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flippy
03-15-2011, 08:51 PM
So the union had to decertify in order to sue the NFL over antitrust violations. But multiple players joined together to sue the NFL. Aren't they still acting like a collective union and is this case completely invalid because of it?

Who's paying the lawyers representing multiple players?

Why didn't Tom Brady sue the NFL on his own if the NFLPA was truly decertified?

How is the NFLPA telling potential draft picks what to do if it doesn't even exist?

Can Demarcus Smith even talk to players now? Does his talking to current and potential players violate players ability to sue the NFL?

Can DirectTV, Sirius, and the Networks sue the NFL and individual players for messing up their collective businesses?

Could investors in these businesses that rely on the NFL sue the NFL and its players?

How about fans/season ticket holders?

I have to admit it would be kinda cool if everyone sued the NFL and its players right now.

Also got me wondering if agents can now talk to college kids and sign them to contracts since the NFL is in limbo?

Can they sign up high school players?

Can NFL sponsors sue the NFL? Like Budweiser

How bout companies that have naming rights on stadiums like Heinz?

How bout the airlines who will have less traffic?

How bout PlanetSteelers since we don't have anything to talk about?

Sue the NFL! It's your civic duty!

Join Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and the others in suing the NFL.

But also sue those guys too.

calmkiller
03-15-2011, 08:54 PM
I would like to sue the NFLPA* but it doesn't exist anymore....right?

Northern_Blitz
03-16-2011, 04:26 PM
NFLPA still exists I think. Decertification only means they can't negotiate for the players. I don't get the distiction since each player has an agent who negotiates his contract anyway. But, I also don't get how pro-sports even have unions when contracts are negotiated individually and not collectively (except rookie scale for NBA).

The question I have about the suit is how can they sue the league for rules that they (through the NFLPA) agreed to? It's a contract that was agreed to by the players at the time. I don't get how they can now say it's not OK when they already agreed to it.

flippy
03-16-2011, 06:19 PM
NFLPA still exists I think. Decertification only means they can't negotiate for the players. I don't get the distiction since each player has an agent who negotiates his contract anyway. But, I also don't get how pro-sports even have unions when contracts are negotiated individually and not collectively (except rookie scale for NBA).


What if the owners collectively decided to pay all players the same since they are in unions? Could they break the union that way?

Lets say every QB that's been in the league X years gets $Y Million. There could be an exact payout based on position and years of service. And the players can have the % revenue share they want. But the highest paid players get screwed because they won't make as much money.

But the 33rd man on the roster will get paid significantly better.

Wonder how this would go over? If you want to unionize as players, we'll negotiate with you as a union instead of doing individual contracts.

The owners could play really dirty if they wanted.

hawaiiansteel
03-18-2011, 07:41 PM
Brady v. NFL: a primer

Readers' guide to lawsuit

by Andrew Brandt
MARCH 18, 2011


Before we return to the “he said/she said” phase of the NFL labor dispute, I thought I would focus on what is actually in front of us as the reality of the NFL right now. Thus, here is a primer on the case of Brady v. NFL, a case whose eventual settlement will be the basis for the next Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) in the NFL.

Why are the Players (Brady, etc.) able to sue?

Since the NFL Players Association (NFLPA) has decertified and relinquished their role as the collective bargaining representative of NFL Players, NFL players are now a non-unionized workforce. As such, they can now argue that certain conduct of the NFL that is blessed in labor law -- through the presence of a union and collectively bargained agreements -- is now illegal under antitrust law. Players claim that the 32 individual franchises conspire by implementing these rules. Since the bargaining relationship with the NFLPA has ended, the NFL is no longer immune to antitrust scrutiny, and players are now able to bring lawsuits against the NFL.

Who are the plaintiffs?

Besides Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees, the named plaintiffs are: Vincent Jackson, Ben Leber, Logan Mankins, Brian Robison, Osi Umenyiora, Mike Vrabel, and Von Miller. Beyond that, this is a class action lawsuit, meaning the aforementioned players are representing essentially all NFL players as well as those eligible to become NFL players. The named plaintiffs also represent different categories of players such as recently signed (Brady), restricted by the events of the past year (Jackson, Mankins), having one year remaining on their contract (Brees), playing under a franchise tag (Manning), a free agent (Leber) and an incoming rookie (Miller).

What do the Players want?

The Players are requesting:

An injunction to stop the NFL lockout and force teams to open their facilities to players and transact business;
Restraints on their earning ability (lockout, draft, salary cap, franchise/transition tag) declared illegal;
Players currently under contract to be immediately paid;
Treble (triple) damages for all players due to these restraints, as well as costs and attorneys fees.
A declaration that the NFL has waived its right to assert any “sham” defense – meaning that the NFL cannot contest the NFLPA’s decertification as illegitimate.

What do the Players really want?

A better CBA than they were offered in bargaining. Players think they can procure better terms through litigation than the NFL offered at the bargaining table, as was the case in 1993 in the Reggie White v. NFL class-action lawsuit.

Do the Players have a good claim? What is their likelihood of success?

If this case ever gets to court – which I think it will not -- the Players will have good arguments but may have trouble countering the NFL’s “competitive balance” justification. All the restraints – salary cap, player draft, franchise tags – serve to even the field, leading to a higher-quality product, increasing fan interest, and driving up the NFL’s profitability (of which the Players share a portion). Also, in American Needle v. NFL the U.S. Supreme Court hinted that competitive balance provides a proper justification in antitrust litigation.

Will Judge Nelson have responsibility over this case?

Yes. However, Judge Nelson is far from the end of the line. Regardless of the outcome, either party may appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit, where a randomly selected panel of three judges would then hear the case. The determination of the Eighth Circuit is then appealable to the U.S. Supreme Court.?

What is the NLRB and how are they involved?

The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) has both an investigatory department and an adjudicatory department made up of 40 Administrative Law Judges (ALJs) that hear and decide cases. On February 14th the NFL filed an unfair labor practice claim with the NLRB alleging that the NFLPA had engaged in “surface bargaining” and failed to deal in good faith.

The NFL is arguing that the NFLPA's decertification is not legitimate and that they had long planned to dissolve and file an antitrust suit, pointing to the NFLPA’s autumn decertification tour to all 32 teams as evidence. The Players argue that the NFL’s claim of a "sham" decertification is waived by language in the Settlement and Stipulation Agreement (SSA) from the prior CBA.

This is where it gets complicated. Both the CBA and SSA provisions state that the waiver of the "sham" defense is only “after the expiration” of the CBA. Since the NFL filed the claim three weeks prior to the expiration of the CBA, it seems as though the waiver may not apply. Nevertheless, reasonable minds may differ, and this language is subject to disputed interpretations by the NFL and the Players.

If the NLRB agrees with the NFL’s position, an NLRB ALJ will hear the matter. The losing party may appeal this decision to the NLRB’s Board – five members appointed by the President. The NLRB Board’s order is appealable to a U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, whose judgment may be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

What is the key to the April 6th Preliminary Injunction hearing?

The Players will have to show “immediate and irreparable harm” from the lockout, arguing that every opportunity to be at the team’s facility is necessary to their short careers in football.

If the Player’s successfully prove the harm, the lockout will be lifted while the antitrust litigation proceeds. The NFL would then most likely impose 2010 rules for its business (no salary cap, six years to unrestricted free agency, 30% rule, franchise and transition tags, etc).

And is the television “lockout insurance” case still ongoing?

Yes. Judge David Doty will determine the appropriate remedies to be issued to the NFLPA. With their ongoing themes of transparency, the NFLPA has asked to publicly release all of the documents involved in this case. In response, the NFL argues that these documents are confidential and should be kept sealed, although they have provided redacted (edited) versions.

Is there a timeline for this mess to get sorted out?

Litigation can be and often is a painfully prolonged process. This lawsuit’s precursor, White v. NFL, took years before a settlement was reached. A ruling on the Players’ motion for preliminary injunction will come soon after April 6. If the preliminary injunction is granted, it is likely that NFL operations will resume just in time for the NFL Draft.

Meanwhile, both sides will continue the rhetoric and spin that have characterized this relationship, save for a few days of mediator-imposed silence a couple of weeks ago.

Again, welcome to the brave new world of Courtroom football!

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