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Dee Dub
01-06-2011, 08:24 PM
43-21: Bill Cowher's regular season record in his first four years.
43-21: Mike Tomlin's regular season record in his first four years.


Postseason—

Bill Cohwer----3-4
Mike Tomlin---3-1

So there it is..........I said it. :wink:

feltdizz
01-06-2011, 08:29 PM
43-21: Bill Cowher's regular season record in his first four years.
43-21: Mike Tomlin's regular season record in his first four years.


Postseason—

Bill Cohwer----3-4
Mike Tomlin---3-1

So there it is..........I said it. :wink:

said what? don't jinx Tomlin... you should have waited until Tomlin got the 4th playoff win. :evil:

Dee Dub
01-06-2011, 08:30 PM
43-21: Bill Cowher's regular season record in his first four years.
43-21: Mike Tomlin's regular season record in his first four years.


Postseason—

Bill Cohwer----3-4
Mike Tomlin---3-1

So there it is..........I said it. :wink:

said what? don't jinx Tomlin... you should have waited until Tomlin got the 4th playoff win. :evil:

3-1 is better than 3-4.

feltdizz
01-06-2011, 08:49 PM
[quote="Dee Dub":1ssc3nk7]43-21: Bill Cowher's regular season record in his first four years.
43-21: Mike Tomlin's regular season record in his first four years.


Postseason—

Bill Cohwer----3-4
Mike Tomlin---3-1

So there it is..........I said it. :wink:

said what? don't jinx Tomlin... you should have waited until Tomlin got the 4th playoff win. :evil:

3-1 is better than 3-4.[/quote:1ssc3nk7]

not if we lose the next 3 playoff games. We won't but I'm just sayin'... don't jinx Tomlin. :lol:

Dee Dub
01-06-2011, 09:00 PM
[quote="Dee Dub":1wztnipi]43-21: Bill Cowher's regular season record in his first four years.
43-21: Mike Tomlin's regular season record in his first four years.


Postseason—

Bill Cohwer----3-4
Mike Tomlin---3-1

So there it is..........I said it. :wink:

said what? don't jinx Tomlin... you should have waited until Tomlin got the 4th playoff win. :evil:

3-1 is better than 3-4.

not if we lose the next 3 playoff games. We won't but I'm just sayin'... don't jinx Tomlin. :lol:[/quote:1wztnipi]

But then the regular season record for Tomlin will change as well. Think about it. This is to show how these two coaches have done in their first 4 years as head coach.

SteelAbility
01-06-2011, 10:08 PM
I was thinking this was going to be the final score in the AFCCG ... with the Steelers on top, of course, and 2 TDs given up in garbage time as the starters get the whole second half off. :wink: :tt2

SanAntonioSteelerFan
01-06-2011, 10:37 PM
I was thinking this was going to be the final score in the AFCCG ... with the Steelers on top, of course, and 2 TDs given up in garbage time as the starters get the whole second half off. :wink: :tt2

What's with the imperfect tense* there, SteelAbility?? I'm with your initial impression, EXACTLY :Agree - that WILL BE our winning score as the clock ticks zero in Boston in 3 weeks, baby!!

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

(* grammar lesson courtesy SASF, Jr!).

tiproast
01-06-2011, 10:47 PM
What's with the imperfect tense* there, SteelAbility?? I'm with your initial impression, EXACTLY :Agree - that WILL BE our winning score as the clock ticks zero in Boston in 3 weeks, baby!!

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

(* grammar lesson courtesy SASF, Jr!).
Excellent grammar lesson, but you should consider an investigation into the venue for the AFCC game if the top seed holds serve.

The Patriots don't play in Boston.

Perhaps a remedial geography lesson is in order. :mrgreen:

SanAntonioSteelerFan
01-06-2011, 11:03 PM
What's with the imperfect tense* there, SteelAbility?? I'm with your initial impression, EXACTLY :Agree - that WILL BE our winning score as the clock ticks zero in Boston in 3 weeks, baby!!

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

(* grammar lesson courtesy SASF, Jr!).
Excellent grammar lesson, but you should consider an investigation into the venue for the AFCC game if the top seed holds serve.

The Patriots don't play in Boston.

Perhaps a remedial geography lesson is in order. :mrgreen:

Nothing personal tiproast, but in my mind the distinction between Foxboro and Boston is just a deceptive attempt to distract attention from the fact that all 3 organizations (Patriots*/Celtics/Redsox) are just the Three Heads of the Beast, and that everyone associated with them, and their fans, are simply spawn of the :twisted: .

Beyond that, I'm sure you're a swell guy!! :D

Shoe
01-06-2011, 11:57 PM
To be fair to Cowher, he had Neil O'Donnell... Tomlin inherited Ben Roethlisberger.

tiproast
01-06-2011, 11:58 PM
Nothing personal tiproast, but in my mind the distinction between Foxboro and Boston is just a deceptive attempt to distract attention from the fact that all 3 organizations (Patriots*/Celtics/Redsox) are just the Three Heads of the Beast, and that everyone associated with them, and their fans, are simply spawn of the :twisted: .

Beyond that, I'm sure you're a swell guy!! :D

Well, I do have my moments. One of my most celebrated virtues is showing extreme patience with benighted Steelers fans. 8)

SanAntonioSteelerFan
01-07-2011, 12:27 AM
Nothing personal tiproast, but in my mind the distinction between Foxboro and Boston is just a deceptive attempt to distract attention from the fact that all 3 organizations (Patriots*/Celtics/Redsox) are just the Three Heads of the Beast, and that everyone associated with them, and their fans, are simply spawn of the :twisted: .

Beyond that, I'm sure you're a swell guy!! :D

Well, I do have my moments. One of my most celebrated virtues is showing extreme patience with benighted Steelers fans. 8)

OK, :Agree , I admit, some of what I wrote wasn't correct!

Here's some bedtime reading for you, and from a Boston paper no less!
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/p ... s/spygate/ (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extras/spygate/)
(Gotta love that headline, "Patriots* forever placed on the defensive by Spygate Scandal".)

StarSpangledSteeler
01-07-2011, 12:27 AM
To be fair to Cowher, he had Neil O'Donnell... Tomlin inherited Ben Roethlisberger.

Not just Roethlisberger, he inherited a whole Super Bowl team. Cowher was a rebuilder.

tiproast
01-07-2011, 12:47 AM
Here's some bedtime reading for you, and from a Boston paper no less!
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/p ... s/spygate/ (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extras/spygate/)
(Gotta love that headline, "Patriots* forever placed on the defensive by Spygate Scandal".)
Nice sleuthing - I see you went back nearly 3 years to dig that one up.

http://www.pisymbol.com/images/mr_peabody_and_sherman.JPG

SanAntonioSteelerFan
01-07-2011, 12:56 AM
Here's some bedtime reading for you, and from a Boston paper no less!
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/p ... s/spygate/ (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extras/spygate/)
(Gotta love that headline, "Patriots* forever placed on the defensive by Spygate Scandal".)
Nice sleuthing - I see you went back nearly 3 years to dig that one up.

http://www.pisymbol.com/images/mr_peabody_and_sherman.JPG

Thanks for the compliment, but it was actually the 1st thing that pops up when you type "Spy gate Patriots* Cheating" into google. Give it a try, it's fun!! That's gotta be a great feeling as a fan, I'd imagine!

I heard Kraft is lobbying the owners hard to get the asterisks removed from the official records for the SBs you guys "won". Good luck with that!

P.S. Is that a cartoon of the young Bellicheat developing spy cameras and locker room recording equipment? :moon

tiproast
01-07-2011, 12:58 AM
Thanks for the compliment, but it was actually the 1st thing that pops up when you type "Spy gate Patriots* Cheating" into google. Give it a try, it's fun!! That's gotta be a great feeling as a fan, I'd imagine!

I heard Kraft is lobbying the owners hard to get the asterisks removed from the official records for the SBs you guys "won". Good luck with that!

P.S. Is that a cartoon of the young Bellicheat developing spy cameras and locker room recording equipment? :moon
You're trying a little too hard. It's more effective to tweak an opposing fan on your message board if you insert the needle a little more subtly.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
01-07-2011, 01:02 AM
Thanks for the compliment, but it was actually the 1st thing that pops up when you type "Spy gate Patriots* Cheating" into google. Give it a try, it's fun!! That's gotta be a great feeling as a fan, I'd imagine!

I heard Kraft is lobbying the owners hard to get the asterisks removed from the official records for the SBs you guys "won". Good luck with that!

P.S. Is that a cartoon of the young Bellicheat developing spy cameras and locker room recording equipment? :moon
You're trying a little too hard. It's more effective to tweak an opposing fan on your message board if you insert the needle a little more subtly.

Sorry, as a "benighted Steeler fan", I don't even know how to spell subtly, much less what it means. Does it refer to a filming technique?

tiproast
01-07-2011, 01:07 AM
Sorry, as a "benighted Steeler fan", I don't even know how to spell subtly, much less what it means. Does it refer to a filming technique?
Better, but it strains credulity that you would claim ineptness in spelling in light of your previous post where you were handing out grammar lessons.

Djfan
01-07-2011, 01:11 AM
Sorry, as a "benighted Steeler fan", I don't even know how to spell subtly, much less what it means. Does it refer to a filming technique?
Better, but it strains credulity that you would claim ineptness in spelling in light of your previous post where you were handing out grammar lessons.


Wow. The battle of big words. Winner has the best football team, right?

SanAntonioSteelerFan
01-07-2011, 01:12 AM
Seriously though, how do Pats* fans respond to questions about how they justify giving their allegiance to a team caught cheating?

Ohh ...

SanAntonioSteelerFan
01-07-2011, 01:19 AM
Sorry, as a "benighted Steeler fan", I don't even know how to spell subtly, much less what it means. Does it refer to a filming technique?
Better, but it strains credulity that you would claim ineptness in spelling in light of your previous post where you were handing out grammar lessons.


Wow. The battle of big words. Winner has the best football team, right?

Hey man, he slung "benighted" around, not me!

All I said is Pats* and their fans are Devil's spawn. That's not bad to say, is it? :lol: :lol:

(Dee, I'm sorry for hijacking your thread, I'll stop now!).

tiproast
01-07-2011, 01:26 AM
Seriously though, how do Pats* fans respond to questions about how they justify giving their allegiance to a team caught cheating?

Ohh ...
We don't have any justification. We don't need any justification. We don't have to show you any stinkin' justification! (For the benefit of those that don't recognize the allusion, it's from the film "Treasure of The Sierra Madre.")

But why would we give up our allegiance? Because Belichick filmed the Jets in exactly the same way the Jets filmed the Pats? Why do you think Goodell destroyed the tapes the Pats turned over? Those tapes were the reason Belichick felt comfortable that he could get away with filming the Jets - they showed the Jets taping from an unauthorized location, too. What team did Goodell work for before he became commissioner?

You guys in Pittsburgh have a good reason to not like Goodell, because he's continually eroding the physical nature of the game, and that's something the Steelers franchise has embodied since the Steel Curtain days. But your enmity for Goodell pales in comparison to what Pats fans feel for him.

Sorry about the vocabulary - not trying to show off, it's just the way I write.

Djfan
01-07-2011, 01:35 AM
Interesting take Tip.

I still think there is more stink of cheat on the Pats* that was not looked into, but that in no way means that the jets are innocent.

Goodell never looked into a lot of allusions and we seem to have been a team that suffered from it big. That and the halo around Marsha that CANNOT be broken, oh yeah, and the refs giving Marsha every flag he whines for, and the tuck rule, and the non action we can see over the Peyton concern about mics in the locker room, and the BS about the taping of the Rams SB practice, and the rules being rewritten mid season which favor the softer teams like the Pats*, etc.

This is a partial list of reasons I hate Bellicheat and Marsha and NoGoodell. They all swim in the same slime filled sewer as far as I can tell.

You seem alright, though.

hawaiiansteel
01-07-2011, 01:43 AM
We don't have any justification. We don't need any justification. We don't have to show you any stinkin' justification! (For the benefit of those that don't recognize the allusion, it's from the film "Treasure of The Sierra Madre.")



I love the movie "Treasure of The Sierra Madre," probably have seen it about 5 times.

let's hope we meet in the AFCCG, then at least one of us gets to be in the Super Bowl this year. :tt2

tiproast
01-07-2011, 01:48 AM
Interesting take Tip.

I still think there is more stink of cheat on the Pats* that was not looked into, but that in no way means that the jets are innocent.

Goodell never looked into a lot of allusions and we seem to have been a team that suffered from it big. That and the halo around Marsha that CANNOT be broken, oh yeah, and the refs giving Marsha every flag he whines for, and the tuck rule, and the non action we can see over the Peyton concern about mics in the locker room, and the BS about the taping of the Rams SB practice, and the rules being rewritten mid season which favor the softer teams like the Pats*, etc.

This is a partial list of reasons I hate Bellicheat and Marsha and NoGoodell. They all swim in the same slime filled sewer as far as I can tell.

You seem alright, though.
Thanks.

I won't address all your points, but I would like you to recall that it was the Colts complaining about the Pats DBs playing like Mel Blount in the 2003 playoff season that started the current march toward flag football (pun intended).

You, and many others on the board, are very tolerant of me. I enjoy posting here because of that.

tiproast
01-07-2011, 01:57 AM
I love the movie "Treasure of The Sierra Madre," probably have seen it about 5 times.

let's hope we meet in the AFCCG, then at least one of us gets to be in the Super Bowl this year. :tt2
:Agree

Yes, and if that happens, I feel pretty sure the Lombardi Trophy comes back to the AFC.

It would be gracious of us to host you in Foxboro for a change.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
01-07-2011, 02:00 AM
Seriously though, how do Pats* fans respond to questions about how they justify giving their allegiance to a team caught cheating?

Ohh ...
We don't have any justification. We don't need any justification. We don't have to show you any stinkin' justification! (For the benefit of those that don't recognize the allusion, it's from the film "Treasure of The Sierra Madre.")

But why would we give up our allegiance? Because Belichick filmed the Jets in exactly the same way the Jets filmed the Pats? Why do you think Goodell destroyed the tapes the Pats turned over? Those tapes were the reason Belichick felt comfortable that he could get away with filming the Jets - they showed the Jets taping from an unauthorized location, too. What team did Goodell work for before he became commissioner?

You guys in Pittsburgh have a good reason to not like Goodell, because he's continually eroding the physical nature of the game, and that's something the Steelers franchise has embodied since the Steel Curtain days. But your enmity for Goodell pales in comparison to what Pats fans feel for him.

Sorry about the vocabulary - not trying to show off, it's just the way I write.

Hey Tip - that is called wishful thinking, or probably better, magical thinking: "If I make things up about how everybody else did bad things too, then maybe it'll turn true that my team and my coach really aren't a bunch of sleazy cheaters!". You really think Mangini would have turned Bellicheck in to the league with a film that showed Mangini's staff doing illegal taping also? Mangini may not be a mangenious, but I doubt even that guy is that stupid. ( :brownssuck )

Hey it's OK, if I were a Pats* fan, I'd probably be :Blah like that or worse, trying to convince myself and others that my team and my coach really aren't "benighted" (I had to look it up, your Steeler Fan description ... as it turns out it seems one of the definitions is "morally ignorant" ... imagine that!).


BTW - Goodell worked as a friggin intern for one year with the Jets right out of college. Your bringing this up excuses/explains/justifies/rationalizes your team's and your coach's cheating ... how?

Anyway, thanks for the chat, it really made my evening of paying bills fun. And, in conclusion, regarding your thoughts and comments:

[youtube:1ohpsfo4]0MRmxfLuNto[/youtube:1ohpsfo4] (courtesy Billy Madison, via Ruth ...)

:wink:

tiproast
01-07-2011, 02:11 AM
Hey Tip - that is called wishful thinking, or probably better, magical thinking: "If I make things up about how everybody else did bad things too, then maybe it'll turn true that my team and my coach really aren't a bunch of sleazy cheaters!". You really think Mangini would have turned Bellicheck in to the league with a film that showed Mangini's staff doing illegal taping also? Mangini may not be a mangenious, but I doubt even that guy is that stupid. ( :brownssuck )

Hey it's OK, if I were a Pats* fan, I'd probably be :Blah like that or worse, trying to convince myself and others that my team and my coach really aren't "benighted" (I had to look it up, your Steeler Fan description ... as it turns out it seems one of the definitions is "morally ignorant" ... imagine that!).


BTW - Goodell worked as a friggin intern for one year with the Jets right out of college. Your bringing this up excuses/explains/justifies/rationalizes your team's and your coach's cheating ... how?

Anyway, thanks for the chat, it really made my evening of paying bills fun. And, in conclusion, regarding your thoughts and comments:

:wink:
It was a good chat, and thanks for reading my posts. I didn't expect to change anyone's mind based on a few paragraphs on a message board.

Djfan
01-07-2011, 02:47 AM
Tip - it's been my experience over many years of being a Steelers fan that as a group, this family is pretty good. There are bad apples and weird uncles, but for the most part we are not Raiders fans.

Glad you're here. HATE your team.

SteelerNation1
01-07-2011, 10:15 AM
How come when I read tiproast's sig
“We'll do the same thing that we always do. We'll take every situation from week to week and do what we think is best for that week and evaluate it on that basis.” - Bill Belichick I can't stop the vomit from spewing out of my mouth and nose? I HATE that human being.

Dee Dub
01-07-2011, 01:31 PM
To be fair to Cowher, he had Neil O'Donnell... Tomlin inherited Ben Roethlisberger.

That was all by choice for Cowher. It took him how long to realize he needed a franchise QB to win a championship? That is part of negative post-season record.

Shoe
01-08-2011, 02:02 PM
To be fair to Cowher, he had Neil O'Donnell... Tomlin inherited Ben Roethlisberger.

That was all by choice for Cowher. It took him how long to realize he needed a franchise QB to win a championship? That is part of negative post-season record.

Uh, the original post was comparing their first four years.
First of all, franchise QB's don't grow on trees. O'Donnell was drafted in '90 if I recall; Cowher got there for the '92 season. He could've wasted his first draft pick on Klingler--would you have wanted him to do that? In '93, we drafted late and picked Figures. What do you suggest we should have done--trade up for Bledsoe or Mirer?

The next year was the Heath Shuler/Trent Dilfer draft, where we picked CJ in the middle of the 1st round. Where is this franchise QB you see? And in '95 we picked Bruener at the end of the round. Again, I see no viable franchise QB.

Bottom line: O'Donnell was the card dealt him. O'Donnell was pretty much the best option he had: he (Neil) was young, with potential, and fit Cowher's game plan well (judicious with the ball, game manager). He tried to go with him, and realized he needed to move on. That period (from '96-'04) was basically him trying to make chicken salad out of chicken feathers. Again, maybe you see franchise QB's growing on trees... I don't.

Maybe you can name one instance where Cowher had the chance to draft an apparent franchise QB (i.e. first round pick) and passed it up.

RuthlessBurgher
01-09-2011, 06:31 PM
We don't have any justification. We don't need any justification. We don't have to show you any stinkin' justification! (For the benefit of those that don't recognize the allusion, it's from the film "Treasure of The Sierra Madre.")

I prefer Weird Al movies myself. :P

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eniparadoxgma
01-09-2011, 07:22 PM
We don't have any justification. We don't need any justification. We don't have to show you any stinkin' justification! (For the benefit of those that don't recognize the allusion, it's from the film "Treasure of The Sierra Madre.")

I prefer Weird Al movies myself. :P

[youtube:2pwr6e7h]gx6TBrfCW54[/youtube:2pwr6e7h]

Interesting. I prefer Mel Brooks. :)

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