Official PlanetSteelers 2011 Mock Draft Commentary Thread

[RuthlessBurgher]

Since the other thread is for picks only, this thread is designed to house any reaction (general comments, accolades, humiliation, etc.) to the picks that have been made. Have at it!

[steelblood]

Great first pick!

Can someone throw up a pic of Dareus in the other thread? I'm embarrassed to say that I fail miserably when I try.

Thanks.

[hawaiiansteel]

what's not to love? :D


http://rumorsandrants.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/boobslovejuliojones.jpg

[RuthlessBurgher]

what's not to love? :D


http://rumorsandrants.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/boobslovejuliojones.jpg

During the lockout, the incoming rookie players should avoid going to Radio City Music Hall to shake the commissioner's hand and don their new team's jersey and ballcap. Instead, they should make up these T-shirts for all of the top prospects (a couple of sizes too small), and have a different Rockette come on stage when their guy is picked. Wouldn't this actually boost ratings for the draft on NFL Network?

:Boobs

[steelblood]

what's not to love? :D


http://rumorsandrants.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/boobslovejuliojones.jpg

During the lockout, the incoming rookie players should avoid going to Radio City Music Hall to shake the commissioner's hand and don their new team's jersey and ballcap. Instead, they should make up these T-shirts for all of the top prospects (a couple of sizes too small), and have a different Rockette come on stage when their guy is picked. Wouldn't this actually boost ratings for the draft on NFL Network?

:Boobs

That is funny. But, I seriously hope that NFL fans make a big stink at the draft. Lots of booing of Goodell and general surliness might help grease the wheels a bit.

[Discipline of Steel]

Booooo Goodell!!!!!

[Chadman]

Good Evening all.

Just wanted to apologise- Chadman would normally be all over something like this but time has been...well, it's busy here, let's just say.

So far so good as far as the picks go- all looks very possible. One small critisism- Jacksonville's pick was far to 'normal' & certainly not 'head shakingly bad' enough.

http://www.guzer.com/pictures/duct_tape_boobs.jpg

[D Rock]

Good Evening all.

Just wanted to apologise- Chadman would normally be all over something like this but time has been...well, it's busy here, let's just say.

So far so good as far as the picks go- all looks very possible. One small critisism- Jacksonville's pick was far to 'normal' & certainly not 'head shakingly bad' enough.

http://www.guzer.com/pictures/duct_tape_boobs.jpg


I made up for that by taking Tebow 10th last year, and the the Jags took Alualu at that same spot in the real draft. We got in out of our systems....or at least I did.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Good Evening all.

Just wanted to apologise- Chadman would normally be all over something like this but time has been...well, it's busy here, let's just say.

So far so good as far as the picks go- all looks very possible. One small critisism- Jacksonville's pick was far to 'normal' & certainly not 'head shakingly bad' enough.

http://www.guzer.com/pictures/duct_tape_boobs.jpg

People on the other side of the world who tend to be asleep during my 9 to 5 EST pick schedule are excused.

[steelblood]

Hey Ruthless,

Drock (SF) and I had a trade worked out for the STeelers pick. He gave me the ok a few picks ago thinking that the player he'd want would be there. I'm not sure if it is Locker or not. He said he'd send you his pick. Did he? Was it Locker?

I tried PMing you and it gave me an error.

steelblood

[RuthlessBurgher]

Hey Ruthless,

Drock (SF) and I had a trade worked out for the STeelers pick. He gave me the ok a few picks ago thinking that the player he'd want would be there. I'm not sure if it is Locker or not. He said he'd send you his pick. Did he? Was it Locker?

I tried PMing you and it gave me an error.

steelblood

It wasn't Locker. I'll put it through now.

[steelblood]

Hey Ruthless,

Drock (SF) and I had a trade worked out for the STeelers pick. He gave me the ok a few picks ago thinking that the player he'd want would be there. I'm not sure if it is Locker or not. He said he'd send you his pick. Did he? Was it Locker?

I tried PMing you and it gave me an error.

steelblood

It wasn't Locker. I'll put it through now.

Thanks very much!

[hawaiiansteel]

Hey Ruthless,

Drock (SF) and I had a trade worked out for the STeelers pick. He gave me the ok a few picks ago thinking that the player he'd want would be there. I'm not sure if it is Locker or not. He said he'd send you his pick. Did he? Was it Locker?

I tried PMing you and it gave me an error.

steelblood

It wasn't Locker. I'll put it through now.

Thanks very much!


well done steelblood! :Clap

this is a great trade for the Steelers and I hope we strongly consider trading down on Draft Day if a player we are not absolutely in love with is there when it's our turn at #31....

[D Rock]

Thanks for the detailed post on Ponder there Ruthless.


I got my guy at the spot I had set up a trade already. That worked out beautifully.

[hawaiiansteel]

Thanks for the detailed post on Ponder there Ruthless.

I got my guy at the spot I had set up a trade already. That worked out beautifully.


Ponder is a great fit for the 49'ers and their new West Coast offense they will be implementing...you made a great choice.

and if you hadn't traded up, I can assure you that Ponder would have been long gone by the time the 49ers drafted at #45 in Round 2.

[D Rock]

Thanks for the detailed post on Ponder there Ruthless.

I got my guy at the spot I had set up a trade already. That worked out beautifully.


Ponder is a great fit for the 49'ers and their new West Coast offense they will be implementing...you made a great choice.

and if you hadn't traded up, I can assure you that Ponder would have been long gone by the time the 49ers drafted at #45 in Round 2.


you say that as if you have insider info on what 1/3 of the teams in this draft are thinking....
:D

[hawaiiansteel]

[quote="D Rock":2c2dqltp]Thanks for the detailed post on Ponder there Ruthless.

I got my guy at the spot I had set up a trade already. That worked out beautifully.


Ponder is a great fit for the 49'ers and their new West Coast offense they will be implementing...you made a great choice.

and if you hadn't traded up, I can assure you that Ponder would have been long gone by the time the 49ers drafted at #45 in Round 2.


you say that as if you have insider info on what 1/3 of the teams in this draft are thinking....
:D[/quote:2c2dqltp]


I do know what Washington and Minnesota were thinking, guess I'm just smart that way...:D

[RuthlessBurgher]

[quote="D Rock":1hwa3dn7]Thanks for the detailed post on Ponder there Ruthless.

I got my guy at the spot I had set up a trade already. That worked out beautifully.


Ponder is a great fit for the 49'ers and their new West Coast offense they will be implementing...you made a great choice.

and if you hadn't traded up, I can assure you that Ponder would have been long gone by the time the 49ers drafted at #45 in Round 2.


you say that as if you have insider info on what 1/3 of the teams in this draft are thinking....
:D


I do know what Washington and Minnesota were thinking, guess I'm just smart that way...:D[/quote:1hwa3dn7]

Wow...since when to the front offices for the Vikes and Skins actually think about these players before they draft them??? :wink:

[D Rock]

Huh. Aaron Williams to the Packers?

I guess Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams, and Sam Shields just aren't cutting it anymore.


2nd year man, and last year's 3rd mound draft pick, Morgan Burnett is now the 5th corner at best....


Well, it's your team pfelix, I guess you can do with it what you want.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Huh. Aaron Williams to the Packers?

I guess Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams, and Sam Shields just aren't cutting it anymore.


2nd year man, and last year's 3rd mound draft pick, Morgan Burnett is now the 5th corner at best....


Well, it's your team pfelix, I guess you can do with it what you want.

I believe Burnett's a safety, not a corner. Plus, at his age, Woodson may be better as a safety than a corner. Then again, people are saying that Aaron Williams may be a better FS than CB himself on the next level.

[D Rock]

Huh. Aaron Williams to the Packers?

I guess Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams, and Sam Shields just aren't cutting it anymore.


2nd year man, and last year's 3rd mound draft pick, Morgan Burnett is now the 5th corner at best....


Well, it's your team pfelix, I guess you can do with it what you want.

I believe Burnett's a safety, not a corner. Plus, at his age, Woodson may be better as a safety than a corner. Then again, people are saying that Aaron Williams may be a better FS than CB himself on the next level.

You're right, Burnett is a safety I was wrong on that one.


But Woodson isn't likely to become a safety, at least not on that team. I imagine if they wanted to get some more years out of him they would try to make him a FS not a SS, and they've already got Nick Collins there. Besides, even at his age, Woodson is still a damn good corner.


I could see taking a strong safety in the first, but a CB/FS just doesn't seem like the best way to go for a team already stacked with playmakers in the defensive backfield.

[steelblood]

8 cornerbacks in the first 48 picks? Wow. You guys sure are making it hard on the Steelers. :(

[hawaiiansteel]

8 cornerbacks in the first 48 picks? Wow. You guys sure are making it hard on the Steelers. :(


the NFL has basically become a pass-happy QB-driven league, virtually every team is in need of good CBs that can help defend against today's multiple WR spread offenses.

and the Ravens need to take a CB still before the Steelers pick again...

[steelblood]

8 cornerbacks in the first 48 picks? Wow. You guys sure are making it hard on the Steelers. :(


the NFL has basically become a pass-happy QB-driven league, virtually every team is in need of good CBs that can help defend against today's multiple WR spread offenses.

and the Ravens need to take a CB still before the Steelers pick again...

Pass league. Yet we only have 2 WRs and one safety. I think what we have here is a group of mock drafters who have spent a lot of time studying cbs because that is what the Steelers need. We may be overvaluing them even more than the teams who are desperate for CBs.

I wouldn't be totally shocked to see 8 cbs go in the first 48. But, I would be surprised. I'd say 8-9 in the first 64 is about right. It just isn't a talented enough class to warrant many more.

Just an observation. I don't mean for this to come off as a complaint. This is fun. I'm just analyzing what's happened.

[hawaiiansteel]

8 cornerbacks in the first 48 picks? Wow. You guys sure are making it hard on the Steelers. :(


the NFL has basically become a pass-happy QB-driven league, virtually every team is in need of good CBs that can help defend against today's multiple WR spread offenses.

and the Ravens need to take a CB still before the Steelers pick again...

Pass league. Yet we only have 2 WRs and one safety. I think what we have here is a group of mock drafters who have spent a lot of time studying cbs because that is what the Steelers need. We may be overvaluing them even more than the teams who are desperate for CBs.

I wouldn't be totally shocked to see 8 cbs go in the first 48. But, I would be surprised. I'd say 8-9 in the first 64 is about right. It just isn't a talented enough class to warrant many more.

Just an observation. I don't mean for this to come off as a complaint. This is fun. I'm just analyzing what's happened.


Patrick Peterson, Prince Amukamara and Jimmy Smith are Round 1 CBs and Ras-I Dowling, Aaron Williams and Brandon Harris are Round 1-2 rated CBs...so that makes 6 right there. Curtis Brown (projected as a mid 2nd round pick) and Davon House (especially after he ran a 4.32 at his Pro Day with the Raiders in attendance) were the other 2 CBs that were definitely Round 2 worthy so I don't believe they were overdrafted either. House is NFLDraftScout.com's No. 7 rated CB and they have him being selected in the 2nd round.

and remember because of the lockout teams are forced to approach the draft assuming their free agent CBs like Asomugha, Ike Taylor, etc. won't be back....this places even a higher value on drafting a CB replacement early this year.

[steelblood]

Right, I never disagreed with any of that. I said 8-9 in the first two rounds. Just surprised by 8 in the first 48. At this pace, we could see 10 or 11 corners picked in the first 64 (especially with Baltimore and Pittsburgh still desperate for help). That would be a little high, imo.

Consider the following...

walter football's 4-19 draft
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2011.php
5 CBs in the first 48, 7 in the first 64

draftcountdown's 4-20 mock
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php
7 CBs in the first 48, 7 in the first 64

Russ Lande, gm jr/sporting news
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/20 ... mock-draft (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2011-04/final-mock-draft/story/nfl-final-mock-draft-round-1-2011-nfl-mock-draft)
4 CBs in the first 48, 6 in the first 64

keylargo's national football report
6 cbs in 48, 9 in 64
http://thenationalfootballreport.com/dr ... -7-rounds/ (http://thenationalfootballreport.com/draft/mock-draft/mock-draft-9-0-7-rounds/)

As you can see, by the middle of the 2nd round (pick 48), the Planet Steelers mock has a very high number of corners selected relative to other mock drafts and projections. This is my point. Is it possible? Absolutely. Is it likely? Probably not. Just an observation. It is interesting how it has unfolded.

[hawaiiansteel]

Right, I never disagreed with any of that. I said 8-9 in the first two rounds. Just surprised by 8 in the first 48. At this pace, we could see 10 or 11 corners picked in the first 64 (especially with Baltimore and Pittsburgh still desperate for help). That would be a little high, imo.

Consider the following...

walter football's 4-19 draft
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2011.php
5 CBs in the first 48, 7 in the first 64

draftcountdown's 4-20 mock
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php
7 CBs in the first 48, 7 in the first 64

Russ Lande, gm jr/sporting news
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/20 ... mock-draft (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2011-04/final-mock-draft/story/nfl-final-mock-draft-round-1-2011-nfl-mock-draft)
4 CBs in the first 48, 6 in the first 64

keylargo's national football report
6 cbs in 48, 9 in 64
http://thenationalfootballreport.com/dr ... -7-rounds/ (http://thenationalfootballreport.com/draft/mock-draft/mock-draft-9-0-7-rounds/)

As you can see, by the middle of the 2nd round (pick 48), the Planet Steelers mock has a very high number of corners selected relative to other mock drafts and projections. This is my point. Is it possible? Absolutely. Is it likely? Probably not. Just an observation. It is interesting how it has unfolded.


when Pittsburgh's selection at #31 came around the Steelers had the chance to draft any CB except Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara who went in the first 7 picks and Jimmy Smith, who most likely isn't even on the Steelers' draft board.

it's interesting that you quoted Walter's Football and Draft Countdown to make your point, did you by any chance notice who they had Pittsburgh selecting with their pick at #31? they both had us picking CB Aaron Williams, and he was still available in our PS mock when Pittsburgh was on the clock at #31. and Russ Lande from the Sporting News had Ras-I Dowling going to the Patriots at #28, Dowling was also still available when the Steelers were scheduled to pick at #31.

however, you chose not to take Aaron Williams (who pfelix and the Packers jumped on with pick #32 right afterwards) or Ras-I Dowling or Brandon Harris and trade down instead to a spot behind Houston and Detroit. when the Lions missed out on Prince Amukamara in the first you surely must have known they would go CB in Round 2 and when the CB starved Texans who had the worst pass defense in the NFL last season chose a DE in Round 1 you had to figure they would look to draft a CB in Round 2.

the Steelers definitely should not have traded down below the Texans and the Lions if they were looking for one of the top CBs...and once you did, you could have traded up ahead of the Lions and Texans using only a 4th round draft choice, I know for a fact that the Dallas Cowboys and the New Orleans Saints at #s 40 and 41 would have accepted that trade with the Steelers.

[RuthlessBurgher]

8 cornerbacks in the first 48 picks? Wow. You guys sure are making it hard on the Steelers. :(

In addition to the CB's as you mentioned, we are also very heavy on d-lineman so far (which was certainly expected...some experts are calling for nearly half of the first round to be on the DL). Also 10 o-linemen are off the board at this point (I expected Pouncey and the top 5 OT's to go in round 1, plus Ijalana likely early in round 2, but was somewhat surprised at how early Carpenter, Cannon, and Gilbert went). Five QB's off the board as well (2 early first, 2 late first, and 1 second so far).

What does this all mean? We only have 1 RB (Ingram), 2 WR (Green and Jones), 1 TE (Rudolph), and 1 true safety (Moore...it appears that Green Bay drafted Aaron Williams to be a CB in their system, not a safety at this point) through a round and a half of our mock. Perhaps we start to see a run on some of these positions going forward now that some of the others have been nearly picked clean early. We shall see...

[steelblood]

Right, I never disagreed with any of that. I said 8-9 in the first two rounds. Just surprised by 8 in the first 48. At this pace, we could see 10 or 11 corners picked in the first 64 (especially with Baltimore and Pittsburgh still desperate for help). That would be a little high, imo.

Consider the following...

walter football's 4-19 draft
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2011.php
5 CBs in the first 48, 7 in the first 64

draftcountdown's 4-20 mock
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php
7 CBs in the first 48, 7 in the first 64

Russ Lande, gm jr/sporting news
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/20 ... mock-draft (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2011-04/final-mock-draft/story/nfl-final-mock-draft-round-1-2011-nfl-mock-draft)
4 CBs in the first 48, 6 in the first 64

keylargo's national football report
6 cbs in 48, 9 in 64
http://thenationalfootballreport.com/dr ... -7-rounds/ (http://thenationalfootballreport.com/draft/mock-draft/mock-draft-9-0-7-rounds/)

As you can see, by the middle of the 2nd round (pick 48), the Planet Steelers mock has a very high number of corners selected relative to other mock drafts and projections. This is my point. Is it possible? Absolutely. Is it likely? Probably not. Just an observation. It is interesting how it has unfolded.


when Pittsburgh's selection at #31 came around the Steelers had the chance to draft any CB except Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara who went in the first 7 picks and Jimmy Smith, who most likely isn't even on the Steelers' draft board.

it's interesting that you quoted Walter's Football and Draft Countdown to make your point, did you by any chance notice who they had Pittsburgh selecting with their pick at #31? they both had us picking CB Aaron Williams, and he was still available in our PS mock when Pittsburgh was on the clock at #31. and Russ Lande from the Sporting News had Ras-I Dowling going to the Patriots at #28, Dowling was also still available when the Steelers were scheduled to pick at #31.

however, you chose not to take Aaron Williams (who pfelix and the Packers jumped on with pick #32 right afterwards) or Ras-I Dowling or Brandon Harris and trade down instead to a spot behind Houston and Detroit. when the Lions missed out on Prince Amukamara in the first you surely must have known they would go CB in Round 2 and when the CB starved Texans who had the worst pass defense in the NFL last season chose a DE in Round 1 you had to figure they would look to draft a CB in Round 2.

the Steelers definitely should not have traded down below the Texans and the Lions if they were looking for one of the top CBs...and once you did, you could have traded up ahead of the Lions and Texans using only a 4th round draft choice, I know for a fact that the Dallas Cowboys and the New Orleans Saints at #s 40 and 41 would have accepted that trade with the Steelers.

Frankly, I don't love Williams that much more than the other guys (Dowling, Moore - who can play nickel corner, Brown, and Harris). I figured one would be there at the pick I traded for. They weren't. I would have traded back up if I could have (but the negotiation I was in at work ran really long). Oh well, we move on and try to adjust.

[steelblood]

8 cornerbacks in the first 48 picks? Wow. You guys sure are making it hard on the Steelers. :(

In addition to the CB's as you mentioned, we are also very heavy on d-lineman so far (which was certainly expected...some experts are calling for nearly half of the first round to be on the DL). Also 10 o-linemen are off the board at this point (I expected Pouncey and the top 5 OT's to go in round 1, plus Ijalana likely early in round 2, but was somewhat surprised at how early Carpenter, Cannon, and Gilbert went). Five QB's off the board as well (2 early first, 2 late first, and 1 second so far).

What does this all mean? We only have 1 RB (Ingram), 2 WR (Green and Jones), 1 TE (Rudolph), and 1 true safety (Moore...it appears that Green Bay drafted Aaron Williams to be a CB in their system, not a safety at this point) through a round and a half of our mock. Perhaps we start to see a run on some of these positions going forward now that some of the others have been nearly picked clean early. We shall see...

Yeah, Carpenter and Cannon were on my Steeler's short list. But, they are talented guys, and I could see them getting picked where they did.

[Discipline of Steel]

I have to be honest, thank goodness we arent drafting past three rounds because i dont recognize a single name selected except for the two I took. Im just not the draft guru some of you are. On the other hand, Im keeping track of at least 50 new players in the NFL, plus everyone already there, and i cant think of the name of a single baseball player beyond A-Rod. And Roger Clemons but he's retired. OK, and Barry Bonds too. Id better know about him, its when he, Bonilla, and Van Slyke, and Drabek left the Pirates that i stopped caring about baseball. Turns out thats also around the time the club went permanently south. Anyway, Im content to know about the top NFL rookies...and I anticipate the draft, at least for the first day or two.

MP (squared) .........Lets do this! :Beer

[RuthlessBurgher]

I have to be honest, thank goodness we arent drafting past three rounds because i dont recognize a single name selected except for the two I took. Im just not the draft guru some of you are. On the other hand, Im keeping track of at least 50 new players in the NFL, plus everyone already there, and i cant think of the name of a single baseball player beyond A-Rod. And Roger Clemons but he's retired. OK, and Barry Bonds too. Id better know about him, its when he, Bonilla, and Van Slyke, and Drabek left the Pirates that i stopped caring about baseball. Turns out thats also around the time the club went permanently south. Anyway, Im content to know about the top NFL rookies...and I anticipate the draft, at least for the first day or two.

MP (squared) .........Lets do this! :Beer

You can't forget about Albert Poo Holes. :wink:

http://www.pulledmygroin.com/images/albert-pujols-shirt-funny.jpg

[pfelix73]

I took Aaron Willliams with that GB last pick in the 1st, because he was what I thought the best player available. Woodson isn't getting any younger and Aaron Williams is gonna be (I think anyways) possibly the next Ed Reed-type ball hawk. Aaron can play either CB or Safety. I hope whoever picks him (Steelers?) that he stays at CB though. This guy is impressive..I like him better than Prince actually.

[hawaiiansteel]

Yeah, Carpenter and Cannon were on my Steeler's short list. But, they are talented guys, and I could see them getting picked where they did.


this from WalterFootball's previous mock:


2(63) Pittsburgh Steelers: James Carpenter, OT, Alabama

The Steelers will need multiple offensive linemen if they can't re-sign Willie Colon. James Carpenter has drawn some interest from the team and fits perfectly into their blocking scheme.

Carpenter's draft stock is gaining a ton of momentum. Some reports have Carpenter emerging as a first-round prospect.

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2011_2.php


and this is where WalterFootball has James Carpenter going in his latest mock:

2(43) Minnesota Vikings: James Carpenter, OT, Alabama

Teams that draft quarterbacks early usually spend their next selection on an offensive lineman or play-making weapon for that signal-caller. Think Sam Bradford-Rodger Saffold, Matthew Stafford-Brandon Pettigrew and Matt Ryan-Sam Baker.

As Brett Favre discovered last year, the Vikings really need to upgrade their offensive line. James Carpenter is gaining a ton of momentum. There's even been talk that he could be chosen late in the first round, which I'm not buying quite yet.

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2011_2.php

[hawaiiansteel]

and this from Mike Mayock about Marcus Gilbert:


TUESDAY, APRIL 19, 2011

Mayock On the Draft: Offensive Tackle, Interior Line


The Riser

Marcus Gilbert

6-6, 330

40-time: 5.41

Florida

Mayock: ``Has long arms. Is a strong kid. I thought he was a pretty solid player on tape. I liked him even better at the Senior Bowl. He looks the part and is a solid second-round pick, but it wouldn’t surprise me if somebody took him late in the first.’’

Round projection: 2

Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eag ... z1KmohhzeN


and this is who WalterFootball has us selecting at 2(63) in his latest mock:


2(63) Pittsburgh Steelers: Marcus Gilbert, OT, Florida

Marcus Gilbert's draft stock is gaining some momentum. Mike Mayock recently said that he could be chosen in the second round.

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2011_2.php

[steelblood]

marcus gilbert in the first? wow. that would shock me.

[steelblood]

marcus gilbert in the first? wow. that would shock me.

[hawaiiansteel]

marcus gilbert in the first? wow. that would shock me.


how about Marcus Gilbert to the Steelers in Round 2, would that shock you? :)

[steelblood]

marcus gilbert in the first? wow. that would shock me.


how about Marcus Gilbert to the Steelers in Round 2, would that shock you? :)

I wasn't shocked. Thanks to all of the articles that you post. :)