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Dee Dub
02-07-2011, 12:36 AM
The Steelers have once chance at drafting a player who is ranked number one overall at his poistion. A player and position that immediately upgrades a need for them.

Free Safety----Rahim Moore. To me it's a no brainer.

Value for him is far better than the number 5 OT or number 2 OG in the draft. Sorry, Mike Pouncey will be drafted long before they Steelers pick.

papillon
02-07-2011, 12:45 AM
The Steelers have once chance at drafting a player who is ranked number one overall at his poistion. A player and position that immediately upgrades a need for them.

Free Safety----Rahim Moore. To me it's a no brainer.

Value for him is far better than the number 5 OT or number 2 OG in the draft. Sorry, Mike Pouncey will be drafted long before they Steelers pick.

If he's the #1 free safety it would be difficult to leave him on the board for sure. How far down the list cornerbacks will the Steelers be when they draft?

Pappy

Dee Dub
02-07-2011, 12:50 AM
The Steelers have once chance at drafting a player who is ranked number one overall at his poistion. A player and position that immediately upgrades a need for them.

Free Safety----Rahim Moore. To me it's a no brainer.

Value for him is far better than the number 5 OT or number 2 OG in the draft. Sorry, Mike Pouncey will be drafted long before they Steelers pick.

If he's the #1 free safety it would be difficult to leave him on the board for sure. How far down the list cornerbacks will the Steelers be when they draft?

Pappy

Maybe the 3rd or 4th best corner?

Two years ago at UCLA Rahim Moore had 10 picks. He can cover and he can also hit. He would allow Troy to be used the way Troy should be used.

papillon
02-07-2011, 12:54 AM
[quote="Dee Dub":327hvnj5]The Steelers have once chance at drafting a player who is ranked number one overall at his poistion. A player and position that immediately upgrades a need for them.

Free Safety----Rahim Moore. To me it's a no brainer.

Value for him is far better than the number 5 OT or number 2 OG in the draft. Sorry, Mike Pouncey will be drafted long before they Steelers pick.

If he's the #1 free safety it would be difficult to leave him on the board for sure. How far down the list cornerbacks will the Steelers be when they draft?

Pappy

Maybe the 3rd or 4th best corner?

Two years ago at UCLA Rahim Moore had 10 picks. He can cover and he can also hit. He would allow Troy to be used the way Troy should be used.[/quote:327hvnj5]

Would he have been able to come up and cover Jordy Nelson when Gay and McFadden both blitzed and Clark didn't attack Nelson?

Pappy

steelblood
02-07-2011, 12:54 AM
Pass defense must be addressed with the first pick unless a o-line players slips to them. I'd go pass defense with three of the first four picks.

We could use 2 corners (even if we resign Ike), a FS, and another pass rusher (preferably an DL pass rush specialist).

steelerkeylargo
02-07-2011, 12:56 AM
There are Zero Safeties worthy of a first round pick this year. The pick should be CB, OL or DL.

Dee Dub
02-07-2011, 01:01 AM
[quote="Dee Dub":3tm6nkq9]The Steelers have once chance at drafting a player who is ranked number one overall at his poistion. A player and position that immediately upgrades a need for them.

Free Safety----Rahim Moore. To me it's a no brainer.

Value for him is far better than the number 5 OT or number 2 OG in the draft. Sorry, Mike Pouncey will be drafted long before they Steelers pick.

If he's the #1 free safety it would be difficult to leave him on the board for sure. How far down the list cornerbacks will the Steelers be when they draft?

Pappy

Maybe the 3rd or 4th best corner?

Two years ago at UCLA Rahim Moore had 10 picks. He can cover and he can also hit. He would allow Troy to be used the way Troy should be used.

Would he have been able to come up and cover Jordy Nelson when Gay and McFadden both blitzed and Clark didn't attack Nelson?

Pappy[/quote:3tm6nkq9]

I've seen a lot of Rahim Moore. I can tell you he is a very good cover safety. He was captain of the team, he is extremely intelligent, and has great football instints. His ceiling could be perennial pro bowler. I wont compare him to Ed Reed because he isnt quite there coverage wise (but who is?), but he is a more well rounded safety. Moore is pretty physical.

Dee Dub
02-07-2011, 01:03 AM
There are Zero Safeties worthy of a first round pick this year. The pick should be CB, OL or DL.

I disagree with you.I think Rahim Moore is a legitmate first rounder.

I'd rather have the number one free safety at 31 than the 4th best corner at 31.

steelerkeylargo
02-07-2011, 01:12 AM
There are Zero Safeties worthy of a first round pick this year. The pick should be CB, OL or DL.

I disagree with you.I think Rahim Moore is a legitmate first rounder.

I'd rather have the number one free safety at 31 than the 4th best corner at 31.

Well there are not. And you cant make a blanket statemnet like that. It all depends on the depth. Their are 4 first round worthy CB's and no safeties. Moore wouldn't replace Clark as a starter. Our 1st rounder needs to start.

Dee Dub
02-07-2011, 01:17 AM
There are Zero Safeties worthy of a first round pick this year. The pick should be CB, OL or DL.

I disagree with you.I think Rahim Moore is a legitmate first rounder.

I'd rather have the number one free safety at 31 than the 4th best corner at 31.

Well there are not. And you cant make a blanket statemnet like that. It all depends on the depth. Their are 4 first round worthy CB's and no safeties. Moore wouldn't replace Clark as a starter. Our 1st rounder needs to start.


You are entitled to your opinion and I respect it...but again I disagree with you. Rahim Moore will go in the first round. And I saw Ryan Clark get torched over and over tonight. He is a major liability in coverage and because of it LeBeau has had to use Troy more in a cover two deep shell and less at or near the box lately. That isnt in the best interests of the defense.

Personally had Moore entered last years draft we may be talking top 15. He tore it up two years ago.

steelerkeylargo
02-07-2011, 01:19 AM
[quote=steelerkeylargo]There are Zero Safeties worthy of a first round pick this year. The pick should be CB, OL or DL.

I disagree with you.I think Rahim Moore is a legitmate first rounder.

I'd rather have the number one free safety at 31 than the 4th best corner at 31.

Well there are not. And you cant make a blanket statemnet like that. It all depends on the depth. Their are 4 first round worthy CB's and no safeties. Moore wouldn't replace Clark as a starter. Our 1st rounder needs to start.


You are entitled to you opinion and I respect it...but again I disagree with you. Rahim Moore will go in the first round. And I saw Ryan Clark get torched over and over tonight. He is a major liability in coverage and because of it LeBeau has had to use Troy more in a cover two deep shell and less at or near the box lately. That isnt in the best interests of the defense.

Personally had Moore entered last years draft we may be talking top 15. He tore it up two years ago.[/quote:2c1m7ptx]

I will make you a friendly wager that Moore doesnt go in the first round. On top of that he is a cover 2 type safety who shys away from contact. Overrated!!

Chadman
02-07-2011, 01:22 AM
Well, one thing is for sure- the current CB's limit the effectiveness of the Defense.

McFadden, Gay, Maddison- all replaceable. Mundy too.

When Tomlin came on board, he drafted LB's in rounds 1 & 2.

Go back to what works Mike- DB's in Rounds 1 & 2- upgrade the weak link.

The OL looked good, and with Starks, Pouncey & Colon to add to the rotation, might not need any new faces.

Dee Dub
02-07-2011, 01:25 AM
From Scouts Inc. on Rahim Moore....

Ranked number 1 overall at safety. Number 30 overall in the entire draft of all players. Grades out at 89 (See below)

Ovedrall Football Traits--

Production 1 2008: (12/12) 60 tackles, 4 PBU, 3 INT. 2009: (13/13) 49 tackles, 3 TFL, 7 PBU, 10 INT.

Height-Weight-Speed 2 A bit leaner than the average safety prospect but has some room on frame to add bulk and he's faster on a straight line than most at his position.

Durability 1 Has started all 25 games during two seasons at UCLA.

Intangibles 1 Hard worker on and off the field. Good student. Takes excellent care of his body and understands importance of nutrition. Models his game after Ed Reed (Baltimore Ravens).

Safey Specific Traits--

Production 1 Excellent natural instincts. Diagnoses plays quickly and without peeking in the backfield. Will not catch him taking many false steps. Is confident in his ability to read the quarterback's eyes when in zone coverage and doesn't waste time second-guessing.

Height-Weight-Speed 2 Very quick feet and good balance in backpedal. At his best playing centerfielder role, where he can read quarterback's eyes, get an early jump and attack the ball. He has very good range in zone and shows consistent ability to hold up in deep-middle coverage in Cover 3 and man-free. Far less experienced in man coverage. Has the agility, top-end speed, confidence and instincts to protect himself, but he is a bit high-cut and will have some problems mirroring quicker slot WRs in the NFL.

Durability 1 He is aggressive when the ball is in the air, will go up and contest, and he consistently high points it the ball. He has great hand-eye coordination and strong hands. Production backs up what we see on tape: 13 INTs in first two seasons at UCLA.

Intangibles 3 Is a bit undersized and has some trouble getting off of blocks on occasion. Takes very good angles in deep pursuit and typically takes solid angles when filling from the high point. Not an explosive hitter but does a good job of breaking down and wrapping up quickly in space. Doesn't hesitate as a tackler. He closes in a hurry and will hog-tie ball carriers around the ankles. Occasionally will fail to wrap up because he has left his feet and the few times we've seen it on tape it has been against smaller ball carriers.

1 = Exceptional 2 = Above average 3 = Average 4 = Below average 5 = Marginal


80-89 Outstanding Prospect
Player has abilities to create mismatches versus most opponents in the NFL. A feature player that has an impact on the outcome of the game. Cannot be shut down by a single player and plays on a consistent level week in and week out. He rates in the top 10 at his position and is considered a second round draft prospect.

But I dont need to hear this from someone else. I saw him enough to know that he is a blue chipper.

Dee Dub
02-07-2011, 01:29 AM
[quote=steelerkeylargo]There are Zero Safeties worthy of a first round pick this year. The pick should be CB, OL or DL.

I disagree with you.I think Rahim Moore is a legitmate first rounder.

I'd rather have the number one free safety at 31 than the 4th best corner at 31.

Well there are not. And you cant make a blanket statemnet like that. It all depends on the depth. Their are 4 first round worthy CB's and no safeties. Moore wouldn't replace Clark as a starter. Our 1st rounder needs to start.


You are entitled to you opinion and I respect it...but again I disagree with you. Rahim Moore will go in the first round. And I saw Ryan Clark get torched over and over tonight. He is a major liability in coverage and because of it LeBeau has had to use Troy more in a cover two deep shell and less at or near the box lately. That isnt in the best interests of the defense.

Personally had Moore entered last years draft we may be talking top 15. He tore it up two years ago.

I will make you a friendly wager that Moore doesnt go in the first round. On top of that he is a cover 2 type safety who shys away from contact. Overrated!![/quote:ctyqufg9]

I dont need to wager some guy on a football discussion board that I dont even know. Again I repsect your opinion but I disagree. And I really dont care whether you or I am right or wrong. You dont get nothing for it neither do I.

Rahim Moore will be a bonafide NFL player. That is my opinion.

Shoe
02-07-2011, 01:55 AM
Safeties if I recall, are quite hit or miss in the first round. I don't know about Moore, but he would have to have that special quality, that guys like Reed, Polamalu, Bob Sanders, this year with Berry (though I felt Berry was being overrated), certainly Earl Thomas... I felt Jairus Byrd (gil byrd's kid) had that playmaking quality. That's the type that I would want.

For all the guys listed above though, I can name a guy who seemingly had the measurables but didn't have that knack.

NJ-STEELER
02-07-2011, 03:06 AM
has to be secondary or OL i believe


and thats with resigning our important free agents

BradshawsHairdresser
02-07-2011, 04:01 AM
The OL looked good, and with Starks, Pouncey & Colon to add to the rotation, might not need any new faces.
Do you have any information that both Colon and Starks will be back? Flozell Adams was great, but he's probably only around 1 more year. I think OT is a huge need, along with secondary help. The premier OT's will likely be gone by #31, but we ought to spend at least a second-rounder on a decent OT prospect.

Chadman
02-07-2011, 04:44 AM
The OL looked good, and with Starks, Pouncey & Colon to add to the rotation, might not need any new faces.
Do you have any information that both Colon and Starks will be back? Flozell Adams was great, but he's probably only around 1 more year. I think OT is a huge need, along with secondary help. The premier OT's will likely be gone by #31, but we ought to spend at least a second-rounder on a decent OT prospect.

Got any information they won't be back?

Put it this way- who would you rather see on the field next season- Johnathon Scott or Willie Gay? Ramon Foster or Ryan Mundy?

BradshawsHairdresser
02-07-2011, 05:07 AM
The OL looked good, and with Starks, Pouncey & Colon to add to the rotation, might not need any new faces.
Do you have any information that both Colon and Starks will be back? Flozell Adams was great, but he's probably only around 1 more year. I think OT is a huge need, along with secondary help. The premier OT's will likely be gone by #31, but we ought to spend at least a second-rounder on a decent OT prospect.

Got any information they won't be back?

Put it this way- who would you rather see on the field next season- Johnathon Scott or Willie Gay? Ramon Foster or Ryan Mundy?
I believe Colon's contract expires. Haven't heard anything about re-signing him. Again, Adams is nearing the end. Look, I agree we need secondary help. I just don't think we can ignore O-line for the first three rounds. It's too pressing a need.

steelblood
02-07-2011, 10:29 AM
The OL looked good, and with Starks, Pouncey & Colon to add to the rotation, might not need any new faces.
Do you have any information that both Colon and Starks will be back? Flozell Adams was great, but he's probably only around 1 more year. I think OT is a huge need, along with secondary help. The premier OT's will likely be gone by #31, but we ought to spend at least a second-rounder on a decent OT prospect.

Got any information they won't be back?

Put it this way- who would you rather see on the field next season- Johnathon Scott or Willie Gay? Ramon Foster or Ryan Mundy?
I believe Jonathan Scott is a UFA and not under contract. Scott actually has some real negotiating power. It won't be easy to resign him for cheap.

Oviedo
02-07-2011, 10:33 AM
There are Zero Safeties worthy of a first round pick this year. The pick should be CB, OL or DL.

I disagree with you.I think Rahim Moore is a legitmate first rounder.

I'd rather have the number one free safety at 31 than the 4th best corner at 31.

Well there are not. And you cant make a blanket statemnet like that. It all depends on the depth. Their are 4 first round worthy CB's and no safeties. Moore wouldn't replace Clark as a starter. Our 1st rounder needs to start.

If given a legit chance to start, or even play significantly, is a metric for the Round 1 pick then ignore the defensive side of the ball because LeBeau will never let that happen.

I do agree with the sentiment that in the first four rounds we need to get at least one CB and one Safety. I would go:

1-DB
2-OL
3-DB
4-DL

or

1-OL
2-DB
3-DB
4-DL

Northern_Blitz
02-07-2011, 11:59 AM
Without knowing about retirements, or anything about prospects, I would want a DB (preferably a CB) in the 1st.

But, what if Hampton, Smith, and Hoke all retire? Smith may not be as big a deal because Hood has played very well this year. If only one of Hampton or Hoke retire, NT may not be a huge deal next season.

The bright side of a lock out would be that we would have 2 drafts to improve our secondary / O-Line and replace aging / retiring vets (note: I do not want a lock-out).

steelerkeylargo
02-07-2011, 12:03 PM
Without knowing about retirements, or anything about prospects, I would want a DB (preferably a CB) in the 1st.

But, what if Hampton, Smith, and Hoke all retire? Smith may not be as big a deal because Hood has played very well this year. If only one of Hampton or Hoke retire, NT may not be a huge deal next season.

The bright side of a lock out would be that we would have 2 drafts to improve our secondary / O-Line and replace aging / retiring vets (note: I do not want a lock-out).


Hampton isnt going aywhere he had a great year. Smith said he wants to play 2 more years. Hoke I am sure will keep takikng paychecks as long as the Steelers are willing to give them.

Oviedo
02-07-2011, 12:11 PM
Without knowing about retirements, or anything about prospects, I would want a DB (preferably a CB) in the 1st.

But, what if Hampton, Smith, and Hoke all retire? Smith may not be as big a deal because Hood has played very well this year. If only one of Hampton or Hoke retire, NT may not be a huge deal next season.

The bright side of a lock out would be that we would have 2 drafts to improve our secondary / O-Line and replace aging / retiring vets (note: I do not want a lock-out).


Hampton isnt going aywhere he had a great year. Smith said he wants to play 2 more years. Hoke I am sure will keep takikng paychecks as long as the Steelers are willing to give them.

Like I said earlier. Keeping Smith and Hoke (I'd keep Hoke) blocks a roster spot for a young player. If we keep kicking this can down the road it will bite us when these guys all leave of their performances falls off a cliff.

There may be a comfort level in keeping these veterans but Capers found a a way to completely transition the Green bay defense to a 3-4 in just two years and he has a ton of young players playing and they just won a Super Bowls.

Whatever his scheme is that gets these young players in the line up force LeBeau to do the same thing.

aggiebones
02-07-2011, 12:12 PM
There are Zero Safeties worthy of a first round pick this year. The pick should be CB, OL or DL.


Exactly

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-07-2011, 01:11 PM
Pre Combine & Proday:

CB
*Brandon Harris
Jimmy Smith


OL
*Nate Solder
*Tyron Smith
*Gabe Carimi
Mike Pouncey
Derek Sherrod
Anthony Castonzo

NT
Phil Taylor

Guys with * more than likely will be gone.

Then the old famous "trade back" scenario. Which if all the guys above are gone...I would really consider.


Hard to say right now but I think the is a real good chance it will be OL or CB for the first pick. Based on grading right now & position of need...I would say the first pick will be 35% OL / 35% CB / 25% DL / 5% BPA. That 5% BPA will only be if they can't trade out. If they can't move, they won't reach. Then BPA might be a RB or WR just because he fell in their lap. I just don't see a S slotted there or a DE who will fall. If Watt or Clayborn fall, I'm sure they will be considered. As of right now, if any of the names above are still on the board...I think they will be part of the discussion.

flippy
02-07-2011, 01:44 PM
The Steelers have once chance at drafting a player who is ranked number one overall at his poistion. A player and position that immediately upgrades a need for them.

Free Safety----Rahim Moore. To me it's a no brainer.

Value for him is far better than the number 5 OT or number 2 OG in the draft. Sorry, Mike Pouncey will be drafted long before they Steelers pick.

I'm with you on this one. Either Rahim or one of the stud Dlinemen that could be there may be the best way to go.

You either have to maintain coverage or get to the QB quicker. Yesterday we were mediocre at both and need to step up either to help the other.

aggiebones
02-07-2011, 02:07 PM
OL is tricky. We do have access to a number of players that could start or be solid backups.
But who is RT, Colon or Adams?
Can we keep JScott as a backup? Probably not. Is he good enough of a starter to replace either side permanently? Probably not? Can Adams make another year? Would HE play swing tackle? Maybe.
If we draft someone do we have anyone to sign as a backup?
For the first time in like 4 years, I don't think we need a T in the draft. I can't believe I'm saying that.

What we better get soon is a new NT. If a good one is available, we should grab him. Hampton could have another year or 2 or maybe not. Since we keep 2 anyway, it may be time to cut bait with Hoke or Hampton and bring someone else along. We MUST shore up the NT position for the future.

We could get back to the Super Bowl with Ike and the boys at CB though I agree, we need to keep looking for another star there.

williar
02-07-2011, 02:21 PM
Best defensive backs available. Our defensive backfield is turrible! No playmakers, no athleticism, no ball-hawks. My first two picks would be the best dbs on board.

RuthlessBurgher
02-07-2011, 02:39 PM
There are Zero Safeties worthy of a first round pick this year. The pick should be CB, OL or DL.

I disagree with you.I think Rahim Moore is a legitmate first rounder.

I'd rather have the number one free safety at 31 than the 4th best corner at 31.

Well there are not. And you cant make a blanket statemnet like that. It all depends on the depth. Their are 4 first round worthy CB's and no safeties. Moore wouldn't replace Clark as a starter. Our 1st rounder needs to start.

Who are the 4 first round worthy CB's in your opinion (I only have 3)?

Peterson and Prince will likely be gone in the top 10, and Harris from Miami will probably go in the 20-25 range. After that, it seems like a lot of day two prospects to me (both Texas corners, both Colorado corners, Dowling, Carmichael, Burton, etc.). I could see us going for a bigger corner in the Ike mold, so we may prefer guys like Jimmy Smith or Ras-I Dowling (if healthy).

steelblood
02-07-2011, 03:14 PM
Dowling gets a lot of good press on this board. But, I've seen him play several times, and I think he struggles with receivers who have plus short area quickness mightily. I don't hate the kid, but I really don't like him before the end of the third round.

steelerkeylargo
02-07-2011, 03:21 PM
There are Zero Safeties worthy of a first round pick this year. The pick should be CB, OL or DL.

I disagree with you.I think Rahim Moore is a legitmate first rounder.

I'd rather have the number one free safety at 31 than the 4th best corner at 31.

Well there are not. And you cant make a blanket statemnet like that. It all depends on the depth. Their are 4 first round worthy CB's and no safeties. Moore wouldn't replace Clark as a starter. Our 1st rounder needs to start.

Who are the 4 first round worthy CB's in your opinion (I only have 3)?

Peterson and Prince will likely be gone in the top 10, and Harris from Miami will probably go in the 20-25 range. After that, it seems like a lot of day two prospects to me (both Texas corners, both Colorado corners, Dowling, Carmichael, Burton, etc.). I could see us going for a bigger corner in the Ike mold, so we may prefer guys like Jimmy Smith or Ras-I Dowling (if healthy).

Jimmy Smith is the other. He will be rated above Harris on many peoples draft boards.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-07-2011, 04:26 PM
If we are going with a DB of any type, lets hope Ray Horton gets canned so we actually have a shot at developing them.

Shoe
02-07-2011, 09:14 PM
This SB highlighter our biggest problem. Getting gashed by the likes of Rodgers, Brady on those underneath routes all day long. Truth be told, if Nelson and others hang on to passes, Rodgers could have had 400... basically that pass was there all day long.

Whatever it takes... whether it means getting one more guy who can get to the passer... or cover guys... that's the glaring issue.