiple times...

Hell to the no!

feltdizz
05-31-2011, 12:52 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers Have No Need For Plaxico Burress

Posted by Tom Jenkins May 29, 2011

Think of the surprise upon Steelers’ fans faces when they learned that their team was one of the rumored destinations. The man that had spiked a live ball and accused the Rooney family of being racist, could be returning to the field after all of this?

I was not aware that Burress had accused the Rooney family of being racist but I think that's reason enough not to ever bring him back.

Never heard of that accusation but Plax is one of the those guys who is always the victim so I wouldn't doubt it.

When you take a good look at Plax you can see the b1tch in him.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
05-31-2011, 01:24 PM
Not opposed to bringing him back. Just not willing to get in bidding war over him. If he wants to play for a Randel El base like contract filled with incentives...I'm ok with that. I'm all for anything that makes the team better and he would clearly make the team better. Ward restructure, El, & Battle gone....All for it. I think this OL intact & healthy could field a productive 5 WR set if it included Ward, Wallace, Burress, Sanders, & Brown. If Sweed every lives/lived up to his potential...You could have inserted his name instead of Burress. But unless the combination of one of those 5 are the sets...I'm manning up and sending 6 anytime the Steelers walk on 0 personel which is a problem with the combination of BA vertical routes & BB holding the ball thinking he could shrug off the free man. There isn't a secondary in the league capable of playing man against that group with that many being able to take the top off a D.

That all being said...This would be the spot where I would say "The Steelers don't do that." However, the team is built for now..I wouldn't be surprised with any "now" signings once FA begins. Last year FA was uncharacteristic for them with combination of positional coaching changeover. Nothing would surprise me...And that would include the signing of Burress and a starting CB even with retaining Taylor & drafting two CBs. I'm not predicting anything..But the Steelers Brass have proven to me they are smart enough to know what they have in front of them.

hawaiiansteel
05-31-2011, 02:53 PM
Why the Steelers Should Let Somebody Else Worry About Plaxico Burress

Posted on May 31, 2011 by adam


Over the weekend Ron Cook of the Post-Gazette made his argument for why the Steelers should at least look into bringing back wide receiver Plaxico Burress. In short: He would make the 2011 Steelers a stronger team, give them a big target with speed to get deep, he was never a bad teammate in his first stint with the club and he made a stupid mistake and paid the price for it.

My reasons for not wanting him back have little to do with the type of teammate he was (I don’t know if he was a good one or a bad one) or because he stuffed loaded guns down his sweatpants in New York clubs, and more to do with the following…

1) Do the Steelers really need a 34-year-old wide receiver that hasn’t played a down of football in two years?

If you bring in Burress one of two things will happen: He’ll either be the fifth wide receiver (assuming he dresses), or you’re going to have to take one of Mike Wallace, Hines Ward, Emmanuel Sanders or Antonio Brown (not to mention potentially Heath Miller) off of the field. I’m not a fan of the latter, and regarding the former, you still have Arnaz Battle and Antwaan Randle El under contract (and admittedly, I’m probably a bigger Randle El fan the most) and the possibility, long shot that it may be, that Limas Sweed could still do something in the NFL.

Where would Burress fit in? At least Randle El and Battle give you the possibility for special teams play. With Burress, you’re looking at either a No. 5 receiver or a player that doesn’t even get a hat on game day.

2) Burress’ size and “big target” status is overrated.

As I talked about back in April before the draft when it came to Jonathan Baldwin, size and height for a receiver isn’t much of a factor when it comes to productivity. Burress had a fine career with the Steelers and was absolutely a strong first-round pick. But he had his shortcomings. For example, his presence in the red zone. For a 6-foot-5 receiver that consistently had the size advantage over defensive backs Burress was rarely effective in situations where that size advantage could come into play. Like, say, inside the 20-yard line.

During his Steelers career between 2000 and 2004 Burress caught just four touchdowns inside the 10-yard line, and only 11 inside the 20. His average touchdown catch with the Steelers was over 25 yards. By comparison, Hines Ward, checking in at roughly 6-feet tall, caught 13 touchdown passes inside the 10 and 22 inside the 20 during the same time period.

The value Burress brought to the Steelers was as a downfield deep threat that could get behind defenses. Can he still do that at 34? I have my doubts. And even so, the Steelers already have the best deep threat wide receiver in the NFL with Wallace, and two other young players with downfield ability in Sanders and Brown.

3) I wasn’t opposed to the Steelers drafting a wide receiver back in April under the assumption that player could one day be a replacement for Ward. Burress, at this stage of his career, isn’t a long-term replacement for anybody. He would be a short-term roster filler at a position the Steelers have little need for in 2011.

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feltdizz
05-31-2011, 03:02 PM
Not opposed to bringing him back. Just not willing to get in bidding war over him. If he wants to play for a Randel El base like contract filled with incentives...I'm ok with that. I'm all for anything that makes the team better and he would clearly make the team better. Ward restructure, El, & Battle gone....All for it. I think this OL intact & healthy could field a productive 5 WR set if it included Ward, Wallace, Burress, Sanders, & Brown. If Sweed every lives/lived up to his potential...You could have inserted his name instead of Burress. But unless the combination of one of those 5 are the sets...I'm manning up and sending 6 anytime the Steelers walk on 0 personel which is a problem with the combination of BA vertical routes & BB holding the ball thinking he could shrug off the free man. There isn't a secondary in the league capable of playing man against that group with that many being able to take the top off a D.

That all being said...This would be the spot where I would say "The Steelers don't do that." However, the team is built for now..I wouldn't be surprised with any "now" signings once FA begins. Last year FA was uncharacteristic for them with combination of positional coaching changeover. Nothing would surprise me...And that would include the signing of Burress and a starting CB even with retaining Taylor & drafting two CBs. I'm not predicting anything..But the Steelers Brass have proven to me they are smart enough to know what they have in front of them.

The fantasy Burress makes us better... he is big, has decent hands and creates a mismatch.

The reality Burress makes us worse... lazy, doesn't fight for the ball and is a cancer to the locker room.

I seriously doubt Burress will have a Vick type return... for all the problems Vick had off the field he wasn't a cancer on it. Sure he ran more then he should have but he wasn't a cancer on the sideline.

We aren't going FA either when it comes to CB... we drafted 2 CB's for a reason.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
05-31-2011, 03:35 PM
Not opposed to bringing him back. Just not willing to get in bidding war over him. If he wants to play for a Randel El base like contract filled with incentives...I'm ok with that. I'm all for anything that makes the team better and he would clearly make the team better. Ward restructure, El, & Battle gone....All for it. I think this OL intact & healthy could field a productive 5 WR set if it included Ward, Wallace, Burress, Sanders, & Brown. If Sweed every lives/lived up to his potential...You could have inserted his name instead of Burress. But unless the combination of one of those 5 are the sets...I'm manning up and sending 6 anytime the Steelers walk on 0 personel which is a problem with the combination of BA vertical routes & BB holding the ball thinking he could shrug off the free man. There isn't a secondary in the league capable of playing man against that group with that many being able to take the top off a D.

That all being said...This would be the spot where I would say "The Steelers don't do that." However, the team is built for now..I wouldn't be surprised with any "now" signings once FA begins. Last year FA was uncharacteristic for them with combination of positional coaching changeover. Nothing would surprise me...And that would include the signing of Burress and a starting CB even with retaining Taylor & drafting two CBs. I'm not predicting anything..But the Steelers Brass have proven to me they are smart enough to know what they have in front of them.

The fantasy Burress makes us better... he is big, has decent hands and creates a mismatch.

The reality Burress makes us worse... lazy, doesn't fight for the ball and is a cancer to the locker room.

I seriously doubt Burress will have a Vick type return... for all the problems Vick had off the field he wasn't a cancer on it. Sure he ran more then he should have but he wasn't a cancer on the sideline.

We aren't going FA either when it comes to CB... we drafted 2 CB's for a reason.

Isn't a fantasy at all...He would make them better. If you don't think so, you never watched him here or with NY. Not really even a debate. Don't know who you are describing. Sounds more like Troy Edwards. Burress had some immaturity issues when he was here...But to label him a cancer, lazy, & doesn't fight for the ball is far off mark. If you don't like him personally that's you right but he is a player.

And if you read my post, I said I wasn't making preditions and even mentioned drafting 2 CBs. Said nothing would surprise me if they did sign a FA CB even after they retain Taylor. It wouldn't surprise me....I watched the entire season...Every play. It is obvious a team needs 3-4 starting caliber CBs. Name the Steelers 3 or 4 starting caliber CBs when camp opens.


If they didn't come right out of your mouth with no hesitation or "what ifs"....Then they don't have them.

So again...Wouldn't surprise because 3 or 4 didn't spring into my head.

feltdizz
05-31-2011, 04:08 PM
[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":3ign79ya]Not opposed to bringing him back. Just not willing to get in bidding war over him. If he wants to play for a Randel El base like contract filled with incentives...I'm ok with that. I'm all for anything that makes the team better and he would clearly make the team better. Ward restructure, El, & Battle gone....All for it. I think this OL intact & healthy could field a productive 5 WR set if it included Ward, Wallace, Burress, Sanders, & Brown. If Sweed every lives/lived up to his potential...You could have inserted his name instead of Burress. But unless the combination of one of those 5 are the sets...I'm manning up and sending 6 anytime the Steelers walk on 0 personel which is a problem with the combination of BA vertical routes & BB holding the ball thinking he could shrug off the free man. There isn't a secondary in the league capable of playing man against that group with that many being able to take the top off a D.

That all being said...This would be the spot where I would say "The Steelers don't do that." However, the team is built for now..I wouldn't be surprised with any "now" signings once FA begins. Last year FA was uncharacteristic for them with combination of positional coaching changeover. Nothing would surprise me...And that would include the signing of Burress and a starting CB even with retaining Taylor & drafting two CBs. I'm not predicting anything..But the Steelers Brass have proven to me they are smart enough to know what they have in front of them.

The fantasy Burress makes us better... he is big, has decent hands and creates a mismatch.

The reality Burress makes us worse... lazy, doesn't fight for the ball and is a cancer to the locker room.

I seriously doubt Burress will have a Vick type return... for all the problems Vick had off the field he wasn't a cancer on it. Sure he ran more then he should have but he wasn't a cancer on the sideline.

We aren't going FA either when it comes to CB... we drafted 2 CB's for a reason.

Isn't a fantasy at all...He would make them better. If you don't think so, you never watched him here or with NY. Not really even a debate. Don't know who you are describing. Sounds more like Troy Edwards. Burress had some immaturity issues when he was here...But to label him a cancer, lazy, & doesn't fight for the ball is far off mark. If you don't like him personally that's you right but he is a player.

And if you read my post, I said I wasn't making preditions and even mentioned drafting 2 CBs. Said nothing would surprise me if they did sign a FA CB even after they retain Taylor. It wouldn't surprise me....I watched the entire season...Every play. It is obvious a team needs 3-4 starting caliber CBs. Name the Steelers 3 or 4 starting caliber CBs when camp opens.


If they didn't come right out of your mouth with no hesitation or "what ifs"....Then they don't have them.

So again...Wouldn't surprise because 3 or 4 didn't spring into my head.[/quote:3ign79ya]

There is no way you watched Plax in NYC his last season because if you did you wouldn't defend him.

I lived in NYC when Plax shot himself. That last season in NYC was all I needed to see to know Plax doesn't have an ounce of professionalism left in his body. Whatever he had left he shot himself with... I watched him quit on the Giants... not only did he quit he lashed out at any coach, player or fan who tried to get him to work. I saw him week in and week out and the city turned on him because of it. Just like Santonio.. he went from hero to zero once he caught the winning TD in the SB. It all went to his head.

Plax has all the talent in the world but he is soft in the head... I loved him when he was here, loved watching him in NYC but his last season he quit. I would never want a guy like that on our team and there is no way we would do it. I know what he is capable of... the good and the bad and the bad isn't worth it. I watched Plax say SHUT THE F&^* UP to Coughlin like it was nothing after giving up on a pass that turned into an INT. No... you didn't watch Plax in NYC. I was there... I had to watch it and it re-enforced why the Steelers let him go.

As far as the CB situation... it will go like this.

McFadden, Gay, Butler, Lewis..... and the 2nd rounder will get nickel or dime reps. I seriously doubt Ike gets resigned unless the market humbles him. We aren't going to break the bank on Ike or we would have resigned him early or tagged him.

I honestly think we are ready to move on without Ike... I don't see how Ike or his agent could think otherwise given the draft.

feltdizz
05-31-2011, 04:21 PM
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2008-11-29/sports/17909927_1_fines-plaxico-burress-coach-tom-coughlin

BY LARRY MCSHANE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

At 6-feet-5, Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress is a big target - for passes and problems.

Burress quickly established himself as Eli Manning's No. 1 receiver after the Giants signed him as a free agent from Pittsburgh in March 2005.

But his on-field heroics were inevitably tempered by his off-field woes, leading to more than two dozen fines, two benchings and a September suspension.

Through four years in New York, Burress racked up more than 30 fines for assorted misbehavior. This year, Burress has surrendered more than $200,000 to the Giants and the NFL in fines and lost salary.

He was suspended for two weeks, missing one game, after skipping a day of work and failing to notify the Giants - a $117,000 hit. Coach Tom Coughlin has benched Burress twice - once in 2005 and again this year - for violating team rules.

Burress was also fined in June after refusing to practice during a team minicamp in a protest over his contract.

His wife, Tiffany, has twice called police to their New Jersey home after off-season domestic disputes. Both times , she reportedly took out a temporary restraining order against her husband, though both eventually were dismissed in state court.

The 31-year-old former first-round draft pick from Michigan State was even caught on-camera cursing Coughlin during a game earlier this season.

The continuing Burress soap opera, an anomaly in the typically sedate Giants clubhouse, has worn on his teammates and coaches.

Burress has remained unrepentant after each incident, paying his fines and blithely moving on to the next confrontation.

Do you really think we will take a guy back with this paper trail? Again, most of it isn't even off field violations... it's all football related. It's not personal either... it's just the facts. Plax is a cancer and he would stunt the growth of our young talent.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
05-31-2011, 05:02 PM
Do you really think we will take a guy back with this paper trail? Again, most of it isn't even off field violations... it's all football related. It's not personal either... it's just the facts. Plax is a cancer and he would stunt the growth of our young talent.


TO = Cancer
Chad Johnson + Cancer

Burress isn't a cancer. If you watch the Giants as much as you say you did you would know there were a whole lot more players than just Burress that quit on Coughlin. Burress would be a welcome addition in this locker room. If you don't see that and can't agree with that...Then it is personal. If you are going to dismiss a player because he quits on a team or shows emotion...You could look at the Steelers roster. There were the same issues the year after the Arizona SB during the lossing streak and some of those players are still on this roster.

I disagree having Burress would stunt any players growth. Having that philosophy makes for underachievers. Make Sanders & Brown push for playing time. Make Sweed fight for his career. Make Wallace hold on to a crossing route. Competition is good, even better when a team is a contender.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
05-31-2011, 05:12 PM
As far as the CB situation... it will go like this.

McFadden, Gay, Butler, Lewis..... and the 2nd rounder will get nickel or dime reps. I seriously doubt Ike gets resigned unless the market humbles him. We aren't going to break the bank on Ike or we would have resigned him early or tagged him.

I honestly think we are ready to move on without Ike... I don't see how Ike or his agent could think otherwise given the draft.

You are kidding right???

I think Taylor will remain. I think it is actually about a 70-30 right now. Don't read into the print. You are confident with McFadden, Gay, Butler, & Lewis??? Ok..McFadden was there last year. We saw what he has. He's a no. Stop gap. If he wasn't...The CB issue would be a non issue. Gay is a FA...We saw what he offers as a starter and a #3. Butler...Not even active in 2010 to starter? Lewis? Really...So you are saying Ike walks and the Steelers go into camp with McFadden, Gay, Butler, & Lewis and two rookies??? Not only do we not have or best CB but we don't even have ONE proven solid starter on a SB contender. Enough said on your part right there. You just mailed in 2011 because you wanted to keep the coin in your pocket and not hurt the growth of young players. We aren't the Panthers. I'm sure the 30+ vets have 2-3 years left in them until 2 or 3 of the CBs come around.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-01-2011, 07:23 AM
We could speculate all day on the CBs & trade opinions on Burress. I guess when FA begins, all the answers will come out.

feltdizz
06-01-2011, 08:14 AM
Do you really think we will take a guy back with this paper trail? Again, most of it isn't even off field violations... it's all football related. It's not personal either... it's just the facts. Plax is a cancer and he would stunt the growth of our young talent.


TO = Cancer
Chad Johnson + Cancer

Burress isn't a cancer. If you watch the Giants as much as you say you did you would know there were a whole lot more players than just Burress that quit on Coughlin. Burress would be a welcome addition in this locker room. If you don't see that and can't agree with that...Then it is personal. If you are going to dismiss a player because he quits on a team or shows emotion...You could look at the Steelers roster. There were the same issues the year after the Arizona SB during the lossing streak and some of those players are still on this roster.

I disagree having Burress would stunt any players growth. Having that philosophy makes for underachievers. Make Sanders & Brown push for playing time. Make Sweed fight for his career. Make Wallace hold on to a crossing route. Competition is good, even better when a team is a contender.

we have competition with our young WR's. You make it sound like Brown and Sanders are lazy... and trust me, Sweed IS fighting for his career.

I just don't see how bringing in a 34 year old with numerous conduct violations and a rep for missing practice without explanation will make them better.

Competition is good... a circus atmosphere with constant questions about gun wounds, jail time, rehabilitation and explanations about his first stint as a Steeler is good for our younger players.

feltdizz
06-01-2011, 08:23 AM
As far as the CB situation... it will go like this.

McFadden, Gay, Butler, Lewis..... and the 2nd rounder will get nickel or dime reps. I seriously doubt Ike gets resigned unless the market humbles him. We aren't going to break the bank on Ike or we would have resigned him early or tagged him.

I honestly think we are ready to move on without Ike... I don't see how Ike or his agent could think otherwise given the draft.

You are kidding right???

I think Taylor will remain. I think it is actually about a 70-30 right now. Don't read into the print. You are confident with McFadden, Gay, Butler, & Lewis??? Ok..McFadden was there last year. We saw what he has. He's a no. Stop gap. If he wasn't...The CB issue would be a non issue. Gay is a FA...We saw what he offers as a starter and a #3. Butler...Not even active in 2010 to starter? Lewis? Really...So you are saying Ike walks and the Steelers go into camp with McFadden, Gay, Butler, & Lewis and two rookies??? Not only do we not have or best CB but we don't even have ONE proven solid starter on a SB contender. Enough said on your part right there. You just mailed in 2011 because you wanted to keep the coin in your pocket and not hurt the growth of young players. We aren't the Panthers. I'm sure the 30+ vets have 2-3 years left in them until 2 or 3 of the CBs come around.

Am I confident with those CB's? No... but is all lost without Ike? No...

If Ike was the priority he would be resigned already. We have Timmons, Troy and Woodley to worry about as well so I think it's more than print that I'm reading.

Our FO operates in 3 to 5 year windows. We don't bulk up for SB runs... this is why we are successful.

RuthlessBurgher
06-01-2011, 10:14 AM
As far as the CB situation... it will go like this.

McFadden, Gay, Butler, Lewis..... and the 2nd rounder will get nickel or dime reps. I seriously doubt Ike gets resigned unless the market humbles him. We aren't going to break the bank on Ike or we would have resigned him early or tagged him.

I honestly think we are ready to move on without Ike... I don't see how Ike or his agent could think otherwise given the draft.

You are kidding right???

I think Taylor will remain. I think it is actually about a 70-30 right now. Don't read into the print. You are confident with McFadden, Gay, Butler, & Lewis??? Ok..McFadden was there last year. We saw what he has. He's a no. Stop gap. If he wasn't...The CB issue would be a non issue. Gay is a FA...We saw what he offers as a starter and a #3. Butler...Not even active in 2010 to starter? Lewis? Really...So you are saying Ike walks and the Steelers go into camp with McFadden, Gay, Butler, & Lewis and two rookies??? Not only do we not have or best CB but we don't even have ONE proven solid starter on a SB contender. Enough said on your part right there. You just mailed in 2011 because you wanted to keep the coin in your pocket and not hurt the growth of young players. We aren't the Panthers. I'm sure the 30+ vets have 2-3 years left in them until 2 or 3 of the CBs come around.

Am I confident with those CB's? No... but is all lost without Ike? No...

If Ike was the priority he would be resigned already. We have Timmons, Troy and Woodley to worry about as well so I think it's more than print that I'm reading.

Our FO operates in 3 to 5 year windows. We don't bulk up for SB runs... this is why we are successful.

Ike hasn't been re-signed because there was no CBA, and the Rooneys didn't want to dole out contracts featuring large signing bonuses without knowing that the salary cap ramifications might be going forward. It is the same reason why they haven't worked out a long term deal with LaMarr Woodley yet. If we weren't in the midst of this CBA mess, Ike and Wood would be locked up long-term already. I suspect both still will once the team is able to negotiate with players once again when the lockout ends.

Oviedo
06-01-2011, 10:50 AM
As far as the CB situation... it will go like this.

McFadden, Gay, Butler, Lewis..... and the 2nd rounder will get nickel or dime reps. I seriously doubt Ike gets resigned unless the market humbles him. We aren't going to break the bank on Ike or we would have resigned him early or tagged him.

I honestly think we are ready to move on without Ike... I don't see how Ike or his agent could think otherwise given the draft.

You are kidding right???

I think Taylor will remain. I think it is actually about a 70-30 right now. Don't read into the print. You are confident with McFadden, Gay, Butler, & Lewis??? Ok..McFadden was there last year. We saw what he has. He's a no. Stop gap. If he wasn't...The CB issue would be a non issue. Gay is a FA...We saw what he offers as a starter and a #3. Butler...Not even active in 2010 to starter? Lewis? Really...So you are saying Ike walks and the Steelers go into camp with McFadden, Gay, Butler, & Lewis and two rookies??? Not only do we not have or best CB but we don't even have ONE proven solid starter on a SB contender. Enough said on your part right there. You just mailed in 2011 because you wanted to keep the coin in your pocket and not hurt the growth of young players. We aren't the Panthers. I'm sure the 30+ vets have 2-3 years left in them until 2 or 3 of the CBs come around.


McFadden, Gay, Butler, & Lewis = 9-7 record. How anyone seriously thinks Lewis and Butler can step in as starters is amazing. LeBeau has given them no experience on the field in games so they would be OJTing and making it up as they go. That is what happens when you don't give your young players experience.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-01-2011, 10:56 AM
we have competition with our young WR's. You make it sound like Brown and Sanders are lazy... and trust me, Sweed IS fighting for his career.

I just don't see how bringing in a 34 year old with numerous conduct violations and a rep for missing practice without explanation will make them better.

Competition is good... a circus atmosphere with constant questions about gun wounds, jail time, rehabilitation and explanations about his first stint as a Steeler is good for our younger players.

Never said anywhere that Sanders & Brown are lazy. Very happy with them. But if you know how the depth chart works at WR if/when Battle, Sweed, & El are shown the door...There could be complacency on the horizon for two second year players and that could be problems for a contender. It is obvious what is going through your head...You opinion is "bringing in a 34 year old with numerous conduct violations and a rep for missing practice without explanation will make them better" Never mentioned the football player.

It is very funny you made the quote about "a circus atmosphere with constant questions about gun wounds, jail time, rehabilitation and explanations about his first stint as a Steeler is good for our younger players" . Was only last year the Steelers Organization's biggest adveristy ever faced was Ben's issues. And those "young players" were rookies last year and another new crop is coming in. This is the Steelers Organization. I would say a SB appearance in the face of that adversity speaks the volumes against your argument.

If you can't see how the line-up of Ward, Burress, Wallace, Sanders, & Brown helps this team...I guess I don't have any words.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-01-2011, 11:17 AM
As far as the CB situation... it will go like this.

McFadden, Gay, Butler, Lewis..... and the 2nd rounder will get nickel or dime reps. I seriously doubt Ike gets resigned unless the market humbles him. We aren't going to break the bank on Ike or we would have resigned him early or tagged him.

I honestly think we are ready to move on without Ike... I don't see how Ike or his agent could think otherwise given the draft.

You are kidding right???

I think Taylor will remain. I think it is actually about a 70-30 right now. Don't read into the print. You are confident with McFadden, Gay, Butler, & Lewis??? Ok..McFadden was there last year. We saw what he has. He's a no. Stop gap. If he wasn't...The CB issue would be a non issue. Gay is a FA...We saw what he offers as a starter and a #3. Butler...Not even active in 2010 to starter? Lewis? Really...So you are saying Ike walks and the Steelers go into camp with McFadden, Gay, Butler, & Lewis and two rookies??? Not only do we not have or best CB but we don't even have ONE proven solid starter on a SB contender. Enough said on your part right there. You just mailed in 2011 because you wanted to keep the coin in your pocket and not hurt the growth of young players. We aren't the Panthers. I'm sure the 30+ vets have 2-3 years left in them until 2 or 3 of the CBs come around.

Am I confident with those CB's? No... but is all lost without Ike? No...

If Ike was the priority he would be resigned already. We have Timmons, Troy and Woodley to worry about as well so I think it's more than print that I'm reading.

Our FO operates in 3 to 5 year windows. We don't bulk up for SB runs... this is why we are successful.
If you honestly think the Steelers will move on without IKE without bringing in a FA CB...You must be crazy. The Steelers did not have any chance to sign Taylor. The certainly would not jump the 30% rule with bonuses for a 30+ player last year and they are waiting for a new CBA for his new deal.

You don't have to educate me about the Steelers way. This isn't about bulking up for a SB. This isn't about a 3-5 year window. But it is about a window. A window that was addressed last year with an uncharacteristic off season. A window that could see as many as 5 starters retiring from football with a 2011 SB title and an additional starter having an "ala Joey Porter" exit from the team come 2012 if his production drops. The Steelers are one of the smartest and most successful franchises going for a reason...The reason is they know when to pull the trigger. If you don't believe the scenario above has not been dicussed in the final season meeting....I think you might be a little naive to the business side of the team. In my opinion, Colbert hasn't shown me any reason not to believe he isn't intelligent enough to see the big picture for 2011. Again, no need to speculate or argue, we will se if they try and retain Taylor. We will see if they lose him, if they go get another CB. If Burress doesn't visit the Steelers it will be because they talked to his agent and he priced himself out. I think there will be enough interest to at least make that phone call.

feltdizz
06-01-2011, 02:11 PM
[quote=feltdizz] As far as the CB situation... it will go like this.

McFadden, Gay, Butler, Lewis..... and the 2nd rounder will get nickel or dime reps. I seriously doubt Ike gets resigned unless the market humbles him. We aren't going to break the bank on Ike or we would have resigned him early or tagged him.

I honestly think we are ready to move on without Ike... I don't see how Ike or his agent could think otherwise given the draft.

You are kidding right???

I think Taylor will remain. I think it is actually about a 70-30 right now. Don't read into the print. You are confident with McFadden, Gay, Butler, & Lewis??? Ok..McFadden was there last year. We saw what he has. He's a no. Stop gap. If he wasn't...The CB issue would be a non issue. Gay is a FA...We saw what he offers as a starter and a #3. Butler...Not even active in 2010 to starter? Lewis? Really...So you are saying Ike walks and the Steelers go into camp with McFadden, Gay, Butler, & Lewis and two rookies??? Not only do we not have or best CB but we don't even have ONE proven solid starter on a SB contender. Enough said on your part right there. You just mailed in 2011 because you wanted to keep the coin in your pocket and not hurt the growth of young players. We aren't the Panthers. I'm sure the 30+ vets have 2-3 years left in them until 2 or 3 of the CBs come around.

Am I confident with those CB's? No... but is all lost without Ike? No...

If Ike was the priority he would be resigned already. We have Timmons, Troy and Woodley to worry about as well so I think it's more than print that I'm reading.

Our FO operates in 3 to 5 year windows. We don't bulk up for SB runs... this is why we are successful.
If you honestly think the Steelers will move on without IKE without bringing in a FA CB...You must be crazy. The Steelers did not have any chance to sign Taylor. The certainly would not jump the 30% rule with bonuses for a 30+ player last year and they are waiting for a new CBA for his new deal.

You don't have to educate me about the Steelers way. This isn't about bulking up for a SB. This isn't about a 3-5 year window. But it is about a window. A window that was addressed last year with an uncharacteristic off season. A window that could see as many as 5 starters retiring from football with a 2011 SB title and an additional starter having an "ala Joey Porter" exit from the team come 2012 if his production drops. The Steelers are one of the smartest and most successful franchises going for a reason...The reason is they know when to pull the trigger. If you don't believe the scenario above has not been dicussed in the final season meeting....I think you might be a little naive to the business side of the team. In my opinion, Colbert hasn't shown me any reason not to believe he isn't intelligent enough to see the big picture for 2011. Again, no need to speculate or argue, we will se if they try and retain Taylor. We will see if they lose him, if they go get another CB. If Burress doesn't visit the Steelers it will be because they talked to his agent and he priced himself out. I think there will be enough interest to at least make that phone call.[/quote:hsfphdeg]

What are you talking about? Remember the OL and all the people talking about it being impossible to make SB runs with those guys?

Our FO is great because they don't panic or overpay for old talent. I could definitely see our FO moving on without Ike and I think the draft was an obvious signal that they are preparing to play out 2011 without him.

Now the Plax deal? LOL.. you are the crazy one my friend. That ain't happening.

NJ-STEELER
06-01-2011, 09:38 PM
most of those fines were cause of coughlin's kangaroo court. like having to be at meetings 5 minutes early to be considered on time.
strahan and tiki were 2 others who had issues's with general Tom's rules. he seems to lighten up on those as the years go by though

any whoo, how does someone "quit" on his team after signing a contract extension. for a team that was one of the top SB contenders at the time of the gun incident

that said, i think the chances are slim to none that we consider signing him

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-01-2011, 09:55 PM
What are you talking about? Remember the OL and all the people talking about it being impossible to make SB runs with those guys?

Our FO is great because they don't panic or overpay for old talent. I could definitely see our FO moving on without Ike and I think the draft was an obvious signal that they are preparing to play out 2011 without him.

Now the Plax deal? LOL.. you are the crazy one my friend. That ain't happening.

I think the draft was an obvious signal the Steelers recognize what they lacked was quality CBs going 4 deep. As far as you believing the front office doesn't overpay for old talent, How about you look up how old Ward, Hampton, A Smith, Keisel, Farrior, Harrison, and Clark were when they signed their last deals and compare that to Taylors age. Then get back to me on your FO evaluation.

If Burress doesn't price himself out...The Steelers could have a strong interest. But it only takes one team to ruin that.

feltdizz
06-02-2011, 08:56 AM
most of those fines were cause of coughlin's kangaroo court. like having to be at meetings 5 minutes early to be considered on time.
strahan and tiki were 2 others who had issues's with general Tom's rules. he seems to lighten up on those as the years go by though

any whoo, how does someone "quit" on his team after signing a contract extension. for a team that was one of the top SB contenders at the time of the gun incident

that said, i think the chances are slim to none that we consider signing him

Signing a contract extension doesn't guarantee hustle...

That's like saying Albert Haynesworth is the hardest working man in football since he signed a huge contract to play in DC.

A lot of times players play their hardest to get the extension and then mail it in... Plax mailed it in a ton in NYC that last year.

I agree on Tom Coughlin being a hard azzz but Plax didn't have to go there.

feltdizz
06-02-2011, 09:05 AM
What are you talking about? Remember the OL and all the people talking about it being impossible to make SB runs with those guys?

Our FO is great because they don't panic or overpay for old talent. I could definitely see our FO moving on without Ike and I think the draft was an obvious signal that they are preparing to play out 2011 without him.

Now the Plax deal? LOL.. you are the crazy one my friend. That ain't happening.

I think the draft was an obvious signal the Steelers recognize what they lacked was quality CBs going 4 deep. As far as you believing the front office doesn't overpay for old talent, How about you look up how old Ward, Hampton, A Smith, Keisel, Farrior, Harrison, and Clark were when they signed their last deals and compare that to Taylors age. Then get back to me on your FO evaluation.

If Burress doesn't price himself out...The Steelers could have a strong interest. But it only takes one team to ruin that.

Please name one guy on that list who is in the 10 to 15 mil per year range? Name one guy who is overpaid on that list...

A.Smith is the only one we overpaid for and that is due to his injuries... but if you ask any fan they will tell you he is still worth the money even if he spends all year on the sideline in sweats.

Harrison didn't even see the field until he was 27...

the Steelers have no interest in Plax but you keep on believing it of you want. I will be the first to congratulate you if we signed him. I think hell will freeze over and the Pirates will win a WS before that happens.

frankthetank1
06-02-2011, 09:12 AM
can plax play cb haha? wr is definetly not a need for the steelers. ward, wallace, brown and sanders is a better group of wr's that most nfl teams. why do we need another wr? especially one like plax who is an immature punk. he hasnt even played in a couple of seasons. i dont see what the attraction is with plax. he was a steeler once and he under achived. but at least he is a big wr :roll:

feltdizz
06-02-2011, 09:16 AM
can plax play cb haha? wr is definetly not a need for the steelers. ward, wallace, brown and sanders is a better group of wr's that most nfl teams. why do we need another wr? especially one like plax who is an immature punk. he hasnt even played in a couple of seasons. i dont see what the attraction is with plax. he was a steeler once and he under achived. but at least he is a big wr :roll:

:Agree

AngryAsian
06-02-2011, 10:12 AM
Some people's assertion on this topic leads me to believe that a big possession receiver was the missing piece to our would-be championship run last season.... it wasn't and still isn't. This is a non-issue regardless of some media hounds need to throw a story out there during a football news void (other than the lockout). If we take off the sentimental glasses, we'll definitely see that the Burgh will be the last place Plax will consider. He has to look at his age and impact on whatever team he decides to sign the dotted line with. I can't see his situation panning out to be another Mike Vick come-back story. IMHO, he wasn't a top 5 WR prior to his mishap.... let's not forget how old he is. Age, poor work ethic, locker room drama, off-field issues... some glaring red flags to off-set skills that may or may not still be there.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-02-2011, 11:33 AM
Please name one guy on that list who is in the 10 to 15 mil per year range? Name one guy who is overpaid on that list...

A.Smith is the only one we overpaid for and that is due to his injuries... but if you ask any fan they will tell you he is still worth the money even if he spends all year on the sideline in sweats.

Harrison didn't even see the field until he was 27...

the Steelers have no interest in Plax but you keep on believing it of you want. I will be the first to congratulate you if we signed him. I think hell will freeze over and the Pirates will win a WS before that happens.

Come on Felt...You are smarter than this. You have been here a long time. Don't insult my intelligence or your own by throwing out numbers to cover your tracks. 10-15 mil is QB numbers on average. Franchise tag for CB was just under 10 mil ($9.566 million franchise). Revis was a 4 year 46 mil. If you are going to use Nnamdi Asomugha Raiders contract for your argument...Don't. We all know the Raiders have to overpay to keep players. Asomugha's contract paid him 14 mil over his first two season but he hit the tab that made his final year voidable. They guranteed his first two years and after that, they would have to pay him the average of the top five highest-paid quarterbacks or $16.875 million, whichever is higher. Your point was the Steelers front office players don't overpay for 30 plus players. "Overpay" can be interpreted anyway you want but everyone of those players were Ike's age or older. The Steelers don't overpay a player "IF" they have a player behind them. Your analysis of the FO is not correct. The Steelers DON'T have a player behind Taylor and they will make every effort to keep there own at market value. Ike has a "special" relationship with Rooney & DL and that means something come negotiations. They can "overpay", market value, or any other term that is negative to you...But he is still playing at a high level and is deserving of whatever they give him.

A Smith was not overpaid and his value when healthy was a bargain. Injuries can not be predicted and it is equally difficult how a player reponds as he gets older. If he was not injures over the last couple years and still playing at his level, his name wouldn't even be mentioned.

Think what you want. Your opinion has as much value as mine. BB, Ward, and BA have always had an on going relationship with Burress even until this day. He is liked by many players in that locker room and had a good relationship with Colbert & Rooney. He never burned any bridges. It is all about the money. They will not get into a bidding war over him and it will be up to Burress to walk through the door because I believe the market will be active on him. He will get bigger offers and guranteed money elsewhere. But guys like Foote & Randel El just wanted to come home. The hardest thing coming off a layoff is starting out somewhere new with new a organization, team mates, and system. Familiarity is an asset in his pocket to making this transition back to football. At 34 at season start...He doesn't have the luxury like Vick did coming back at 30 at an on/off athletic position like QB. That will be his biggest task if he goes to familiar surroundings. There is a reason the "speculation" included names like the Giants & Steelers throughtout all the discussions over the last 2 years about his return.

feltdizz
06-02-2011, 12:55 PM
CB

2010 – FT $9.566M, TT $8.056M

2011 projection – FT $14.354M, TT $11.817M

That looks like 10 to 15 mill range to me. I'm not just throwing out numbers I'm going by what most contract experts on here were saying. :wink:

Those numbers for a CB in a zone blitz D are insane IMO. We would be overpaying if we gave Ike anything over 7 mill.

anger 82&95
06-02-2011, 01:39 PM
As far as the CB situation... it will go like this.

McFadden, Gay, Butler, Lewis..... and the 2nd rounder will get nickel or dime reps. I seriously doubt Ike gets resigned unless the market humbles him. We aren't going to break the bank on Ike or we would have resigned him early or tagged him.

I honestly think we are ready to move on without Ike... I don't see how Ike or his agent could think otherwise given the draft.

You are kidding right???

I think Taylor will remain. I think it is actually about a 70-30 right now. Don't read into the print. You are confident with McFadden, Gay, Butler, & Lewis??? Ok..McFadden was there last year. We saw what he has. He's a no. Stop gap. If he wasn't...The CB issue would be a non issue. Gay is a FA...We saw what he offers as a starter and a #3. Butler...Not even active in 2010 to starter? Lewis? Really...So you are saying Ike walks and the Steelers go into camp with McFadden, Gay, Butler, & Lewis and two rookies??? Not only do we not have or best CB but we don't even have ONE proven solid starter on a SB contender. Enough said on your part right there. You just mailed in 2011 because you wanted to keep the coin in your pocket and not hurt the growth of young players. We aren't the Panthers. I'm sure the 30+ vets have 2-3 years left in them until 2 or 3 of the CBs come around.


McFadden, Gay, Butler, & Lewis = 9-7 record. How anyone seriously thinks Lewis and Butler can step in as starters is amazing. LeBeau has given them no experience on the field in games so they would be OJTing and making it up as they go. That is what happens when you don't give your young players experience.
There are Pop Warner teams that would feel confident passing against this lineup.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-02-2011, 02:19 PM
CB

2010 – FT $9.566M, TT $8.056M

2011 projection – FT $14.354M, TT $11.817M

That looks like 10 to 15 mill range to me. I'm not just throwing out numbers I'm going by what most contract experts on here were saying. :wink:

Those numbers for a CB in a zone blitz D are insane IMO. We would be overpaying if we gave Ike anything over 7 mill.

I guess you missed the point of me giving you the 2010 franchise number and the best CB under contract numbers. The projected franchise tag for this year is based on salaries in January 2011 using the 120% rule and accelerated 2010 saleries like Hall. Basis for negotiation will be ceiling Revis at 11.5 avg, Bailey 2011 is 11 mil, and Robinson's 9.5 avg. One of the reason you didn't see the tag for Taylor was that if the current rules are in the new CBA the franchise tag would be the greater of avg of Top 5 for 2011 or 120% of 2010 salary. To put it in perspective for you...Do you think Taylor's agent has any leg to stand on asking for an average on the deal greater than Revis's 11.5? No he doesn't. That will be the measuring stick the Steelers negotiators will be using and Taylor's agent knows he can't seek greater compensation. So based on who is getting what..Taylor's salary will avg out between 8-9.5 mil which I have no problem with.

hawaiiansteel
06-02-2011, 02:28 PM
So based on who is getting what..Taylor's salary will avg out between 8-9.5 mil which I have no problem with.


me neither, I will be very happy if the Steelers sign Ike for those kind of numbers.

feltdizz
06-02-2011, 02:50 PM
CB

2010 – FT $9.566M, TT $8.056M

2011 projection – FT $14.354M, TT $11.817M

That looks like 10 to 15 mill range to me. I'm not just throwing out numbers I'm going by what most contract experts on here were saying. :wink:

Those numbers for a CB in a zone blitz D are insane IMO. We would be overpaying if we gave Ike anything over 7 mill.

I guess you missed the point of me giving you the 2010 franchise number and the best CB under contract numbers. The projected franchise tag for this year is based on salaries in January 2011 using the 120% rule and accelerated 2010 saleries like Hall. Basis for negotiation will be ceiling Revis at 11.5 avg, Bailey 2011 is 11 mil, and Robinson's 9.5 avg. One of the reason you didn't see the tag for Taylor was that if the current rules are in the new CBA the franchise tag would be the greater of avg of Top 5 for 2011 or 120% of 2010 salary. To put it in perspective for you...Do you think Taylor's agent has any leg to stand on asking for an average on the deal greater than Revis's 11.5? No he doesn't. That will be the measuring stick the Steelers negotiators will be using and Taylor's agent knows he can't seek greater compensation. So based on who is getting what..Taylor's salary will avg out between 8-9.5 mil which I have no problem with.

What if the Texans, Giants or Cards throw out crazy numbers for Ike's services? I know you said to throw out the Raiders $$$ but I think it will be used in negotiations... they always are regardless of how insane they are.

IMHO, I don't think Ike is worth 8 mill in our system.... I would prefer to let Ike walk and use that money locking up other players like Timmons and Troy.

Obviously the FO is willing to let the market set Ike's price and work from there unless they have a verbal contract. From the way Ike and his agent were talking a few weeks ago I think they believe there is big money out there.

feltdizz
06-02-2011, 02:50 PM
So based on who is getting what..Taylor's salary will avg out between 8-9.5 mil which I have no problem with.


me neither, I will be very happy if the Steelers sign Ike for those kind of numbers.

I wouldn't.

Ben210
06-02-2011, 03:56 PM
Some people's assertion on this topic leads me to believe that a big possession receiver was the missing piece to our would-be championship run last season.... it wasn't and still isn't. This is a non-issue regardless of some media hounds need to throw a story out there during a football news void (other than the lockout). If we take off the sentimental glasses, we'll definitely see that the Burgh will be the last place Plax will consider. He has to look at his age and impact on whatever team he decides to sign the dotted line with. I can't see his situation panning out to be another Mike Vick come-back story. IMHO, he wasn't a top 5 WR prior to his mishap.... let's not forget how old he is. Age, poor work ethic, locker room drama, off-field issues... some glaring red flags to off-set skills that may or may not still be there.

This.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-02-2011, 04:49 PM
CB

2010 – FT $9.566M, TT $8.056M

2011 projection – FT $14.354M, TT $11.817M

That looks like 10 to 15 mill range to me. I'm not just throwing out numbers I'm going by what most contract experts on here were saying. :wink:

Those numbers for a CB in a zone blitz D are insane IMO. We would be overpaying if we gave Ike anything over 7 mill.

I guess you missed the point of me giving you the 2010 franchise number and the best CB under contract numbers. The projected franchise tag for this year is based on salaries in January 2011 using the 120% rule and accelerated 2010 saleries like Hall. Basis for negotiation will be ceiling Revis at 11.5 avg, Bailey 2011 is 11 mil, and Robinson's 9.5 avg. One of the reason you didn't see the tag for Taylor was that if the current rules are in the new CBA the franchise tag would be the greater of avg of Top 5 for 2011 or 120% of 2010 salary. To put it in perspective for you...Do you think Taylor's agent has any leg to stand on asking for an average on the deal greater than Revis's 11.5? No he doesn't. That will be the measuring stick the Steelers negotiators will be using and Taylor's agent knows he can't seek greater compensation. So based on who is getting what..Taylor's salary will avg out between 8-9.5 mil which I have no problem with.

What if the Texans, Giants or Cards throw out crazy numbers for Ike's services? I know you said to throw out the Raiders $$$ but I think it will be used in negotiations... they always are regardless of how insane they are.

IMHO, I don't think Ike is worth 8 mill in our system.... I would prefer to let Ike walk and use that money locking up other players like Timmons and Troy.

Obviously the FO is willing to let the market set Ike's price and work from there unless they have a verbal contract. From the way Ike and his agent were talking a few weeks ago I think they believe there is big money out there.

That could happen. Smart thing to do is realize his value get him a deal so he doesn't see the market as soon as FA opens. Raiders contract was a little over 14 but it really won't be a marker. Routt was just another example.

Taylor is worth, in my opinion, anything on this side of 10 on avg. If you watch what he does on gameday...They can not compensate if he walk. You can roam with Troy when you can roll Clark as the single away from Ike in base. You won't be able to do that if he isn't there. The defense as a whole woll feel it in base. They need Ike to stick around until they can fill that void with there draft classes. It is really that simple as x'x & o's. If it isn't Ike...It will have to be somebody else. Easier & cheaper to keep you own.

If you approach FA as "if we keep him we can't keep him" you lose your core. Steelers have done an excellent job not taking this approach. If they have a guy who needs to see the field and a vet in front of him is up..They let him walk. Isn't the case with Taylor. The have nobody behind him and to make matters worse..They don't have anyone next to him. We will be having the same conversation next year or two if Harrisons production slips and Worilds or Carter show they need to hit the field. The have filled in nicely behing him nd they ahve show a commitment to Woodley. Just business.

The Steelers didn't let the market set Ikes price. The weren't going to do a signing bonus deal and get Ike under contract because it has been a long time philosophy not to make contracts cap friendly through signing bonuses with the salary cap rules in place. Ike & his agent are just playing the game they need to play to force the Steelers hand to put the better deal on the table in fear of having Ike hit the market. It would be the same advice I give Ike. If the Steelers are smart...The show Ike an avg in the neighborhood of 8.5-9 early and keep them at the table until Ike asks for a pen. He wants to be there..They want him there...Don't make another clubs willingness drive up his price. If Robinson is a 9.5 guy...get him done in that 8.5-9 range...4 years..Gurantee first 2 years...Give him incentives to capitalize which will not be difficult in the INT & probowl because his INT numbers aren't there & he has never been to PB. Now you got 2 years to get something out of the 4 young CBs to push to start. I personally think Lewis or Butler push McFadden down the depth chart this year. That's my opinion.

hawaiiansteel
06-03-2011, 03:49 AM
Updated: June 3, 2011

Jacobs: 'No chance' Plax joins Giants

By Ohm Youngmisuk
ESPNNewYork.com


NEW YORK -- Wide receiver Plaxico Burress becomes a free man on Monday when he is released from prison.

And according to good friend and former teammate Brandon Jacobs, Burress will not be returning to the New York Giants once the lockout ends.

"There is no chance Plaxico Burress is a New York Giant after he comes home," Jacobs said while attending teammate Justin Tuck's celebrity billiards event in Manhattan.

"He isn't coming to the Giants," Jacobs added. "He's got options. I would love for him to be a part of the Giants. I don't think that is even on his plate."

Jacobs has placed the Philadelphia Eagles as the leading candidate to land Burress once football resumes because of Burress' friendship with Michael Vick and the fact that the Eagles are loaded with talent offensively.

Both Vick and Burress grew up in the Virginia Beach area.

"I would hate to see him go to where I think he is going to go, that is from talking to him," Jacobs said of the Eagles when asked if he was talking about Philadelphia. "It is pretty tough to deal with all those different combinations. Plax is a Virginia guy, Vick is a Virginia guy. They went through sort of the same things and they got a lot of dynamic players down there. It wouldn't be a bad thing, he thinks, to go down there. He wants to win."

Jacobs is one of Burress' best friends and has remained in constant contact with the wide receiver, who accidentally shot himself in the thigh in November 2008. Burress pleaded guilty to attempted criminal possession of a weapon. He's eligible for time off for good behavior, so his prison time will end Monday after serving 21 months of his two-year sentence.

Jacobs said he is "so sure" of Burress' thinking "because I talk to him once a week."

"Plax is a Virginia guy, Vick is a Virginia guy. They went through sort of the same things and (the Eagles) got a lot of dynamic players down there. It wouldn't be a bad thing, he thinks, to go (to Philadelphia). He wants to win."

"He doesn't think there is anything wrong with the organization," Jacobs said of the Giants. "He just wants a new start."

"I'm way excited for (him)," Jacobs added of Burress' pending release. "He will get his opportunity. I am super happy for him and his family. His kids were over at my house a couple days ago. His wife seems super happy. It is a great thing for him to be coming home."

Tuck, who hosted a celebrity billiards tournament to raise money for his R.U.S.H. for Literacy foundation, is one of several Giants who want Burress back. When asked if he will talk to general manager Jerry Reese and ownership about a Burress reunion once the lockout ends, Tuck said he will continue what he started before the lockout began.

"I'm already campaigning," Tuck said prior to Jacobs' comments about Burress being unlikely to return to the Giants. "I was campaigning before the lockout started. I will say this much, go back and see what our record was when he shot himself and how devastating our offense was. You had to take a safety out of the box (against him). With our O-line and our running game, that opens up a lot of stuff. I'm excited. I hope we can get No. 17 back to Giants Stadium."

The Giants were 10-1 in 2008 before Burress shot himself that Nov. 28. The Giants made the postseason that year but have not been back since.

Tuck thinks the Giants and Burress make a lot of sense in 2011.

"I would think it is somewhere he would be comfortable, he knows everybody there and he knows the system," said Tuck, who also is friends with Burress. "He had great chemistry with Eli (Manning) and he has a lot of friends on this team and a team that wants him here. I am sure there are going to be a lot of teams that will want him."

"I can't speak for Plaxico," Tuck added. "He has a mind of his own and he knows what he wants to do. Coming from the captain of the New York Giants, I would love to have Plaxico back here in Giants blue."

Jacobs would love to convince Burress to return to the Giants but the running back mentioned his own uncertain future. Jacobs is under contract for two more seasons and will earn $4.65 million in 2011 and $4.9 million in 2012.

The Giants also want to re-sign starting running back Ahmad Bradshaw, who will either be a restricted or unrestricted free agent. Keeping both running backs could be difficult if the Giants have to give Bradshaw a big contract.

"If I knew where I would be next year, if I knew for a fact that I would be around -- no one knows anything now -- I would be trying to talk (Burress) into it," said Jacobs, who wants to return to the Giants and play with Bradshaw and Burress. "He wants to explore his options."

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/ ... id=6620668 (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=6620668)

feltdizz
06-03-2011, 07:59 AM
If Plax is looking for a new start it won't happen in Pittsburgh...

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-03-2011, 11:53 AM
If Plax is looking for a new start it won't happen in Pittsburgh...

I think the "new start" is a reference to his fall out with Coughlin and the Giants organization. I'm sure everyone in this interview talked to Burress at some point in time and they have a better sense of what he wants to do. Giants were a suitable landing spot because of what we discussed but he may have burned bridges there but he didn't do it here. The interesting quotes in the article spoken by his team mates are exactly why Pittsburgh is being looked at as a landing spot if his asking price isn't too high.


Jacobs has placed the Philadelphia Eagles as the leading candidate to land Burress once football resumes because of Burress' friendship with Michael Vick and the fact that the Eagles are loaded with talent offensively.

"I would hate to see him go to where I think he is going to go, that is from talking to him," Jacobs said of the Eagles when asked if he was talking about Philadelphia. "It is pretty tough to deal with all those different combinations. Plax is a Virginia guy, Vick is a Virginia guy. They went through sort of the same things and they got a lot of dynamic players down there. It wouldn't be a bad thing, he thinks, to go down there. He wants to win."

"I would think it is somewhere he would be comfortable, he knows everybody there and he knows the system," said Tuck, who also is friends with Burress. "He had great chemistry with Eli (Manning) and he has a lot of friends on this team and a team that wants him here. I am sure there are going to be a lot of teams that will want him."




Jacobs is rumored to be a cap casualty once a new CBA is in place. The Giants like Ware and the drafting of Scott could be a shift change if they can get Bradshaw under contract. Jacobs has his own agenda and don't be surprised if Jacobs and Burress are team mates again in 2011 on another team. The feeling I get is it will be the Eagles because I'm sure the words "slap in the face" have crossed his mind.

feltdizz
06-03-2011, 12:49 PM
not

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happen

Oviedo
06-03-2011, 01:13 PM
not

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happen

:Agree

Our WRs aren't the problem. We are going to have a hard enough time distributing meaningful catches among Wallace, Ward, Miller, Sanders, Sweed and Brown. You don't bring in Burress for getting like 20 catches which is about all he would probably get.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-03-2011, 02:51 PM
not

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happen

:Agree

Our WRs aren't the problem. We are going to have a hard enough time distributing meaningful catches among Wallace, Ward, Miller, Sanders, Sweed and Brown. You don't bring in Burress for getting like 20 catches which is about all he would probably get.

Would be nice if Sweed played well enough to be in that group...You are very optimistic putting him there with nothing to show as of yet.

Burress would easily be in the 40-50 range...Ward's play count will continue to go down and Burress would be a better option than anyone else on the roster right now to come in opposite Wallace to spell Ward or be the #3. The biggest thing is we don't have an X who can come in to bump Ward down to slot where he could best utilize his skill set out of 3 wide. If you don't have 2 WRs that could beat the jam and get vertical you are gonna see single S high on Wallace and always have the SS walking the box. Ward can beat the jam but there will be no S over the top. The simple X's & O's of the game hurts that Holmes got traded & Sweed didn't live up to his potential as of yet.

The WR group is very threatening against off coverage but doesn't threaten anyone in bump. Just roll FS to Wallace, man up, and walk the SS in the box against 3 wide. Jam the WRs and send the blitz. SS could bailout and still make his drop. The offense is very potent at each end of the stick. Base to Spread. It's the middle where you have to make the defense guess when you run out 3 WRs out on 2nd down & medium were they are lacking. We all see it... 2nd & 8...Send out 11 personnel...They still walk the SS up, man up, and send a blitz. Ben gets sacked and we are in 3rd & long. You have a guy like Burress or what they thought Sweed should have been...You have Wallace & Burress with Ward in the slot. Ward best attribute is his blocking ability so you have him there for crack back motion or even a lead. Wallace & Burress both command S help so the SS isn't shallow. Now you have the defense guessing and if they do blitz you give BB what he has been wanting since Burress left. One-on-One against Burress or Wallace in the face of a blitz...Throw it up to him if hot route is covered by LB drop. I know I'm not the only football guy who can see the offensive deficiencies.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-03-2011, 03:03 PM
not

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Wow..What a prediction. I agree. I'll play.



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hawaiiansteel
06-05-2011, 07:31 PM
Updated: June 5, 2011

Plaxico Burress gets out of jail Monday

ESPN.com news services

http://www.deliberationroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Plaxico-Burress-perp-walk.jpg

NEW YORK -- Locked up for 20 months for illegally carrying and firing a gun at a Manhattan nightclub, Plaxico Burress is ready to walk out of prison and face another grim reality, a lockout that could jeopardize the resumption of his football career.

The former New York Giants receiver who caught the game-winning pass in the 2008 Super Bowl is set to leave the Oneida Correctional Facility in upstate New York on Monday. Burress, who turns 34 in August, plans to return to his Florida home to spend time with his wife, son and a daughter born while he was in jail.

Unlike Michael Vick, released in 2009 from a federal term for dogfighting, Burress doesn't have a league waiting to bid on his services.

But "he will play in the NFL this year," Drew Rosenhaus, Burress' agent, said in an email to The Associated Press. "Many teams want him. He will be a top free agent. He is healthy and ready to go. He will be signed shortly after the lockout ends."

Burress' release caps a more than three-year saga that saw yet another athlete put behind bars, separated from family and friends and losing the riches and lifestyle most only dream about.

"You go from being the absolute hero to finding yourself in jail for a mistake in judgment," Peter M. Frankel, Burress' attorney, told the AP in an interview. "It's really a tragic story."

Burress was at the pinnacle of his career when everything went south.

The lanky 6-foot-5 receiver seemingly had a career-defining moment when he caught a 13-yard pass from Eli Manning with 35 seconds to play to give the Giants a stunning 17-14 win over the undefeated New England Patriots in the 2008 Super Bowl.

Nine months later his world unraveled. Burress, with a handgun tucked in his sweatpants, hit a a New York City nightclub with then Giants linebacker Antonio Pierce. Burress' weapon slipped from his waistband and discharged as he attempted to grab it, injuring him in the thigh. The bullet narrowly missed a security guard, prosecutors said.

Burress' wound was not serious. The fallout was disastrous.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg called for him to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and was irate that officials at New York-Presbyterian Hospital/Weill Cornell Medical Center treated Burress and failed to report the shooting, as required by law. A doctor who treated Burress was later suspended.

Burress was sentenced to two years in prison in September 2009 after pleading guilty to attempted criminal possession of a weapon. The gun was not licensed in New York or in New Jersey, where Burress lived. His license to carry a concealed weapon in Florida had expired in May 2008.

His attorney has said he carried the gun because he feared for his safety after the slayings of NFL players Sean Taylor and Darrent Williams the year before.

Said Frankel: "I don't think that he will ever believe that the punishment fit the crime," but prison has given Burress "a new appreciation" for his family and good fortune.

Mateen Cleaves, a former NBA player and a friend of Burress from their days at Michigan State, said he visited the player in prison earlier this year.

"It was hard to see him in that situation, but he made it easier on me because he was upbeat and in good spirits" Cleaves said. "Some people can turn a negative into a positive, and he's one of those people."

Some believe Burress has taken the lesson of his experience seriously, including the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a prominent advocacy group that pressed for him to go to prison but supported his unsuccessful bid to get work release last year.

Held in protective custody because of his celebrity status, Burress didn't have a cellmate but was able to socialize with others in his unit, including "Sopranos" actor Lillo Brancato Jr., who's serving 10 years on an attempted burglary conviction.

Burress worked as a grounds maintenance laborer, completed an 100-hour anger management course and tutored other inmates in reading, writing and math. His wife, who's a lawyer, visited frequently with his young children, Frankel said.

At Oneida Correctional Facility, he had some brushes with prison discipline, too.

At various points, prison officers said he lied to get to use the phone at a time when calls weren't usually allowed, gave another inmate a pair of sneakers (considered an "unauthorized exchange") and had three dozen cassette tapes and an extra, state-issued pillow in a "filthy" cell strewn with bags of food, dirty clothes, books and mail, prison records obtained by the AP show. The infractions -- considered minor -- cost him recreation, phone and other privileges at times, and he was told to clean up his room.

Still, Burress "really bent over backward to try and learn what the rules and regulations were, to try to comply," Frankel said.

That ends Monday upon his release.

"We are grateful that Plaxico will be reunited with his family," Giants co-owner John Mara said Thursday. "His release from prison is long overdue."

Burress will face no further disciplinary action by the NFL. His league suspension was concurrent with his jail term.

Former Giants teammate Osi Umenyiora said the lockout may work in Burress' favor because he will have time to train and get ready for the season.

"He will be great when he comes out and play very well like he always has, I'm sure," said Umenyiora, who said he visited Burress in prison. "I know many teams will give him a chance because he has rare talent and ability. Overall I'm sad for what he went through, but glad that that time period is over."

The Giants have said they will keep their options open when Burress comes on the market after missing two seasons.

Former teammate Brandon Jacobs doesn't expect to have a reunion with Burress with the Giants.

"There is no chance Plaxico Burress is a New York Giant after he comes home," Jacobs said while attending teammate Justin Tuck's celebrity billiards event in Manhattan last week.

"He isn't coming to the Giants," Jacobs added. "He's got options. I would love for him to be a part of the Giants. I don't think that is even on his plate."

Vick, who served a 23-month federal sentence for running a dogfighting ring, has shown it is possible to successfully return to the league.

After missing two full seasons and playing sparingly in 2010, the 30-year-old set career highs in passing yards (3,018), passing touchdowns (21), rushing touchdowns (9), completion percentage (62.6) and passer rating (100.2) this past season in leading the Eagles to the NFC East title, earning The Associated Press Comeback Player of the Year award.

Vick said in a radio interview with WIP in Philadelphia that Burress would be a great fit with the Eagles.

"I think certainly Plaxico is going to come out with a chip on his shoulder the same way I did, and he'll go out and help this football team to whatever capacity he can," Vick said. "I think the guys would be willing to embrace him and bring him in. If that happens? Who knows? We talking about 'what ifs' now? It would certainly be a good thing."

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/ ... id=6628315 (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=6628315)

feltdizz
06-06-2011, 09:41 AM
not

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Wow..What a prediction. I agree. I'll play.



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Interest



Price

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if you want to believe we are interested but the price is too high go ahead and fantasize...

Do it every FA period with all the good players...

whatever makes you feel better about not getting players we have no interest in.

feltdizz
06-06-2011, 12:56 PM
Plax is out... and in his first interview he has on a Phillies cap.

Hmm... I think Philly is the perfect fit because his crime is minimal compared to Vick so it makes sense to go there. Remember...

Marvin Harrison shot a guy and hit an innocent bystander in North Philly, lied about not having the gun, the cops FOUND the gun in a bucket on his property. The ballistics matched the weapon and the cops still said they didn't have enough to press charges and it's a no-brainer...

and Florio said it's possible he could return to the Steelers so given his hate for our team it's obvious it won't happen. :D

hawaiiansteel
06-06-2011, 05:03 PM
Plax is out... and in his first interview he has on a Phillies cap.



gee, I wonder where Plaxiglass is leaning towards going?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0606/nfl_a_burrisrelease_288.jpg

RuthlessBurgher
06-06-2011, 06:07 PM
Plax is out... and in his first interview he has on a Phillies cap.



gee, I wonder where Plaxiglass is leaning towards going?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0606/nfl_a_burrisrelease_288.jpg

That hoodie is black and gold! :stirpot :lol:

http://media.nj.com/giants_impact/photo/9670771-large.jpg

birtikidis
06-06-2011, 08:11 PM
Plax is out... and in his first interview he has on a Phillies cap.



gee, I wonder where Plaxiglass is leaning towards going?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0606/nfl_a_burrisrelease_288.jpg
From the way his body language speaks... looks to me like right back to prison.

Oviedo
06-07-2011, 07:51 AM
Remember when there were actually individuals who advocated we keep Burress and let Ward go??????????

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-07-2011, 08:07 AM
Am I the only one that thinks he looks like Snoop Dogg???

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-07-2011, 08:19 AM
if you want to believe we are interested but the price is too high go ahead and fantasize...

Do it every FA period with all the good players...

whatever makes you feel better about not getting players we have no interest in.

You know what Felt..I never do it every FA period. SO to imply that is weak. So stop running your mouth and talking like a little boy playing grade school games with the "whatever" crap. You don't have to like the guy...But it isn't fantasy and there will be interest. The interest from other teams will be high and unless he wants to play for less, he will be elsewhere. Like I said, my feeling is the Eagles. You have me mistaken for someone else. From your unwarranted implication about what I did in the past...I have you mistaken for someone else too. I was wrong about you.

RuthlessBurgher
06-07-2011, 10:05 AM
Am I the only one that thinks he looks like Snoop Dogg???

Except Snoop wears a cooler hat:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0606/nfl_a_burrisrelease_288.jpghttp://sunglassesfinder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/aaron-rodgers-matt-flynn-tom-brady-status-concussion-questionable-doubtful-injury-injured-new-england-patriots-green-bay-packers-sunday-night-game-nfl-football-nbc.jpg

Not to mention those plastic ball thingies that 4 year old girls wear at the end of their braids.

feltdizz
06-07-2011, 10:07 AM
if you want to believe we are interested but the price is too high go ahead and fantasize...

Do it every FA period with all the good players...

whatever makes you feel better about not getting players we have no interest in.

You know what Felt..I never do it every FA period. SO to imply that is weak. So stop running your mouth and talking like a little boy playing grade school games with the "whatever" crap. You don't have to like the guy...But it isn't fantasy and there will be interest. The interest from other teams will be high and unless he wants to play for less, he will be elsewhere. Like I said, my feeling is the Eagles. You have me mistaken for someone else. From your unwarranted implication about what I did in the past...I have you mistaken for someone else too. I was wrong about you.

You said Colbert is interested and the only way we wouldn't get a shot :wink: at Plax is if he was too expensive. Implying that Plax could be a Steeler again is crazy talk. But... if he did become a Steeler you have the ammo to rib me for a while and I would take it like a man.

I respect Plax's game but I don't respect him as a man... I know he will get interest, I've been saying the Iggles for a while but you keep implying Plax wants to be here and we would welcome him.

That isn't going to happen. I was wrong about you too... I thought you could separate your head from your heart.

feltdizz
06-07-2011, 10:10 AM
Plax is out... and in his first interview he has on a Phillies cap.



gee, I wonder where Plaxiglass is leaning towards going?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0606/nfl_a_burrisrelease_288.jpg
From the way his body language speaks... looks to me like right back to prison.

I was about to defend him because he just got out of prison but you are right. He could have asked his agent for a suit or suitable wear...

I'm willing to bet he has missed practices and infractions once he gets back in the swing of things.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-07-2011, 10:55 AM
if you want to believe we are interested but the price is too high go ahead and fantasize...

Do it every FA period with all the good players...

whatever makes you feel better about not getting players we have no interest in.

You know what Felt..I never do it every FA period. SO to imply that is weak. So stop running your mouth and talking like a little boy playing grade school games with the "whatever" crap. You don't have to like the guy...But it isn't fantasy and there will be interest. The interest from other teams will be high and unless he wants to play for less, he will be elsewhere. Like I said, my feeling is the Eagles. You have me mistaken for someone else. From your unwarranted implication about what I did in the past...I have you mistaken for someone else too. I was wrong about you.

You said Colbert is interested and the only way we wouldn't get a shot :wink: at Plax is if he was too expensive. Implying that Plax could be a Steeler again is crazy talk. But... if he did become a Steeler you have the ammo to rib me for a while and I would take it like a man.

I respect Plax's game but I don't respect him as a man... I know he will get interest, I've been saying the Iggles for a while but you keep implying Plax wants to be here and we would welcome him.

That isn't going to happen. I was wrong about you too... I thought you could separate your head from your heart.

Not crazier than your thinking the Steelers want to move on without Ike. It's only common sense on both fronts that make business sense. With your personal feelings on Burress it seems rather hypocritical of you to accuse me of not seperating my heart from my head don't you think? :shock: I have no personal siding with the player. I just recognize a good fit that will help the team. Since he didn't burn any bridges, it would be a possibility if he would play for the Steelers number. Being way off would be saying Holmes is headed back here (he was one of my favorites as a player). Logically, that will never happen. Since Burress has been mentioned to the Steelers as a possible landing spot because of the history by many other people in the media...I concur with their opinions.

Burress has many friends still on this team and they have kept contact. That is widely known. Several players including Ward & Farrior were quoted saying he would be welcome back with open arms. I'm not implying anything...The smart person is capable of drawing conclusions from things that are reported. Call it speculation but if a players says it...I believe that is called confirmation not implying. The were quoted on record saying that so not implying he will be welcomed back. Putting blinders on shows your personal feelings being held. Saying you don't want him is fine. Saying it won't be considered BECAUSE you don't want him is perhaps condescending.

I'm not one to come back and say I told you so. I'm not looking for that. None of us know what goes behind the scenes and we don't have the resources to come up with proof. The interest could be a simple call to Drew and what Burress is looking for...Ends there. We have to rely on what is reported through the media. I'm drawing conclussions on what I read and common sense...Not my beliefs or personal opinions of a player. That's called using your head...Not your heart.

feltdizz
06-07-2011, 01:00 PM
I never said the Steelers don't want Ike... I said based on the draft and the market the chances of Ike coming back are slim.

Now Plax may have friends on the Steelers but what does that mean to the FO? Vick still has friends on the Falcons but we knew he wasn't going back to them. I'm pretty sure you can find 5 players on any team who would welcome back a player with issues because they are friends. A reporter asking this question doesn't confirm interest by the FO.. it just confirms what we already know... Plax still has friends on the Steelers.

If we were willing to let Holmes go for weed and twitter rants why would you think we would bring back a 34 year old ex player who just got out of prison?

We went to 3 SB's without Plax.... I'm curious to know why you think our FO thinks a 34 year old ex-Steeler who just did 2 years in the pen would make a great Steeler. I'm not saying Plax won't be good or have an impact on the field at his age... but the Steelers are not thinking about him.

That is common sense and using your head. :D

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-07-2011, 03:31 PM
I never said the Steelers don't want Ike... I said based on the draft and the market the chances of Ike coming back are slim.

Now Plax may have friends on the Steelers but what does that mean to the FO? Vick still has friends on the Falcons but we knew he wasn't going back to them. I'm pretty sure you can find 5 players on any team who would welcome back a player with issues because they are friends. A reporter asking this question doesn't confirm interest by the FO.. it just confirms what we already know... Plax still has friends on the Steelers.

If we were willing to let Holmes go for weed and twitter rants why would you think we would bring back a 34 year old ex player who just got out of prison?

We went to 3 SB's without Plax.... I'm curious to know why you think our FO thinks a 34 year old ex-Steeler who just did 2 years in the pen would make a great Steeler. I'm not saying Plax won't be good or have an impact on the field at his age... but the Steelers are not thinking about him.

That is common sense and using your head. :D

"I seriously doubt Ike gets resigned unless the market humbles him. We aren't going to break the bank on Ike or we would have resigned him early or tagged him.

I honestly think we are ready to move on without Ike... I don't see how Ike or his agent could think otherwise given the draft."

That was you right? Or were you hacked?

It simply make sense. I'm not the only one with this opinion. He has a history here. Although you don't want to say it...Still a good history here. Familiarity with the system, OC, players (QB), FO...It all means something. Strong veteran core on a contender with stability. The list is short. You keep saying 34 year old...That's part of the argument. Is Burress going to go to the Rams? No...But he will visit them and Drew will say he is very interested to drive his price up. FO hasn't said anything so that is proof? The question can't be asked to any of the Steelers brass because of no CBA...But I will give you the answer. The words "Due Diligence" will come out of Tomlin's mouth. The words "Explore every player who will make this team better" will come out of Colbert's mouth. The call will be made to Burress's agent. The Steelers will not get in a bidding war over him. Believe what you want. If that means believing they won't have any interest because you don't like him...Continue to think that.

Your hatred for Burress is evident. I can see that. If you see him as a harsh criminal who served two years for a terrible crime...It is clear. Holmes & Burress comparison isn't even close. Holmes showed he became a liability for an investment when he showed he couldn't stay away from weed. Even though he was one of my favs...You have to move on. Can't make an investment in him. Burress did time. Broke the law and had to pay. At 34 he isn't a big investment and if he is the Steelers will pass. El & Battle don't belong here and Ward's play count has been going down. Burress would be a huge addition and ensure our WR personnel will always have at least 1 legit X on the field regardless of injury or substitution. If Sweed was who they thought he was...You would have seen the effect.

I see what this team lacks on offense. I also know this team has positioned itself for a sprint. Burress (or a Burress type) might be the only piece that could be added to have a significant impact on offense. I saw a team get up on our WRs and out physical them when they got the ball with 2 minutes in the SB. They couldn't get off the jamb and BB couldn't throw anyone open. We went to 3 SB with alot of different pieces...Do we not add or upgrade? That's a dumb a$$ philosophy to have. We went to three SB with Ike and a bunch of #3 & #4 CBs playing opposite him. Why would we need to add any? Good reasoning there. No common sense or using your head. :P

It will all unfold right in front of us. We will hear bits & pieces as Burress shops around. My guess would be the Eagles because I see that combination as the best with his style of play matched with Vick. They are a legit contender and have a QB who will thrive off of Burress's addition to Jackson & Co. That will be a dangerous O with Jackson & Burress getting deep off broken plays when Vick threatens to run. Look out NFC.

feltdizz
06-07-2011, 04:27 PM
"I seriously doubt Ike gets resigned unless the market humbles him. We aren't going to break the bank on Ike or we would have resigned him early or tagged him.

I honestly think we are ready to move on without Ike... I don't see how Ike or his agent could think otherwise given the draft."

That was you right? Or were you hacked?

That's me... but please show me where I say the Steelers WANT to move on without IKe. It's business and sometimes you can't keep everyone. Woodley, Timmons and Troy are our priorities... this is my opinion of course but we have tough choices to make and I think Ike at market value at his age is a tough choice. If he leaves it's not because we didn't want him... I never said that. All my post imply we are ready to move on given the circumstances stated above.


You are firmly planted in the Plax camp so I'm done with that one... You think we want him and I don't think we want or need him.

We will see how it plays out.. I agree Tomlin will spit out the cliches.. but I think as the reports start coming out after the fact we will hear there was no interest from the FO.

I don't take cliche answers from players on whether Plax would be welcomed back as proof of anything beyond friendship.

You are right though.. I don't like Plax, used to really like him as a Steeler, respected him as a Giant but his last year in NYC when he was cursing out the coach on live TV and getting infractions left and right he turned me off as a fan.

I've never hid my hate for Plax so I have no idea why you keep bringing it up... even if I loved Plax I would still say his chances of being a Steeler are 0.0. Look around, I know it's the off season but has anyone else said Plax being a Steeler is a possibility?

I wonder why? :wink:

feltdizz
06-07-2011, 04:33 PM
We went to three SB with Ike and a bunch of #3 & #4 CBs playing opposite him. Why would we need to add any? Good reasoning there. No common sense or using your head. :P

Because Ike is a FA... Gay is a UDFA.. McFadden has been hurt and is a liability in coverage.

Now look at the WR situation. Wallace is a burner, Hines possession, Sanders is great and young, Brown is good and young... and Sweed is, well he is Sweed. :wink:

Common Sense dude... our WR core is young and talented. We don't need Plax.

hawaiiansteel
06-07-2011, 09:22 PM
sounds like Plaxico is still a prima donna...


Plaxico Burress: 3 prison rule violations, filthy room

While in prison, Buress completed an aggression-management program and worked as a lawn and grounds laborer, according the state’s Department of Correctional Services.

He violated prison rules three times: He lied to a guard about having permission to use the phone; gave another inmate a pair of black and silver sneakers that were deemed contraband; and had too many cassette tapes and an unauthorized extra pillow in his “filthy” cell.

According to documents obtained by TMZ, “Inmate Burress’s room was filthy. I found opened bags of food on the floor, under the bed and under dirty clothes, books and paperwork, mail scattered throughout the room.” The report continued, “Burress was told to clean his room.”

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/in ... ead=405676 (http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=405676)

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-07-2011, 09:57 PM
"I seriously doubt Ike gets resigned unless the market humbles him. We aren't going to break the bank on Ike or we would have resigned him early or tagged him.

I honestly think we are ready to move on without Ike... I don't see how Ike or his agent could think otherwise given the draft."

That was you right? Or were you hacked?

That's me... but please show me where I say the Steelers WANT to move on without IKe. It's business and sometimes you can't keep everyone. Woodley, Timmons and Troy are our priorities... this is my opinion of course but we have tough choices to make and I think Ike at market value at his age is a tough choice. If he leaves it's not because we didn't want him... I never said that. All my post imply we are ready to move on given the circumstances stated above.


You are firmly planted in the Plax camp so I'm done with that one... You think we want him and I don't think we want or need him.

We will see how it plays out.. I agree Tomlin will spit out the cliches.. but I think as the reports start coming out after the fact we will hear there was no interest from the FO.

I don't take cliche answers from players on whether Plax would be welcomed back as proof of anything beyond friendship.

You are right though.. I don't like Plax, used to really like him as a Steeler, respected him as a Giant but his last year in NYC when he was cursing out the coach on live TV and getting infractions left and right he turned me off as a fan.

I've never hid my hate for Plax so I have no idea why you keep bringing it up... even if I loved Plax I would still say his chances of being a Steeler are 0.0. Look around, I know it's the off season but has anyone else said Plax being a Steeler is a possibility?

I wonder why? :wink:

I did show you...It's your quote in red. We are arguing about opinions. We will see what happens when FA starts. The steelers might not get past a phone call because maybe his mind is set on where he wants to go and he will hit the teams drew tells him to hit to drive up his price. We will leave Burress be until later.

Like i said before, the Steelers move on when another guy needs to hit the field. Woodley & Timmons will get their deals. Troy back to form will get his. The signing of Ike won't stop this. Not signing him will hurt the team.

We all would have said sining El & Foote had no chance. But it was the smart decision based out what happened. We also would have gave a 0 chance of Clark sticking aound after he was shown the money. Who could have ever predicted signing a multi year deal for a special teams demon. Like I said...A sprint. These moves are evidence to it. Don't be surprised when more happens.

As many who are against it in here...Same number are for it. I have seen & heard many mention the Steelers as a landing spot for Burress as well as the same saying somehwere else. Funny...First post in this topic was about Burress & the Steelers. Didn't have to look far.

We will leave it at that.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-07-2011, 10:18 PM
We went to three SB with Ike and a bunch of #3 & #4 CBs playing opposite him. Why would we need to add any? Good reasoning there. No common sense or using your head. :P

Because Ike is a FA... Gay is a UDFA.. McFadden has been hurt and is a liability in coverage.

Now look at the WR situation. Wallace is a burner, Hines possession, Sanders is great and young, Brown is good and young... and Sweed is, well he is Sweed. :wink:

Common Sense dude... our WR core is young and talented. We don't need Plax.

Common Sense? Wouldn't your first sentence be reason to make Taylor a priority??? I'm rolling here. But you think they are ready to move on without him with Gay as a FA & McFadden being hurt and a liabilty? All the better reason to move on without Taylor....I don't think so. The point was you said why would we need Burress we won 3 SB without him. I was just using your line of thinking on the CB situation. Apparently the Steelers don't think like you because the drafted 2 CBs. If theyretain Taylor...Point taken.

Common sense dude. Ward is 35. Ward isn't an every down player. Ward's best position right now should be inside. Wallace..Great potential. Legit weapon. Get someone on the field with him as a threat...His production peaks. Sanders...I hope he tuns out great. But two foot surgeries is a little concern for a WR who makes his noise with his suddeness. Can he be an X...Not sure. More of a slot right now. Brown...I like his potential. But I don't think anyone in here could confidently say Sanders or Brown would be capable of 60 plus cathes next year if the had to move to #2. I don't think they are seasoned enough to match up yet with #2 CBs on playoff caliber teams. Sweed??? Well...He is the disappointment and the reason this conversation happened. Sweed should have been that X WR in 3 wide by now that moved Ward inside. The go to guy in the face of the blitz that BB can throw to in 1 on 1 when the hot route is jumped. The guy who can beat the jamb and get vertical that keeps the S in the middle of the field when the blitz is coming. This really isn't about opinions of a player. It's about X's & O's. Maybe the hope is Wards weight loss gives him some youthfulness and Sweed FINALLY shows up. I'm all for that! But do you gamble that will be the case when you got several vets that might be in their last year. I'm glad that decision is in the FO's hands and not mine.

Oviedo
06-08-2011, 08:15 AM
[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":ug48djzz]We went to three SB with Ike and a bunch of #3 & #4 CBs playing opposite him. Why would we need to add any? Good reasoning there. No common sense or using your head. :P

Because Ike is a FA... Gay is a UDFA.. McFadden has been hurt and is a liability in coverage.

Now look at the WR situation. Wallace is a burner, Hines possession, Sanders is great and young, Brown is good and young... and Sweed is, well he is Sweed. :wink:

Common Sense dude... our WR core is young and talented. We don't need Plax.

Common Sense? Wouldn't your first sentence be reason to make Taylor a priority??? I'm rolling here. But you think they are ready to move on without him with Gay as a FA & McFadden being hurt and a liabilty? All the better reason to move on without Taylor....I don't think so. The point was you said why would we need Burress we won 3 SB without him. I was just using your line of thinking on the CB situation. Apparently the Steelers don't think like you because the drafted 2 CBs. If theyretain Taylor...Point taken.

Common sense dude. Ward is 35. Ward isn't an every down player. Ward's best position right now should be inside. Wallace..Great potential. Legit weapon. Get someone on the field with him as a threat...His production peaks. Sanders...I hope he tuns out great. But two foot surgeries is a little concern for a WR who makes his noise with his suddeness. Can he be an X...Not sure. More of a slot right now. Brown...I like his potential. But I don't think anyone in here could confidently say Sanders or Brown would be capable of 60 plus cathes next year if the had to move to #2. I don't think they are seasoned enough to match up yet with #2 CBs on playoff caliber teams. Sweed??? Well...He is the disappointment and the reason this conversation happened. Sweed should have been that X WR in 3 wide by now that moved Ward inside. The go to guy in the face of the blitz that BB can throw to in 1 on 1 when the hot route is jumped. The guy who can beat the jamb and get vertical that keeps the S in the middle of the field when the blitz is coming. This really isn't about opinions of a player. It's about X's & O's. Maybe the hope is Wards weight loss gives him some youthfulness and Sweed FINALLY shows up. I'm all for that! But do you gamble that will be the case when you got several vets that might be in their last year. I'm glad that decision is in the FO's hands and not mine.[/quote:ug48djzz]

As I mentioned in another post I really think our WR group takes off if Sweed can step up. Hines, ARE, Sanders and Brown are all essentially the same type of WR best suited to play in the slot. We need someone like Sweed who can get downfield and take some of the safety coverage away from Wallace. Quite frankly, I see no reason to even bring ARE or Battle back. Put the young guys into the fire.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-08-2011, 08:38 AM
As I mentioned in another post I really think our WR group takes off if Sweed can step up. Hines, ARE, Sanders and Brown are all essentially the same type of WR best suited to play in the slot. We need someone like Sweed who can get downfield and take some of the safety coverage away from Wallace. Quite frankly, I see no reason to even bring ARE or Battle back. Put the young guys into the fire.

100% AGREE with you O on all points. Sweed can be the difference if he shows up. We have a talented group at WR but the playoff run showed me we don't have the bodies capable of getting seperation when the man-up. With Wallace pulling S help...Ward & Sanders don't command any help and that allows DC to send the blitz. I don't see any reason ARE or Battle should be on the roster either. But Sweed is that "Burress type" of player he showed in college. If he can finally bring that to the field...That gives BB something he doesn't have.

We all remember what he did when Burress was here & he got in trouble. Throw Burress open and allow him to use his frame or just put it up 1 on 1. There isn't a guy on here that could do that. BB pick 6 in the SB was the perfect example. BB only choice was to try and put it up over the coverage and allow Wallace to run under it. He had to hold the ball a little to move/hold teh S to see if he would clear. Actually would have worked but he got hit on his release. Burress / Sweed would have been able to read that and know that the under throw to the fly quick would have been his bail out with the S high on Wallace. The WR uses his frame to get between him and the QB. Wallace's CB is mostly in trail and with the S high that route is taken away. But imagine what options are there if the other WR is 1 on 1 on the other side of the field & a guy like Ward using his vet skills and route running to work the underneath along with Miller. I'm all for the Sweed Sighting because he is young and can give us that for years to come. Unfortunate for him & us...He's on the edge throwing his arms in circle trying to keep his balance.

feltdizz
06-09-2011, 12:52 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/ ... might-land (http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/40915/where-plaxico-burress-might-land)

They break down all 32 teams chances of getting Plax using high, medium, low and no chance.

Here's the Steelers

The Steelers have been there and done that by drafting Burress in 2000. He was unpredictable and inconsistent in Pittsburgh, and the Steelers won't go down that road again.

NO CHANCE!

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-09-2011, 02:15 PM
Well the ESPN staff thinks so it must be right. :lol:

Well since other sources is what is fueling YOUR stance...How about this idiotic betting odds site?

http://beat.bodog.eu/sports/nfl-betting ... 24382.html (http://beat.bodog.eu/sports/nfl-betting-news-which-team-will-sign-plaxico-burress-24382.html)

Philadelphia Eagles 3/2
New York Jets 3/1
St. Louis Rams 11/2
Washington Redskins 15/2
Minnesota Vikings 15/2
Pittsburgh Steelers 10/1
Chicago Bears 12/1
New York Giants 12/1
Cleveland Browns 15/1
Oakland Raiders 15/1




How About Ed Bouchette? He isn't afraid to speak his mind. His latest chat never ONCE said no to Burress.

JamesinNYC: Burress a lot more hassel then he would ever be worth?

Ed Bouchette: I don't know what the hassle would be. When I wrote the Steelers should look into him, I prefaced by saying provided he is in shape physically and mentally, that the price was right, and that he would be willing to take a lesser role as a possible non-starter.

Ron Cook and Vic Carucci think Pittsburgh is a possible landing spot for Burress. Like I said, for whatever you want to throw out against, I could throw out for.



What I find interesting is when a decision maker for the Steelers slams the door in your thinking.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/06/ ... o-burress/ (http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/06/07/can-steelers-sign-plaxico-burress/)

Do the Pittsburgh Steelers have a realistic chance of signing wide receiver Plaxico Burress?

Head coach Mike Tomlin told Bob Pompeani yesterday that the team would have interest because he has talent.







http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/06/ ... cal-youth/ (http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/06/06/tomlin-goes-extra-mile-for-local-youth/)

In addition to the golf tournament, KDKA’s Bob Pompeani spoke with Tomlin about football as well, including former Steelers wide receiver Plaxico Burress’ release from prison today after spending 20 months behind bars for illegally carrying and then accidentally firing a gun at a Manhattan nightclub.

Tomlin believes Burress will be good in his return to the NFL.

Pompeani asked Tomlin if he would consider giving Burress a chance to play in Pittsburgh.

“Why wouldn’t ya? We’re interested in competing and acquiring talent,” Tomlin said to Pompeani. “As a principal we don’t talk about potential free agents and things of that nature, but you can’t deny the talent level in that young man.”






Read into whatever you want. Time will tell.

RuthlessBurgher
06-09-2011, 03:09 PM
“Why wouldn’t ya? We’re interested in competing and acquiring talent,” Tomlin said to Pompeani. “As a principal we don’t talk about potential free agents and things of that nature, but you can’t deny the talent level in that young man.”

I disagree with this part.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-09-2011, 03:43 PM
“Why wouldn’t ya? We’re interested in competing and acquiring talent,” Tomlin said to Pompeani. “As a principal we don’t talk about potential free agents and things of that nature, but you can’t deny the talent level in that young man.”

I disagree with this part.

Tomlin is 5 1/2 years older than Burress but if you count Burress's age in "prisoner years" , he's only about 31. :wink:

I also found that funny. Maybe Tomlin is referring to his maturity level? :stirpot

feltdizz
06-09-2011, 04:10 PM
We all know Tomlin is great at giving cliches answers that are positive in nature.

Plax is a great talent... but he won't be a Steeler and we have no interest in him.

why not get Moss or T.O. if we really need a big target? Why get the guy fresh out of jail who didn't want to be a Steeler and talked trash about the city right after he left?

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-10-2011, 10:19 AM
We all know Tomlin is great at giving cliches answers that are positive in nature.

Plax is a great talent... but he won't be a Steeler and we have no interest in him.

why not get Moss or T.O. if we really need a big target? Why get the guy fresh out of jail who didn't want to be a Steeler and talked trash about the city right after he left?

You are hilarious felt. It's ok for you to pull up a story on a site and be all over it if it is the same opinion as you. It's Gold in your eyes. But someone else does it...You shrug it off and claim it is bull$hit. I believe it was you that posted something about believing "Pittsburgh" people over beat writers or people outside in the media. Hmmmm. Typical you though.

If you feel TO & Moss are the same type of player...So be it. We have no connections with them. You labeled Burress as a cancer. You mentioned "cancer" WRs right there. If you followed him so "closely" as you claimed because you are from NY, then you would know he was digruntled in the 2008 campaign because he felt underpayed and wanted his deal redone. He didn't show maturity the way he handled it and was a distraction. He got another deal, but he pretty much did too much damage with Coughlin and it looked like he quit. His injury that year that ended his Giants run was one that "may" have been a fabricated lay down. Immature and selfish...Absolutely. He had the same flavor his last year here. He isn't a TO, Moss, or Johnson "cancer"...but he has issues. The Steelers won't consider him if he is looking for elite dollars. But he can help a team in a sprint. If you don't understand "sprint" or won't consider the fact the Steelers are in a sprint...Then you are naive in the front office decision making process. The uncharacteristic offseason from a year ago proves to me the Steelers understand where they are at.

Think what you want...Steelers have interest. Interest doesn't mean it will happen because market and ultimately Burress's decision will dictate how it is pursued. Burress didn't burn any bridges here. He said the same thing many said in contract situations. He got better money elsewhere. That was his driving force. He said "It's Pittsburgh." He wasn't happy playing out his last year of his contract without another deal. That isn't uncommon around the whole league. Faneca was a model of excellence and his contract year was filled with negative remarks and questionable effort.

Again, we are arguing about opinions that could be supported on both fronts. There could be events that support either side once FA begins. You don't like the guy...So be it. I feel he is a missing piece to the Steelers offense. There isn't many pieces you could add to improve the offense but that piece would have the biggest impact as a whole. Sweed was supposed to fill that void. If the Steelers don't get that big WR who could beat the jam and get seperation or just be a mismatch 1 on 1 for the bail out ball...the Steelers will struggle against CB deep teams.

You draft for your division. You want to know why the Steelers need a "Burress". Here's the list of reasons. Jimmy Smith, Ladarius Webb, Dominuque Foxworth, Josh Wilson, Ed Reed, & Dawan Laundry. There's the Raven's Dime. The core of Ward, Wallace, Sanders, Brown, & Miller will not force the Ravens coverage in 2, 3, or 4 WR sets. The Steelers OL can't man-up with the Ravens front. You had to be watching the 3 games last year. If you can't see what is coming...You are in for some disappointment. Where do you think the Packers came up with their defensive game plan? Copycat league...The Steelers got alot of exposure last year. They need "two steps" forward against the competition to get back where they should be while names like Ward, Smith, Farrior, Hampton, Hoke, Harrison, Clark, Keisel, & Adams play out their final year or two as a Steeler. There is the reality of it. Take the list, write those names down. Come back to it in two years and to no surprise, 8 or even all of those will be gone. Sprint....Window....Our FO isn't stupid.

hawaiiansteel
06-10-2011, 03:30 PM
Updated: June 10, 2011

Plaxico Burress discusses prison life

ESPN.com news services


When it comes to playing again, Plaxico Burress just asks for a clean slate.

Speaking to The Wall Street Journal in his first extensive comments since being released Monday from prison, Burress reiterated he was ready for another chance in the NFL.

"I know what I'm capable of," the former Giants receiver told the newspaper. "All I need to say to teams is, 'Don't judge my future by my past.' Just let me come out and play football."

Burress confirmed prison-life cliches such as bad food and lost time held true. And the weight room wasn't much beyond serviceable, the Journal reported.

"There is nothing pleasant about prison," he said. "There's so much I can tell you and (at the same time) no one thing I can put my finger on. There's an emotional toll and there were definitely some guys I was around who'd done things that made me say, 'Really, seriously, I am here?' "

Yet Burress said he thought he left prison a better receiver than he entered.

"There weren't a lot of guys throwing perfect spirals in there," Burress joked. "I had to work to catch those balls."

Burress has not played football since late November in 2008 when a handgun that was tucked in his sweatpants slipped from his waistband and went off as he tried to grab the gun while in a New York City nightclub.

Burress shot himself in the thigh. Nearly a year later, he entered prison to serve his sentence in September 2009. He was released about three months early for good behavior.

The templates are in place for Plaxico Burress to overcome his mistakes, thanks to the experiences of Michael Vick and others, ESPN.com's Howard Bryant writes. Story

Burress deserves a chance to resume his NFL career, but teams should know what they're getting into with this monument to insubordination, ESPNNewYork.com's Ian O'Connor writes. Story

Burress said he was able to watch NFL games on Sunday and Monday nights during the 20-month, 16-day stay at Oneida Correctional Facility in upstate New York.

"It definitely makes you hungrier. You watch your friends have success and you want to recommit yourself and accomplish things again," he said.

Burress said he will bide his time during the lockout by focusing on his family.

"Time had definitely passed," he told the Journal of seeing his family again, including 4-year-old Elijah. "I hold conversations with my son and I see how really intelligent he is and I'm so grateful."

On 18-month-old daughter Giovanna: "We just have to let her do her."

Burress said the family-first approach was part of the advice parted to him from Michael Vick, one of several NFL players who have offered their support and lobbied for the receiver's post-lockout services.

Former teammates Justin Tuck and Shaun O'Hara have said they would like to see Burress back with the Giants.

"You never know what may happen," Burress said. "I love New York. My fan base has always supported me there, and I've had teammates there who I've shared special moments with outside of football."

Burress said his agenda for next week, after he returns from Florida to his home in Totowa, N.J., will include a public appearance Monday with former Colts coach Tony Dungy to talk about gun safety.

"I'm taking it easy this week, but next week it starts again," Burress said. "I think I'll get right back into it and I'll fall back in line with all of it. How I feel about football and what I know I can do -- that's not anything two years can change."

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/ ... id=6648746 (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=6648746)

feltdizz
06-10-2011, 04:16 PM
You are hilarious felt. It's ok for you to pull up a story on a site and be all over it if it is the same opinion as you. It's Gold in your eyes. But someone else does it...You shrug it off and claim it is bull$hit. I believe it was you that posted something about believing "Pittsburgh" people over beat writers or people outside in the media. Hmmmm. Typical you though.



Wait? Hold up? Stop? How am I supposed to convince you that you're wrong if I don't post stories that support my argument?

Did all the stories about Pouncey II really make people think we had a chance to get him? People WANTED to believe it but we all knew he wasn't going to be there. The media in Pittsburgh still ran a bunch of stories because it's good for business.

...and JPN, I no longer like Plax, you keep repeating it like I'm denying it. I've said it already... but I'll say it again. Even if I loved Plax like a brother I feel his chances of being a Steeler don't even exist.

I used those other WR's because I think a big WR isn't a need or a want. We have other areas that need to be addressed. Plax would be nothing more than a distraction. It would be Plaxico media day EVERYDAY.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-10-2011, 05:09 PM
You are hilarious felt. It's ok for you to pull up a story on a site and be all over it if it is the same opinion as you. It's Gold in your eyes. But someone else does it...You shrug it off and claim it is bull$hit. I believe it was you that posted something about believing "Pittsburgh" people over beat writers or people outside in the media. Hmmmm. Typical you though.



Wait? Hold up? Stop? How am I supposed to convince you that you're wrong if I don't post stories that support my argument?

Did all the stories about Pouncey II really make people think we had a chance to get him? People WANTED to believe it but we all knew he wasn't going to be there. The media in Pittsburgh still ran a bunch of stories because it's good for business.

...and JPN, I no longer like Plax, you keep repeating it like I'm denying it. I've said it already... but I'll say it again. Even if I loved Plax like a brother I feel his chances of being a Steeler don't even exist.

I used those other WR's because I think a big WR isn't a need or a want. We have other areas that need to be addressed. Plax would be nothing more than a distraction. It would be Plaxico media day EVERYDAY.

You are not going to convince me with an article from ESPN. You won't ever convince me with the rumblings I hear and the fact that Tomlin didn't squash it. I'm not wrong. Neither are you. You can think what you want and I will think what I want. I have my reason why I think my way. I too showed you some of what fuels my side. We can have different opinions and that's all they can be. Neither of us have 100% proof either way so that is exactly what it is....opinions & specualtion.

I know you don't like Burress and I'm not repeating it like you are denying it. I'm repeating it because that is obviously part of the reasoning why you don't think it is possible...Because you don't want him. That's fine...You don't have to like him. The Steelers sign players I don't like and I deal with it. They show interest in players I don't like too. I have no control over.

You used those WRs to imply character. You want to say it was just coincidence that both big WR you mentioned had character issues...fine. But your line of thinking is avoid the guy "fresh" out of jail for two guys who are legit distractions and changed uniforms 5 times already. If they play again it will be 6. Burress will not provide any more if a distraction then BB issues last year. The organization is strong from top to bottom including the players. They all dealt with it and made a SB appearance.

Do they have otherpersonnel issues...Of course they do. CB needs to be fixed. Get Taylor under contract and go from there. They have young guys who SHOULD be ready to contribute & drafted two more. OL...Will finally sort it self out. From a football stand point, we all saw what needs to be addressed. CB needs help. The other was obvious the deeper they went into the playoffs. Is it something that has to be addressed? Maybe not. Maybe Sweed has his breakout year. Maybe there is a hidden gem somewhere. You would hope Sanders & Brown grow some. I look in the division and see a defense that could have made bigger strides in the secondary that the Steelers will if they stay idle. It was only inches & seconds that seperated them last year. I also see a Bengals defense who is making big strides. What I don't see is a guy on the Steelers playing WR that is not impacted by field conditions, weather, or being matched up by a bigger or more physical DB outside of Ward. What makes it worse is Ward is 35 and maybe the Steelers get 2 years out of him. Playing the Ravens at least twice a year and the fact that the divisional games are all cold climate teams...Having an athletic WR group isn't going to get you by in certain matchups. If you didn't see that fine line against the Jets, Ravens, & Packers last year...You must have been watching the Giants games. :wink:

feltdizz
06-10-2011, 10:49 PM
What games have you been watching because the Steelers have been to 3 SB's without Burress.

I think you will find a decent amount of Steeler fans who would take Burres back in a heartbeat but most of them know it isn't going to happen. My hate has nothing to do with reality. After Holmes and the weed and Ben and the accusations a 34 year WR who just did 2 years for shooting himself isn't going to happen.

I just threw out names of big WR's who were available recently and had baggage. We drafted some talented WR's and went to a SB last year. We beat the Ravens on an amazing helmet catch on 3rd and 10. Sanders clinched the AFC championship with a catch.

You talk about our WR's like it's our weakness... it's our strength and if Ben was on and Sanders didn't get injured I'm positive we would have beat GB.

birtikidis
06-10-2011, 11:10 PM
What games have you been watching because the Steelers have been to 3 SB's without Burress.

I think you will find a decent amount of Steeler fans who would take Burres back in a heartbeat but most of them know it isn't going to happen. My hate has nothing to do with reality. After Holmes and the weed and Ben and the accusations a 34 year WR who just did 2 years for shooting himself isn't going to happen.

I just threw out names of big WR's who were available recently and had baggage. We drafted some talented WR's and went to a SB last year. We beat the Ravens on an amazing helmet catch on 3rd and 10. Sanders clinched the AFC championship with a catch.

You talk about our WR's like it's our weakness... it's our strength and if Ben was on and Sanders didn't get injured I'm positive we would have beat GB.
it was brown with the catch wasn't it?

feltdizz
06-11-2011, 09:30 AM
What games have you been watching because the Steelers have been to 3 SB's without Burress.

I think you will find a decent amount of Steeler fans who would take Burres back in a heartbeat but most of them know it isn't going to happen. My hate has nothing to do with reality. After Holmes and the weed and Ben and the accusations a 34 year WR who just did 2 years for shooting himself isn't going to happen.

I just threw out names of big WR's who were available recently and had baggage. We drafted some talented WR's and went to a SB last year. We beat the Ravens on an amazing helmet catch on 3rd and 10. Sanders clinched the AFC championship with a catch.

You talk about our WR's like it's our weakness... it's our strength and if Ben was on and Sanders didn't get injured I'm positive we would have beat GB.
it was brown with the catch wasn't it?

Yep... Brown had the helmet catch in the Ravens game.

We are stacked at the WR position. Unless Plax is willing to play for Primanti sammiches there is no reason to entertain the idea.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-11-2011, 09:53 AM
What games have you been watching because the Steelers have been to 3 SB's without Burress.

I think you will find a decent amount of Steeler fans who would take Burres back in a heartbeat but most of them know it isn't going to happen. My hate has nothing to do with reality. After Holmes and the weed and Ben and the accusations a 34 year WR who just did 2 years for shooting himself isn't going to happen.

I just threw out names of big WR's who were available recently and had baggage. We drafted some talented WR's and went to a SB last year. We beat the Ravens on an amazing helmet catch on 3rd and 10. Sanders clinched the AFC championship with a catch.

You talk about our WR's like it's our weakness... it's our strength and if Ben was on and Sanders didn't get injured I'm positive we would have beat GB.

I'm watching the same games you are but apparently you watch it as a spectator. I have a very good football mind and I can see the blueprint that has been drawn to beat the Steelers. The league has seen it to. Plain & simple.The Steelers have talented athletic WRs. But if you have the personnel, Ravens-Jets-GB, to match up 1 on 1 in bump or man under 2 deep...You can stop the Steelers offense. The teams we saw late in the playoffs, which we will see again, have the personnel. One looks to be in our division and rule #1 is beat your division. It was clear as day what those defense were doing to us. Those young WRs were still being jammed or couldn't get seperation when BB went through his progressions. We look great when we go shotgun and spread them out and get zone. One of the reason the hurry up works so well.

You made my point that we one the championship game on a helmet catch by Brown.

If Ben was on and Sanders didn't get hurt the Steelers would have won. BB got the ball back with 2 minutes and did nothing. The Packers ran with our Wrs in a man under 2 deep. BB had nowhere to go with the ball. Do you remember that 2 of their starters got hut too? No...You wouldn't remember that. Did it ever occur to you that part of BB being "off" might have something to do with his WRs couldn't get open? No...You wouldn't. Your game consist of where the camera zooms. BB was just off and Sanders was hurt. Nothing to do with Capers and the Packers gameplan and personnel match-up. Brilliant reasoning.

The interest is already there. Level of interest? We won't know until FA starts and the market for Burress is shown. Saying there is interest is the easy part. Saying it will happen is another. I'm not arguing that it will happen and we will outbid everyone. You simply saying "not gonna happen" sooths you...rub it all over. That's not my argument. There is interest already. Hurts! Will it happen? I don't think it will because someone will flash some $$$$ on a contender that will be too hard to pass up. Do I want to see it happen? Yes! Sweed gives me no reason to believe he will be that guy and the Steelers have at best a 2 year window. That guy isn't on the roster. Will he help this team? Absolutely...I saw what teams were doing to them if they have the personnel that can do it. Sorry the Facts hurt. Is it the end of the season if they don't get a "Burress" type of guy in the offense? No...But if they don't vastly improve the CB play...I don't think we will have the fire power to compete against the elite teams in the playoffs when we fall behind. Do you want them to sign Burress? No...Heard your opinion. It is not a secret anymore how to level the playing field against the Steelers. He who sits still sits home. You have seen this NFL.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-11-2011, 10:07 AM
What games have you been watching because the Steelers have been to 3 SB's without Burress.

I think you will find a decent amount of Steeler fans who would take Burres back in a heartbeat but most of them know it isn't going to happen. My hate has nothing to do with reality. After Holmes and the weed and Ben and the accusations a 34 year WR who just did 2 years for shooting himself isn't going to happen.

I just threw out names of big WR's who were available recently and had baggage. We drafted some talented WR's and went to a SB last year. We beat the Ravens on an amazing helmet catch on 3rd and 10. Sanders clinched the AFC championship with a catch.

You talk about our WR's like it's our weakness... it's our strength and if Ben was on and Sanders didn't get injured I'm positive we would have beat GB.
it was brown with the catch wasn't it?

Yep... Brown had the helmet catch in the Ravens game.

We are stacked at the WR position. Unless Plax is willing to play for Primanti sammiches there is no reason to entertain the idea.
Don't you think you should give two rookies, one with 28 catches & 2 offseason foot surgeries and the other with 16 catches another year in the NFL before you tab the Steelers WR core as "Stacked". Promising is a better word.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-11-2011, 12:06 PM
Here ya go felt. Bouchette radio interview that covers both of our opinions. He believes it makes sense and will be interested but will be all about the money. So we could end this and see what happens. There is an audio link on the page under the writing.


http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/05/ ... o-burress/ (http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/05/23/steelers-insider-ed-bouchette-talks-plaxico-burress/)

feltdizz
06-11-2011, 02:11 PM
Wow... Thank you for blessing the board with your awesome football IQ. :shock:

I think the whole world knows the blue print to beatIng the Steelers D. How many of them can execute the blueprint? 3.... maybe 4?

You claim to watch more than the game with your awesome football eyes but you are blind to the facts. 3 SB's without Burress, I'll take Sanders youth and injured foot over 2 years in prison with a bullet wound in the leg. Our passing attack is lethal and I think we are stacked at WR.

Burress on talent alone would make us better but you can look at FA's and find talent at most posistions that would make us better on "paper" so that line of thinking doesn't fly. Did our WR's struggle to get off the line last year? In some games they did but as time when on then improved.

The only interest we have in Buress is seeing if he lands on a team we play next year.

birtikidis
06-11-2011, 03:32 PM
I don't want Burress.
I was a huge fan of his when he came out from MSU. BUT I think he never lived up to the hype. He's always been overrated in my opinion. I'd rather spend the money making sure our qb doesn't get beat to death.

feltdizz
06-11-2011, 09:02 PM
What games have you been watching because the Steelers have been to 3 SB's without Burress.

I think you will find a decent amount of Steeler fans who would take Burres back in a heartbeat but most of them know it isn't going to happen. My hate has nothing to do with reality. After Holmes and the weed and Ben and the accusations a 34 year WR who just did 2 years for shooting himself isn't going to happen.

I just threw out names of big WR's who were available recently and had baggage. We drafted some talented WR's and went to a SB last year. We beat the Ravens on an amazing helmet catch on 3rd and 10. Sanders clinched the AFC championship with a catch.

You talk about our WR's like it's our weakness... it's our strength and if Ben was on and Sanders didn't get injured I'm positive we would have beat GB.
it was brown with the catch wasn't it?

Yep... Brown had the helmet catch in the Ravens game.

We are stacked at the WR position. Unless Plax is willing to play for Primanti sammiches there is no reason to entertain the idea.
Don't you think you should give two rookies, one with 28 catches & 2 offseason foot surgeries and the other with 16 catches another year in the NFL before you tab the Steelers WR core as "Stacked". Promising is a better word.

When you look at our teams needs the term "stacked" fits perfectly regarding our WR core. These guys are #3 and #4 WR's, they aren't going to get a ton of passes to begin with and remember, Brown is a pretty good KR. Given their production, Ben missing 4 games and the end result last year why would you take snaps away from them?

You talk about our FO like they are the Redskins... I could see if our young WR's were struggling but they produced pretty well for rookies under intense pressure in the playoffs.

..and Tomlin is from the Tony Dungy tree, I don't think you will ever hear Tomlin speak negatively or brush off a question about a player Tony Dungee is mentoring.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-13-2011, 12:34 PM
Wow... Thank you for blessing the board with your awesome football IQ. :shock:

I think the whole world knows the blue print to beatIng the Steelers D. How many of them can execute the blueprint? 3.... maybe 4?

You claim to watch more than the game with your awesome football eyes but you are blind to the facts. 3 SB's without Burress, I'll take Sanders youth and injured foot over 2 years in prison with a bullet wound in the leg. Our passing attack is lethal and I think we are stacked at WR.

Burress on talent alone would make us better but you can look at FA's and find talent at most posistions that would make us better on "paper" so that line of thinking doesn't fly. Did our WR's struggle to get off the line last year? In some games they did but as time when on then improved.

The only interest we have in Buress is seeing if he lands on a team we play next year.

You want to make it personal because you have no football intelligence you could share? Don't run your mouth. I have to share because your obviously incompetent. Bless a person sarcasticly because you have nothing. Another great move by a person lacking. I'm not blind to the facts. You put your personal feelings into a team you know little about besides what city they are from and the color of their jerseys. You haven't given anything to do with football why Burress doesn't fit...Only because you don't like him. That's fine...you don't like him & don't want him. Fact is he would help this team. Fact is there already is interest.

I'm not trading Sanders & Brown for Burress. Never said that or even mentioned it. Put in your little twists to make the sewage running out of your mouth smell better to you. We are not "stacked" at WR. We are "stacked" at possible slot WRs. Our passing attack is "lethal"? I wouldn't describe it as "lethal" against the Ravens, Jets, & Packers. That's when it counts. If you knew anything about football you would know Burress isn't considered the same position on the field as Sanders & Brown. Sanders and Brown may never be an X. No reseason to believe the could as of yet. Again, crowning Sanders & Brown with 28 & 16 catches as a rookie is a stretch. They were productive as rookies but what gives you any indication they could put up numbers against a teams 1 or 2? Nothing. Promising...Not "stacked". A guy like Troy Edwards put up 61 his rookie year and then disappeared.

You are correct there are not many teams that match up with the Steelers. However, we will see one of those teams that match up well with us twice a year. The other we will see down the stretch. Our WRs struggled to get seperation. The Jets, Ravens, and Packers showed we are missing an element. Improving doesn't equal success. They didn't do it at the most crucial time of the 2010 season. They struggles more often than not down the stretch as the competition got better. The opposition improves as our players do too.

There are pieces right now that would have a huge immediate impact on both sides of the ball. I would put a #2 CB with Taylor retained as #1. I would then put an X WR next. You don't have the football IQ to know what impact he would have on BB & Wallace so there is no reason to continue. You repeatedly refer to Burress as a guy who got out of prison for shooting himself and haven't provided anything with football reasoning why he shouldn't be here. I not looking to make them better on "paper". I know what he will provide on the field to the offense. I don't give him a pass on his immaturity or his prison time...But I do believe playing for the Steelers is the right situation.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-13-2011, 12:47 PM
When you look at our teams needs the term "stacked" fits perfectly regarding our WR core. These guys are #3 and #4 WR's, they aren't going to get a ton of passes to begin with and remember, Brown is a pretty good KR. Given their production, Ben missing 4 games and the end result last year why would you take snaps away from them?

You talk about our FO like they are the Redskins... I could see if our young WR's were struggling but they produced pretty well for rookies under intense pressure in the playoffs.

..and Tomlin is from the Tony Dungy tree, I don't think you will ever hear Tomlin speak negatively or brush off a question about a player Tony Dungee is mentoring.

You pretty much solidified my argument right there about Sanders & Brown.

There are several teams that are "stacked"....Not the Steelers. Not yet.

RuthlessBurgher
06-13-2011, 01:21 PM
In our offensive now, isn't Wallace the split end (X), Ward the flanker (Z), and Sanders/Brown the slot (Y)? When Burress was here, he was the split end as well. Since Wallace is our best WR who also has youth on his side, he would rarely come off the field. The aging Ward, however, could probably use a breather every now and then. Would an aging Burress be able to split time with an aging Ward at an unfamiliar flanker position?

feltdizz
06-13-2011, 01:39 PM
Wow... Thank you for blessing the board with your awesome football IQ. :shock:

I think the whole world knows the blue print to beatIng the Steelers D. How many of them can execute the blueprint? 3.... maybe 4?

You claim to watch more than the game with your awesome football eyes but you are blind to the facts. 3 SB's without Burress, I'll take Sanders youth and injured foot over 2 years in prison with a bullet wound in the leg. Our passing attack is lethal and I think we are stacked at WR.

Burress on talent alone would make us better but you can look at FA's and find talent at most posistions that would make us better on "paper" so that line of thinking doesn't fly. Did our WR's struggle to get off the line last year? In some games they did but as time when on then improved.

The only interest we have in Buress is seeing if he lands on a team we play next year.

You want to make it personal because you have no football intelligence you could share? Don't run your mouth. I have to share because your obviously incompetent. Bless a person sarcasticly because you have nothing. Another great move by a person lacking. I'm not blind to the facts. You put your personal feelings into a team you know little about besides what city they are from and the color of their jerseys. You haven't given anything to do with football why Burress doesn't fit...Only because you don't like him. That's fine...you don't like him & don't want him. Fact is he would help this team. Fact is there already is interest.

I'm not trading Sanders & Brown for Burress. Never said that or even mentioned it. Put in your little twists to make the sewage running out of your mouth smell better to you. We are not "stacked" at WR. We are "stacked" at possible slot WRs. Our passing attack is "lethal"? I wouldn't describe it as "lethal" against the Ravens, Jets, & Packers. That's when it counts. If you knew anything about football you would know Burress isn't considered the same position on the field as Sanders & Brown. Sanders and Brown may never be an X. No reseason to believe the could as of yet. Again, crowning Sanders & Brown with 28 & 16 catches as a rookie is a stretch. They were productive as rookies but what gives you any indication they could put up numbers against a teams 1 or 2? Nothing. Promising...Not "stacked". A guy like Troy Edwards put up 61 his rookie year and then disappeared.

You are correct there are not many teams that match up with the Steelers. However, we will see one of those teams that match up well with us twice a year. The other we will see down the stretch. Our WRs struggled to get seperation. The Jets, Ravens, and Packers showed we are missing an element. Improving doesn't equal success. They didn't do it at the most crucial time of the 2010 season. They struggles more often than not down the stretch as the competition got better. The opposition improves as our players do too.

There are pieces right now that would have a huge immediate impact on both sides of the ball. I would put a #2 CB with Taylor retained as #1. I would then put an X WR next. You don't have the football IQ to know what impact he would have on BB & Wallace so there is no reason to continue. You repeatedly refer to Burress as a guy who got out of prison for shooting himself and haven't provided anything with football reasoning why he shouldn't be here. I not looking to make them better on "paper". I know what he will provide on the field to the offense. I don't give him a pass on his immaturity or his prison time...But I do believe playing for the Steelers is the right situation.

Whew... Lucky me I was born and raised 15 minutes from Three Rivers Stadium or I wouldn't have the slightest idea what color the jerseys are or where they played. :roll:

Burress WAS a Steeler... he had no impact on the Patriots in the 2004 AFCCG. He also had a killer football spike as a rookie after a reception that resulted in a TO. Plaxico has a ton of talent but he has a subpar work ethic, doesn't hustle, misses practices for no reason at all and has major problems with authority. Would he make the team better on the field? Absolutely! Would he put up numbers? Sure! Would he be a distraction? Absolutely! Would his every move be a media nightmare? Sure!

I never suggested a trade so I have no idea where you got that idea from but Plax would take reps, passes and playing time away from 2 really good WR's who have bright FUTURES with our team. I never crowned our WR group as the best every but it is STACKED when you look at positions of need.

If our OL play better I'm sure we will see these WR's flourish... you act like Ben was on top of his game in the SB.. Ben had a wide open WR in the Jets game in the second half and threw to the wrong shoulder and a TD turned into an INT. It happens but spare me the 1 game we lose to GB being the sole reason to get Plaxico again.

Are you even a Steeler fan? All you have done is praise the Jets, Ravens and GB and slobber over Plaxico.

I've repeated time and time again that even if I loved Plax half as much as you do I wouldn't entertain the thought of him returning because I know how the team operates. I just wish I could remember the color of their uni's? :wink:

feltdizz
06-13-2011, 01:42 PM
In our offensive now, isn't Wallace the split end (X), Ward the flanker (Z), and Sanders/Brown the slot (Y)? When Burress was here, he was the split end as well. Since Wallace is our best WR who also has youth on his side, he would rarely come off the field. The aging Ward, however, could probably use a breather every now and then. Would an aging Burress be able to split time with an aging Ward at an unfamiliar flanker position?

We are really interested in Plaxico so you never know :lol:

hawaiiansteel
06-13-2011, 03:20 PM
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Plaxico Burress takes new direction

By Ohm Youngmisuk

ESPNNewYork.com
Updated: June 13, 2011


NEW YORK -- A remorseful Plaxico Burress said he no longer owns a firearm and that he wants to help mentor and speak to youth about the dangers of owning a gun.

In his first in-depth public comments, Burress spoke about how everything changed in his life that one night he carried an unlicensed gun into a Manhattan nightclub and accidentally shot himself in the thigh. He said the incident has motivated him to help others avoid the same mistake. He is teaming with the National Urban League and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence to speak to and mentor youth about the dangers of gun violence. And like Michael Vick, Burress has former Colts coach Tony Dungy standing by his side as an advisor and mentor.

"It was a tragic accident," Burress said at the National Urban League's headquarters in Manhattan. "I have paid a tremendous price for a bad decision. I say to myself all those 20 months and all those days [in prison], how can I take the next step and how can people learn from what happened to me?"

"If I can just help a child to think about the decision of carrying a firearm or not to carry one out of the home, he or she may save lives in itself," Burress continued. "You can make a mistake and you can be a better person from it and along the way bring people with you."

Wearing a suit and tie and talking without any script or notes, Burress seemed genuine, sincere and humbled and said he spoke from the heart.

Like he did with Vick after the quarterback's prison sentence for financing a dogfighting ring, Dungy stood by Burress' side and is mentoring the former football star. The Super Bowl-winning coach visited Burress in prison in the spring and had a profound impact on the wide receiver. Dungy and Vick will help guide Burress in his comeback in life and football.

"It was one of the most single-handedly most important visits that I did have," Burress said. "Talking about life and taking next steps in life. Just for him to reach out to me in a time and situation where a lot of people shied away, it just meant a lot to me."

Dungy said he sees so many similarities between Burress and Vick.

"You have to come to the conclusion that you can't do things the same way you did," Dungy said. "You got to change. For Mike, I think he realized that in prison, when he went to a birthday party and had a near miss, he realized everything he worked for with a decision can come to an end. I know he has communicated that to Plax, when you come out, you have to think about everything you do."

Burress said he spent many hours thinking about the one decision that turned his life upside down.

"I dealt with so many different emotions over that time that I can't really put a finger on one particular one," Burress said. "I said to myself over and over again all those many days and nights, how could something like this happen to me. Why did it happen to me? I got to a point saying, you know what, I want to be positive and I am going to learn from it and try to make every day my masterpiece. I can't go back in time and get those two years back. The only thing I can do now is learn what happened to me and go from it and take it one day at a time."

Dungy recalled that at the first meeting of every training camp he would ask how many players owned weapons. About 90 percent would raise their hands, he said.

"That's the society we live in," Dungy said. "They feel they have to get a gun to protect themselves or because everyone else is doing it. That doesn't need to be the situation."

Burress had some advice for players about guns.

"If you're going to carry a weapon, make sure you've done everything properly, that you're obeying all the laws or the rules of that state, and you know fully how to operate the weapon if you choose to carry one," he said.

Burress, who will turn 34 in August, will be a free agent once the lockout ends and free agency begins. He is expected to have his share of suitors despite having not played since 2008.

"Mike told me, 'Coach, I can be better than what I was because I didn't really apply myself and I didn't work at it, and if I can get an opportunity I can be better,'" Dungy said of what Vick told him prior to joining the Eagles. "I didn't believe that. Plax told me, 'I can be better.' He said, 'I was banged up my last year and I was not healthy so I haven't been able to run and work the way that I would, but I'm healed up so I can be better.'"

"After what happened with Mike, I can't doubt him," added Dungy. "Something as a coach tells me I don't believe that, but I have to let it play out and see."

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/ ... id=6656559 (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=6656559)

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-13-2011, 03:36 PM
In our offensive now, isn't Wallace the split end (X), Ward the flanker (Z), and Sanders/Brown the slot (Y)? When Burress was here, he was the split end as well. Since Wallace is our best WR who also has youth on his side, he would rarely come off the field. The aging Ward, however, could probably use a breather every now and then. Would an aging Burress be able to split time with an aging Ward at an unfamiliar flanker position?

X,Y, & Z varies on offense. What constant is X is on the line. X is the guy who could man up and bump and beat the jam. When they do have Ward and Wallace same side, Wallace is on the line and Ward is off for motion. Wallace is much better off the line where it doesn't allow the CB to get square and get his hands on him so he could jamb him. Sanders & Brown are similiar. Best scenario would be out of 11 personnel where you have Burress, or so Felt doesn't get upset, a "Burress Type" of WR on the line split left with Ward off on left. Miller at TE right with Wallace split right off LOS. If the football minds draw it up in their head and consider the Steelers O...You know where it goes from there.

You hit the nail on the head. Burress would be Wards spell. Over the last couple years...Anyone who knows there is football going on behind the front 7 knows what Ward 's shallow alignment does. I know you go to every game Ruth & you get to see it. Ward in slot or motion doesn't scare the SS off the LOS...It actually brings him up. Putting Wallace out a X just simple rolls the FS CF and the SS still walks up. If you send Wallace of LOS left, which now is his most productive spot, the CB can't get up on him at the LOS, Wallace gets clean release and FS over top. But...SS is up in box because Ward on the rightside isn't scaring any D. If they run strong, Ward is counted on as a TE to block but the SS counts as 8 in the box. So how do the compensate for some of the inabilty to beat jamb....Bunch sets. SOund familiar? Bunch gets you off press or zone so the DB doesn't get knocked off in the wash. Burress back on the field would see less 2 TE sets because Ward could seal the corner with a crack and the 3 wide would draw the nickel. Ward is being counted as a TE at this point in his career in base.

feltdizz
06-13-2011, 04:02 PM
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Plaxico Burress takes new direction

By Ohm Youngmisuk

ESPNNewYork.com
Updated: June 13, 2011


NEW YORK -- A remorseful Plaxico Burress said he no longer owns a firearm and that he wants to help mentor and speak to youth about the dangers of owning a gun.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/ ... id=6656559 (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=6656559)

Is he even allowed to own a firearm since he is a felon?

feltdizz
06-13-2011, 04:06 PM
In our offensive now, isn't Wallace the split end (X), Ward the flanker (Z), and Sanders/Brown the slot (Y)? When Burress was here, he was the split end as well. Since Wallace is our best WR who also has youth on his side, he would rarely come off the field. The aging Ward, however, could probably use a breather every now and then. Would an aging Burress be able to split time with an aging Ward at an unfamiliar flanker position?

X,Y, & Z varies on offense. What constant is X is on the line. X is the guy who could man up and bump and beat the jam. When they do have Ward and Wallace same side, Wallace is on the line and Ward is off for motion. Wallace is much better off the line where it doesn't allow the CB to get square and get his hands on him so he could jamb him. Sanders & Brown are similiar. Best scenario would be out of 11 personnel where you have Burress, or so Felt doesn't get upset, a "Burress Type" of WR on the line split left with Ward off on left. Miller at TE right with Wallace split right off LOS. If the football minds draw it up in their head and consider the Steelers O...You know where it goes from there.

Ward 's shallow alignment does. I know you go to every game Ruth & you get to see it. Ward in slot or motion doesn't scare the SS off the LOS...It actually brings him up. Putting Wallace out a X just simple rolls the FS CF and the SS still walks up. If you send Wallace of LOS left, which now is his most productive spot, the CB can't get up on him at the LOS, Wallace gets clean release and FS over top. But...SS is up in box because Ward on the rightside isn't scaring any D. If they run strong, Ward is counted on as a TE to block but the SS counts as 8 in the box. So how do the compensate for some of the inabilty to beat jamb....Bunch sets. SOund familiar? Bunch gets you off press or zone so the DB doesn't get knocked off in the wash. Burress back on the field would see less 2 TE sets because Ward could seal the corner with a crack and the 3 wide would draw the nickel. Ward is being counted as a TE at this point in his career in base.

Thanks.

RuthlessBurgher
06-13-2011, 04:25 PM
Burress had some advice for players about guns.

"If you're going to carry a weapon, make sure you've done everything properly, that you're obeying all the laws or the rules of that state, and you know fully how to operate the weapon if you choose to carry one," he said.


In other words, don't holster a loaded weapon in the elastic of your sweatpants. :lol:

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-13-2011, 04:30 PM
Whew... Lucky me I was born and raised 15 minutes from Three Rivers Stadium or I wouldn't have the slightest idea what color the jerseys are or where they played. :roll:

Burress WAS a Steeler... he had no impact on the Patriots in the 2004 AFCCG. He also had a killer football spike as a rookie after a reception that resulted in a TO. Plaxico has a ton of talent but he has a subpar work ethic, doesn't hustle, misses practices for no reason at all and has major problems with authority. Would he make the team better on the field? Absolutely! Would he put up numbers? Sure! Would he be a distraction? Absolutely! Would his every move be a media nightmare? Sure!

I never suggested a trade so I have no idea where you got that idea from but Plax would take reps, passes and playing time away from 2 really good WR's who have bright FUTURES with our team. I never crowned our WR group as the best every but it is STACKED when you look at positions of need.

If our OL play better I'm sure we will see these WR's flourish... you act like Ben was on top of his game in the SB.. Ben had a wide open WR in the Jets game in the second half and threw to the wrong shoulder and a TD turned into an INT. It happens but spare me the 1 game we lose to GB being the sole reason to get Plaxico again.

Are you even a Steeler fan? All you have done is praise the Jets, Ravens and GB and slobber over Plaxico.

I've repeated time and time again that even if I loved Plax half as much as you do I wouldn't entertain the thought of him returning because I know how the team operates. I just wish I could remember the color of their uni's? :wink:
I'm 15 minutes from the little Pens but that doesn't make me an expert on hockey.

You mentioned you would take Sanders & Brown over Burress. I was clarifying I'm never said "Instead" anywhere. Sanders & Brown are still part of the equation.

The WR position in not "Stacked". Sanders & Brown have done nothing yet. How does 40+ catches between 2 rookie equate to "stacked"? We haven't even seen Sanders start a stretch of games and have a matchup against a #1 or #2 CB and your are crowning him the next Holmes. Let the kid break 50 before you put him in the HOF.

If you think it all came about from the SB then I guess you are stuck wacthing the Giants because you are from NY. It happened ever game against the Ravens & Jets. It also showed up against the Bengals. Really...You are not watching.

BB was off in the SB. But I also saw WR who couldn't get off the LOS & being bumped off there routes. You want to blame everything on BB...Go ahead. His WR didn't help him.

I see now. You are one who worried about taking playing time away from young players. Isn't it about what is best for the team? It won't hinder anyones development. The team is more concerned about winning the year in front of them.

Ben threw to the wrong shoulder. You are right. But how many times did BB have to double clutch the ball because as he made his way through his progressions the Jets CBs had the Steelers WRs still in the 5 yard jam or bumped Sanders off his hot route slant and got inside position. BB was caught lookinmg for somewhere to go in the face of a blitz and the Steelers Wrs were doing DWTS auditions 10 yards of the LOS. Yep...That is BB's fault. No wait...You are now saying if the OL plays better WRs will flurish. The OL took much criticism the previous 3 years and Holmes, Ward, and even Wallace seem to so alright didn't they? Trying to relate the development of a WR in relation to the OL's play?

Steelers fan? Questioning it because I praise teams play other than the Steelers? Wow...very weak. I acknowledge talent regardless of the team. I only pull for one team. I'm not slobbering over anyone. I'm saying Burress would be a good fit and a good pick-up for the Steelers.

I know how they operate too and they look into anything that makes the team better. BB was supposed to be a media nightmare for the Steelers. How did that go over? That is because it is the Steelers. I have confidence they know where the threshold is how not to exceed it. Burress won't create a problem. If they feel that way...He wouldn't be considered. We have gone round and round on this enough. The media will supply us all the answers we need. You don't want him....I would welcome him. 7 pages later...We can agree on at least that.

hawaiiansteel
06-14-2011, 02:38 AM
Plaxico Burress: 5 Teams That Might Sign the WR

Found 6/13 on Cippin on Sports:

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Plaxico Burress, fresh out of jail after serving a two-year prison sentence is the talk of the NFL this week in the midst of the NFL Lockout. Burress, 33, last played in the NFL in 2008 with the New York Giants. After being out of the league for so long, does Burress have anything left in the tank? That will be up to 32 NFL teams vying for his services. Here are 5 teams that look like the early frontrunners for the services of Burress.

1. Philadelphia Eagles

He was wearing a Phillies hat as he walked out of prison; of course he is going to sign with the Eagles! Probably not. Not with a team that already has DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin, not to mention Jason Avant and Riley Cooper. At best, he would the third option and you don’t want an unhappy Plax on your team. So much for the Con Air connection (Vick to Burress).

2. Washington Redskins

We all know the Redskins love their free agents. And could you imagine the John Beck to Burress connection. The new Theisman to Monk! Also don’t count out the chance to play and piss off his old mates (the Giants) twice.

3. San Diego Chargers

Plax looks like he could be fit with the ‘Bolts. Malcolm Floyd is a free agent and Vincent Jackson might not be there as well. Plax is a similar type of player and could bridge the gap for a year or so. They have shown interest in Steve Smith, so they’re looking for a wide receiver.

4. New York Jets

Because you can’t mention a veteran, big name free agent wide receiver without throwing the Jets in the conversation. But actually, the Jets could be a good fit. The question is does Plax want the Jets? Would he really want to stay and play in the state that just made an example out of him and put him in prison for two years? Unfortunately, he might not have his choice of teams.

5. St. Louis Rams

The connection between Burress and the Rams is that Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo was the Giants defensive coordinator where Burress was on the team. I’m not sold on the connection though. How much, if any, interaction did Buress really have with Spags back in their Giant days? Plax doesn’t seem like the most coachable player so why would he befriend a defensive coach? However, there is a need and Plax would give them the tall, playmaker they lack.

So there you have it. Which team will sign Burress? If I had a gun to my head, at this point I would say the Rams. They can give Plax the most playing time and he gets to play with a young and up and coming quarterback.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/ ... wr/5030686 (http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/plaxico_burress_5_teams_that_might_sign_the_wr/5030686)

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-14-2011, 08:25 AM
Plaxico Burress: 5 Teams That Might Sign the WR

Found 6/13 on Cippin on Sports:

http://img1.yardbarker.com/media/c/f/cf174c7dbada2693bceca00e1308512f32280bb5/related/plaxico84280334.jpg?stamp=1307564399

Plaxico Burress, fresh out of jail after serving a two-year prison sentence is the talk of the NFL this week in the midst of the NFL Lockout. Burress, 33, last played in the NFL in 2008 with the New York Giants. After being out of the league for so long, does Burress have anything left in the tank? That will be up to 32 NFL teams vying for his services. Here are 5 teams that look like the early frontrunners for the services of Burress.

1. Philadelphia Eagles

He was wearing a Phillies hat as he walked out of prison; of course he is going to sign with the Eagles! Probably not. Not with a team that already has DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin, not to mention Jason Avant and Riley Cooper. At best, he would the third option and you don’t want an unhappy Plax on your team. So much for the Con Air connection (Vick to Burress).

2. Washington Redskins

We all know the Redskins love their free agents. And could you imagine the John Beck to Burress connection. The new Theisman to Monk! Also don’t count out the chance to play and piss off his old mates (the Giants) twice.

3. San Diego Chargers

Plax looks like he could be fit with the ‘Bolts. Malcolm Floyd is a free agent and Vincent Jackson might not be there as well. Plax is a similar type of player and could bridge the gap for a year or so. They have shown interest in Steve Smith, so they’re looking for a wide receiver.

4. New York Jets

Because you can’t mention a veteran, big name free agent wide receiver without throwing the Jets in the conversation. But actually, the Jets could be a good fit. The question is does Plax want the Jets? Would he really want to stay and play in the state that just made an example out of him and put him in prison for two years? Unfortunately, he might not have his choice of teams.

5. St. Louis Rams

The connection between Burress and the Rams is that Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo was the Giants defensive coordinator where Burress was on the team. I’m not sold on the connection though. How much, if any, interaction did Buress really have with Spags back in their Giant days? Plax doesn’t seem like the most coachable player so why would he befriend a defensive coach? However, there is a need and Plax would give them the tall, playmaker they lack.

So there you have it. Which team will sign Burress? If I had a gun to my head, at this point I would say the Rams. They can give Plax the most playing time and he gets to play with a young and up and coming quarterback.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/ ... wr/5030686 (http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/plaxico_burress_5_teams_that_might_sign_the_wr/5030686)
If I had to pick off that list, I would say Eagles then Jets. I would be surprised if he took the biggest payday to play for a team 2-3 years away from making a run. I think the Eagles make the most sense. We all know Burress has a competitive "cocky" side and being able to "remind" the Giants of what they are missing twice a year will cross his mind.

RuthlessBurgher
06-14-2011, 09:10 AM
Which team will sign Burress? If I had a gun to my thigh, at this point I would say the Rams.

Fixed that for you. :wink:

feltdizz
06-14-2011, 10:15 AM
I'm 15 minutes from the little Pens but that doesn't make me an expert on hockey.

You mentioned you would take Sanders & Brown over Burress. I was clarifying I'm never said "Instead" anywhere. Sanders & Brown are still part of the equation.

The WR position in not "Stacked". Sanders & Brown have done nothing yet. How does 40+ catches between 2 rookie equate to "stacked"? We haven't even seen Sanders start a stretch of games and have a matchup against a #1 or #2 CB and your are crowning him the next Holmes. Let the kid break 50 before you put him in the HOF.

If you think it all came about from the SB then I guess you are stuck wacthing the Giants because you are from NY. It happened ever game against the Ravens & Jets. It also showed up against the Bengals. Really...You are not watching.

BB was off in the SB. But I also saw WR who couldn't get off the LOS & being bumped off there routes. You want to blame everything on BB...Go ahead. His WR didn't help him.

I see now. You are one who worried about taking playing time away from young players. Isn't it about what is best for the team? It won't hinder anyones development. The team is more concerned about winning the year in front of them.

Ben threw to the wrong shoulder. You are right. But how many times did BB have to double clutch the ball because as he made his way through his progressions the Jets CBs had the Steelers WRs still in the 5 yard jam or bumped Sanders off his hot route slant and got inside position. BB was caught lookinmg for somewhere to go in the face of a blitz and the Steelers Wrs were doing DWTS auditions 10 yards of the LOS. Yep...That is BB's fault. No wait...You are now saying if the OL plays better WRs will flurish. The OL took much criticism the previous 3 years and Holmes, Ward, and even Wallace seem to so alright didn't they? Trying to relate the development of a WR in relation to the OL's play?

Steelers fan? Questioning it because I praise teams play other than the Steelers? Wow...very weak. I acknowledge talent regardless of the team. I only pull for one team. I'm not slobbering over anyone. I'm saying Burress would be a good fit and a good pick-up for the Steelers.

I know how they operate too and they look into anything that makes the team better. BB was supposed to be a media nightmare for the Steelers. How did that go over? That is because it is the Steelers. I have confidence they know where the threshold is how not to exceed it. Burress won't create a problem. If they feel that way...He wouldn't be considered. We have gone round and round on this enough. The media will supply us all the answers we need. You don't want him....I would welcome him. 7 pages later...We can agree on at least that.

I was born and raised in Pittsburgh and moved after HS. I lived in NYC for 2 years...

I'm not blaming everything on BB but he had a bad SB... you can't use the GB game as an example and ignore that fact. If Ben had a good SB and these WR's were struggling I would see your point but Ben didn't play well. Ben double clutches because he can.. it's part of his game.

Ben AND Holmes were a media nightmares and we gave Holmes away for a bag of chips and kept Ben. It's much harder to replace a franchise QB... it's the only reason BB is still here.

I never called anyone the next Holmes... but in time I think Sanders and Brown will be really good WR's. Brown has amazing speed and we witnessed what he can do under pressure. Sanders has sticky hands... I really like both of these kids and their upside is huge. Holmes was great in the playoffs but he was Casper in too many regular season games IMO.

As far as Plax is concerned you are right.. I don't want him, but I also think we don't need him and aren't interested in him. When a guy wants a fresh start going back to an ex-girlfriend in your old neighborhood isn't the best way to start fresh.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-14-2011, 01:54 PM
I'm 15 minutes from the little Pens but that doesn't make me an expert on hockey.

You mentioned you would take Sanders & Brown over Burress. I was clarifying I'm never said "Instead" anywhere. Sanders & Brown are still part of the equation.

The WR position in not "Stacked". Sanders & Brown have done nothing yet. How does 40+ catches between 2 rookie equate to "stacked"? We haven't even seen Sanders start a stretch of games and have a matchup against a #1 or #2 CB and your are crowning him the next Holmes. Let the kid break 50 before you put him in the HOF.

If you think it all came about from the SB then I guess you are stuck wacthing the Giants because you are from NY. It happened ever game against the Ravens & Jets. It also showed up against the Bengals. Really...You are not watching.

BB was off in the SB. But I also saw WR who couldn't get off the LOS & being bumped off there routes. You want to blame everything on BB...Go ahead. His WR didn't help him.

I see now. You are one who worried about taking playing time away from young players. Isn't it about what is best for the team? It won't hinder anyones development. The team is more concerned about winning the year in front of them.

Ben threw to the wrong shoulder. You are right. But how many times did BB have to double clutch the ball because as he made his way through his progressions the Jets CBs had the Steelers WRs still in the 5 yard jam or bumped Sanders off his hot route slant and got inside position. BB was caught lookinmg for somewhere to go in the face of a blitz and the Steelers Wrs were doing DWTS auditions 10 yards of the LOS. Yep...That is BB's fault. No wait...You are now saying if the OL plays better WRs will flurish. The OL took much criticism the previous 3 years and Holmes, Ward, and even Wallace seem to so alright didn't they? Trying to relate the development of a WR in relation to the OL's play?

Steelers fan? Questioning it because I praise teams play other than the Steelers? Wow...very weak. I acknowledge talent regardless of the team. I only pull for one team. I'm not slobbering over anyone. I'm saying Burress would be a good fit and a good pick-up for the Steelers.

I know how they operate too and they look into anything that makes the team better. BB was supposed to be a media nightmare for the Steelers. How did that go over? That is because it is the Steelers. I have confidence they know where the threshold is how not to exceed it. Burress won't create a problem. If they feel that way...He wouldn't be considered. We have gone round and round on this enough. The media will supply us all the answers we need. You don't want him....I would welcome him. 7 pages later...We can agree on at least that.

I was born and raised in Pittsburgh and moved after HS. I lived in NYC for 2 years...

I'm not blaming everything on BB but he had a bad SB... you can't use the GB game as an example and ignore that fact. If Ben had a good SB and these WR's were struggling I would see your point but Ben didn't play well. Ben double clutches because he can.. it's part of his game.

Ben AND Holmes were a media nightmares and we gave Holmes away for a bag of chips and kept Ben. It's much harder to replace a franchise QB... it's the only reason BB is still here.

I never called anyone the next Holmes... but in time I think Sanders and Brown will be really good WR's. Brown has amazing speed and we witnessed what he can do under pressure. Sanders has sticky hands... I really like both of these kids and their upside is huge. Holmes was great in the playoffs but he was Casper in too many regular season games IMO.

As far as Plax is concerned you are right.. I don't want him, but I also think we don't need him and aren't interested in him. When a guy wants a fresh start going back to an ex-girlfriend in your old neighborhood isn't the best way to start fresh.

Sucks you had to move. I'm sure there was a reason because of this economy or family. I agree 100% about Sanders & Brown. I believe the will be good. I think Sanders has a chance to be a #2 if that foot doesn't give him problems. I'm not sure they will be good FAST. I hope I am wrong. What I do believe is this window for 1-2 years could really use a "Burress" type of WR. Is it Sweed??? I've been hoping since he got here. Any combination of 3 wide on the team now just doesn't measure up to what Burress in the mix would add. Burress would be on the field with Wallace too when he spelled Ward.

If he wants a fresh start, he won't consider here. I haven't heard a word from him about the Steelers. I did here him mention the Eagles & Jets and not rule out a return to the Giants. The new start comment I believe was a quote from Brandon Jacobs so we can take it for what its worth.

I'm not using the SB as the only example for my reasoning. It has been something going on with certain matchups even when Holmes was here. More evident last year because the ran into CB strong defense down the stretch. Being that the Ravens picked Jimmy Smith...It might get even worse.

I respect your personal wishes on not bringing a player back that you dislike. I believe he makes perfect football sense given where the Steelers are and his history & familiarity. We all know how BA & BB feels so we will see if their voices are heard. If you are objected to them looking at a Burress type all together...So be it. The offense needs to continue to improve and i'm not sure it will be baby steps or leaps with the current core for 2011. Lets hope it is leaps if the stick to what they have.

feltdizz
06-14-2011, 03:23 PM
I had a love hate relationship with Pittsburgh and I was ready for new adventures after HS.
I love Pittsburgh and I love the people I grew up with but financially it didn't make sense. I've been thinking about it lately though because my Dad is getting up there in age.

Every time I see the Pittsburgh skyline I feel like I should move back.

Oviedo
06-14-2011, 03:27 PM
I had a love hate relationship with Pittsburgh and I was ready for new adventures after HS.
I love Pittsburgh and I love the people I grew up with but financially it didn't make sense. I've been thinking about it lately though because my Dad is getting up there in age.

Every time I see the Pittsburgh skyline I feel like I should move back.

I feel the same way about Pittsburgh but jobs and economics make it impossible to move back.

feltdizz
06-14-2011, 03:45 PM
I had a love hate relationship with Pittsburgh and I was ready for new adventures after HS.
I love Pittsburgh and I love the people I grew up with but financially it didn't make sense. I've been thinking about it lately though because my Dad is getting up there in age.

Every time I see the Pittsburgh skyline I feel like I should move back.

I feel the same way about Pittsburgh but jobs and economics make it impossible to move back.

Cost of living is reasonable but I have no idea what the job market is like in Pittsburgh.

fordfixer
06-14-2011, 09:09 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/nf ... l/25511908 (http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/nfl/25511908;_ylt=AgHu4T0KUpSAcpIkISyaGCdDubYF#nfl/25511908)

6/08 2011 12:47 AM
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Associated Press sports writer Rob Maaddi says wide receiver Plaxico Burress is not in the plans of the Philadelphia Eagles. Burress was released from prison Monday after serving nearly two years for a gun charge. (June 8).

RuthlessBurgher
06-15-2011, 10:07 AM
I had a love hate relationship with Pittsburgh and I was ready for new adventures after HS.
I love Pittsburgh and I love the people I grew up with but financially it didn't make sense. I've been thinking about it lately though because my Dad is getting up there in age.

Every time I see the Pittsburgh skyline I feel like I should move back.

I feel the same way about Pittsburgh but jobs and economics make it impossible to move back.


Pittsburgh tops list of most-livable cities in U.S.
College towns make up much of the Forbes.com annual rankings

By Francesca Levy
Forbes
updated 5/5/2010 6:04:57 PM ET

Each year Carnegie Mellon's Tepper School of Business attracts some of the brightest master's degree candidates in the country. But the admissions staff occasionally has to sway prospective students with their choice of top schools who wonder why they should relocate to Pittsburgh, Pa.

"Pittsburgh has a really great cultural scene. We have a great ballet and a great symphony that travels the world and performs to packed houses, and there's a restaurant scene that's much more diverse than it ever was when I was growing up," says Wendy Hermann, director of student services for master's programs and a Pittsburgh native. "And it's an easier sell, now that the Steelers and Penguins won their respective titles."

Indeed, Pittsburgh's art scene, job prospects, safety and affordability make it the most livable city in the country, according to measures studied. The city has rebounded from its manufacturing past. Disused steel mills have been repurposed into multimedia art centers, and amid a struggling national economy, Google Pittsburgh, a test site for the company's new high-speed broadband network, has expanded its offices to accommodate more hires.

Pittsburgh's strong university presence — the city has over a dozen colleges or campuses — helps bolster its livability. In fact, the key to finding the easiest places to live may be to follow the students. Most of the metros on our list — including Ann Arbor, Mich., Provo, Utah, and Manchester, N.H. — are college towns.

"Universities are large employers in their cities," says Alexander Von Hoffman, senior fellow at the Joint Center for Housing Studies at Harvard University. "In the long term, not only do you have that employment, but you have an educated population, and you have a large youthful population which tends to be a consuming population."

In compiling our list, we measured five data points in the country's 200 largest Metropolitan Statistical Areas: unemployment, crime, income growth, the cost of living, and artistic and cultural opportunities.

To find out where jobs were available and incomes were steadily growing, we ranked cities both by their rate of income growth over the past five years and the current unemployment rate, based on data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The stronger the income growth trend and the lower the unemployment, the higher each city ranked. Jobs don't mean everything, though: A city is more livable if a family's income goes further. Using cost of living data from Moody's Economy.com, we ranked cities higher that had lower costs for everyday goods.

Some places are inexpensive, but still not desirable, so we included a measure for crime, using the Federal Bureau of Investigation's and Sperling's Best Places reports on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents, ranking low-crime cities higher. We also considered a thriving local culture crucial to livability, so we gave higher rankings to cities that scored highly on the Arts & Leisure index created by Sperling's Best Places. We averaged the rankings for each of these metrics to arrive at a final score.

Ogden, Utah, No. 2 on our list, is home to Weber State University. Unemployment in the metro is below average, and incomes have increased by 3.4 percent over the last five years. Provo, Utah, a city 80 miles away and our No. 3 most livable, is home to Brigham Young University, the country's largest private college. The metro has the highest five-year income growth, 5.2 percent, of all the cities measured. Lincoln, Neb., (No. 9), home to the University of Nebraska's main campus, boasts the lowest unemployment rate , 4.9 percent, of all the metros we surveyed. Unemployment is also at a low 5.9 percent in Omaha, Neb. (No. 5) home to a University of Nebraska campus and roughly a dozen other colleges.

Cities once driven by jobs in steel manufacturing, railroads and textile mills suffered as those industries dried up in the 1970s. But it's a mistake to write off places like Pittsburgh, Pa., Harrisburg, Pa., and Manchester, N.H., Nos. one, five and seven on our list, respectively.

Manchester, once dominated by textile mills, is revitalizing itself, converting its maze of mills and foundries into medical centers, museums and apartment buildings that now drive the local economy. The city has the second-lowest crime rate of all the metros we surveyed, incomes have grown 3 percent in five years, and at 7.7 percent, its unemployment rate is below the national average.

In only a few of our most livable cities does population growth match prospects for employment and inexpensive living. Provo saw an 8 percent population boom between 2000 and 2006, and the head count in Omaha rose by 7.2 percent over the same period. In most of the cities on the list, however, the population has shrunk, or grown only by meager percentages, suggesting that word about the quality of life there hasn't yet gotten out. Being a well-kept secret is just fine for some residents.

"I'm a big proponent of Pittsburgh," says Hermann. "But I don't want to spread the message too much."

© 2011 Forbes.com

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36943721/ns/business-forbes_com/t/pittsburgh-tops-list-most-livable-cities-us/

hawaiiansteel
06-16-2011, 07:53 PM
Coughlin on Burress: "It is what it is"

June, 16, 2011
By Ian Begley

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Tom Coughlin said he hasn’t paid any attention to Plaxico Burress’ take on their relationship.

Burress called his relationship with Coughlin “ambivalent” earlier this week.

“I don’t pay any attention to it. It is what it is,” Couglin said on Wednesday at Yankee Stadium. “Maybe he’s sending me a long a badge of honor, how do I know.”

While Coughlin’s comment was vague, Burress left little to the imagination in his description of his relationship with Coughlin.

"My situation in New York, me and my coach had an ambivalent relationship to say the least," Burress said. "Some things that I didn't agree with, with the way he went about things. And the only way to show my way was to just rebel. Is that who I am? No."

"That was one of the biggest problems when I left Pittsburgh when I came here," Burress continued. "I had a relationship with Bill Cowher inside of football and outside of football. He always had an open-door policy to where you could come talk to him or tell him what was on your mind. When that was taken away from me, I kind of felt it was like: I'm the coach, you are the player. It doesn't matter what you have to say. You just do what I tell you to do."

"This is not college," he added. "This is professional sports. If you can't sit down and go talk to a man that you are busting your tail for, not even have the respect for anything that you have to say, like I said, the only thing I knew then was to rebel."

Coughlin reiterated that he hoped Burress could regain a sense of normalcy after his release from prison.

Said Coughlin: “I hope he gets some normalcy in his life and has a chance to spend some time with his family and that he gets to know his kids once again and his wife whose done a tremendous job of holding that family together for the last two years – she deserves some help.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants ... what-it-is (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/5034/couhglin-on-burress-it-is-what-it-is)

feltdizz
06-16-2011, 09:22 PM
Did we trade Plax to the Giants? Plax makes it sound like he was forced to play for Coughlin. Plax went for the money, why do FA's who go for the big payday always play the victim?

RuthlessBurgher
06-17-2011, 09:13 AM
And the only way to show my way was to just rebel.

This.

That's why he won't be coming back to Pittsburgh.

Oviedo
06-17-2011, 10:32 AM
I had a love hate relationship with Pittsburgh and I was ready for new adventures after HS.
I love Pittsburgh and I love the people I grew up with but financially it didn't make sense. I've been thinking about it lately though because my Dad is getting up there in age.

Every time I see the Pittsburgh skyline I feel like I should move back.

I feel the same way about Pittsburgh but jobs and economics make it impossible to move back.

Cost of living is reasonable but I have no idea what the job market is like in Pittsburgh.

City taxes + County Taxes + State Taxes = big difference between there and Florida with no state income tax. We were just up there a few weeks ago and food and gas are also more expensive.

I love Pittsburgh but just doesn't make sense.

hawaiiansteel
06-18-2011, 11:27 PM
Cook: Pryor worth gambling on

Friday, June 17, 2011
By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


A few players came out of the NFL supplemental draft since it began in 1977 and went on to have strong pro careers. Quarterback Bernie Kosar. Wide receiver Cris Carter. Nose tackle Jamal Williams.

Terrelle Pryor will be the next.

The NFL team that takes Pryor is going to get a star.

It won't be the Steelers. They won't reach out to Pryor for the same reason they won't touch Plaxico Burress. They don't need a player who is considered a character risk, not after their problems with Ben Roethlisberger and Santonio Holmes.

That's just as well for Pryor. He needs a fresh start in the NFL, as far away from his hometown of Jeannette as possible and as far away from Columbus, Ohio, as possible, for that matter. He's considered a villain in Columbus for bringing down the storied football program at The Ohio State University. That others were bigger villains -- how about former coach Jim Tressel for one -- hardly matters. You know what they say about perception being reality.

But Pryor is going to make some NFL club very happy.

"Terrelle Pryor will be a great -- not a good quarterback -- a great quarterback in the National Football League," agent Drew Rosenhaus said the other day.

I'm not sure I agree with that assessment. It's just as likely Pryor will be a great safety or a great wide receiver. He's so physically gifted he could play a lot of positions. He could play the "Slash" role better than the Steelers' Kordell Stewart once did, and Stewart was pretty good. I'm also not sure about Rosenhaus' contention that Pryor will be a first-round pick in the supplemental draft, which probably will be scheduled for late July, after the NFL lockout ends. Teams will be able to put in a bid for Pryor with the highest bid getting his rights. The club that does get him loses the corresponding pick in the regular draft next spring. It's hard to imagine any team giving up a No. 1 for him. But a No. 2? Certainly a No. 3. I would do that in a heartbeat.

Pryor's physical skills are off the chart. That's beyond debate. It's the character issue with him that's in question. He broke any number of NCAA rules at Ohio State by accepting improper benefits such as cash and discounted tattoos. ESPN reported last week that a former friend said Pryor made as much as $40,000 annually by signing autographs. The NCAA suspended him for the first five games of the upcoming season -- it would have been his senior season -- and could have come down harder on him if he hadn't said he was leaving school to enter the supplemental draft.

I'm not going to try to defend Pryor's actions. He broke the rules and was punished for it, as he should have been. Losing his senior season is a tough blow for his NFL chances, at least as a quarterback. He really needed that extra year to help his development.

But I have a hard time thinking Pryor is a bad guy. He hardly seems incorrigible.

"This experience that he has gone through will galvanize him and make him a better person, a stronger person," Rosenhaus said.

Now there's something we agree on.

I have a bigger problem with the adults who led Pryor down the path to entitlement. It goes back to his days at Jeannette when they would ask him for his autograph. A high school kid! How pathetic is that? How pathetic are they? It continued when the announcement of his choice of colleges was nationally televised. It went out of control at Ohio State where, if a Sports Illustrated story is true, Tressel not only lied about violations in his program to his bosses and NCAA investigators but also created an environment in which the violations were encouraged. He's a much bigger villain than Pryor, although many Ohio State fans will never admit that. It's much easier to blame a greedy kid than it is to blame the unethical coach who went 9-1 against Michigan.

Pryor, who turns 22 Monday, apologized at a brief news conference this week for his part in the Ohio State scandal.

"One of my goals is to be the best person I can possibly be off the field," he said.

Pryor has much work ahead of him, as a football player and as a person. I won't bet against him. He's well worth the risk for any NFL team.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11168/11 ... z1PgIO6C2u (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11168/1154350-87-0.stm#ixzz1PgIO6C2u)

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-20-2011, 09:29 AM
Cook: Pryor worth gambling on

Friday, June 17, 2011
By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


It won't be the Steelers. They won't reach out to Pryor for the same reason they won't touch Plaxico Burress. They don't need a player who is considered a character risk, not after their problems with Ben Roethlisberger and Santonio Holmes.



I guess you forgot or didn't read the very first post in this topic. Cook was the one who wrote that article. Sounds like he can't make up his mind. So since you like posting articles...Here is some of his quotes. Erase from memory the contradicting article of your interest if that will please you.


By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
It makes perfect sense for the Steelers to bring back Burress.

Check that.

It makes perfect sense for the Steelers to at least look into bringing back Burress.

Agent Drew Rosenhaus has said several clubs have expressed interest in Burress, who turns 34 Aug. 12.

Here's hoping the Steelers are one.

He has had plenty of time -- almost 21 months -- to think about what he had and threw away. If that doesn't mature a guy, nothing will.

The Steelers owe it to themselves to reach out to Burress and Rosenhaus, if they already haven't done so.

But the addition of Burress at the right price would make the group that much stronger.

The Steelers are a veteran team that is built to win the Super Bowl right now.

Burress would make them a better team right now.

feltdizz
06-20-2011, 10:33 AM
Cook isn't contradicting himself. Just because he wants Plax it didn't mean our FO was ever entertaining it.

Cook's first article = fantasy
Cook's second article = reality

just sayin' :wink:

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-20-2011, 12:18 PM
Cook isn't contradicting himself. Just because he wants Plax it didn't mean our FO was ever entertaining it.

Cook's first article = fantasy
Cook's second article = reality

just sayin' :wink:

It is a contradiction. He didn't end the article about Burress being a character risk so the Steelers shouldn't or won't. He was Pro Burress in the whole article and then he says this. I agree with the reality of the 2nd article on Pryor. The only fantasy about Burress is you believing there won't be a phone call made. That isn't fantasy in the first article...Just speculation & facts that aren't to your liking. Oh well. :lol:

feltdizz
06-20-2011, 12:51 PM
Cook isn't contradicting himself. Just because he wants Plax it didn't mean our FO was ever entertaining it.

Cook's first article = fantasy
Cook's second article = reality

just sayin' :wink:

It is a contradiction. He didn't end the article about Burress being a character risk so the Steelers shouldn't or won't. He was Pro Burress in the whole article and then he says this. I agree with the reality of the 2nd article on Pryor. The only fantasy about Burress is you believing there won't be a phone call made. That isn't fantasy in the first article...Just speculation & facts that aren't to your liking. Oh well. :lol:

He is pro Burres but the FO isn't.... There is no contradiction. Cook would take Burress in a heartbeat but he is just a reporter. The fact remains Burress has character issues and after Holmes and Ben we aren't going down that road again.

What facts in the first article say the FO is interested? One of your sources turned on you so I understand your frustration but it is what it is.... we aren't interested.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-20-2011, 01:50 PM
Cook isn't contradicting himself. Just because he wants Plax it didn't mean our FO was ever entertaining it.

Cook's first article = fantasy
Cook's second article = reality

just sayin' :wink:

It is a contradiction. He didn't end the article about Burress being a character risk so the Steelers shouldn't or won't. He was Pro Burress in the whole article and then he says this. I agree with the reality of the 2nd article on Pryor. The only fantasy about Burress is you believing there won't be a phone call made. That isn't fantasy in the first article...Just speculation & facts that aren't to your liking. Oh well. :lol:

He is pro Burres but the FO isn't.... There is no contradiction. Cook would take Burress in a heartbeat but he is just a reporter. The fact remains Burress has character issues and after Holmes and Ben we aren't going down that road again.

What facts in the first article say the FO is interested? One of your sources turned on you so I understand your frustration but it is what it is.... we aren't interested.

He isn't pro Burress in the second article...That's the point. He changed his tune. He wouldn't take him now nor does he think the FO will look at him. Contradiction. Looks like two different reporters. I never said facts pointed to the FO were interested in the first article. The facts are his points about Burress to the Steelers. Everyone of them...Fact. Character issues...BB is still on the team...Thought you might have noticed that. Virtue goes as far as the example. Cook isn't a source. Cook was one that agreed before this article with my reasoning. Call will be made to Burress's agent...That translates to interest. That isn't a stretch or a bold prediction. Until a Tomlin, Colbert, or any of the Rooney's say otherwise...You opinion as well as mine is that. Our opinion. If someone else signs him we will get the same old PR answer we expect to here. "We felt we liked our group of WRs and thought we should go forward with them." You just don't like the fact that people would welcome someone you don't like. Hey, $hit happens. Life is not fair. We all don't get what we want. If he's here..Great! If he's not... We will go with what we have.

feltdizz
06-20-2011, 03:28 PM
[quote=feltdizz]Cook isn't contradicting himself. Just because he wants Plax it didn't mean our FO was ever entertaining it.

Cook's first article = fantasy
Cook's second article = reality

just sayin' :wink:

It is a contradiction. He didn't end the article about Burress being a character risk so the Steelers shouldn't or won't. He was Pro Burress in the whole article and then he says this. I agree with the reality of the 2nd article on Pryor. The only fantasy about Burress is you believing there won't be a phone call made. That isn't fantasy in the first article...Just speculation & facts that aren't to your liking. Oh well. :lol:

He is pro Burres but the FO isn't.... There is no contradiction. Cook would take Burress in a heartbeat but he is just a reporter. The fact remains Burress has character issues and after Holmes and Ben we aren't going down that road again.

What facts in the first article say the FO is interested? One of your sources turned on you so I understand your frustration but it is what it is.... we aren't interested.

He isn't pro Burress in the second article...That's the point. He changed his tune. He wouldn't take him now nor does he think the FO will look at him. Contradiction. Looks like two different reporters. I never said facts pointed to the FO were interested in the first article. The facts are his points about Burress to the Steelers. Everyone of them...Fact. Character issues...BB is still on the team...Thought you might have noticed that. Virtue goes as far as the example. Cook isn't a source. Cook was one that agreed before this article with my reasoning. Call will be made to Burress's agent...That translates to interest. That isn't a stretch or a bold prediction. Until a Tomlin, Colbert, or any of the Rooney's say otherwise...You opinion as well as mine is that. Our opinion. If someone else signs him we will get the same old PR answer we expect to here. "We felt we liked our group of WRs and thought we should go forward with them." You just don't like the fact that people would welcome someone you don't like. Hey, $hit happens. Life is not fair. We all don't get what we want. If he's here..Great! If he's not... We will go with what we have.[/quote:1e2ltdyn]

Well the first article said we should "at least" take a look at Burress and pointed to his on field potential in our O. The second article says "they won't touch Burress because of character issues" To me it sounds as though he wants Burress but knows damn well our FO isn't interested in the drama that would follow him. Cook didn't say he didn't want him in the second article he said our FO wouldn't want him.

BB is still on the team because he is a franchise QB and those come around once every 20 or 30 years. WR's are a dime a dozen... especially talented ones with character issues.

I could care less how many people like Plax or would welcome him back. Plenty of fans/players like Plax but they don't sign the players the FO does and unless our FO has gone twilight zone I doubt it would happen.

grotonsteel
06-21-2011, 02:10 AM
Bring on Plexico at right price though. Cut ARE and A Battle.

Give Ben his tall WR.

P.S: I am still hoping that Sweed becomes that tall WR

Oviedo
06-21-2011, 08:30 AM
Bring on Plexico at right price though. Cut ARE and A Battle.

Give Ben his tall WR.

P.S: I am still hoping that Sweed becomes that tall WR

I'd focus on getting Sweed up to speed not rehabilitating Burress.

feltdizz
06-21-2011, 09:22 AM
Bring on Plexico at right price though. Cut ARE and A Battle.

Give Ben his tall WR.

P.S: I am still hoping that Sweed becomes that tall WR

Won't happen... and that goes for both statements.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-21-2011, 09:34 AM
Well the first article said we should "at least" take a look at Burress and pointed to his on field potential in our O. The second article says "they won't touch Burress because of character issues" To me it sounds as though he wants Burress but knows damn well our FO isn't interested in the drama that would follow him. Cook didn't say he didn't want him in the second article he said our FO wouldn't want him.

BB is still on the team because he is a franchise QB and those come around once every 20 or 30 years. WR's are a dime a dozen... especially talented ones with character issues.

I could care less how many people like Plax or would welcome him back. Plenty of fans/players like Plax but they don't sign the players the FO does and unless our FO has gone twilight zone I doubt it would happen.

First article to me is an endorsement. Even said the FO didn't want to get rid of him but had to make a choice. Gave points to support his argument. Had every opportunity to conclude he didn't think the FO would go after him. Nothing changed in the labor front or Steelers "practices" between two articles. He wrote that with no consideration to his first article. The second article is a contridiction to the first in my opinion. No need to argue it. We both are f'in bull headed so it's not going anywhere.

I wasn't comparing the position of WR & QB. It's obvious why they made the decision they did. Your explanation wasn't needed. The statement was related to "character" that you are so concerned with and the fact that the Steelers organization set another principle of "different rules for different players" for a player held higher based upon what you said and the fact that the distraction is still there because BB is on the team. He still has impending legal issues & it won't be going away any time soon. He will be under the microscope for some time but because this is the Steelers...Business as usual. Strong organizations with a veteran core can deal with adversity. The Steelers have shown this last year and the Pats & Eagles have walked the same path. Although we like to put them on that pedestal and many won't admit it...The Steelers have some examples where they show "the business side" of football takes front stage over their long standing squeaky clean image. Sometimes the words "smart but not stupid" belong in the same sentence. This may be a dlfferent set of circumstances because Burress isn't a current player in the organization. To argue you repeated "white gloves" referral of the Steelers, it was necessary to bring up the point that since 2008 the Steelers have made decisions based upon winning...Not what they have done in the past.

I too could care less. I could care less about how many people dislike Burress. He isn't a favorite of mine but I don't dislike him. What I do like is who he is and what he would do for the Steelers. Combine that with where the Steelers are at with this current core...He makes perfect sense. WIll it happen? I don't think it will have as much to do with the "distraction/character" as it will to how much he will cost. I don't think the distraction/character will be a concern because of his history here and they will pick up the phone. Where it goes from there has everything to do with $$$$$$. Since we went down this road with our opinions before...We can leave it at that. We agree we have different opinions. Nice to agree on something. :wink:

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-21-2011, 09:41 AM
Bring on Plexico at right price though. Cut ARE and A Battle.

Give Ben his tall WR.

P.S: I am still hoping that Sweed becomes that tall WR

I'd focus on getting Sweed up to speed not rehabilitating Burress.

I think what Sweed has shown here is the reason you got get a Burress. I'm hoping too but I don't think the Steelers have the patience to "Hope" for over 3 years while the vet players clock is ticking. I hope & pray Sweed has a break out year if they don't bring a big target in because that dimension is lacking. However, I'm beyond holding out hope & I believe the Steelers are too. Sweed succeeding is no longer expected...It will be a pleasant surprise for the team.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-21-2011, 09:45 AM
Bring on Plexico at right price though. Cut ARE and A Battle.

Give Ben his tall WR.

P.S: I am still hoping that Sweed becomes that tall WR

Won't happen... and that goes for both statements.

I'll go with could happen on Burress....

And "Don't hold your breath" on Sweed.

proudpittsburgher
06-21-2011, 09:52 AM
Bring on Plexico at right price though. Cut ARE and A Battle.

Give Ben his tall WR.

P.S: I am still hoping that Sweed becomes that tall WR

Won't happen... and that goes for both statements.

I'll go with could happen on Burress....

And "Don't hold your breath" on Sweed.

:Agree

I believe those who were "holding their breath on Sweed" are no longer with us. Lack of oxygen to the brain catches up with everyone. :)

Oviedo
06-21-2011, 10:11 AM
Bring on Plexico at right price though. Cut ARE and A Battle.

Give Ben his tall WR.

P.S: I am still hoping that Sweed becomes that tall WR

Won't happen... and that goes for both statements.

I'll go with could happen on Burress....

And "Don't hold your breath" on Sweed.

:Agree

I believe those who were "holding their breath on Sweed" are no longer with us. Lack of oxygen to the brain catches up with everyone. :)

I stillbelieve Sweed can make it, but I tend to be an optimist about the Steelers versus looking for faults.

I'd rather have Sweed in camp and give him a chance versus Burress.

RuthlessBurgher
06-21-2011, 10:18 AM
I tend to be an optimist about the Steelers versus looking for faults.

Bradshaw's Hairdresser bringing up Oviedo's opinion of Ike Redman and other UDFA's in 3...2...1... :D

feltdizz
06-21-2011, 10:54 AM
JPN the Steelers definitely have a different set of rules for our players based on need. Harrison beat his baby mother and we went with the baptism angle which was suspect but we needed Harrison so he stayed...

We didn't need the slow WR from San Fran so as soon as his baby momma drama happened we were done.

Holmes had a list of problems we ignored until it was clear he would miss 4 games and we couldn't afford him so he was sent packing as well.

Not sure if we have ever picked up a character issue guy in FA let alone a former player.

I've written Sweed off... this way if he does something I will be ecstatic. I think people want him to stick because he was a 2nd round pick, if he was Redman we would have trashed his yard.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-21-2011, 01:16 PM
JPN the Steelers definitely have a different set of rules for our players based on need. Harrison beat his baby mother and we went with the baptism angle which was suspect but we needed Harrison so he stayed...

We didn't need the slow WR from San Fran so as soon as his baby momma drama happened we were done.

Holmes had a list of problems we ignored until it was clear he would miss 4 games and we couldn't afford him so he was sent packing as well.

Not sure if we have ever picked up a character issue guy in FA let alone a former player.

I've written Sweed off... this way if he does something I will be ecstatic. I think people want him to stick because he was a 2nd round pick, if he was Redman we would have trashed his yard.

I can't recall a "character" guy recently if at all via FA as well. Foot & EL were huge surprises to me as former players. Guys like Brown, Williams, Roye etc are guys at the end of their road who were not the same as Foote & El signings in my opinion. I too am not counting on Sweed's production. If it happens, I will count it as a complete surprise come 2011.

feltdizz
06-21-2011, 01:38 PM
JPN the Steelers definitely have a different set of rules for our players based on need. Harrison beat his baby mother and we went with the baptism angle which was suspect but we needed Harrison so he stayed...

We didn't need the slow WR from San Fran so as soon as his baby momma drama happened we were done.

Holmes had a list of problems we ignored until it was clear he would miss 4 games and we couldn't afford him so he was sent packing as well.

Not sure if we have ever picked up a character issue guy in FA let alone a former player.

I've written Sweed off... this way if he does something I will be ecstatic. I think people want him to stick because he was a 2nd round pick, if he was Redman we would have trashed his yard.

I can't recall a "character" guy recently if at all via FA as well. Foot & EL were huge surprises to me as former players. Guys like Brown, Williams, Roye etc are guys at the end of their road who were not the same as Foote & El signings in my opinion. I too am not counting on Sweed's production. If it happens, I will count it as a complete surprise come 2011.

I was surprised when we resigned El and Foote but these guys are the type of players we sign in FA... we tend to sign football players who keep their mouth shut and respect the Steeler way.

hawaiiansteel
06-21-2011, 06:01 PM
Tue Jun 21 01:58am EDT

Report: Steelers want Burress back

By MJD

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/1e/1e76971cdd8f3ecd0c47653ef91fd266/report_steelers_want_burress_back.jpg

Once upon a time, Steelers teammates Hines Ward and Plaxico Burress were among the top receiving tandems in the NFL. Then Burress left Pittsburgh, and several years later, Mike Wallace emerged to partner up with Ward to once again give Pittsburgh a feared receiving tandem.

How would you like to have all three of them, Steelers fans?

According to Gerry Dulac, who covers the Steelers for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Steelers would like to put the unholy Ward/Burress/Wallace threesome together. Here's the tweet:

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/51/51a3febf294013a924c87abf1bb21a1f/report_steelers_want_burress_back.jpg

That's a nice little poke to the ego of Antwaan Randle-El: Sight unseen, the Steelers are willing to cast him aside for a guy who spent the last 21 months telling Goldmouth he can't have his cornbread.

Obviously, Burress won't jump right back onto the field and reproduce his 1,300-yard season of 2002. But if he's got any game left at all, he does give the Steelers receiving corps the one thing they don't have. Wallace has the deep speed, Ward works the possession routes, and Burress can go up and get the jump balls.

It would be fun to see, unless you play defense in the AFC North.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdo ... nfl-wp2777 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Report-Steelers-want-Burress-back;_ylt=AgGbRUWfP01V3FmpajcmxSxDubYF?urn=nfl-wp2777)

feltdizz
06-21-2011, 07:39 PM
I don't know how to put a sig in but I'll make one eatin crow if we are truly interested in Plaxico.

Sure seems like reporters like to use the Steelers for a lot of their rumors. I think it's a little reckless to put ARE on the chopping block like that. Could be true but I wonder if Dulac wants to get on the rumor train since he has seen a few other reporters get hits.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-23-2011, 09:54 AM
I don't know how to put a sig in but I'll make one eatin crow if we are truly interested in Plaxico.

Sure seems like reporters like to use the Steelers for a lot of their rumors. I think it's a little reckless to put ARE on the chopping block like that. Could be true but I wonder if Dulac wants to get on the rumor train since he has seen a few other reporters get hits.

Why would you need to do the "eating crow" thing? "Due Diligence" is a far cry from signing a player. It's just the business side of football. Different to us because we have strictly emotional links to the team. The Steelers are smart & you know that. Gathering the information is the first step in evaluating what would be best for the team. Man...You shouldn't be so hard on yourself if something like Drew Rosenhaus got a call from the Steelers is reported. So what...Just "kicking the tires." If you were a business owner or a President or a corporation...You investigate investment opportunities and new avenues of revenue all the time. It's just good business to know what is out there and see if you could make your business more profitable. Doesn't hurt to look & doesn't mean $hit if they pass.

feltdizz
06-23-2011, 01:01 PM
I don't know how to put a sig in but I'll make one eatin crow if we are truly interested in Plaxico.

Sure seems like reporters like to use the Steelers for a lot of their rumors. I think it's a little reckless to put ARE on the chopping block like that. Could be true but I wonder if Dulac wants to get on the rumor train since he has seen a few other reporters get hits.

Why would you need to do the "eating crow" thing? "Due Diligence" is a far cry from signing a player. It's just the business side of football. Different to us because we have strictly emotional links to the team. The Steelers are smart & you know that. Gathering the information is the first step in evaluating what would be best for the team. Man...You shouldn't be so hard on yourself if something like Drew Rosenhaus got a call from the Steelers is reported. So what...Just "kicking the tires." If you were a business owner or a President or a corporation...You investigate investment opportunities and new avenues of revenue all the time. It's just good business to know what is out there and see if you could make your business more profitable. Doesn't hurt to look & doesn't mean $hit if they pass.


I would do the eating crow thing because it would be funny... I don't take this stuff seriously but if I swear up and down we won't do something and we end up doing it I have no problem admitting it.

hawaiiansteel
06-23-2011, 01:58 PM
I don't know how to put a sig in but I'll make one eatin crow if we are truly interested in Plaxico.

Sure seems like reporters like to use the Steelers for a lot of their rumors. I think it's a little reckless to put ARE on the chopping block like that. Could be true but I wonder if Dulac wants to get on the rumor train since he has seen a few other reporters get hits.

Why would you need to do the "eating crow" thing? "Due Diligence" is a far cry from signing a player. It's just the business side of football. Different to us because we have strictly emotional links to the team. The Steelers are smart & you know that. Gathering the information is the first step in evaluating what would be best for the team. Man...You shouldn't be so hard on yourself if something like Drew Rosenhaus got a call from the Steelers is reported. So what...Just "kicking the tires." If you were a business owner or a President or a corporation...You investigate investment opportunities and new avenues of revenue all the time. It's just good business to know what is out there and see if you could make your business more profitable. Doesn't hurt to look & doesn't mean $hit if they pass.


I would do the eating crow thing because it would be funny... I don't take this stuff seriously but if I swear up and down we won't do something and we end up doing it I have no problem admitting it.


I don't believe the Steelers will end up signing Plax but I do believe the Steelers have done their due diligence on him and at least found out what his contract demands are.

this means both you and JPN are right...no need to eat crow unless Burress actually signs with the Steelers which is not likely to happen.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-23-2011, 02:49 PM
I don't know how to put a sig in but I'll make one eatin crow if we are truly interested in Plaxico.

Sure seems like reporters like to use the Steelers for a lot of their rumors. I think it's a little reckless to put ARE on the chopping block like that. Could be true but I wonder if Dulac wants to get on the rumor train since he has seen a few other reporters get hits.

Why would you need to do the "eating crow" thing? "Due Diligence" is a far cry from signing a player. It's just the business side of football. Different to us because we have strictly emotional links to the team. The Steelers are smart & you know that. Gathering the information is the first step in evaluating what would be best for the team. Man...You shouldn't be so hard on yourself if something like Drew Rosenhaus got a call from the Steelers is reported. So what...Just "kicking the tires." If you were a business owner or a President or a corporation...You investigate investment opportunities and new avenues of revenue all the time. It's just good business to know what is out there and see if you could make your business more profitable. Doesn't hurt to look & doesn't mean $hit if they pass.



I would do the eating crow thing because it would be funny... I don't take this stuff seriously but if I swear up and down we won't do something and we end up doing it I have no problem admitting it.


I don't believe the Steelers will end up signing Plax but I do believe the Steelers have done their due diligence on him and at least found out what his contract demands are.

this means both you and JPN are right...no need to eat crow unless Burress actually signs with the Steelers which is not likely to happen.

I agree on all points. I think there will be interested teams that will set the bar and the Steelers will not entertain Drew & his negotiating tactics he will employ with other teams interest & offers. Burress would have to really want to be here and play here at Pittsburgh's price. That right there is and will be the most unlikely scenario through the process.

As far as "eating crow" if he is signed...Then I will have to join Felt. Because I don't believe Burress will play at the Steelers price...And I don't believe the Steelers will pay him "Rosenhaus" money given his situation. I'm for it...But I'm not one who thinks it has a good chance of happening.

feltdizz
06-23-2011, 02:57 PM
I didn't/don't think we would entertain the thought of Burress regardless of the price due to our WR group and Burress' past.

Snatch98
06-23-2011, 04:09 PM
Burress is not going to command a bunch of money. He'll be at the "Pittsburgh price" for most teams so I'm of the belief that if there are reports we are interested we're probably interested. I personally don't see why not. We have a history with him, Ben has a history with him and despite his off the field issues he wasn't a substantial headache in the black and gold. I still have hope for Sweed which is why I don't necessarily see it happening but if he's going to play for the right amount of money why not? Worst case he comes to camp and doesn't live up to the "hype" and he's team fodder.

BradshawsHairdresser
06-24-2011, 09:48 AM
I'm not all that convinced about Dulac's report. Some of these guys seem to be putting out about anything on Twitter and such.

I don't know what the Steelers will decide to do, but at this point, I wouldn't be in favor of going after Gunslinger. An older guy with a questionable past, who will take away reps from one of the promising younger guys? Let the Eagles have him.

hawaiiansteel
06-28-2011, 02:51 PM
Harris: Don't count on Steelers, Burress reunion

By John Harris, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, June 28, 2011

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Former Steelers wide receiver Plaxico Burress must find a job to satisfy terms of his parole. Burress served 21 months in prison for illegally carrying and firing a gun (accidentally) in a Manhattan nightclub. He was released three months early for good behavior.

An NFL free agent, Burress has 32 potential employers.

A Burress-Steelers reunion sounds intriguing in theory but lousy in principle.

Burress, who was selected eighth overall in the 2000 draft, was a productive player with the Steelers. He established a franchise record with 253 receiving yards in a game in 2002.

Even though he left the Steelers, Burress still has friends on the team. Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, who loved the idea of throwing to a big target and wanted management to re-sign Burress as a free agent following the 2005 season, seemed to welcome Burress' possible return at his football camp last week.

When healthy, Burress ranked among the top receivers in the NFL. However, Burress hasn't played since 2008. A lot has changed since then.

Will Burress demand too much money? Can he afford to be too demanding? And is signing Burress a priority for a team that has more important needs to address once free agency begins?

I think the Steelers still like Burress' ability to play football and would entertain bringing him back if they can sign him within their budget. And if the Steelers and Burress had departed on better terms, that could be a possibility.

I just don't think the Steelers are a good fit for Burress, who turns 34 in August. Remember, the Steelers -- for whatever reason -- passed on re-signing him.

Burress signed a six-year, $25 million contract with the New York Giants that included a $5 million signing bonus.

Essentially, the Steelers chose to keep Hines Ward, 35, and let Burress go.

The snub opened some wounds for Burress.

When he signed with the Giants, Burress said a few things -- perhaps made in the heat of the moment -- that put his departure in perspective while foretelling why he probably wouldn't contemplate a Steelers reunion six years later.

"In Pittsburgh, I came out of the huddle and I was basically in one spot,'' Burress said. "It was easy for teams to double cover me, because in the type of offense I was in, I wasn't able to move around a lot. I didn't have a lot of freedom.''

If he didn't have freedom when he was in his prime, what makes him believe things would be any different with the Steelers, who operate the same offense?

Burress also believes he was misunderstood in Pittsburgh, which may sound strange from someone who just finished serving prison time. But at the time he said it, he was speaking his true feelings about his emotional departure from the team that drafted him.

"As far as some of the things that were said about me, it was kind of shocking,'' Burress said. "I never rubbed anybody the wrong way. People don't really know me, and I don't give people a chance to know me, because I don't talk a lot.''

I'd love to hear the Steelers attempt to justify bringing back Burress after trading Santonio Holmes for non-football reasons.

Can you say, "hypocritical?''

Still, if the market is limited for Burress when the lockout is lifted, he will have to consider the Steelers. Whether they will consider him is an unknown. He missed two full seasons and isn't getting younger.

If he didn't have a prison sentence on his resume, Burress could be more selective in negotiating with a new employer that will agree to feature him in the passing game. At his age, he may have to settle for a more subservient role.

Would Burress accept a return to the Steelers? That all depends on his marketability around the NFL.

Would the Steelers have him back? That all depends if the price is right and the coaching staff doesn't mind taking playing time away from young receivers Emmanuel Sanders and Antonio Brown and lining up two of the oldest receivers in the league.

I'm curious to not only see if Burress still has something left after spending nearly two years in prison, but also if the Steelers still want him if he's open to a reunion.

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feltdizz
06-28-2011, 02:56 PM
If Burress left on good terms we would try to resign him back in a heartbeat! We chose Ward over Plax and it worked out well so the chances are slim at best.

hawaiiansteel
07-20-2011, 05:44 PM
I think the best fit for Plaxico Burress will be a "run and shoot" team...


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