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steelerkeylargo
04-28-2011, 11:42 PM
honestly!! I like Heyward but Sherrod will be a pro-bowler.

hawaiiansteel
04-28-2011, 11:47 PM
the Steelers wasted no time getting their pick in, we must have really liked Heyward.

RuthlessBurgher
04-28-2011, 11:48 PM
That was my pick as well. Sherrod reminds me of Marvel Smith.

Last year, I was surprised Bryan Bulaga fell to us...we passed...Pack got him

This year, I was surprised Derek Sherrod fell to us...we passed...Pack got him.

The Pack might as well take the Lombardi trophy from us as well...Oh wait. :evil:

hawaiiansteel
04-28-2011, 11:51 PM
Last year, I was surprised Bryan Bulaga fell to us...we passed...Pack got him



I think we did pretty well with the guy we picked instead of Bulaga...

RuthlessBurgher
04-28-2011, 11:53 PM
Last year, I was surprised Bryan Bulaga fell to us...we passed...Pack got him



I think we did pretty well with the guy we picked instead of Bulaga...

Oh yeah...I'll readily admit that the front office is WAY smarter than me when it comes to these football matters.

How am I supposed to resent the Packers from beating us in the Super Bowl if they keep picking players I like, though?

fordfixer
04-29-2011, 12:02 AM
Last year, I was surprised Bryan Bulaga fell to us...we passed...Pack got him



I think we did pretty well with the guy we picked instead of Bulaga...

Oh yeah...I'll readily admit that the front office is WAY smarter than me when it comes to these football matters.

How am I supposed to resent the Packers from beating us in the Super Bowl if they keep picking players I like, though?


I'll admit that the front office is way smarter than you also :lol: :lol:

insanesteelersfan
04-29-2011, 12:06 AM
I can understand you guys saying that. And I do agree we needed a Tackle. But Sherrod was not very physical. He is a finess Tackle who was not the player Carimi is. Heyward is not bad. He can fill a need. And I suspect the steelers are gonna address a Tackle later on, as well as a good solid guard. But I understand your guys feelings on Sherrod.

grotonsteel
04-29-2011, 12:16 AM
I agree SKL. I wanted Steelers to draft a lineman who can pass protect like Pouncey.

Steelers keep ignoring O-linemen and we wonder why offense is not consistent.

steelerkeylargo
04-29-2011, 02:33 AM
I had Sherrod as my 2nd best OT prospect. Lots of pundits like to call him a finesse pass blocker. The fact is very few team run the ball more than Mississippi State did last season. That boy can play. I don't think drafting Heyward is a miss. I just think Sherrod would have been more beneficial. I can say that I will talk to Kevin Colbert at some point this summer and get his view.

StarSpangledSteeler
04-29-2011, 04:53 AM
I had Sherrod as my 2nd best OT prospect. Lots of pundits like to call him a finesse pass blocker. The fact is very few team run the ball more than Mississippi State did last season. That boy can play. I don't think drafting Heyward is a miss. I just think Sherrod would have been more beneficial. I can say that I will talk to Kevin Colbert at some point this summer and get his view.

Key Largo -

I am EXTREMELY curious to know why Colbert did not select Sherrod. Is there something we don't know? Many people had Sherrod as the second best left tackle in the draft, and then others had him as a mid 2nd rounder. Why is that? When we passed on Bulaga I said, "They probably thought he was a right tackle only". When we passed on Sherrod I said, "Whaaaaaaat?"

Mister Pittsburgh
04-29-2011, 06:34 AM
Offense sells tickets. Defense wins championships. 3-4 DL are the foundation. Hood and Hayward are going to be a great part of that foundation for years to come.

SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
04-29-2011, 06:59 AM
Forget Sherrod...Heyward is the real deal. I still don't understand why some of you guys want O-L in the first round...unless the guy is a lock like Pouncey there is no way we should of taken him...that is why 30 other teams past on him also. Defense still does win championships!

steelblood
04-29-2011, 07:32 AM
Forget Sherrod...Heyward is the real deal. I still don't understand why some of you guys want O-L in the first round...unless the guy is a lock like Pouncey there is no way we should of taken him...that is why 30 other teams past on him also. Defense still does win championships!

I wanted the player with the best potential. I thought it was Sherrod. But, I like Heyward. He could end up being a great pro.

Oviedo
04-29-2011, 07:41 AM
I can understand you guys saying that. And I do agree we needed a Tackle. But Sherrod was not very physical. He is a finess Tackle who was not the player Carimi is. Heyward is not bad. He can fill a need. And I suspect the steelers are gonna address a Tackle later on, as well as a good solid guard. But I understand your guys feelings on Sherrod.

Get Jah Reid in Round 4 for our OT. He is a RT but reality is you aren't getting a great LT after the first 10 picks.

Notleadpoisoned
04-29-2011, 08:15 AM
Since I can't find it anywhere does anyone know how many games Brett Keisel and Aaron Smith missed last season because of injury? I seem to recall that combined it was pretty substantial.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-29-2011, 08:53 AM
I like Sherrod but the Steelers made the right choice. They stayed true to their board. I didn't think there was a chance in hell he would make it by the Ravens or even the Jets. Ravens surprised me by taking Smith and I thought the Jets would have jumped on Ayers. I thought Wilkerson was going to be the pick as things started to unfold around 26. Heyward was clearly the highest rated guy on the board and from what I heard, Ayers was rated up there too. Just goes to show you that the Steelers philosophy of staying true to their board in the 1st is what has made the 1st round picks success rate the best in the league.

For those who questions Heyward, just watch him in the Sugar Bowl this year where he hurt his elbow in the 1st and played the whole game. He was a force and I can't remember how many times during that game I heard his name and they singled him out. They couldn't block him and he looked like the Top 20 pick some projected after 2009. I watched that game closely since I'm a PSU (Big Ten) fan & being from PA I like to watch Pryor since he chose OSU over PSU & Pitt. I saw him play many times over the years. I remember saying to myself after that game If we didn't take Hood the year before, it would be nice to see Heyward as a Steeler. I just thought "A" he would be long gone by the Steelers pick, & "B" there was no way the Steelers would take two 1st on a DE in 3 years. WRONG ON BOTH!

I'm sure there is something on youtube from the 2011 Sugar Bowl. I will post the link if I find it. If you want to see what we got. That game is a good indication of his production & toughness. He played like a Steeler in his last college game for OSU.


Here is a link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eJHAOFNzKo

steelblood
04-29-2011, 09:03 AM
I like Sherrod but the Steelers made the right choice. They stayed true to their board. I didn't think there was a chance in hell he would make it by the Ravens or even the Jets. Ravens surprised me by taking Smith and I thought the Jets would have jumped on Ayers. I thought Wilkerson was going to be the pick as things started to unfold around 26. Heyward was clearly the highest rated guy on the board and from what I heard, Ayers was rated up there too. Just goes to show you that the Steelers philosophy of staying true to their board in the 1st is what has made the 1st round picks success rate the best in the league.

For those who questions Heyward, just watch him in the Sugar Bowl this year where he hurt his elbow in the 1st and played the whole game. He was a force and I can't remember how many times during that game I heard his name and they singled him out. They couldn't block him and he looked like the Top 20 pick some projected after 2009. I watched that game closely since I'm a PSU (Big Ten) fan & being from PA I like to watch Pryor since he chose OSU over PSU & Pitt. I saw him play many times over the years. I remember saying to myself after that game If we didn't take Hood the year before, it would be nice to see Heyward as a Steeler. I just thought "A" he would be long gone by the Steelers pick, & "B" there was no way the Steelers would take two 1st on a DE in 3 years. WRONG ON BOTH!

I'm sure there is something on youtube from the 2011 Sugar Bowl. I will post the link if I find it. If you want to see what we got. That game is a good indication of his production & toughness. He played like a Steeler in his last college game for OSU.


Here is a link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eJHAOFNzKo

Yeah, I really enjoyed that game. When I watched it, I remember thinking that Heyward really looked special. He exposed DeMarcus Love, he blew up ball carriers and terrorized the QB. He played huge in that game.

steelcurtain44
04-29-2011, 09:05 AM
In my opinion, the Steelers got one the best defensive players in the draft. Heywood is a beast. He doesn't take plays off, and is extremely physical. The Steelers real problem is not tackle, but guard, on both sides. Heywood is the real deal.

MeetJoeGreene
04-29-2011, 09:11 AM
I hope he is a stud. A real stud.

And I will root for him.

But I am not crazy about the pick right now.

I think that from a BPA AT A POSITION OF NEED, there were good CB and OL available (like Sherrod) that would have been smarter picks.

I fear we won't get a top tier DB now.. and push off the OL pick to another 4th round project or hope (Tony Hill)... we have ignored our OL (except for Pouncy) and missed wildly on our CB picks (Lewis, Burnett).

Chadman
04-29-2011, 09:13 AM
Given that our divisional rivals contain guys like Cody, Ngata & now Phil Taylor, might it be prudent to draft a large, physical OG to put next to the smaller, more agile Pouncey?

Someone like...say...Orlando Franklin?

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
04-29-2011, 09:59 AM
Since I can't find it anywhere does anyone know how many games Brett Keisel and Aaron Smith missed last season because of injury? I seem to recall that combined it was pretty substantial.

Smith missed 10 games
Keisel missed 5 games

Chadman
04-29-2011, 10:02 AM
And how many games did Smith miss the year before?

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-29-2011, 10:50 AM
Given that our divisional rivals contain guys like Cody, Ngata & now Phil Taylor, might it be prudent to draft a large, physical OG to put next to the smaller, more agile Pouncey?

Someone like...say...Orlando Franklin?

Although some question his work ethic, I wouldn't have a problem with the pick. He does seem better getting to the 2nd level and pulling/trapping than what we have now in Foster. Not the "pure G" I would like but on tape, he looks like a 2nd round pick.

steelerkeylargo
04-29-2011, 10:58 AM
Since I can't find it anywhere does anyone know how many games Brett Keisel and Aaron Smith missed last season because of injury? I seem to recall that combined it was pretty substantial.

Smith missed 10 games
Keisel missed 5 games


How many games did our starting right tackles Colon and Starks miss???? I don't think you wan't to play this game?

pfelix73
04-29-2011, 11:19 AM
And Starks is back at LT, and we got Scott who can play RT IF they don't sign Colon. and they will probably sign Colon, so taking another OT would've been a bad move at 31.

They got the right guy. They got who they wanted....

:tt1

grotonsteel
04-29-2011, 01:22 PM
And Starks is back at LT, and we got Scott who can play RT IF they don't sign Colon. and they will probably sign Colon, so taking another OT would've been a bad move at 31.

They got the right guy. They got who they wanted....

:tt1

Scott is a career backup. Colon is not going to comeback unless he plays RG which i doubt he will play. Flozell Adams is on his last leg. Max Starks is a free agent after 2012. He will be looking for a big paycheck since it will be his last one.

I hope people don't complain why offense is inconsistent when we keep on neglecting Offensive line even when talent is available.

Green Bay Packers selected back to back first Rd OT to protect Aaron Rodgers. Great move i must say.

pfelix73
04-29-2011, 02:27 PM
Scott is no longer a career backup. He played very well down the stretch of the season when Starks was hurt. He'll fill in nicely at RT as our starter if Colon doesn't come back.

There are too many bodies competing for only 8-9 spots. I would pick a OT in the draft just for competition is concerned, but no way in the top 3 or 4 picks. Hills will need something to do in camp.

We need depth at CB now and we're gonna need a TE to replace ? I mean Spaeth. You can prob. add a WR to that list as well.


Offense is inconsistent? I never said that it was.....Not sure why ppl would say that either.
:tt1

WoodleyofTroy
04-29-2011, 02:36 PM
And Starks is back at LT, and we got Scott who can play RT IF they don't sign Colon. and they will probably sign Colon, so taking another OT would've been a bad move at 31.

They got the right guy. They got who they wanted....

:tt1

Scott is a career backup. Colon is not going to comeback unless he plays RG which i doubt he will play. Flozell Adams is on his last leg. Max Starks is a free agent after 2012. He will be looking for a big paycheck since it will be his last one.

I hope people don't complain why offense is inconsistent when we keep on neglecting Offensive line even when talent is available.

Green Bay Packers selected back to back first Rd OT to protect Aaron Rodgers. Great move i must say.

Your mock doesn't have an OL until the 4th round.

grotonsteel
04-29-2011, 02:40 PM
And Starks is back at LT, and we got Scott who can play RT IF they don't sign Colon. and they will probably sign Colon, so taking another OT would've been a bad move at 31.

They got the right guy. They got who they wanted....

:tt1

Scott is a career backup. Colon is not going to comeback unless he plays RG which i doubt he will play. Flozell Adams is on his last leg. Max Starks is a free agent after 2012. He will be looking for a big paycheck since it will be his last one.

I hope people don't complain why offense is inconsistent when we keep on neglecting Offensive line even when talent is available.

Green Bay Packers selected back to back first Rd OT to protect Aaron Rodgers. Great move i must say.

Your mock doesn't have an OL until the 4th round.


My Mock in PlanetSteelers Mock Thread has Derrek Sherrod an No.1 pick. :wink: I never updated my mock draft in my signature.

I did not expect Sherrod to last this long and if he was available it was a no brainer who would be my pick.

grotonsteel
04-29-2011, 02:47 PM
Scott is no longer a career backup. He played very well down the stretch of the season when Starks was hurt. He'll fill in nicely at RT as our starter if Colon doesn't come back.

There are too many bodies competing for only 8-9 spots. I would pick a OT in the draft just for competition is concerned, but no way in the top 3 or 4 picks. Hills will need something to do in camp.

We need depth at CB now and we're gonna need a TE to replace ? I mean Spaeth. You can prob. add a WR to that list as well.


Offense is inconsistent? I never said that it was.....Not sure why ppl would say that either.
:tt1

I never mentioned it was you who said offense was inconsistent but there are many who blame offense for Steelers loss in SB even though Defense did not make a single play.

I seriously believe if you get a chance to get a really good LT you draft him whether its need or not especially at 31.

WoodleyofTroy
04-29-2011, 02:54 PM
All I keep reading and hearing is how soft Sherrod is, and doesn't play with a killer instinct. He didn't sound like a Steeler to me before the draft, and it's evident they didn't think so either.

If he was anything close to a Pouncey personality (you just knew he was a Steeler type around this time in the process last year), or even Heyward for that matter, I'm sure they would have taken him.

NJ-STEELER
04-29-2011, 04:25 PM
Didn't 30 teams "pass on heyward" too??

I don't get that argument against Sherrod

insanesteelersfan
04-29-2011, 05:21 PM
Didn't 30 teams "pass on heyward" too??

I don't get that argument against Sherrod



Every single OT has OT size. It's basically a guessing game as to whether a top-3 T will be any better then one of the same height and size that is selected in round 5. But D-Linemen are different. 30 teams did not pass on Heyward. The other DL's taken above him are very unique specialists. Very few DL's are ready made physically to play in a 3-4 defense. Heyward is that. If we would have drafted Sherrod, we have no guarantee he would be any better a OT then Clemsons Chris Hairston, who is projected a late 5th to 6th round choice. In fact, I can make an argument that Hairston is a BETTER OT prospect then Sherrod is. But, we let Heyward go, then how many other prospects are around later on that have the prototype 3-4 DL size, that have Heywards pedigree ?...answer...None!
But there are sa I said MANY OT's that have Sherrod's prototype size and height, and better strength, and a better pedigree.



That's why ?

The Man of Steel
04-29-2011, 06:12 PM
Since I can't find it anywhere does anyone know how many games Brett Keisel and Aaron Smith missed last season because of injury? I seem to recall that combined it was pretty substantial.

Smith missed 10 games
Keisel missed 5 games


How many games did our starting right tackles Colon and Starks miss???? I don't think you wan't to play this game?
How about we play the age game instead?

Aaron Smith, born 4/19/1976
Brett Kiesel, born 9/19/1978

Max Starks, born 1/10/1982
Willie Colon, born 4/9/1983

steelerkeylargo
04-29-2011, 07:12 PM
[quote=Notleadpoisoned]Since I can't find it anywhere does anyone know how many games Brett Keisel and Aaron Smith missed last season because of injury? I seem to recall that combined it was pretty substantial.

Smith missed 10 games
Keisel missed 5 games


How many games did our starting right tackles Colon and Starks miss???? I don't think you wan't to play this game?
How about we play the age game instead?

Aaron Smith, born 4/19/1976
Brett Kiesel, born 9/19/1978

Flozell Adams 110 years old

Max Starks, born 1/10/1982
Willie Colon, born 4/9/1983[/quote:2vb8agsj]

feltdizz
04-29-2011, 07:19 PM
Didn't 30 teams "pass on heyward" too??

I don't get that argument against Sherrod

whoever we picked 30 teams would have passed on him.....
This gives people a chance to come up with a few bust nicknames for Heyward.

NJ-STEELER
04-29-2011, 07:28 PM
Didn't 30 teams "pass on heyward" too??

I don't get that argument against Sherrod

whoever we picked 30 teams would have passed on him..... exactly
This gives people a chance to come up with a few bust nicknames for Heyward.

i dont think he's a bust, just saw that argument used against drafting sherrod

Shawn
04-29-2011, 07:33 PM
I believe when all is said and done Heyward will be a pro bowl caliber player.

feltdizz
04-29-2011, 07:35 PM
[quote="NJ-STEELER":11bdssrw]Didn't 30 teams "pass on heyward" too??

I don't get that argument against Sherrod

whoever we picked 30 teams would have passed on him..... exactly
This gives people a chance to come up with a few bust nicknames for Heyward.

i dont think he's a bust, just saw that argument used against drafting sherrod[/quote:11bdssrw]

I hear you.... I don't know enough about Sherrod but I trust the FO in the first round.

Shawn
04-29-2011, 07:41 PM
Forget Sherrod...Heyward is the real deal. I still don't understand why some of you guys want O-L in the first round...unless the guy is a lock like Pouncey there is no way we should of taken him...that is why 30 other teams past on him also. Defense still does win championships!

The take home message is I seen ALOT of Heyward. Until his senior season I considered him a top 10-15 kinda talent. By his senior season the cat was out of the bag and I believe teams game planned around him. But, in the biggest game, Heyward was unstoppable...completely changed the game. When you can draft a game changer on a 3-4 DL you do it. His only real knock is his pass rushing ability. And I think that knock is when you compare him to 4-3 260 pound types. Because Heyward can totally disrupt an OL...the guy is a beast. We did really well when we drafted Heyward...and you too will be on board soon enough. :)