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Oviedo
01-24-2011, 02:31 PM
The OL drives me nuts. You never know what you are getting. When Pouncey went down I thought they would get shredded but Legursky was adequete. Jon Scott played very well and I saw Flo Adams throwing some guys around.

Big questions: Do we draft more OL? Is getting Colon and Starks back enough? Will these guys develop and just get better under Kugler?

I feel really great for Flo Adams. He has been a lifesaver this season and I hope that they let him get up on the stage in Dallas and get the Lombardi in front of Jerry Jones.

hawaiiansteel
01-24-2011, 02:53 PM
if someone would have told you at the beginning of the season that our OL in the AFCC game would be Jonathan Scott, Kemo, Legursky, Foster and Flozell would you have accused that person of smoking crack?

Oviedo
01-24-2011, 03:13 PM
if someone would have told you at the beginning of the season that our OL in the AFCC game would be Jonathan Scott, Kemo, Legursky, Foster and Flozell would you have accused that person of smoking crack?

:Agree Who'd have thought but when the OL struggles we seem to go to the Super Bowl.

grotonsteel
01-24-2011, 03:17 PM
Big questions: Do we draft more OL? Is getting Colon and Starks back enough? Will these guys develop and just get better under Kugler?



I would say yes unless a stud CB or NT drops at 32. I don't think there is a NT worth of taking at 32 in this draft.

I am not sure if Colon will come back from the injury. Infact i don't know if Colon or Starks will ever be able to recover completely from their respective injuries.

I don't want Steelers to sign Colon to a long term contract. Draft a Tackle early in the draft and make him learn behind Hotel for a season and then let the young gun take over that position in 2012.

Crash
01-24-2011, 03:21 PM
A stud LT would be nice. I would keep Flo at RT for as long as he wanted to play. He's been outstanding.

steelblood
01-24-2011, 03:34 PM
Three undrafted free agents, a sixth round pick, and a 35 year old who was cut before the season. Kugler deserves the assistant head coach title. Lock him up. The year of the Kugs!

hawaiiansteel
01-24-2011, 03:34 PM
I am not sure if Colon will come back from the injury. Infact i don't know if Colon or Starks will ever be able to recover completely from their respective injuries.

I don't want Steelers to sign Colon to a long term contract. Draft a Tackle early in the draft and make him learn behind Hotel for a season and then let the young gun take over that position in 2012.



Jim Wexell recently stated that Willie Colon is recovering very nicely and that the Steelers expect him back next season.

Oviedo
01-24-2011, 04:22 PM
I am not sure if Colon will come back from the injury. Infact i don't know if Colon or Starks will ever be able to recover completely from their respective injuries.

I don't want Steelers to sign Colon to a long term contract. Draft a Tackle early in the draft and make him learn behind Hotel for a season and then let the young gun take over that position in 2012.



Jim Wexell recently stated that Willie Colon is recovering very nicely and that the Steelers expect him back next season.

I heard the same thing and also heard that Starks' injury is not like Marvel Smith's injury and he should have no issues coming back.

I would also draft a OT and let him play RG for a season and then step in at RT in 2012 after Flo Adams retires.

It will be interesting to see how the prioritization of picks goes down. I'd still take a CB first since I think we have the biggest problems in the secondary.

papillon
01-24-2011, 04:57 PM
if someone would have told you at the beginning of the season that our OL in the AFCC game would be Jonathan Scott, Kemo, Legursky, Foster and Flozell would you have accused that person of smoking crack?

As long as you tell me that Ben Roethlisberger is the quarterback, I'd accuse you of nothing. If you told me that the Steelers were in the AFCCG with that line and Charlie Batch, Byron Leftwich or Dennis Dixon I'd accuse you of a lot more than smoking crack. :P

Ben is the only quarterback taking this Steeler team to the Super Bowl with that O-line or any other the Steelers have trotted out there this year.

Pappy

hawaiiansteel
01-24-2011, 05:18 PM
A stud LT would be nice. I would keep Flo at RT for as long as he wanted to play. He's been outstanding.


stud LTs would always be nice, but they are very hard to find where the Steelers usually draft in the 1st round.

as for Flozell, I couldn't agree more. he absolutely dominated his man yesterday and has been outstanding all season long...a definite upgrade over Willie Colon.

Flasteel
01-24-2011, 05:23 PM
Both tackles are coming back and we've got Flozell and Foster to boot. Tackle isn't the problem, it's guard...more specifically RG. Unless there is a CB we like at 32, we need to take the best guard on the board there.

hawaiiansteel
01-24-2011, 05:28 PM
Both tackles are coming back and we've got Flozell and Foster to boot. Tackle isn't the problem, it's guard...more specifically RG. Unless there is a CB we like at 32, we need to take the best guard on the board there.


:Agree

if the Best Player Available is a CB or a RG, draft him.

Chadman
01-24-2011, 05:32 PM
Looking at the OL, probably the best option is to slide Colon into the less athletically demanding position of RG, allowing Starks & Adams to play the OT positions. Then draft a young OT to learn behind Adams for a year with a look to assuming the RT position once Adams retires, or if good enough, sliding over to LT and moving Starks back to RT. (Personally- no problem with Starks at LT).

Would not be against the possible drafting of Kemo's eventual successor...

steelernation77
01-24-2011, 05:32 PM
At this point in the evaluation process, there appears to be a number of OTs graded as late 1st- early 2nd. Might finally be a draft to grab one at a good value.

Eddie Spaghetti
01-24-2011, 05:34 PM
props to Ramon Foster. the man steeler fans love to hate.

a solid performance in the AFCCG. nice job young man.

thats getting value for your dollar.

Mister Pittsburgh
01-24-2011, 07:10 PM
I like Flozell at RT a lot. I hope he comes back for another season or two. Colon might be coming back to start at the RG position if the Hotel sticks around. I hope we get him his ring this year.

Dee Dub
01-24-2011, 08:15 PM
Ok I have to chime in here. Do you all remember when Colon went down and there was some panic on this board? At that time I had said the guy to keep an eye on was Jonathan Scott. Scott was a legitimate tackle at Texas. At one point in his junior year some experts had him rated as a first round pick. Unfortunately he didnt have the senior year that most expected and then he ends up getting drafted by Detroit (horrible team).

Here's what I know about Scott, he was a four year starter at both RT and LT at the Unniversity Texas and while he was there he held his own. Now is he Tony Boselli? Absolutely not but like I said when Colon got hurt if this guy gets a chance he could be a very nice surprise. He's finally getting a chance and he has shown some major improvement.

And just add someting else, I do believe at 32 there will be an immediate starter at tackle in this years draft.

SteelAbility
01-24-2011, 08:53 PM
if someone would have told you at the beginning of the season that our OL in the AFCC game would be Jonathan Scott, Kemo, Legursky, Foster and Flozell would you have accused that person of smoking crack?
Would've asked him to pass the pipe!

AngryAsian
01-24-2011, 10:03 PM
A lot of credit has been piled on several position players, Ben, coaching calls, etc... but make no mistake about it... we are in the Super Bowl because of our OL. Last night was epic. We were blowing up people when running the ball and when running to the outside the tackles and subsequent blocking from TE's sealed alleys for breaks down the sidelines. And when pass protecting, they gave time enough for Ben to work his magic... even when the pocket would collapse, there was seam after seam that Ben wiggled his way through for vital drive sustaining first downs. For the first time all season, I thought that the line truly played like one organism. Huge props and hope the gel we've been looking for has finally started to reveal itself.

Dee Dub
01-24-2011, 10:07 PM
A lot of credit has been piled on several position players, Ben, coaching calls, etc... but make no mistake about it... we are in the Super Bowl because of our OL. Last night was epic. We were blowing up people when running the ball and when running to the outside the tackles and subsequent blocking from TE's sealed alleys for breaks down the sidelines. And when pass protecting, they gave time enough for Ben to work his magic... even when the pocket would collapse, there was seam after seam that Ben wiggled his way through for vital drive sustaining first downs. For the first time all season, I thought that the line truly played like one organism. Huge props and hope the gel we've been looking for has finally started to reveal itself.

Yep! I agree AA. And Legursky is a keeper. I dont care if that guy ever starts a game. He is every thing a Steeler is. He should always have a roster spot.

hawaiiansteel
01-26-2011, 03:43 AM
Offensive line rises to occasion to lift Steelers to Super Bowl

By Vic Carucci NFL.com
Senior Columnist
Published: Jan. 24, 2011

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Rashard Mendenhall gashed the Jets' staunch defense for 121 yards rushing in the AFC Championship Game.

PITTSBURGH -- The first, and perhaps only, question about the Pittsburgh Steelers' Super Bowl worthiness has been answered.

In resounding fashion, the Steelers let everyone know that yes, indeed, they can rely on their much-maligned and injury depleted offensive line to come through in a big game in a big way.

That's what they did by rushing for 166 yards, and averaging 3.9 yards per carry, in their 24-19 victory against the New York Jets in the AFC Championship Game. That's what they did by giving Ben Roethlisberger -- through an otherwise underwhelming performance -- just enough protection to make just enough plays to allow them to hang on as the Jets chipped away at, but never could erase, a 24-0 first-half deficit.

"Our offensive line did a great job," said Rashard Mendenhall, who ran for a game-high 121 yards, while averaging 4.5 yards per carry, and a touchdown. "I am not out there running by myself. They controlled the line of scrimmage. There were holes and gaps."

Holes and gaps are supposed to be particularly hard to find against the Jets. Rex Ryan's defense isn't prone to allowing any team to manhandle it up front the way the Steelers did.

And Pittsburgh's offensive line isn't exactly known for its capacity to dominate.

It certainly didn't inspire that sort of confidence after losing one starting offensive tackle, Willie Colon, before the beginning of the season, and another, Max Starks, later in the year. More starters would suffer injuries along the way. By the end of the season, only two members of the unit would have the distinction of having started all 16 games -- rookie Pro Bowl center Maurkice Pouncey and veteran tackle Flozell Adams, signed in the summer after his release from the Dallas Cowboys to be Colon's replacement.

Then, about nine minutes into the AFC title game, came what looked as if it could very well be the knockout blow. That was when Pouncey left the field with a high ankle sprain. Doug Legursky took over, and even though the Steelers would finish the game's opening drive with a touchdown, there seemed to be cause for at least some concern that the Steelers would end up having problems on offense.

Despite his lack of experience, Pouncey excelled at making the correct line calls, which figured to be a more difficult chore against the Jets' complex and ever-changing defensive front. It turned out that the Steelers were able to keep rolling with a new center to a comfortable lead. Were there any hiccups? Yes, when Roethlisberger fumbled a snap in the end zone and recovered for a Jets safety that cut Pittsburgh's lead to 24-12 in the fourth quarter. After the ensuing drive resulted in a New York touchdown, things suddenly became more than a little dicey for the Steelers.

Although Roethlisberger insisted that he had faith in Legursky, based largely on the work they had done together in practice, he did feel compelled to tell everyone else in the huddle to "relax" after Pouncey's exit. Legursky, according to Roethlisberger, proceeded to make the correct calls the rest of the way.

After the game, Pouncey was on crutches. It would be reasonable to question whether he will recover in time to be ready to start in his first Super Bowl, even though he said, "I know in my heart that I'm playing in that game."

With or without Pouncey, the Steelers still can likely count on their offensive line being a topic of conversation between now and Super Bowl XLV. The media will ask and wonder about its ability to hold up against the Green Bay Packers' blitzing defense. They will talk about the enormous challenge that Pittsburgh's blockers will face from the scheming of Packers defensive coordinator Dom Capers and star outside linebacker Clay Matthews.

And Steelers coach Mike Tomlin will be among the first to point to the Jets game and tell reporters what he told them about his offensive linemen Sunday night: "They don't blink."

Roethlisberger is going to be equally quick and emphatic with his support.

"I'm the biggest fan of our offensive line regardless of how much bad stuff is written about them and how supposedly terrible they are," Roethlisberger said. "They are a great group. They are a very close group. They will do anything for me, which makes it a little more special.

"They find ways to fill in and step up and play for each other. I can't say enough good things about those guys."

A performance like the one they had to help the Steelers reach their eighth Super Bowl should keep him well stocked with superlatives.

Observation points

The NFL has to be thrilled that the teams with the best-traveling fans in the league are in the Super Bowl.

Nolan Carroll, a reserve cornerback and kick returner for Miami, studied plenty of videotape of Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers before the Dolphins' 23-20 victory on Oct. 17. The Dolphins' defensive focus, he told me during an interview on Sirius NFL Radio, was on Rodgers' mobility.

"When we were game-planning him, our thing was to keep him inside the pocket and let him stay still," Carroll said. "Don't let him move around and use his feet, because you saw in the Atlanta (playoff) game how he was just able to get out of the pocket and be so elusive and make plays down the field. That's the special thing about him.

"Most quarterbacks, if they get out of the pocket, they're thinking about running. When he gets out of the pocket, he's thinking about throwing downfield. He wants that big play. He wants to give it to his receivers because he trusts them. He knows that, if he throws it up, they'll be the ones to catch it."

Responding to a question about what has changed with Green Bay's defense since last year's 51-45 playoff loss to Arizona, this is what linebacker Desmond Bishop told me during a Sirius NFL Radio interview before the defense allowed 14 points in the NFC Championship Game: "A lot of it was just being new to the defense (which coordinator Dom Capers converted from a 4-3 to a 3-4 after being hired in 2009), but this year I think we're a lot smarter and we communicate a lot better. That eliminates 99 percent of the mistakes, and that way we can be effective and not give up as many points."

Bishop on Rodgers: "I think one of the biggest qualities of a leader and of a quarterback is confidence, and Aaron has it in abundance and it shows and I think it breathes through everybody else."

Follow Vic Carucci on Twitter @viccarucci.

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Stewie
01-26-2011, 07:23 AM
Let's give some props to Scott also. Jason Taylor was a non-factor. Watch the tape of Redman's cutback run. Scott drove his man to the right of the center.

Oviedo
01-26-2011, 12:09 PM
Let's give some props to Scott also. Jason Taylor was a non-factor. Watch the tape of Redman's cutback run. Scott drove his man to the right of the center.

Must admit that surprised me but he stepped up and played well.

Very interesting decisions with the OL next year with Satrks and probably Colon coming back. I love Adams and want him to stay. The experience Scott, Foster, Essex, Legursky, etc are getting will just make our OL stronger going forward.

The real wildcard in the OL situation are Chris Scott who must have impressed the staff not to be put on IR this season. Is he the LT of the future? The RT of the future?

I'm not convinced that OL will be the pick in Round 1 and could see a DB or DL taken instead.

Stewie
01-26-2011, 12:49 PM
Let's give some props to Scott also. Jason Taylor was a non-factor. Watch the tape of Redman's cutback run. Scott drove his man to the right of the center.

Must admit that surprised me but he stepped up and played well.

Very interesting decisions with the OL next year with Satrks and probably Colon coming back. I love Adams and want him to stay. The experience Scott, Foster, Essex, Legursky, etc are getting will just make our OL stronger going forward.

The real wildcard in the OL situation are Chris Scott who must have impressed the staff not to be put on IR this season. Is he the LT of the future? The RT of the future?

I'm not convinced that OL will be the pick in Round 1 and could see a DB or DL taken instead.

I hope that they draft the best available football player who is not a QB or a LB. I would give windage to the DL, depending on the development of the young CBs, Butler and Lewis. Our DL is still efective but old.

Oviedo
01-26-2011, 12:55 PM
Let's give some props to Scott also. Jason Taylor was a non-factor. Watch the tape of Redman's cutback run. Scott drove his man to the right of the center.

Must admit that surprised me but he stepped up and played well.

Very interesting decisions with the OL next year with Satrks and probably Colon coming back. I love Adams and want him to stay. The experience Scott, Foster, Essex, Legursky, etc are getting will just make our OL stronger going forward.

The real wildcard in the OL situation are Chris Scott who must have impressed the staff not to be put on IR this season. Is he the LT of the future? The RT of the future?

I'm not convinced that OL will be the pick in Round 1 and could see a DB or DL taken instead.

I hope that they draft the best available football player who is not a QB or a LB. I would give windage to the DL, depending on the development of the young CBs, Butler and Lewis. Our DL is still efective but old.

Based upon playing time with Bmac hurt and the fact they had Anthony Madison playing with Lewis active I have absolutly no faith that Lewis is going to be successful. I hope I'm wrong but I've seen no evidence there is any faith from the coaches in him except for special teams. I am slightly more optimistic about Butler but I don't think he played all season so not a good indicator.