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Oviedo
03-02-2011, 12:46 PM
It would be a great return for one of my all time favorites. Hopefully he has the skills.


Steelers interview Carnell Lake for secondary coach job
Wednesday, March 02, 2011
Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Steelers might be reaching back into their past to hire a secondary coach to replace Ray Horton.

Former safety Carnell Lake, a five-time Pro Bowl selection who played 10 seasons with the Steelers, is at the team's South Side facility today to interview for that position with Coach Mike Tomlin.

Lake is one of the team's all-time best safeties, recording 16 interceptions, 17 fumble recoveries and 25 sacks from 1989 to 1998. He also had five defensive touchdowns.

Lake was a secondary coach at his alma mater, UCLA, in 2009, but resigned after one season because of family reasons.

Horton left after the Super Bowl to become defensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals.


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11061/11 ... z1FSfbD6t2 (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11061/1129061-66.stm#ixzz1FSfbD6t2)

SteelStallion
03-02-2011, 01:07 PM
I was just talking to someone recently about how here we are with deep issues at secondary and Rod Woodson gets a DB coach gig with the ...Raiders???????
Lake might be great. He has real coaching experience and received accolades for his work with UCLA.

SteelBucks
03-02-2011, 01:07 PM
It would be a great return for one of my all time favorites. Hopefully he has the skills.



:Agree

RuthlessBurgher
03-02-2011, 01:24 PM
Rahim Moore had 10 interceptions in 2009 with Carnell Lake as his secondary coach at UCLA. Moore had 1 interception in 2010 after Lake left the program.

http://www.insidesocal.com/ucla/assets_c/2009/11/IMG_0554-thumb-300x267-34251.jpg http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ucla/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/4504734.jpeg

steeler_george
03-02-2011, 02:02 PM
hire him already....

BradshawsHairdresser
03-02-2011, 02:23 PM
Rahim Moore had 10 interceptions in 2009 with Carnell Lake as his secondary coach at UCLA. Moore had 1 interception in 2010 after Lake left the program.



If we hire Lake, could it be a clue that we are going to draft Moore?

Oviedo
03-02-2011, 02:45 PM
Rahim Moore had 10 interceptions in 2009 with Carnell Lake as his secondary coach at UCLA. Moore had 1 interception in 2010 after Lake left the program.



If we hire Lake, could it be a clue that we are going to draft Moore?

Not sure a 4.57 40 at the Combine helps Moore's chances.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-02-2011, 03:03 PM
Three Seven BABY!!!

ScoreKeeper
03-02-2011, 03:13 PM
Rahim Moore had 10 interceptions in 2009 with Carnell Lake as his secondary coach at UCLA. Moore had 1 interception in 2010 after Lake left the program.



If we hire Lake, could it be a clue that we are going to draft Moore?

Not sure a 4.57 40 at the Combine helps Moore's chances.
No offense, but the 40 is so over-rated. That is straight line speed, not football speed.

As for Lake; I loved him and would love to see him here as a coach.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-02-2011, 03:40 PM
Rahim Moore had 10 interceptions in 2009 with Carnell Lake as his secondary coach at UCLA. Moore had 1 interception in 2010 after Lake left the program.



If we hire Lake, could it be a clue that we are going to draft Moore?

Not sure a 4.57 40 at the Combine helps Moore's chances.
No offense, but the 40 is so over-rated. That is straight line speed, not football speed.

As for Lake; I loved him and would love to see him here as a coach.

You do have to take more into account than 40. They have shown how the simple training of running the 40 from a track standpoint can have a tenth impact. It's a gauge but looking at the shuttle and cone times are also helpful. One of the biggest is the position drills to see how fluid they are. See them in their backpedal, how the can flip there hips and turn to run, locate the ball in flight, and of course track it down and catch it. Also, response drills where they make direction changes based on the coach running the drill and how they close. All useful...But you have to show up on tape. That's #1. Moore shows up on tape. Not the best S to come out in past years but clearly one of the top 2.

That all being said, to comment of his combine workout. Would have like to see him be no higher than the 4.5 range. Not bad but didn't help. 11 on the bench is a concern in the immediate term. Broad & vertical shows some explosion in his legs. Shuttle & cone "respectable" for a S. Nice size hands to catch ball. Probably don't want him in the box with those short arms and weak upper body because he might struggle getting off blocks by WRs, RBs, or TEs so FS is his better position. If he ran low 4.5's and put up around 20 on the bench and had his cones better than 6.7, I would say he might have had a shot in the end of 1st. I think he positioned himself to come off no later than the top 15 picks of the 2nd.




Moore, Rahim DB35 FS UCLA 5116 202 30 1/4 9 5/8 4.62 11 35.0 9'7" 3.96 6.98

Shawn
03-02-2011, 06:03 PM
Rahim Moore had 10 interceptions in 2009 with Carnell Lake as his secondary coach at UCLA. Moore had 1 interception in 2010 after Lake left the program.

http://www.insidesocal.com/ucla/assets_c/2009/11/IMG_0554-thumb-300x267-34251.jpg http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ucla/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/4504734.jpeg

Exactly what I was thinking. I remembered reading that the other day. I welcome Lake, and think he would make a great addition.

flippy
03-02-2011, 07:35 PM
So Ike should have 20 ints if we hire CLake

phillyesq
03-02-2011, 08:00 PM
It would be a great return for one of my all time favorites. Hopefully he has the skills.



:Agree

:Agree

I always liked Lake. I'll support this hiring purely for nostalgic reasons, and I hope that he'll be a good coach.

I was unaware of his coaching track record, but that's a good start. I would think his versatility as a player should also help him as a coach.

SteelCrazy
03-02-2011, 08:17 PM
I like Lake. He was talented. I really would have liked to have gotten Deshea Townsend. He was average but played above average because he was smart. I just hope the secondary improves......

Dee Dub
03-02-2011, 09:07 PM
Rahim Moore had 10 interceptions in 2009 with Carnell Lake as his secondary coach at UCLA. Moore had 1 interception in 2010 after Lake left the program.

http://www.insidesocal.com/ucla/assets_c/2009/11/IMG_0554-thumb-300x267-34251.jpg http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ucla/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/4504734.jpeg

So the fact that Moore had 1 INT after Lake left had something to do with it?

Not hardly. But I am sure he will tell the Steers if hired that Moore is one terrific cover safety/ball hawk.

Dee Dub
03-02-2011, 09:09 PM
Rahim Moore had 10 interceptions in 2009 with Carnell Lake as his secondary coach at UCLA. Moore had 1 interception in 2010 after Lake left the program.



If we hire Lake, could it be a clue that we are going to draft Moore?

Not sure a 4.57 40 at the Combine helps Moore's chances.

How important is a straight line 40 for a free safety? Not that that important at all. But hey...if you want to think that discounts him as a player have at it.

Chadman
03-02-2011, 09:19 PM
Couldn't we just dust of Carnell & insert him at FS?

:D

PSU_dropout43
03-02-2011, 09:22 PM
Rahim Moore
Height: 6000
Weight: 202
40 Yrd Dash: 4.62
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash:
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 11
Vertical Jump: 35
Broad Jump: 9'7"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.96
3-Cone Drill: 6.98
Arm: 30 1/4
Hand: 9 5/8

hawaiiansteel
03-02-2011, 09:27 PM
Rahim Moore
Height: 6000
Weight: 202
40 Yrd Dash: 4.62
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash:
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 11
Vertical Jump: 35
Broad Jump: 9'7"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.96
3-Cone Drill: 6.98
Arm: 30 1/4
Hand: 9 5/8


a 4.62 40 yard dash won't get you drafted in the first round...not as a DB.

rpmpit
03-02-2011, 09:33 PM
Carnell always reminded me of GI Joe Roadblock

http://cdn1.iofferphoto.com/img/item/144/208/191/3PcU6V56vTPT62J.jpg

pittpete
03-02-2011, 09:57 PM
No offense, but the 40 is so over-rated. That is straight line speed, not football speed.

As for Lake; I loved him and would love to see him here as a coach.

ditto

Flasteel
03-02-2011, 10:22 PM
There sure are quite a few guys from that 1995 Super Bowl defense that have gone on to coaching. Off the top of my head:
Kevin Greene
Rod Woodson
Darren Perry
Carnell Lake
Jerry Olsavsky

Maybe Dick LeBeau, John Mitchell, Marvin Lewis and the rest of our coaches were just that influential?

D Rock
03-03-2011, 12:29 AM
There sure are quite a few guys from that 1995 Super Bowl defense that have gone on to coaching. Off the top of my head:
Kevin Greene
Rod Woodson
Darren Perry
Carnell Lake
Jerry Olsavsky

Maybe Dick LeBeau, John Mitchell, Marvin Lewis and the rest of our coaches were just that influential?


Also Jonathan Hayes (TE)

BradshawsHairdresser
03-03-2011, 12:47 AM
There sure are quite a few guys from that 1995 Super Bowl defense that have gone on to coaching. Off the top of my head:
Kevin Greene
Rod Woodson
Darren Perry
Carnell Lake
Jerry Olsavsky

Maybe Dick LeBeau, John Mitchell, Marvin Lewis and the rest of our coaches were just that influential?


Also Jonathan Hayes (TE)

Wasn't Greg Lloyd involved in coaching (inbetween assaults)?

hawaiiansteel
03-03-2011, 02:03 AM
Wasn't Greg Lloyd involved in coaching (inbetween assaults)?


I didn't know this... :wft



For Lloyd II, comparison to dad ends at name

By Frank Tadych
Published: February 28th, 2011

http://nfldotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/lb_15_110228_blog.jpg?w=585&h=437

Greg Lloyd II, the son of ex-Steelers LB Greg Lloyd Sr., is a prospect from Connecticut. (Ben Liebenberg/NFL)

INDIANAPOLIS ó Most of the 330 hopefuls at the NFL Scouting Combine have some type of story to tell. But only one of them has a father who was a five-time Pro Bowl player.

The Greg Lloyd II on the combine roster is the son of former Steelers great Greg Lloyd Sr., one of the nastiest players of his era. But even though they share a name and perhaps a similar mean streak on the field, thereís little else between them. Outside of a recent visit by Greg Lloyd Sr. at the East-West Shrine Game, the two hadnít seen each other in more than two years and have no relationship, according to Lloyd II.

Thatís a fact thatís OK with the younger Lloyd, a Connecticut linebacker who couldnít have been more open or gracious in talking about a man he has no relationship with, a man who was accused of sticking a gun down his sonís mouth when he was 12 years old. Itís OK with Lloyd II because heís OK with it himself, even as heís asked by NFL teams to explain his past as they dig deep to examine the father-son relationship and the impact it has had on his life.

ďI have to explain the fact that some people, for some reason, donít know the situation, so I have to tell the story again about the history of physical abuse, why my parents divorced, and thatís why me and him donít talk,Ē Lloyd II said.

ďFor me, itís an easy thing to do, not having communication with him,Ē he added. ďGranted, he played the same sport that Iím trying to play right now. But what I tell (teams) is that even though he could be someone that I could talk to about football, thereís 1,000 other people who played the game, too, who I could talk to.Ē

Lloyd II says the relationship isnít a red flag for teams.

ďItís something that happened in the past, so I have to accept it,Ē he said. ďItís something that happened to me. So Iíve accepted it, Iíve moved on and Iíve grown from it.Ē

Lloyd II receives that question about his name often ó ďAre you the son of that Greg Lloyd?Ē ó and while heís used to it, he showed an impressive level of maturity in speaking openly on the topic. When his father came to see him play in the East-West Shrine Game, he said it was the first game the elder Lloyd had seen him play live.

As he explained, ďIt is what it is.Ē

It certainly is. And itís a credit to Lloyd II that he has become his own person, something that should be easy for NFL teams to see.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/02/28/for-gre ... s-at-name/ (http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/02/28/for-greg-lloyd-ii-comparison-to-dad-ends-at-name/)

steelblood
03-03-2011, 09:57 AM
Carnell Lake was the QB of our secondary. He was a cerebral player who also possessed great physical skill. Also, Lake played CB for several games when we were short-handed at that position. He really held his own out there and showed a deep understanding of pass coverage technique. He was a student of the game as a player and very well-spoken. This would be a great hire.

Ghost
03-03-2011, 10:05 AM
So Ike should have 20 ints if we hire CLake

Lake may be a great coach but he's not a miracle worker.

Oviedo
03-03-2011, 10:30 AM
Rahim Moore
Height: 6000
Weight: 202
40 Yrd Dash: 4.62
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash:
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 11
Vertical Jump: 35
Broad Jump: 9'7"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.96
3-Cone Drill: 6.98
Arm: 30 1/4
Hand: 9 5/8


a 4.62 40 yard dash won't get you drafted in the first round...not as a DB.

But Moore had some of the very best positional drill evaluations at the Combine. Sanders and Mayock were very effusive in their praise.

If he runs in the low to mid 4.5 range at his Pro day he is clearly a late Round 1 candidate.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
03-03-2011, 11:10 AM
Also, Lake played CB for several games when we were short-handed at that position. He really held his own out there and showed a deep understanding of pass coverage technique.

Not just a few games. Lake moved to CB in the '95 season after Woodson blew out his knee week 1. He made the PB that year as a CB. He then moved to CB a couple of other times during his Steelers career when needed - can't recall when. Not bad for a college LB.

ikestops85
03-03-2011, 11:31 AM
Carnel Lake is one of my all time Steeler favorites. He was a selfless player who willingly gave up guaranteed Pro Bowl invitations at safety when he moved to corner in several years. That he made the Pro Bowl at corner just cements his status as a great player. Note: I was disappointed that he bashed the Steelers when he left them.

However, being a great player doesn't mean squat towards his ability as a coach. Does he have more experience coaching than just the one year at UCLA? If they think he is a great coach then hire him ... if not then pass. We need someone that can teach our DBs how to play because they seem to be lacking in certain fundamentals.

Dee Dub
03-03-2011, 04:30 PM
Rahim Moore
Height: 6000
Weight: 202
40 Yrd Dash: 4.62
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash:
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 11
Vertical Jump: 35
Broad Jump: 9'7"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.96
3-Cone Drill: 6.98
Arm: 30 1/4
Hand: 9 5/8


a 4.62 40 yard dash won't get you drafted in the first round...not as a DB.

You must have missed his first run when he ran a 4.53? And I take it you missed his position drills? He was one of the best of all the DB.s Turn and go, plant, hips, rotation, back peddle, and balls skills were as good as it gets.

steelblood
03-03-2011, 05:17 PM
Also, Lake played CB for several games when we were short-handed at that position. He really held his own out there and showed a deep understanding of pass coverage technique.

Not just a few games. Lake moved to CB in the '95 season after Woodson blew out his knee week 1. He made the PB that year as a CB. He then moved to CB a couple of other times during his Steelers career when needed - can't recall when. Not bad for a college LB.

Who said a "few"? I said several. :wink: Honestly, I forgot that he played CB for that almost an entire season. But, I do remember him playing corner in multiple years as you said. I hope they hire him.