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steelerkeylargo
02-20-2011, 12:56 PM
http://thenationalfootballreport.com/20 ... y-watkins/ (http://thenationalfootballreport.com/2011/02/18/2011-nfl-draft-profile-danny-watkins/)

Snatch98
02-20-2011, 05:49 PM
http://thenationalfootballreport.com/2011/02/18/2011-nfl-draft-profile-danny-watkins/


I'd like to take a shot at this kid even though he is older but is 31 in round 2 too high? I don't think we get a shot at him at 31 in round 3. I'd go corner in round 1 and like this guy in round 2.

hawaiiansteel
02-20-2011, 06:23 PM
http://thenationalfootballreport.com/2011/02/18/2011-nfl-draft-profile-danny-watkins/


I'd like to take a shot at this kid even though he is older but is 31 in round 2 too high? I don't think we get a shot at him at 31 in round 3. I'd go corner in round 1 and like this guy in round 2.


I don't think Watkins makes it to our pick in Round 2 but if he's there and we didn't address the OL in Round 1 then I would think we seriously have to consider him...unless Marcus Cannon is still available, of course! :D

Shawn
02-20-2011, 06:45 PM
I'm big on getting the biggest bang for the buck. I don't think a guy who is 27 yo fits that bill. Spending a second rounder on a guy 5 years older than others in his position is not the best use of a pick. That's just my opinion but I like the younger guys.

hawaiiansteel
02-20-2011, 06:56 PM
I'm big on getting the biggest bang for the buck. I don't think a guy who is 27 yo fits that bill. Spending a second rounder on a guy 5 years older than others in his position is not the best use of a pick. That's just my opinion but I like the younger guys.


actually, Watkins is only 26 years old...he turns 27 in November.

however, the Steelers agree with you as they even have a tendency to draft guys like Timmons who are younger than the average players in the draft.

RuthlessBurgher
02-20-2011, 09:27 PM
I could see taking a chance on a 26 year old guy late in the draft (say Oregon DE Brandon Bair in the 6th round for instance) much more likely than taking 26 year old Watkins in the 2nd round.

hawaiiansteel
03-17-2011, 12:52 AM
Is Danny Watkins Really Too Old For The Steelers To Draft?


I had a feeling that as soon as I mentioned the Danny Watkins name as an example in my Steelers likely to draft the best player available post, I knew it would get a reaction. Steeler Nation is so afraid to see or hear the name Danny Watkins mentioned anywhere as a pick by the Steelers in a mock draft or even mentioned as a possibly first round target. Why you ask? Watkins is closing in on collecting Social Security. In the land of the 2011 draft class, Danny is Methuselah. I will have to check Wikipedia, but I am pretty sure Methuselah is his middle name. I could be wrong though.

OK, let's see exactly how old Mr. Methuselah Watkins really is and how it may or may not affect his draft status with the Steelers. First and foremost I will point out that Watkins will be 9802 days old if the 2011 season kicks off on September 8th this fall. That equates to 26 years, 10 months and 2 days on that opening Thursday NFL night. Pretty ancient for sure.

The next thing we will look at is the age of the Steelers 1st through 3rd round draft picks dating back to the 2000 draft on the first day of their rookie season. For example, Maurkice Pouncey was 8081 days old when the Saints and Vikings kicked off the 2010 season and Plaxico Burress was 8423 days old the week 1 Sunday in 2000. Get the drift? As you can see, Casey Hampton was the oldest Steelers player drafted in the first 3 rounds by the Steelers dating back to 2000. Hampton was 8772 days old when week 1 of his rookie season rolled around. Watkins would still be nearly 3 years older than that.

POS Player YEAR ROUND WEEK 1 DAYS OLD YEARS/MONTHS/DAYS

NT Casey Hampton 2001 1 8772 24 Years 0 Months 6 Days
WR Willie Reid 2006 3 8754 23 Years 11 Months 19 Days
G Kraig Urbik 2009 3 8753 23 Years 11 Months 18 Days
CB Bryant McFadden 2005 2 8692 23 Years 9 Months 18 Days
TE Matt Spaeth 2007 3 8687 23 Years 9 Months 13 Days
WR Limas Sweed 2008 2 8654 23 Years 8 Months 10 Days
G Kendall Simmons 2002 1 8579 23 Years 5 Months 25 Days
WR Emmanuel Sanders 2010 3 8577 23 Years 5 Months 23 Days
CB Keenan Lewis 2009 3 8517 23 Years 3 Months 24 Days
WR Mike Wallace 2009 3 8441 23 Years 1 Month 9 Days
WR Plaxico Burress 2000 1 8423 23 Years 0 Months 22 Days
WR Antwaan Randle El 2002 2 8420 23 Years 0 Months 19 Day
CB Hank Poteat 2000 3 8405 23 Years 0 Months 4 Days
LB Bruce Davis 2008 3 8403 23 Years 0 Months 2 Days
LB Alonzo Jackson 2003 2 8389 22 Years 11 Months 20 Days
DB Anthony Smith 2006 3 8388 22 Years 11 Months 18 Days
TE Heath Miller 2005 1 8357 22 Years 10 Months 17 Days
OLB LaMarr Woodley 2007 2 8342 22 Years 10 Months 3 Days
T Trai Essex 2005 3 8313 22 Years 9 Months 3 Days
T Max Starks 2004 3 8278 22 Years 7 Months 30 Days
DE Ziggy Hood 2009 1 8242 22 Years 6 Months 25 Days
QB Ben Roethlisberger 2004 1 8227 22 Years 6 Months 7 Days
OLB Jason Worilds 2010 2 8225 22 Years 6 Months 6 Days
WR Santonio Holmes 2006 1 8223 22 Years 6 Months 4 Days
CB Ricardo Colclough 2004 2 8180 22 Years 4 Months 22 Days
SS Troy Polamalu 2003 1 8173 22 Years 4 Months 16 Days
C Maurkice Pouncey 2010 1 8081 22 Years 1 Month 15 Days
T Marvel Smith 2000 2 8064 22 Years 0 Months 28 Days
DT Kendrick Clancy 2000 3 8022 21 Years 11 Months 17 Days
DB Chris Hope 2002 3 8011 21 Years 11 Months 7 Days
ILB Lawrence Timmons 2007 1 7785 21 Years 3 Months 23 Days
RB Rashard Mendenhall 2008 1 7748 21 Years 2 Months 16 Days
LB Kendrell Bell 2001 2 7739 21 Years 2 Months 7 Days

I have to admit, based on that data alone, he sure does not look like anything the Steelers would have interest in. The next step is to check under the hood of this old man to see what football mileage he has on him. Watkins played in all 22 games as freshman and sophomore at Butte Junior College in California and started all 25 games at left tackle during his Baylor career. There does not seem to be any injury history associated with him and recently joked that he does not have arthritis yet and feels pretty good.

Watkins may have played left tackle at Baylor, but he projects as a guard at the next level and is in many cases the 2nd best interior lineman in the draft behind Mike Pouncey on most of the rankings. Watkins had a great Senior Bowl week and was asked to kick inside to guard. He transitioned very smoothly and looked like a natural. Of course he could use some coaching on technique, but what young player doesn't. He looks like a guy who could make an immediate impact at right guard for a team that drafts him. Say by week 4 or so.

It all boils back to the age thing with Steeler Nation though. Let's assume he was picked in the first round. Depending on how the labor stuff plays out, there could be a rookie wage scale. It is safe to say though a player drafted in round 1 will get either a 4 or 5 year contract. Most of the fear associated with Watkins is that he could be just a one contract guy. Sure and that is a valid argument. Let's for the sake of the argument say that there is a rookie wage scale that limits first rounder to a four-year deal. This means that Watkins would enter the final year of his contract just shy of 30 years old and would turn 31 mid way through his last season. Let's now take a look at the ages of the top 20 guards as ranked by Pro Football Focus for the 2010 season and see how old each were when the 2010 season kicked off on Thursday night. 5 of those players on that list were 30 or older when the season started. That's 25%. Not bad. The best thing with Watkins is that he could probably be extended before he entered a final season of a four year deal.

Should he be a bust, the Steelers also would benefit from it only being a four year versus five year deal. Should he get a traditional 5 year deal at least you would have that spot locked up for half a decade should he be as advertised on film and lives up to the pre draft expectations. So what if he is just a one contract draft pick. Can he help the Steelers win championships in those years is what I am concerned with.

RANK POS PLAYER TEAM WEEK 1 DAYS OLD Years/Months/Days

1 LG Carl Nicks NO 9249 25 Years 3 Months 26 Days
2 RG Josh Sitton GB 8861 24 Years 3 Months 3 Days
3 LG Wade Smith HST 10728 29 Years 4 Months 14 Days
4 RG Bobbie Williams CIN 12402 33 Years 11 Months 15 Days
5 RG Harvey Dahl ATL 10669 29 Years 2 Months 16 Days
6 LG Chilo Rachal SF 8944 24 Years 5 Months 25 Days
7 LG Kris Dielman SD 10810 29 Years 7 Months 6 Days
8 LG Ben Grubbs BLT 9679 26 Years 5 Months 30 Days
9 RG Brandon Moore NYJ 11055 30 Years 3 Months 6 Days
10 LG Mike Iupati SF 8521 23 Years 3 Months 28 Days
11 LG Brian Waters KC 12256 33 Years 6 Months 22 Days
11 LG Justin Blalock ATL 9760 26 Years 8 Months 20 Days
13 RG Geoff Schwartz CAR 8826 24 Years 1 Month 29 Days
14 RG Leonard Davis DAL 11692 32 Years 0 Months 4 Days
15 LG Richie Incognito MIA 9928 27 Years 2 Months 4 Days
16 RG Ryan Lilja KC 10556 28 Years 10 Months 25 Days
17 LG Jacob Bell SL 10783 29 Years 6 Months 7 Days
18 LG Rich Seubert NYG 11486 31 Years 5 Months 10 Days
19 RG Chris Chester BLT 10102 27 Years 7 Months 28 Days
20 RG Chris Snee NYG 10461 28 Years 7 Months 22 Days

Let's summarize. Watkins in many opinions is the 2nd best interior lineman in the draft and the Steelers could indeed consider the right guard position some what of a need after shuffling Trai Essex, Doug Legursky and Ramon Foster at the spot in 2010.

Watkins played tackle in college so he certainly would have some position flexibility. He certainly looks good on tape and is an all around mature older kid that has interviewed well according to reports. He looks and sounds like a guy that could contribute pretty quickly in his rookie season. He might be a one and a half contract guy and I do not think that should scare the Steelers off even though he would be the oldest draft pick in 11 years. Now in no way am I saying that Watkins will be the pick at #31 for the Steelers, but I am certainly not ready to rule him out just on age alone. He looks like the real deal though and time will tell. Perhaps Methuselah Watkins knows Father Time.

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Chadman
03-17-2011, 02:41 AM
He's probably a fine prospect, but he's maxed out.

Is he a genuine starter as of right now? Because his body isn't going to develop further, he is what he is.

Not sure if it's worth the pick when you see some of the other guys that should be available around our 2nd & 3rd round picks that are younger with higher upside.

steeler_george
03-17-2011, 04:09 AM
I am not for or against drafting him, but he does look like a contributing player from day one. That alone should warrant him being selected by some club somewhere in the beginning of the second round.

Just some thoughts on him:

Even though he is older, it is not as if his body has been abused by playing football all those years.

The biggest draw back of ageing is loss of athletism, but for guards is it more technique or athletism that is most important.

What is the average career span for Guards to play in the NFL?

How old was Harrison when he actually got some snaps on the field?

No saying that this is 100 % acurate, we all agree ( I think ) that he is going to be a good to average player at the least and a first year contirbutor. Now was is the diffenernce in a club investing in a FA with his potential or drafting a player with his potential.

Oviedo
03-17-2011, 09:44 AM
http://thenationalfootballreport.com/2011/02/18/2011-nfl-draft-profile-danny-watkins/


I'd like to take a shot at this kid even though he is older but is 31 in round 2 too high? I don't think we get a shot at him at 31 in round 3. I'd go corner in round 1 and like this guy in round 2.


I don't think Watkins makes it to our pick in Round 2 but if he's there and we didn't address the OL in Round 1 then I would think we seriously have to consider him...unless Marcus Cannon is still available, of course! :D

I would take Cannon over Watkins.

RuthlessBurgher
03-17-2011, 12:33 PM
He's probably a fine prospect, but he's maxed out.

Is he a genuine starter as of right now? Because his body isn't going to develop further, he is what he is.

Not sure if it's worth the pick when you see some of the other guys that should be available around our 2nd & 3rd round picks that are younger with higher upside.

I wouldn't say he's maxed out. The guy played his first football game when he was 22 years old, so he has plenty more to learn about the game in order to improve. Many of the guys in this draft have been playing tackle football since they were in elementary school. Only 2 years of junior college and 2 years at Baylor? Although he is much older than his draft eligible brethren, he has the least experience in terms of exposure to the game, and therefore he has very much to gain from NFL coaching.

Think about this: He is 2 years older than Lawrence Timmons. We drafted Timmons in 2007 and will be entering his 5th season as a Steeler. At the same time Timmons played his first game in the NFL as a Steeler, Watkins played his first ever football game at any level in 2007 at Butte College. Up to that point, he was a Canadian firefighter who played hockey and rugby while in high school.

hawaiiansteel
04-01-2011, 07:17 PM
DANNY WATKINS, OL, Baylor

Growing up a hockey player in British Columbia, Danny Watkins lived for Hockey Night in Canada and the Vancouver Canucks. The closest he got to football was watching the occasional CFL highlight and playing a little rugby in high school. After graduation, he aspired to a future in fire fighting, spending four years working in that risk-filled field before ever picking up a football.

"That's what I wanted to do,'' said Watkins, the All-Big 12 Baylor offensive lineman who at 26 has to be this year's oldest draft prospect. "But things [in football] have taken off.''
Watkins enrolled in Butte College in Oroville, Calif., in 2007 to attend the school's fire academy. But football somehow intervened, and after two successful seasons at the junior college, he was recruited by Baylor as a replacement for All-America left tackle and 2009 first-round pick Jason Smith, of the Rams. Less than 24 months later, Watkins is considered a decent bet to follow Smith's path to the pros, projecting as a late first-round selection. Teams like the No. 30 Bears and No. 31 Steelers are thought to have him squarely in their sights.

NFL scouts I've talked to rave about Watkins and his NFL potential. They don't seem to hold his age against him (he'll be 27 in early November), because offensive linemen can often play well into their late 30s. He may be a relative novice at football, but he's obviously a quick study, no matter what the field.

"Well, I don't have arthritis,'' Watkins said, laughing at a question about his age. "I feel pretty good. I was one of the first guys out of my physical [at the NFL scouting combine]. I'm a little more mature than the other guys. I don't think it's a negative.''

Neither does the NFL. At a shade under 6-4, and 312 pounds, Watkins might start off by moving to guard in the pros, and he worked inside at this year's Senior Bowl. But some teams believe in time he'll be up to the task of handling the high-profile left tackle role, and maybe sooner than most expect.

It's his hockey experience, he says, that has prepared him for playing football in the trenches. "There's a lot of knee bend, and the way you put your feet in the run game is similar to skating,'' said Watkins, who was drafted by the CFL's B.C. Lions as the fourth overall pick in 2010. "Obviously, moving backwards in hockey was very natural to me and in pass protection. A lot has been able to carry over to my benefit.''

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... z1IJBUZsLP (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/04/01/nfl-draft-prospects/index.html#ixzz1IJBUZsLP)