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hawaiiansteel
04-11-2011, 02:51 PM
NFL Scouting II: Running Backs

By Michael DiJulio
For SteelCityInsider.net
Posted Apr 8, 2011


Take a look at last year’s results, and you will find that four of the league’s top six rushing teams employed multiple runners in the backfield in 2010. Kansas City (Jamaal Charles & Thomas Jones), Oakland (Darren McFadden & Michael Bush), the New York Jets (LaDainian Tomlinson & Shonn Greene) and the New York Giants (Ahmad Bradshaw & Brandon Jacobs) all featured two runners with at least 145 carries. The “running back by committee” approach has become increasingly popular in the NFL and as a result, I’ve decided to make this breakdown a little easier and split up the ball carriers into three categories: The running backs, the power backs, and the all-purpose/change-of-pace runners.

POSITION REPORT CARD: This group is thin at the top and has just one surefire first rounder, but the NFL is trending away from that kind of running game anyway. There are plenty of solid players to be had in the middle rounds. Teams looking to add specific pieces to their committees of running backs have a great chance to do so in the third and fourth rounds. Additionally, a lot of the later-round prospects have injury concerns, but getting in a stable of backs might be just what the doctor ordered. If they can split carries and limit touches, they could make solid contributions while also staying relatively healthy. This group receives a B minus grade.

THE ALL-AROUND BACKS

Mark Ingram, Alabama
5:09.1-215-4.66

Good News: Terrific balance and vision…Patient in following his blocking to find the running lanes…Runs with a low center of gravity and consistently maintains a low pad level to break tackles…Great lateral agility to hit creases…Very secure as a ball carrier – fumbled three times on 634 total touches...Solid pass blocker and reliable receiver.

Bad News: Lacks top-notch breakaway speed…Missed the first two games of the 2010 season with a knee injury.

2010 Statistics: Co-Recipient of Alabama’s Offensive Player of the Year Award…Gained 875 yards with 13 touchdowns on 158 carries (5.54 ypc)…Added 282 yards and another score on 21 receptions (13.43 ypc).

Prediction: Ingram is only running back in this draft who is assured a first-round selection. The often-heard Emmitt Smith comparisons are legitimate. He’s the every-down runner who can be a team’s feature back and should expect to hear his name called in the mid-to-late portions of day one.

Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech
5:09.3-212-4.64

Good News: Exceptional vision to find cutback lanes…Good lateral agility and bursts off cuts...Takes advantage of creases with great acceleration…Explosive as a runner…Runs bigger than his size due to effort and pad level…Capable receiver out of the backfield…Lots of tread on tires with just 367 carries in his college career.

Bad News: Hampered in 2010 due to a right hamstring injury…Lacks elite speed, but plays faster than his 40 time…Average size…Must improved as a blocker, which is part of the reason the Hokies redshirted him in 2008.

2010 Statistics: Gained 262 yards with five touchdowns on 74 carries (3.54 ypc)…Added 97 yards and another score on eight receptions (12.13 ypc).

Prediction: Williams has first-round talent but was extremely limited as a sophomore due to a nagging right hamstring problem. He’s healthy again and has a good amount of tread left on the tires, which will be appealing when you consider the short life span of running backs. The Hokies tailback has explosive ability and should be gone early in the second round.

Jordan Todman, Connecticut
5:08.7-203-4.50

Good News: Good patience and vision…Methodically picks his way through the defense…Deceptive speed to break the long one…Runs bigger than his size, showing the determination to slip the grasp of defenders...Solid lateral agility and balance.

Bad News: Could be more decisive…Lacks great size and has had some durability concerns…Flashes upside as a receiver but hasn’t been overly productive…Needs to improve blocking…Fairly average burst and acceleration.

2010 Statistics: Big East Offensive Player of the Year…Gained 1,695 yards with 14 touchdowns on 334 carries (5.08 ypc)…Added 94 yards on 19 receptions (4.95 ypc).

Prediction: Todman isn’t always the flashiest of players, but he delivers solid production. He’s been able to handle a heavy workload for a smaller back and plays bigger than his size would indicate, showing the determination to make defenders who don’t wrap up pay for their mistake. He also shows good vision and follows his blocking. The Connecticut tailback won’t escape the third round.

Delone Carter, Syracuse
5:08.5-222-4.58

Good News: Perfect frame for a running back and well-developed base…Exceptional balance…Bounces off defenders who don’t wrap up and can stay on his feet to pick up extra yardage...Shows enough power to run through arm tackles…Good lateral agility to elude oncoming defenders.

Bad News: Lacks great vision…Likes to jump-cut to the hole and does too much dancing at times…Hasn’t shown much as a receiver – just eight receptions as a senior…Missed the entire 2007 season with a hip injury.

2010 Statistics: All-Big East second-team selection…Gained 1,233 yards with nine touchdowns on 231 carries (5.34 ypc)…Added 45 yards on eight receptions (5.63 ypc).

Prediction: Carter has that thick build that NFL teams love to see on a running back. Strong performances late in the season and at the East-West Shrine game have really helped his stock and he should be selected early on the third day.

ROY HELU, Nebraska
5:11.4-219-4.44

Good News: Explosive “run to daylight” kind of tailback…Exceptional speed to break the long run…Good acceleration and bursts off cuts…Solid vision to find the cutback lanes…Decent agility and elusiveness…Good balance to stay on feet through initial contact.

Bad News: Doesn’t possess the power his size would indicate and not consistent as an inside runner…Has a tendency to hesitate at the line of scrimmage, which will get him into trouble at the next level…Has potential, but wasn’t used much as a receiver…Must improve in pass protection.

2010 Statistics: All-Big 12 Conference second-team selection…Gained 1,245 yards with 11 touchdowns on 188 carries (6.62 ypc)…Added 46 yards on five receptions (9.20 ypc).

Prediction: Helu displays good recognition of cutback lanes and his speed is top-notch. However, he doesn’t run with the power you would expect from a 219-pound back and isn’t going to consistently bang it inside. I’m admittedly not a huge fan of his, but his explosiveness will likely warrant a fourth-round selection.

Bilal Powell, Louisville
5:10.4-207

Good News: Good balance to stay on feet through contact…Runs with good power for his size and keeps his legs churning…Great start-and-stop skills…Reliable as a receiver…Solid, thick build through the legs.

Bad News: Average top-end speed…Doesn’t have great elusiveness…Had just one season of elite production…Hampered during the pre-draft process with a hamstring injury.

2010 Statistics: All-Big East first-team selection…Gained 1,405 yards with 11 touchdowns and 229 carries (6.14 ypc)…Added 158 yards with three more scores on 18 receptions (8.78 ypc).

Prediction: Powell is already flagged as a “one-year wonder” and a nagging hamstring injury that has limited him throughout the pre-draft process has not helped his cause. Still, he’s carried just 436 times in his career and has a good amount of tread left on the tires. He offers a good combination of power and big-play ability and should warrant a fifth round selection.

Honorable Mention:

Dion Lewis, Pittsburgh
5:06.5-193-4.62
Notes…Offers vision and patience with great feet and lateral agility, but left school early after a lackluster 2010 campaign.

Evan Royster, Penn State
5:11.5-212-4.73
Notes…Tough inside runner who finished his career as the school’s all-time leading rusher, but lacks great vision and runs too high.

Damien Berry, Miami (FL)
5:10.2-211-4.62
Notes…Underrated runner with good vision and determination who could be one of the late steals.

Johnny White, North Carolina
5:09.7-209-4.65
Notes…Offers great value as a late-round pick or free agent thanks to excellent lateral agility, patience and effort.


THE POWER BACKS

Mikel Leshoure, Illinois
5:11.5-227-4.65

Good News: Good balance and power…Can run through arm tackles and bowl over defensive backs in the second level…Exceptionally quick feet and nimble for a player his size…Solid vision to find cutback lanes and great burst allows him to take advantage.

Bad News: Runs too high at times…Speed is good for a player his size but not great overall and won’t pull away from a lot of NFL defenses…Will need to improve in pass protection…Flashes productivity as a receiver but catches a lot of balls with his body…Suspended in 2009 for violation of team rules

2010 Statistics: Second-team All-American and Texas Bowl MVP…Gained 1,697 yards with 17 touchdowns on 281 carries (6.04 ypc)…Added 193 yards and three more scores on 17 receptions (11.35 ypc).

Prediction: Leshoure is often compared to his Fighting Illini predecessor, Rashard Mendenhall, due to similar running styles. While I don’t believe Leshoure is as good a prospect as Mendenhall, he’s still explosive for a power back and has the skill set to be an every-down player. Some view him as a potential late first-round pick, but barring a trade, I really don’t see any suitors in that area who need to spend that high of a pick on a running back. It’s more likely you will see Leshoure chosen in the second round.

Daniel Thomas, Kansas State
6:00.2-230

Good News: Powerful downhill runner…Runs through arm tackles and can make defenders who don’t wrap-up pay with a nice spin move…Good enough balance to stay on feet through contact…Excellent athletic ability for a player his size, showing the agility to plant and cut up field with decent burst…Plenty of experience in the Wildcat and is a threat to throw the ball as a former quarterback…Solid vision but not elite…Reliable receiver.

Bad News: Has been unable to run in front of scouts yet due to a nagging hamstring injury and does not show good speed on tape anyways…Runs too high at times and leaves himself exposed…Legitimate ball-security issues…Questionable pass blocker.

2010 Statistics: Second-team All-Big 12 selection and Kansas State Offensive Most Valuable Player…Gained 1,585 yards with 19 touchdowns on 298 carries (5.32 ypc)…Added 171 yards on 27 receptions (6.33 ypc).

Prediction: Thomas doesn’t display great speed on film and scouts have legitimate concerns. Unfortunately he has done nothing to silence his doubters, as a hamstring injury has prevented him from running thus far in the pre-draft process. When he finally works out, a good day will solidify a spot in the second round while a poor performance could drop him as low as the fourth.

Jamie Harper, Clemson
5:11.3-233-4.63

Good News: Flashes the power to put his shoulder down and bowl over defenders…Good balance to stay on his feet through contact…Athletic for his size, showing nice feet to elude tacklers and burst to break the longer run…Impressive receiving ability – shows incredible body control and can adjust to the football…Good amount of tread on the tires (just 311 career carries).

Bad News: Negates his power by running too high…Needs to run with better pad level more consistently…Fast for his size, but average overall speed…Only average lateral agility and vision…Could improve in pass protection and has the size to be effective.

2010 Statistics: Gained 760 yards with seven touchdowns on 197 carries (3.86 ypc)…Added 328 yards with three more scores on 35 receptions (9.37 ypc).

Prediction: Harper is one of the most underrated big backs available in 2011. He needs to improve his pad level to become more consistent as a power runner, but he flashes fantastic strength and possesses uncanny ability as a receiver. He should be able to contribute early as a third-down back and should be selected in the fourth or fifth rounds.

Alex Green, Hawaii
6:00.2-225-4.55

Good News: No-nonsense runner who immediately gets downfield…Powerful and is willing to lower his shoulder into defenders to gain extra yardage…Bursts through the hole without hesitation…Nimble for his size and flashes quick feet to elude defenders from time to time…Soft hands out of the backfield and can contribute as a receiver.

Bad News: Lacks vision and patience…Straight-ahead runner and isn’t going to elude a lot of NFL defenders…Good enough speed but lacks a second gear to pull away from the defense…Likely isn’t an every-down back at the next level.

2010 Statistics: Only the seventh Hawaii player to gained 1,000 yards rushing or more in a season…Gained 1,199 yards with 18 touchdowns on 146 carries (8.21 ypc)…Added 363 yards with another score on 27 receptions (13.44 ypc).

Prediction: Green doesn’t have the vision and patience to be an every-down player in the NFL, but he can be productive in a committee of backs. His added ability as a receiver makes him an attractive option as a third-down back as well. Teams looking to add a power element can find value in Green during the fifth round.

Stevan Ridley, Louisiana State
5:11.2-225-4.73

Good News: Decisive downhill runner who attacks the line of scrimmage…Lowers shoulders into contact and keeps his feet driving…Strong and consistently falls forward…Good feet and lateral agility…Solid vision to locate cutback lanes.

Bad News: Average speed and isn’t going to pull away from defenses…Lacks elusiveness…Limited experience as a receiver…Likely not an every-down back in the NFL…Had just one season of production before leaving school.

2010 Statistics: All-SEC first-team selection…Gained 1,147 yards with 15 touchdowns on 249 carries (4.61 ypc)…Added 61 yards on 11 receptions (5.54 ypc).

Prediction: Ridley emerged as the Tigers’ top back in 2010 after registering just 67 carries in his previous two seasons combined. He’s the Mike Anderson/Reuben Droughns-type of big back that can excel in a zone blocking scheme. If not in a zone scheme, he could offer a power option in a committee of runners, but his value decreases because he’s not going to be an every-down player. Ridley should warrant fifth or sixth round consideration.

Honorable Mention:

Anthony Allen, Georgia Tech
6:00.6-228-4.61
Notes…Powerful back with good balance, but played in a triple-option offense that typically hasn’t translated well to the next level.

Allen Bradford, Southern California
5:10.7-242-4.61
Notes…Converted defensive player who can offer power as a physical downhill runner in a committee of ball carriers.

John Clay, Wisconsin
6:00.4-230-4.92
Notes…Huge runner with surprisingly nimble feet, but posted an alarmingly slow 40-yard dash time at the combine.

ALL-PURPOSE/CHANGE-OF-PACE BACKS

Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma State
5:07.2-199-4.57

Good News: Patient, but hits hole hard with outstanding acceleration when he locates his lane…Good vision and decisive as a runner…Exceptional quickness and plays faster than his 40 time…Showed tenacity as a blocker despite giving up weight to linebackers.

Bad News: Lacks size and is not an every-down back…Gives good effort as a blocker, but is simply too small to take on NFL defenders…Could contribute as a receiver, but didn’t offer a lot of production in that aspect over the past two seasons…Durability concerns – missed time in 2009 with ankle/foot injuries.

2010 Statistics: Consensus All-American…Gained 1,548 yards with 16 touchdowns on 271 carries (5.71 ypc)…Added 101 yards on 20 receptions (5.05 ypc).

Production…Hunter is the kind of one-cut and go running back that could excel in a zone blocking scheme thanks to his vision and decisiveness. He’s not an every-down back in a traditional scheme, but could be a great change-of-pace guy in a stable. Hunter possesses second-round talent, although his lack of size could push him into the third.

DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma
5:11.5-213-4.43

Good News: Possesses breakaway speed and can contribute in multiple areas…Excellent receiver out of the backfield and has experience returning kickoffs…Good burst and acceleration to explode off his cuts…Solid lateral agility to elude defenders…Runs with determination even though he lacks power...Displays pretty good balance.

Bad News: Runs too high to consistently get the job done inside…Has a linear build more suited for a receiver…Leaves himself susceptible to big hits and has durability concerns…Vision is very average overall.

2010 Statistics: All-Big 12 Conference first-team selection…Gained 1,214 yards with 15 touchdowns on 282 carries (4.30 ypc)…Added 594 yards and five more scores on 71 receptions (8.37 ypc).

Prediction: Murray has a linear build and run too tall to consistently bang it inside. He leaves himself vulnerable to taking big shots at the next level and has already had some trouble staying healthy. He does offer a lot as a receiver, however, and the ability to contribute in multiple facets of the game may entice a team to select him in the second or third round.

Shane Vereen, California
5:10.2-210-4.55

Good News: Excellent speed…Decisive runner with nice vision to find the cutback lanes…Solid balance with good burst and acceleration…Great receiver out of the backfield who is used on downfield routes…Reliable as a pass blocker.

Bad News: Doesn’t offer a lot of strength as a runner but keeps his legs churning through contact…May lack the size to be an every-down back at the next level…Has had some ball-security issues.

2010 Statistics: All-Pac-10 second-team selection…Gained 1,167 yards with 13 touchdowns on 231 carries (5.05 ypc)…Added 209 yards with three more scores on 22 receptions (9.50 ypc).

Prediction: Vereen is another back whose vision and decisiveness make him a nice fit in the zone-blocking scheme. He could contribute early as a third-down back thanks to his exceptional receiving ability and solid pass protection. Teams will value his versatility and solid all-around game, likely resulting in a third-round selection.

Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State
5:05.7-196-4.70

Good News: Well-built despite lack of height…Elusive with exceptionally quick feet…Good vision and knows how to use size to his advantage…Terrific balance and runs with determination…Well-accomplished as a receiver and will contribute in the passing game…Can handle a heavy workload.

Bad News: Durability is always a concern with a player his size, although Rodgers has played in every game over the past two seasons (missed two games in 2008)…Lacks great top-end speed, but is the type player who is quicker than fast…Can dance to the hole a bit too much at times and could be more decisive…Quite a bit of wear for a smaller back (939 touches in three seasons).

2010 Statistics: All-Pac-10 Conference first-team selection…Gained 1,184 yards with 14 touchdowns on 256 carries (4.63 ypc)…Added 287 yards with three more scores on 44 receptions (6.52 ypc).

Prediction: Rodgers may lack great height, but he knows how to use it to his advantage. He patiently hides behind his offensive line and uses his quick feet to find running lanes. Rodgers is also well-accomplished as a receiver and can be an asset in the passing game. He’s very underrated and offers a lot of value in the third or fourth round with a chance to contribute early.

Derrick Locke, Kentucky
5:08.2-188-4.50

Good News: Blazing game speed to break off big gains…Can take the edge on the outside run…Solid vision to locate cutback lanes and has the agility and acceleration to take advantage…Shifty and can make defenders miss…All-purpose back that can contribute as a runner, receiver and returner…Good balance and effort…Can run through a few arm tackles on occasion.

Bad News: Smaller back with legitimate durability concerns…Missed time in each of the past three seasons…Simply lacks power as a runner despite effort…Size is going to prevent him from being very reliable in pass protection on third-down…Not an every-down back.

2010 Statistics: Gained 887 yards with 10 touchdowns on 166 carries (5.34 ypc)…Added 318 yards on 34 receptions (9.35 ypc) and 395 yards on 15 kickoff returns (26.33 avg).

Prediction: Locke is a nifty all-purpose runner who can contribute in multiple areas. Although he lacks size and has a history of injury, getting in a stable of backs might be just what the doctor ordered. A team can get a lot of value out of Locke as a change-of-pace back in the fifth or sixth round, and limiting his carries would give him a better chance of staying healthy.

Taiwan Jones, Eastern Washington
5:11.5-194

Good News: Absolute burner with sprinter speed…Excellent agility and change-of-direction skills…Elite acceleration – can plant and explode up field with tremendous burst…Very good balance and can stay on his feet through poor tackle attempts…Good elusiveness to make defenders miss.

Bad News: Slight frame and tall stature won’t allow him to consistently contribute as an inside runner…Major injury concerns – has missed time in four out of the last five seasons dating back to high school (exception was his redshirt year)…Played against lower-level competition…Character concerns regarding maturity.

2010 Statistics: Ranked second in the FCS in rushing yards (145.17 ypg) and all-purpose yards (201.75 ypg)…Totaled 1,742 yards with 14 touchdowns on 221 carries (7.88 ypc)…Added 342 yards with three more scores on 24 receptions (14.25 ypc) and 309 yards on 15 kickoff returns (20.6 avg).

Prediction: Jones might be the biggest wildcard in the draft. He’s a phenomenal talent, but has some legitimate durability questions. Jones suffered a broken foot late in 2010 and has been unable to work out in front of scouts thus far in the pre-draft process. He’s slated to run on April 14th. If he is as fast as everyone expects (potential low 4.3s), his stock could skyrocket into a third-round selection at the latest. If he is unable to run or ends up being slower than expect, he could slip as far as the fifth round. Teams will take a gamble on his kind of talent, but only if he can back it up and prove his health.

Honorable Mention:

Noel Devine, West Virginia
5:07.4-179
Notes…Explosive runner with fantastic quickness and elusiveness, but has a slight frame and durability concerns.

DA’REL SCOTT, Maryland
5:11.0-211-4.38
Notes…Offers blazing speed in a bigger package, but has a history of injury.

Mario Fannin, Auburn
5:10.3-231-4.41
Notes…Good size and an excellent receiver out of the backfield, but produced a disappointing senior campaign that included some fumbling problems.

http://pit.scout.com/2/1062569.html

Jooser
04-11-2011, 04:14 PM
I'll be very surprised if we draft a RB any sooner than the 5th after reading the article about Ben and Bruce wanting to pass more. I think we'll look to pick up a taller, large frame WR and possibly another TE first. Plus, we still don't know for sure what the kid we drafted last year can do at RB, he's a big frame guy who could come in to ice games if he pans out. We'll see.

flippy
04-12-2011, 06:31 AM
I'd love to see us get Lewis later in the draft. He's as talented as any of the projected first rounders.

calmkiller
04-12-2011, 08:50 AM
I would take Jordan Todman in a minute. I would like to have Noel as well, but I doubt it happens.

hawaiiansteel
04-14-2011, 03:00 PM
Source: Taiwan Jones runs 4.33 at Thursday Pro Day

Posted by Evan Silva on April 14, 2011

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A league source tells PFT’s Mike Florio that Eastern Washington running back Taiwan Jones ran a 4.33 forty time at his individual Pro Day Thursday.

NFL scouts routinely add time to Pro Day forty-yard dashes based on perceived speed of surface. It’s still an impressive number, and will generate plenty of attention around the league.

The source also tells Florio that 25 teams were represented at the workout.

Per various other reports, Jones posted an 11-foot broad jump and 39 1/2-inch vertical. So his explosiveness doesn’t just show up in a straight line on the track.

Jones is now a projected second- to third-round pick.

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hawaiiansteel
04-14-2011, 04:04 PM
Would The Steelers Draft Mark Ingram If He Falls To Them?


The latest buzz making the circuit on the internet is the stock drop of Alabama running back Mark Ingram. Ingram's drop reportedly is because of the long-term stability of Ingram’s knee and the fear that he may develop degenerative arthritis. The former Heisman Trophy winner underwent arthroscopic surgery on his left knee late last August after injuring it in practice. Ingram missed just two games following the surgery and went on to rush for 875 yards on 158 carries for the Crimson Tide. He also chipped in 21 catches for another 282 yards and scored 14 touchdowns in the process.

Another red flag on Ingram is the news today by Adam Schefter that Ingram has switched agents and has now hired Joel Segal to represent him. This could be perceived as a move to get better representation to help brush the knee issue to the side prior to the draft. Had Ingram switched representation right after the NFL Combine, it likely wouldn't have been such a big deal as it is closer to draft day.

So how does this now involve the Steelers? The Ingram drop, if it continues, could mean that he drops all the way down to the bottom of round one where the Steelers are scheduled to pick 31st overall. Two weeks ago Ingram looked poised to easily be drafted no later than 20th overall as he was considered the top running back in the draft, albeit one not loaded with running back talent. Even before his slide started down the board the Steelers look like they are poised to draft a running back later in the draft to compete with 2010 draft pick Jonathan Dwyer. According to reports, the Steelers appear to be interested in Da'rel Scott, Taiwan Jones, Noel Devine and local Pitt product Dion Lewis. Scott and Dion Lewis have made their pre draft visits to Pittsburgh already and Taiwan Jones is reportedly scheduled to visit if he hasn't already.

As far as the Steelers running back position goes, starting running back Rashard Mendenhall had a productive 2010 season and is under contract through the 2012 and hasn't shown any signs that the work load has had an affect on him. Change of pace back Mewelde Moore is an unrestricted free agent and might not be re-signed. Isaac Redman really turned the corner in 2010 and appears to now be a well rounded running back although he received very limited touches in 2010. Dwyer has looked great carrying the ball late in preseason and on his few carries he received against the Browns in week 17, but his in-game recognition and blitz pick-up needs drastic improvement. The position could use some depth and competition at the bottom of the depth chart, but isn’t really what I would call a position of need, especially not early in the draft.

I mentioned position value yesterday in my article on Kevin Colbert as it relates to his first round draft picks since taking over in 2000 and even included a few names of some players that might be enticing to Colbert late in this year’s draft. I did not mention Ingram in the article as I really have not paid that much attention to the Ingram slide until today. There are already a few updated mock drafts floating around that have the Steelers selecting Ingram at 31. Assuming the knee checks out, it is hard to argue about the positional value Ingram offers in relation to the running back position. The question then would be would Colbert himself even consider drafting another running back in round 1 this soon, when the position isn't really regarded as a strong need? Then again if Ingram's knee checks out fine prior to the draft, Colbert and the Steelers brass surely would not be the only ones to know.

I have mentioned before that there is a point on a graph somewhere where value meets need in relation to drafting a player, especially in the first round of the draft. You also have to take into account risk where there are medical concerns as such is the case with Ingram. The Steelers need to address the cornerback and tackle position during the first 3 or 4 rounds of the draft and the defensive line depth could certainly use some attention as well. Colbert loves value, but usually has somewhat of a need when drafting a player in round 1. In this case I am just not seeing it, especially with the red flags associated with the said value of Ingram. If those red flags are real, you really aren't getting the value though. It is the chicken or the egg question of drafting I suppose.

Two weeks from tonight I am willing to bet Ingram is off the board when the Steelers pick and if not, they should let the Packers worry about the value of Ingram as it relates to need. Should Ingram go on to have an All-Pro career, the decision to pass him up will always be second guessed. I think Colbert and Company are fine with that and so am I. I do not think Ingram will be drafted by the Steelers no matter how far he slides.

POSTED BY DAVE BRYAN ON THURSDAY, APRIL 14, 2011

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Shawn
04-14-2011, 07:40 PM
I know Taiwan would be a luxury in the second round but the guy has all the makings of a game changer. If we don't grab Taiwan, I want Noel Devine.

Oviedo
04-15-2011, 09:22 AM
I'll be very surprised if we draft a RB any sooner than the 5th after reading the article about Ben and Bruce wanting to pass more. I think we'll look to pick up a taller, large frame WR and possibly another TE first. Plus, we still don't know for sure what the kid we drafted last year can do at RB, he's a big frame guy who could come in to ice games if he pans out. We'll see.

:Agree No RB before Round 5!!!!!

ramblinjim
04-15-2011, 12:05 PM
some guy had us taking Ingram in the first in his mock draft and I threw up in my mouth a little bit when I read it. I agree with a fifth rounder.

Dee Dub
04-15-2011, 02:02 PM
I know Taiwan would be a luxury in the second round but the guy has all the makings of a game changer. If we don't grab Taiwan, I want Noel Devine.

So you want a situational back? A 3rd specialist? Not really a viable lead back? Not one who can give Mendenhall a breather and carry the load for any real length of time? The Steelers already have a descent 3rd down back in Mewelde Moore. Noel Divine will not be more than a 3rd down specialist for the Steelers. What Taiwan Jones will give you, Noel Divine wont. Makes no sense.

RuthlessBurgher
04-15-2011, 02:22 PM
Taiwan Jones not only has durability issues, but he has 17 fumbles in two seasons at running back. SEVENTEEN FUMBLES!?!?! I don't care that he ran a 4.33 at his Pro Day. If getting hit by Division I-AA competition results in that many fumbles, just wait until he gets hit by NFL beasts.


A relative unknown prior to "Draft Season," Eastern Washington running back Taiwan Jones has not only established himself as a potential middle-round pick, but one of the biggest sleepers in the entire 2011 draft class.

Jones demolished I-AA competition, rushing for 1,742 yards and 12 touchdowns in 2010. But to top it all off, he reportedly ran a 4.33 40 at his pro day which is sure to catapult his draft stock. Jones seems like he would be a great fit for the Dolphins, but he has severe fumble issues (17 fumbles in two years) and durability issues—two things that could easily destroy his NFL prospectus.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/666117-2011-nfl-draft-10-propsects-that-could-bring-some-much-needed-speed-to-miami#/articles/666117-2011-nfl-draft-10-propsects-that-could-bring-some-much-needed-speed-to-miami/page/6

Shawn
04-15-2011, 04:40 PM
I know Taiwan would be a luxury in the second round but the guy has all the makings of a game changer. If we don't grab Taiwan, I want Noel Devine.

So you want a situational back? A 3rd specialist? Not really a viable lead back? Not one who can give Mendenhall a breather and carry the load for any real length of time? The Steelers already have a descent 3rd down back in Mewelde Moore. Noel Divine will not be more than a 3rd down specialist for the Steelers. What Taiwan Jones will give you, Noel Divine wont. Makes no sense.

I want Taiwan yes, but situational back? Taiwan is a change of pace back, lightning to Mendhall's thunder. What would be the reason Taiwan couldn't get 10-12 touches a game?

As for Devine, anytime you can get a superb playmaker in the 5th or later...you have really found value. To compare Devine to Moore is unfair to both players as they are nothing alike. I see Devine as a true specialist, return man, slot WR (as he is a fantastic WR), and as a running back. Moore can actually block, is not nearly as quick as Devine but runs with more authority. Devine could never be a third down back. He is like you said a true specialist. A spark, but also a guy you will get in the 5th or later.

Dee Dub
04-15-2011, 05:20 PM
I know Taiwan would be a luxury in the second round but the guy has all the makings of a game changer. If we don't grab Taiwan, I want Noel Devine.

So you want a situational back? A 3rd specialist? Not really a viable lead back? Not one who can give Mendenhall a breather and carry the load for any real length of time? The Steelers already have a descent 3rd down back in Mewelde Moore. Noel Divine will not be more than a 3rd down specialist for the Steelers. What Taiwan Jones will give you, Noel Divine wont. Makes no sense.

I want Taiwan yes, but situational back? Taiwan is a change of pace back, lightning to Mendhall's thunder. What would be the reason Taiwan couldn't get 10-12 touches a game?

As for Devine, anytime you can get a superb playmaker in the 5th or later...you have really found value. To compare Devine to Moore is unfair to both players as they are nothing alike. I see Devine as a true specialist, return man, slot WR (as he is a fantastic WR), and as a running back. Moore can actually block, is not nearly as quick as Devine but runs with more authority. Devine could never be a third down back. He is like you said a true specialist. A spark, but also a guy you will get in the 5th or later.

I didnt say Taiwan Jones was a situational back...I said Noel Divine is. And no thanks. I'd rather have Dion Lewis or Jaquizz Rodgers who both ,if needed, could actually carry the load for longer than 3rd down.

Shawn
04-15-2011, 10:07 PM
[quote=Shawn]I know Taiwan would be a luxury in the second round but the guy has all the makings of a game changer. If we don't grab Taiwan, I want Noel Devine.

So you want a situational back? A 3rd specialist? Not really a viable lead back? Not one who can give Mendenhall a breather and carry the load for any real length of time? The Steelers already have a descent 3rd down back in Mewelde Moore. Noel Divine will not be more than a 3rd down specialist for the Steelers. What Taiwan Jones will give you, Noel Divine wont. Makes no sense.

I want Taiwan yes, but situational back? Taiwan is a change of pace back, lightning to Mendhall's thunder. What would be the reason Taiwan couldn't get 10-12 touches a game?

As for Devine, anytime you can get a superb playmaker in the 5th or later...you have really found value. To compare Devine to Moore is unfair to both players as they are nothing alike. I see Devine as a true specialist, return man, slot WR (as he is a fantastic WR), and as a running back. Moore can actually block, is not nearly as quick as Devine but runs with more authority. Devine could never be a third down back. He is like you said a true specialist. A spark, but also a guy you will get in the 5th or later.

I didnt say Taiwan Jones was a situational back...I said Noel Divine is. And no thanks. I'd rather have Dion Lewis or Jaquizz Rodgers who both ,if needed, could actually carry the load for longer than 3rd down.[/quote:n2mg1ogr]

I suppose that is where we would disagree. I believe we have a couple pretty good backs behind Mendenhall. Redman has proven to be solid and Dwyer has much potential. I am ok with those guys backing up Mendy. I don't even really believe we need another RB. So, if we do select one, I want a guy who is Devine quick. Lining Devine in the slot could be fierce. Can you imagine covering a guy that quick on the under routes...and Wallace Sanders stretching the field?

BradshawsHairdresser
04-16-2011, 04:01 PM
I thought you guys thought Dwyer was the second coming???

We have many greater needs than at RB. I agree with the OP...we don't need to be taking any RB's before the fifth round.

hawaiiansteel
04-16-2011, 10:06 PM
The latest buzz we are hearing throughout the NFL draft landscape

Wes Bunting
APRIL 16, 2011


• Auburn running back Mario Fannin is generating a lot of interest as a potential later round, third-down type back. Teams love his ability to help out in blitz pick-up and catch the football out of the backfield. Hearing he’s getting long looks from the Patriots, Redskins, Steelers, Dolphins and Bengals.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL ... -7383.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-draft-rumors-7383.html)

Shawn
04-16-2011, 10:35 PM
I thought you guys thought Dwyer was the second coming???

We have many greater needs than at RB. I agree with the OP...we don't need to be taking any RB's before the fifth round.

You base your evaluation of Dwyer on what?

BradshawsHairdresser
04-17-2011, 06:38 PM
I thought you guys thought Dwyer was the second coming???

We have many greater needs than at RB. I agree with the OP...we don't need to be taking any RB's before the fifth round.

You base your evaluation of Dwyer on what?

On the fact that the team decided to keep him on the final roster. He's good enough for "depth." Look, we have Mendenhall and Redman, and probably could re-up Moore for another round. If we can't sign Moore, then it shouldn't be too much problem to pick up a decent low-level FA for "depth."

Meanwhile, we need serious help at CB, FS, and OG; we are going to need replacements soon at DT, DE, ILB and OT. But go ahead, spend a high pick on a RB. Shoot, draft a couple of them. While you're at it, why not spend two or three picks to try to snag that pass-catching TE everyone is talking about.

Chadman
04-17-2011, 10:10 PM
As far as back-up/3rd down RB's go, if Mewelde Moore proves to be too expensive/not effective enough- Chadman is quite happy to roll with a used Cadillac...


Just sayin'...

http://www.mkrob.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/cadillac.jpg

Then you can use your draft picks to pick up the extra 5 TE's Bradshaw's Hairdresser would love to see...

hawaiiansteel
06-17-2011, 09:51 PM
Sources: Saints allowed Bush to gauge interest

By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports
June 17, 2011

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Reggie Bush has not lived up to the lofty expectations.
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The New Orleans Saints gave running back Reggie Bush permission in February to talk to other teams and gauge his value as the franchise and Bush tried to work out a restructured contract, according to three NFL sources.

Bush and agent Joel Segal were told that a number of teams would be interested in paying him handsomely, or at least more than the Saints have apparently been willing to offer at this point. That is one of the reasons that Bush has made contradictory statements about his future in New Orleans and didn’t participate in offseason workouts with Saints players. The expectation from Bush, according to the sources, is that he will be playing for another team next season.

The Saints did not respond to two emails requesting comment.

Among the most likely candidates for Bush’s services, according to one of the sources, are the Miami Dolphins, Pittsburgh Steelers, Seattle Seahawks and the New York Giants. Miami and Pittsburgh are looking to add speed on offense. Seattle is coached by Pete Carroll, Bush’s former coach at USC. The Giants’ interest would depend on whether the team is able to keep running back Ahmad Bradshaw once free agency starts.

In addition, the Philadelphia Eagles have expressed strong interest in Bush. However, Bush is unlikely to sign there because of concerns about having a potentially limited role.

The Eagles already have explosive wide receivers DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin, a starting running back in LeSean McCoy and drafted speedy running back Dion Lewis in April’s NFL draft.

Bush said in January that his future with the team would likely depend on whether he and the team could work out a new deal. Bush is scheduled to make an $11.8 million base salary in 2011. It’s believed that the Saints want to cut his salary by more than half.

Over the past two seasons, Bush, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2006 draft, has become a role player. He has missed 10 games because of injury and been limited to only 106 carries and 81 receptions in the regular season. He has scored a total of nine rushing and receiving touchdowns, but remains an explosive player.

However, the Saints appear set on getting back to a more conventional running game that was part of their run to a Super Bowl title in 2009. The team selected running back Mark Ingram in the first round of this year’s draft. Ingram is a more prototypical, bell-cow running back.

After the Saints drafted Ingram, Bush wrote via Twitter, “It’s been fun New Orleans.” Bush then later made an effort to be polite and backtracked a little, saying he hoped to end his career as a Saint.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=j ... est_061711 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_bush_allowed_to_gauge_interest_061711)

Snatch98
06-18-2011, 12:44 PM
Sign me up. I said before I'd take Bush in a second for the right price. He'd be DYNAMIC with Ben under center and some improvisation.

Oviedo
06-18-2011, 04:16 PM
Sign me up. I said before I'd take Bush in a second for the right price. He'd be DYNAMIC with Ben under center and some improvisation.

Bush would be an intriguing addition but highly unlikely since someone will way overpay for him. Miami is more desperate than we are at RB and they probably have lots more cap space.

Snatch98
06-18-2011, 08:05 PM
Sign me up. I said before I'd take Bush in a second for the right price. He'd be DYNAMIC with Ben under center and some improvisation.

Bush would be an intriguing addition but highly unlikely since someone will way overpay for him. Miami is more desperate than we are at RB and they probably have lots more cap space.


I don't believe anyone is going to over pay for him as he's proven NOT to be a every down type. I think you'll see Bush factor in winning and that may remove Miami from the equation. Either way if we're interested in him AT ALL it means he must not be asking for the sun and the moon. It's obviously not our style to overpay our own players, let alone free agents.

ikestops85
06-20-2011, 01:13 PM
I think Bush would obviously improve our stable of running backs but if he wants starter money then I think it's a no go. The guy is a great 3rd down specialist and a great punt returner but he is injury prone and would never be the every down back.

Just like everyone else if the money is right I'd love to have him but the chances of that happening are very slim. Besides, I am very happy with the backs we currently have and if Batch comes in and shows he can take over MM's role all the better.

Oviedo
06-20-2011, 01:31 PM
I think Bush would obviously improve our stable of running backs but if he wants starter money then I think it's a no go. The guy is a great 3rd down specialist and a great punt returner but he is injury prone and would never be the every down back.

Just like everyone else if the money is right I'd love to have him but the chances of that happening are very slim. Besides, I am very happy with the backs we currently have and if Batch comes in and shows he can take over MM's role all the better.

I think Batch's chances of contributing this season are the collateral damage of the lockout. No contact with the team, no OTAs, etc. are just too big a hill to get up in the few weeks that there is likely to be for training camp.

I'd also add that these off season workouts were going to be really important for Dwyer too. It is usually these second set of OTAs that a young player establishes himself as a legitimate option. Obviously he is also missing out on those and IMO it will hurt him.

Because of the above two factors I could really see us going after a veteran RB.

grotonsteel
06-21-2011, 02:16 AM
I would not mind Reggie Bush if he is willing to take a pay cut.

What about Panthers RB DeAngelo Williams?

hawaiiansteel
07-18-2011, 01:58 AM
NFA Noise: Pittsburgh Steelers Should Shop for a Third-Down Back

Friday, July 15, 2011
By Seth Austin

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The Steelers rushing offense appears to be firmly (questionable word choice) in Rashard Mendenhall's hands. Isaac Redman seems to have won over Mike Tomlin and offensive coordinator Bruce Arians' trust for short yardage and red zone situations.

What the Steelers could use is a viable third-down back that can put pressure on defenses with screen and draw capabilities as well as an ability to come out of the backfield as a receiver.

Mewelde Moore has been that guy for Pittsburgh over the past three seasons racking up 203 receptions and 1,771 yards. But Moore's time has to be up with the Steelers.

This year's free agent market for running backs will give the Steelers an opportunity to go out and get a player to fit the team mold.

The Bottom Line

A player that can make an immediate impact in the passing game on third downs would be Darren Sproles.

It looks like Sproles is being ousted in San Diego by Ryan Matthews and Mike Tolbert, and might want more of a chance at being a tandem starter in the league. But if he's willing to be the Steelers third-down back, his speed and receiving ability would make him a playmaker in Arians' offense. Not to mention, he would be a supreme return man.

Another route the Steelers could take would be signing Falcons free agent running back/fullback Jason Snelling.

Snelling had 82 receptions over his tenure with Atlanta, and while he doesn't give you the speed Sproles could, he gives you the blocking skills and toughness to gain extra yards. His only problem is that he's more of a fullback and won't fit very well into the multitude of Steelers one back sets. Usually Arians relies on tight ends like Heath Miller and David Johnson as H-backs when he needs a blocker.

Other viable options for the Steelers include Jerome Harrison, who proved he can catch it out of the backfield in his brief stint as a Browns starter, Jerious Norwood, who could even take some snaps as an every down back to give Mendenhall a breather or a veteran player like Kevin Faulk who has made a living catching passes from Tom Brady.

Any of the aforementioned backs would be great additions to the Steelers. If none are available for Pittsburgh to sign, Mewelde Moore could find his way back to Pittsburgh. The Steelers would be able to re-sign him at a low value and keep a player who has been a solid option over the last few years.

If the Steelers can nab a dangerous third-down back, opposing defenses will be forced to deal with mismatches from an already potent offense.

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aggiebones
07-18-2011, 12:13 PM
It makes total sense to keep Moore.
We don't have anyone else with his skill set. Like hi or not, he knows his way around and there's noone else we are going to spend money on for 5-8 touches a game. Redman does very well and is very productive on his touches, so you up his.
Try and put Batch on the PS if possible and give him the job next year. Give Moore 1 one year's salary. He's not got any other suitors giving him a big long contract. He might as well stay where he is familiar too. And have a shot at a SB.
One more year makes sense, then go with Batch if he proves worthy.

Oviedo
07-18-2011, 03:31 PM
It makes total sense to keep Moore.
We don't have anyone else with his skill set. Like hi or not, he knows his way around and there's noone else we are going to spend money on for 5-8 touches a game. Redman does very well and is very productive on his touches, so you up his.
Try and put Batch on the PS if possible and give him the job next year. Give Moore 1 one year's salary. He's not got any other suitors giving him a big long contract. He might as well stay where he is familiar too. And have a shot at a SB.
One more year makes sense, then go with Batch if he proves worthy.

Moore greatest value to the team is his knowledge of the playbook. The elimination of this year's OTAs have pretty much doomed any chances that batch has and has made it difficult for even a veteran coming in.

The wildcard is if Dwyer comes in ready to play and motivated.