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SidSmythe
02-08-2011, 07:54 AM
It's amazing how people are really digging deep to break this game down.

The PACKERS had 1 TD drive that wasn't from a TURNOVER.

PACKER INTERCEPTION
INTERCEPTION, good Field position.
FUMBLE, good Field Positon.

DEFENSE are vulnerable after TURNOVERS

we overcame a 21-3 deficit and had everything working in our favor and the PACKERS on their heels right up to the MENDENHALL Fumble.

AND even then, we had a shot to win the game. :moon

msp26505
02-08-2011, 08:07 AM
Talking sense doesn't play well here.

Iron Shiek
02-08-2011, 08:56 AM
Naturally if you take the turnovers away, its a different game. Thats obvious.

But I think where people try to "break down" the game, is in the spirit that even with ALL those turnovers, we still were in position to win. So I guess when I say things like special teams discipline, the secondary, ben making some high/bad throws all lead to the loss. Naturally some of those things led to the turnovers as well. They kind of go hand in hand in a way.

frankthetank1
02-08-2011, 09:05 AM
gb took advantage of the steelers turnovers. that is why they won. if you settle for fg's against the steelers you will lose most likely

birtikidis
02-08-2011, 09:10 AM
it's spelled dummy...
just saying.
but i agree with you completely. blaming the defense is ridiculous.

The Sodfather
02-08-2011, 09:13 AM
Blaming one unit or player for that loss is borderline retarded. If you really think that you are either looking to argue or just plain stupid.

None of the 3 units played well (give the Pack some credit for that) and no individual player stepped up and made a game changing (in our favor) play.

Oviedo
02-08-2011, 09:20 AM
DEFENSE are vulnerable after TURNOVERS


The defense was vulnerable from the start of the game because we have CBs who are decent for a zone scheme that LeBeau loves and are mediocre at best at covering WRs man to man which is essential when team's spread the field.

Yes the turnovers put the defense in a tough position, but for being the elite defense we all claim they are they were incapable of making those stops or forcing "the big mistake" which LeBeau's defense is predicated on doing.

Bpth sides of the ball contributed to the loss but if we don't fix the secondary problem then expect more losses to teams with top QBs who spread the field. The defensive scheme has been figured out so time to do something different to counter our opponents. Can LeBeau do it? Not so sure! :stirpot

Ghost
02-08-2011, 09:43 AM
GB had drives that accumulated:
80 yards (TD),
53 yards (TD),
55 yards (TD)
70 yards (FG - took over 5 minutes off the clock in the 4th Q).
- And that's not including 5 to 7 drops, at least 1 that would have gone for another TD.

Yeah.... the D was F'n spectacular on Sunday :roll:

What I'm hearing is that the Steelers should just go ahead and tell the refs to throw 7 points on the board after every turnover because there is no way the D has any ability to make a stop if the other team gets the ball and it wasn't from a kick off or punt.

I don't believe any one, anywhere on this board is soley blaming the D or discounting the 3 turnovers. We all understand the massive hole that puts the team in. But they got carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey. 3rd and 10 and the Pack gets 31 yards at one of the most critical parts of the game is $hitty defense. Who cares how he got the ball, Rodgers threw for over 300 yards and 3 TDs.

Ben brought his D game (an F on the last drive) but the defense wasn't much above a C.

JAR
02-08-2011, 09:58 AM
GB had drives that accumulated:
80 yards (TD),
53 yards (TD),
55 yards (TD)
70 yards (FG - took over 5 minutes off the clock in the 4th Q).
- And that's not including 5 to 7 drops, at least 1 that would have gone for another TD.

Yeah.... the D was F'n spectacular on Sunday :roll:

What I'm hearing is that the Steelers should just go ahead and tell the refs to throw 7 points on the board after every turnover because there is no way the D has any ability to make a stop if the other team gets the ball and it wasn't from a kick off or punt.

I don't believe any one, anywhere on this board is soley blaming the D or discounting the 3 turnovers. We all understand the massive hole that puts the team in. But they got carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey. 3rd and 10 and the Pack gets 31 yards at one of the most critical parts of the game is $hitty defense. Who cares how he got the ball, Rodgers threw for over 300 yards and 3 TDs.

Ben brought his D game (an F on the last drive) but the defense wasn't much above a C.

Had the D held the Packers in the second half like they did in the second half of the Raven's game or the first half of the Jets game, the offense would have won the SB.. :)

RuthlessBurgher
02-08-2011, 11:10 AM
it's spelled dummy...
just saying.
but i agree with you completely. blaming the defense is ridiculous.

http://chubbyafro.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/dscf2730.jpg?w=318&h=400

Although Dumby could be a mix of these two guys:

http://www.thewrap.com/files/u3568/Dumbo.jpghttp://rodneyolsen.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/gumby.jpg

Of course, you could also combine those two together to get this:

http://www.outdoor-cooking.com/image-files/creole-shrimp-gumbo2.jpg

:mrgreen:

SidSmythe
02-08-2011, 12:00 PM
it's spelled dummy...
just saying.
but i agree with you completely. blaming the defense is ridiculous.

http://chubbyafro.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/dscf2730.jpg?w=318&h=400

Although Dumby could be a mix of these two guys:

http://www.thewrap.com/files/u3568/Dumbo.jpghttp://rodneyolsen.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/gumby.jpg

Of course, you could also combine those two together to get this:

http://www.outdoor-cooking.com/image-files/creole-shrimp-gumbo2.jpg

:mrgreen:
:moon :lol:

SidSmythe
02-08-2011, 12:02 PM
it's spelled dummy...
just saying.
but i agree with you completely. blaming the defense is ridiculous.

what are you talkin' about DUMBY!?!?! :moon

snarky
02-08-2011, 12:10 PM
I'm Dumby, dammit.

PSU_dropout43
02-08-2011, 12:18 PM
it's spelled dummy...
just saying.
but i agree with you completely. blaming the defense is ridiculous.

http://chubbyafro.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/dscf2730.jpg?w=318&h=400

Although Dumby could be a mix of these two guys:

http://www.thewrap.com/files/u3568/Dumbo.jpghttp://rodneyolsen.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/gumby.jpg

Of course, you could also combine those two together to get this:

http://www.outdoor-cooking.com/image-files/creole-shrimp-gumbo2.jpg

:mrgreen:LOL

who's the real dummy?

SidSmythe = dumby.

steelblood
02-08-2011, 12:19 PM
The main reason we lost was turnovers.

But, the defense did not play well. And just because we turned the ball over doesn't mean the Pack would not have scored 31 or close to it. We had trouble stopping them. They had several sustained drives.

The bottom line is that the best thing we can do to improve our team is to find some DBs that defend the pass well to pair with Troy and (hopefully) Ike. This is a pass first league. You can rarely stop these pass happy teams, but you can contain them better than we currently do. Another inside pass rusher could also help.

RuthlessBurgher
02-08-2011, 01:18 PM
I'm Dumby, dammit.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nlsHJ2aB8r0/S005hi3KYaI/AAAAAAAACRM/MfBxptRZDV0/s400/EddieMurphy-Gumby.jpghttp://www.historyforsale.com/productimages/thumbnails/275645.jpg

I told you that you can combine the two. Eddie Murphy agrees. :mrgreen:

skyhawk
02-08-2011, 04:54 PM
Turnovers certainly lost us the game. Ben should not have thrown those two passes, so it's on him.

But the Packers are the ones who brought the pressure on the first INT. So I give them credit for forcing that (taking a page of what the Steelers USED to do to other teams). The packers brought it on that play. The Steelers simply suck when backed up close to their own end zone. :HeadBanger

The second INT was also a good aggressive play by GB. Give em credit on making plays.

It was a great play by Matthews on the Mendy fumble. But if Johnson can at least get a body on him, that probably wouldn't have happened.

feltdizz
02-08-2011, 04:58 PM
Turnovers certainly lost us the game. Ben should not have thrown those two passes, so it's on him.

But the Packers are the ones who brought the pressure on the first INT. So I give them credit for forcing that (taking a page of what the Steelers USED to do to other teams). The packers brought it on that play. The Steelers simply suck when backed up close to their own end zone. :HeadBanger

The second INT was also a good aggressive play by GB. Give em credit on making plays.

It was a great play by Matthews on the Mendy fumble. But if Johnson can at least get a body on him, that probably wouldn't have happened.

I think Matthews said he saw something that tipped off the run prior to that play.

It was a well timed blitz and Mend was sandwiched by 2 players.

jj28west
02-08-2011, 06:56 PM
Turnovers certainly lost us the game. Ben should not have thrown those two passes, so it's on him.

But the Packers are the ones who brought the pressure on the first INT. So I give them credit for forcing that (taking a page of what the Steelers USED to do to other teams). The packers brought it on that play. The Steelers simply suck when backed up close to their own end zone. :HeadBanger

The second INT was also a good aggressive play by GB. Give em credit on making plays.

It was a great play by Matthews on the Mendy fumble. But if Johnson can at least get a body on him, that probably wouldn't have happened.

I think Matthews said he saw something that tipped off the run prior to that play.

It was a well timed blitz and Mend was sandwiched by 2 players.

This is interesting. Almost the entire world sees a snapshot of the line or each man getting blown up but the way GB came on that play does make sense in that they may have seen something that made them committ so strong to the run.

hawaiiansteel
02-10-2011, 01:59 AM
Collier: Turnover virus was Steelers' downfall

Tuesday, February 08, 2011
By Gene Collier, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


ARLINGTON, Texas -- The Green Bay Packers rang up 111 points off turnovers this season, launching them into an exclusive status as the only team to attain the top five in that category in three consecutive years, so it shouldn't be a shock to anyone that they slapped 21 more on the Steelers in Super Bowl XLV.

No shock, perhaps, but plenty of awww ...

That's the kind of thing that isn't supposed to happen to, um, anybody, really, but especially not to a Steelers team that hadn't turned the ball over three times since Nov. 22, 2009, at Kansas City, 25 games ago.

So how does a 14-4 team that has won eight of its past nine, a team carrying the banner of the NFL's only six-time Super Bowl champion, walk out onto football's grandest stage and flash a drop-dead impersonation of the perfect Packers victim?

Let us count the ways, slowly, and as the case may be, painfully.

The first one probably wasn't Ben Roethlisberger's fault, but I'm not sure the same could be said for offensive coordinator Bruce Arians. Green Bay had just taken a 7-0 lead, and Ryan Mundy had just committed Sunday's first deadly special teams penalty to pin the Steelers offense at its 7.

Arians rarely does the safe thing in these situations (see Ben in the shotgun in his end zone to set up a Jason Taylor safety vs. the New York Jets, Dec. 19), and the play caller's first-and-10 selection was a deep throw to Mike Wallace outside the left numbers. Near the top of his throwing motion, Roethlisberger was impacted by 340 pounds of Howard Green, altering the trajectory of a pass that fell into the hands of safety Nick Collins at the 37, about 12 yards short of the target.

Collins returned it for a touchdown, followed by an excessive celebration, but you'll have to excuse him for that. He probably knew that every team that has ever returned an interception for a touchdown in the Super Bowl has won the thing.

Yeah, I'm sure he knew that.

The second interception was all on Ben, who fixated on Wallace as he crossed in front of the coverage right to left, ignoring a wide open Heath Miller down the seam. Roethlisberger also forgot to account for Jarrett Bush, who caught it at the spot to which Wallace was headed. Four plays later, Aaron Rodgers zipped one 21 yards to Greg Jennings for the touchdown that made it 21-3.

But that wasn't the worst pass Big Ben would throw on a day when his passer rating came home at 77.4, not as dreadful as the 35.5 he posted against the Jets in the AFC championship game, but certainly forgettable. Though he commonly jokes that Wallace's speed is so great he can't be overthrown, Roethlisberger picked a terrible time to ruin that line. Trailing 21-17 with 6:50 left in the third quarter, Wallace scalded Packers safety Charlie Peprah on a streak toward the left pylon from the Green Bay 44.

Roethlisberger's throw cleared him by 5 yards.

Over the wrong shoulder.

And it brought a rare public look-at-that from Arians.

"We had a chance for a touchdown pass to take the lead," Arians said, "but we just missed it."

But in betraying their own status as a plus-17 team when it comes to turnover ratio, the second best such figure in the league, the Steelers undoubtedly saved the worst for last, and there was plenty of blame to spread around on this one.

Rashard Mendenhall, who played an effectively robust game despite getting only 14 carries against a middling Packers rush defense, took a handoff and headed between the tackles at the Green Bay 33.

Momentum, it appeared, had shifted the Steelers' way inalterably behind a defense that forced Green Bay's attack to look like this to that point in the second half: three and out, three and out, four and out, three and out.

But Mendenhall had the ball for less than a second before he had linebacker Clay Matthews on his hands as well, and Matthews was quickly joined by 340-pound defensive end Ryan Pickett. The ball popped free like a bar of soap, and linebacker Desmond Bishop scooped it for a short return to the 45. The entire right side of the Steelers' formation failed on that play, as well as the running back.

"Late in the game, especially when Pittsburgh made that run, I mean any great team is going to make a run and we knew that," said veteran Packers safety Charles Woodson, who hurt his shoulder defending Wallace and missed all of the second half. "They made some plays but when we had to, we made the stops and came up with the turnovers. That's what we've done all season."

Maybe we should have known the Steelers were coming down with something, as there was that postseason turnover virus going around. They had seven in three playoff games, more than in the entire second half of the season.

The Steelers kept the ball for nearly 34 minutes in Super Bowl XLV, making MVP Rodgers a spectator the majority of the time. Had they just not spent so much of their possession time de-possessing.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11039/11 ... z1DWqFTOOq (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11039/1123797-150.stm#ixzz1DWqFTOOq)