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SteelCrazy
12-28-2010, 01:52 AM
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Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger served his four-game NFL suspension to start this season. Through a broken nose and broken foot, he has helped the Steelers into the playoffs. But he still has an unresolved legal matter.

Roethlisberger's suspension came after an investigation in Georgia into a sexual assault complaint filed against him in March by a college student. Authorities in Georgia decided to file no criminal charges, citing lack of evidence. He was suspended by the NFL under its personal conduct policy.

But still pending is a civil suit filed against him in 2009 by a Nevada woman, Andrea McNulty, accusing him of sexually assaulting her while he was in Nevada in 2008 for a celebrity golf tournament.

The Las Vegas Sun reports that the issue of where that civil case should be tried is now before the Nevada Supreme Court. A district judge has ruled the trial should be in Reno in Washoe County. Roethlisberger and his lawyers have appealed to have the case tried in Douglas County, where the assault allegedly took place.

Roethlisberger has denied the allegations in the suit and filed a counter claim. No criminal charges have been filed in the matter. -- Gary Mihoces

http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... me-court/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/12/civil-lawsuit-against-steelers-ben-roethlisberger-before-nevada-supreme-court/1)

fordfixer
12-28-2010, 02:09 AM
Casino company responds to Roethlisberger accuser
By Associated Press
Tuesday, December 28, 2010
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 15565.html (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_715565.html)

LAS VEGAS -- The world's largest casino company said a former casino host who claims she was sexually assaulted by Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger made assertions about casino workers that were melodramatic or hearsay.

The Las Vegas Sun reported yesterday that Caesars Entertainment Corp. responded this month to a lawsuit brought by the accuser. She has also sued the NFL quarterback, accusing him of assaulting her at Harrah's Lake Tahoe.

Roethlisberger has denied the allegations.

The accuser alleges the casino company defamed her, invaded her privacy, and wrongfully ended her employment.

Attorneys for Caesars say the woman's assertions are "more suited for inclusion in low-grade novel rather than a legal document."

Both lawsuits are still pending.

fezziwig
12-28-2010, 10:54 AM
I don't think a fair trial will happen for Ben with all the media hype that has taken place.

Crash
12-28-2010, 11:45 AM
Batch's case went on for five years before they settled and paid her off. So this is far from over.

fezziwig
12-28-2010, 11:57 AM
What went on with batch ?

ikestops85
12-28-2010, 12:36 PM
What went on with batch ?

http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/OhNo/fad1.jpg

Ghost
12-28-2010, 01:55 PM
I thought there were a couple of sworn affidavits from friends/co-workers of this woman stating she told them this was consensual and she was bragging about banging a QB. How is there a case?

Crash
12-28-2010, 02:04 PM
Because the Judge that got the case after a switch is friends with her lawyer and a publicity hound.

The documents Ben's legal team released show how disturbed McNulty is, they are all looking for a pay day.

That case is a sham.

Irongut
12-28-2010, 02:18 PM
Because the Judge that got the case after a switch is friends with her lawyer and a publicity hound.

The documents Ben's legal team released show how disturbed McNulty is, they are all looking for a pay day.

That case is a sham.
It's not uncommon for high priced civil attorney's to try and muddy the waters and show the plaintiff as an awful person, true or not.

It's pretty common the threat made by attorneys and public persecution of following through on actions such as the GA incident make plaintiffs facing rich defendants and attorneys back off, regardless of the facts.

It's pretty common practice for these types of attorneys who defend rapes, murders, battery, etc.

Crash
12-28-2010, 02:24 PM
Facts are, Ben is innocent.

Sucks to be you, but he is.

Irongut
12-28-2010, 02:46 PM
Facts are, Ben is innocent.

Sucks to be you, but he is.

Facts are, you don't know all the facts.

Facts are, I would certainly hope Ben is innocent. I would hate to imagine he is guilty of such awful actions.

Not sure how "sucks to be me" is relevent but I fully realize your maturity and mentality level.

feltdizz
12-28-2010, 02:48 PM
Facts are, Ben is innocent.

Sucks to be you, but he is.

Until this is over the only one is sucks for is Ben.

I don't think anyone on here (besides you) has anything to lose.

Crash
12-28-2010, 02:53 PM
McNulty and her lawyer tried to blackmail Harrah's, when that didn't work they went after Ben. Her own words/actions prove Ben's innocence. Their mistake was when they thought Ben would be like Ray Lewis and just give her money.

feltdizz
12-28-2010, 03:07 PM
McNulty and her lawyer tried to blackmail Harrah's, when that didn't work they went after Ben. Her own words/actions prove Ben's innocence. Their mistake was when they thought Ben would be like Ray Lewis and just give her money.


maybe Ben getting Ray Lewis' attorney for the GA case threw them off... :roll:

anyway you slice it Ben is still mixed up in a trial.

Crash
12-28-2010, 03:10 PM
For now.

McNulty is a loon. When her case is thrown out Ben should sue her for everything she has and leave her in the gutter.

NKySteeler
12-28-2010, 03:24 PM
FWIW, here's the Las Vegas Sun article that the originally posted article from USA Today is referring to...

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/de ... rback-ben/ (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/dec/27/case-involving-pittsburgh-steelers-quarterback-ben/)

Yea, the case was put on hold until the Nevada Supreme Court could decide about the location for the trial... Now that Christmas has passed, the Supreme Court has re-conveigned, and is addressing the issue... I can't imagine that it will take too terribly long to decide upon a location, so Ben's lawyers should be careful what they wish for...

If they get their wish, and it's moved to Minden, it's possible that the process could begin within, say, six weeks or so... Afterall, one of the reasons that they are asking for this is "judicial effeciency" because Minden has much less on it's dockett... And we all know that the next six weeks will hopefully be quite busy for the Steelers.

Yea, Ben's lawyers could ask for a delay or a continuance, but seeing as how this is one reason for their initial appeal, I doubt it would be granted... I dunno...

Irongut
12-28-2010, 03:35 PM
For now.

McNulty is a loon. When her case is thrown out Ben should sue her for everything she has and leave her in the gutter.

I think we all can see why Crash is alone and miserable.

Crash
12-28-2010, 03:42 PM
For now.

McNulty is a loon. When her case is thrown out Ben should sue her for everything she has and leave her in the gutter.

I think we all can see why Crash is alone and miserable.

You high again?

McNulty is disturbed, she was so "stressed" that she went out to dinner with Ben the night after he nailed her.

Like I said, facts show she tried to blackmail Harrah's first, facts also show that her own words months prior to the lawsuit being filed that Ben didn't rape her.

When she can't answer how she knew 24 hours BEFORE Ben did, that Ben's TV in his suite was broken, this case will be quickly dismissed.

hawaiiansteel
12-28-2010, 03:49 PM
let me summarize the McNutty case for everyone:

she bangs a NFL QB and then brags openly to her friends about it.

NFL QB drops McNutty like a hot potato once his proper head starts doing the thinking again.

McNutty decides to get even and goes Fatal Attraction on NFL QB.

good thing Ben didn't own a rabbit...

MCHammer
12-28-2010, 04:03 PM
I'd guess that most of our instincts regarding McNulty and her motivations are correct, but it would be just a guess. The legal world is not the real world and the "facts" are relevant only in so far as a judge/jury can be convinced of what the facts actually are.

That's probably why Ben wants the trial held in a different county. For whatever reason, his attorney feels it would be a better forum. But the plaintiff is usually accorded latitude to sue wherever venue would be appropriate so we'll see. It is not normal for this kind of stuff to go to a state supreme court, but Ben's lawyer is clearly up to something. Could be as simple as trying to find a county with a more preferable jury pool. Could be an elaborate delaying action designed to buy Ben time or drive up the costs for the other side. Could be as Crash suggests they'd prefer a different judge.

siss
12-28-2010, 04:15 PM
I see this going on for a really really long time. I think they are trying to drag it out as long as possible to out last her.

And from what I understand, Bens lawyer is just as competitive as he is, but with a law degree.

As a female I think Andrea McNutly is a money grabbing gold digger. When she couldn't have his kids and get his money that way, she went after the money grab. The evidence against her, supports that.

brothervad
12-28-2010, 04:17 PM
Tell me why I care about this again?

The court of public opinion regarding Ben has long since sailed. Lenny Bruce's (Crash) one man love crusade for Ben notwithstanding, whatever happens from here is pretty much irrelevant.

If the Civil court finds for McNulty he will pay punitive damages and those who are on Crash's side will scream about the injustice and that Ben's lawyer's need to appeal. And here is guessing that his lawyers will do so if that is the case.

If they find she is a wingnut...most people will say that Ben bought his way out of it...because that's what rich people do and will still call him Rapistberger.

So again why do any of you care...let's talk about football, the Steelers and the playoffs.

Anything else is just poking the wingnut (and I don't mean McNulty).

brothervad

Crash
12-28-2010, 04:18 PM
Again, and I quote:

When she can't answer how she knew 24 hours BEFORE Ben did, that Ben's TV in his suite was broken, this case will be quickly dismissed.

Irongut
12-28-2010, 04:27 PM
For now.

McNulty is a loon. When her case is thrown out Ben should sue her for everything she has and leave her in the gutter.

I think we all can see why Crash is alone and miserable.

You high again?

McNulty is disturbed, she was so "stressed" that she went out to dinner with Ben the night after he nailed her.

Like I said, facts show she tried to blackmail Harrah's first, facts also show that her own words months prior to the lawsuit being filed that Ben didn't rape her.

When she can't answer how she knew 24 hours BEFORE Ben did, that Ben's TV in his suite was broken, this case will be quickly dismissed.
Facts also show he mistreated the woman and did not act with respect. This is a trend with Ben, as the GA incident showed. He has no respect for women. It's been shown repeatedly he's a jerk, disrespects women, etc. so is it really a stretch that he wouldn't accept "no" for an answer?

PS, Is Crash's words above allowable by the terms of this website? I was told this website was a "clean family" type website but given Crash's repeaded actions, I assume this not to be true as he's still here posting. If someone could clarify that would be fantastic. I wouldn't want to respond in a manner not suitable for the site.

Irongut
12-28-2010, 04:30 PM
Again, and I quote:

When she can't answer how she knew 24 hours BEFORE Ben did, that Ben's TV in his suite was broken, this case will be quickly dismissed.

When quoting, it's always a good idea to post a link for verification and to show your "quote" wasn't taken out of context. You have shown a long history of using words "out of context" to prove your agendas, as evidenced with Hines Ward, Bill Cowher, Alan Faneca, etc.

Crash
12-28-2010, 04:31 PM
Facts also show he mistreated the woman and did not act with respect.

How? By going out to dinner with her the following night, and offer to take her fly fishing/camping in Wyoming?

Ben's words/actions towards her, from the mouth of Andrea McNulty herself, prove his innocence.

brothervad
12-28-2010, 04:34 PM
For now.

McNulty is a loon. When her case is thrown out Ben should sue her for everything she has and leave her in the gutter.

I think we all can see why Crash is alone and miserable.

You high again?

McNulty is disturbed, she was so "stressed" that she went out to dinner with Ben the night after he nailed her.

Like I said, facts show she tried to blackmail Harrah's first, facts also show that her own words months prior to the lawsuit being filed that Ben didn't rape her.

When she can't answer how she knew 24 hours BEFORE Ben did, that Ben's TV in his suite was broken, this case will be quickly dismissed.
Facts also show he mistreated the woman and did not act with respect. This is a trend with Ben, as the GA incident showed. He has no respect for women. It's been shown repeatedly he's a jerk, disrespects women, etc. so is it really a stretch that he wouldn't accept "no" for an answer?

PS, Is Crash's words above allowable by the terms of this website? I was told this website was a "clean family" type website but given Crash's repeaded actions, I assume this not to be true as he's still here posting. If someone could clarify that would be fantastic. I wouldn't want to respond in a manner not suitable for the site.

Irongut,

Do not provoke the Message Board God Crash. I am sure he will tell you if he left here that this board would come crashing down. Just like his omnipotent power did to the Trib site.

brothervad

Irongut
12-28-2010, 04:51 PM
Irongut,

Do not provoke the Message Board God Crash. I am sure he will tell you if he left here that this board would come crashing down. Just like his omnipotent power did to the Trib site.

brothervad

Brothervad,

That doesn't make much sense because message board god crash has his own site and all of about 5 followers. That's why he's here.

Irongut

Irongut
12-28-2010, 04:54 PM
Facts also show he mistreated the woman and did not act with respect.

How? By going out to dinner with her the following night, and offer to take her fly fishing/camping in Wyoming?

Ben's words/actions towards her, from the mouth of Andrea McNulty herself, prove his innocence.

You would have to have had a sexual history with women to understand the proper way to treat a lady. We all know you fail and lack the experience required in this regard.

Saying the television doesn't work, throwing her on the bed, spunking on her stomach, then telling her to get lost is not one of those.

Crash
12-28-2010, 04:55 PM
Irongut,

Do not provoke the Message Board God Crash. I am sure he will tell you if he left here that this board would come crashing down. Just like his omnipotent power did to the Trib site.

brothervad

Brothervad,

That doesn't make much sense because message board god crash has his own site and all of about 5 followers. That's why he's here.

Irongut

No, I'm here to discuss the Steelers. You are here to troll this site, a site you publicly bashed on StillerNation.

Bye now.

Irongut
12-28-2010, 04:59 PM
No, I'm here to discuss the Steelers. You are here to troll this site, a site you publicly bashed on StillerNation.

Bye now.

So how is calling someone names and asking if they are "high again?" discussing the steelers?

I would like to discuss the steelers but you seem to be not mentally equipped to do so in the proper manner.

brothervad
12-28-2010, 04:59 PM
Irongut,

Do not provoke the Message Board God Crash. I am sure he will tell you if he left here that this board would come crashing down. Just like his omnipotent power did to the Trib site.

brothervad

Brothervad,

That doesn't make much sense because message board god crash has his own site and all of about 5 followers. That's why he's here.

Irongut


IG,

I know...I should've put some sarcastic emoticons in my response. The guy is a legend in his own mind.

Everything you have said about him is spot on.

I am trying to ween myself away from responding to his pedantic rants but sometimes fail.

my general point still stands (from earlier in the thread)...at this point who really cares about the outcome of this trial (other than Crash).

Public Opinion on Ben is likely to change regardless of the decision people already believe what they want to believe about Ben.

I understand people post this because it's an article on a Steeler, but it really has little to do with the Steelers at this point and the worst at this point for Ben will be his out of pocket expenses.

His reputation (fair or unfair) has been established regardless of the outcome of this Civil case.

brothervad

Crash
12-28-2010, 05:01 PM
I understand people post this because it's an article on a Steeler, but it really has little to do with the Steelers at this point and the worst at this point for Ben will be his out of pocket expenses.

So you think it's mere coincidence that Ben gets blasted in the head with no calls?

I don't. I think the allegations turn NFL Refs into the morality police.

Irongut
12-28-2010, 05:02 PM
Irongut,

Do not provoke the Message Board God Crash. I am sure he will tell you if he left here that this board would come crashing down. Just like his omnipotent power did to the Trib site.

brothervad

Brothervad,

That doesn't make much sense because message board god crash has his own site and all of about 5 followers. That's why he's here.

Irongut


IG,

I know...I should've put some sarcastic emoticons in my response. The guy is a legend in his own mind.

Everything you have said about him is spot on.

I am trying to ween myself away from responding to his pedantic rants but sometimes fail.

my general point still stands (from earlier in the thread)...at this point who really cares about the outcome of this trial (other than Crash).

Public Opinion on Ben is likely to change regardless of the decision people already believe what they want to believe about Ben.

I understand people post this because it's an article on a Steeler, but it really has little to do with the Steelers at this point and the worst at this point for Ben will be his out of pocket expenses.

His reputation (fair or unfair) has been established regardless of the outcome of this Civil case.

brothervad
I totally agree. Ben place himself in both situations and enabled himself to be accussed of such actions.

My biggest issue is the people that choose to attack the women in these cases and expose them to slander when in reality both could be victims.

Irongut
12-28-2010, 05:05 PM
I understand people post this because it's an article on a Steeler, but it really has little to do with the Steelers at this point and the worst at this point for Ben will be his out of pocket expenses.

So you think it's mere coincidence that Ben gets blasted in the head with no calls?

I don't. I think the allegations turn NFL Refs into the morality police.

Yes, the NFL has mandated a bias against the Steelers. It is all one big conspiracy theory. You should lock yourself in your apartment and fear for the worst. Wait, you already do that. :loser

What is it that makes you so paranoid?

Crash
12-28-2010, 05:06 PM
My biggest issue is the people that choose to attack the women in these cases and expose them to slander when in reality both could be victims.

These two women aren't victims. They are liars.

The facts prove it.

Deal in them.

Irongut
12-28-2010, 05:11 PM
My biggest issue is the people that choose to attack the women in these cases and expose them to slander when in reality both could be victims.

These two women aren't victims. They are liars.

The facts prove it.

Deal in them.

Your versions of the facts prove it. The real facts do not.

The real facts show one case still pending and another woman who decided not to testify. That could have happened for a multitude of reasons. She doesn't remember, she doesn't want the persecution and exposure Ben's attorney's threatened, she was paid off, etc.

Crash
12-28-2010, 05:18 PM
Your versions of the facts prove it. The real facts do not.

Actually Andrea McNulty's version of the facts prove it.

She's too dumb to realize that you CAN retrieve emails and IMs from online services.

Her own words bury her and make her look foolish.

The GA case is even more laughable. Ben was accused of unprotected rape sex.

But somehow:

NO BEN DNA in the accuser.

A negative rape kit.

NO medical expert could determine that sexual intercourse of ANY KIND took place.

If you can POST, anything of fact that can dispute that? Knock yourself out.

Irongut
12-28-2010, 05:20 PM
Your versions of the facts prove it. The real facts do not.

Actually Andrea McNulty's version of the facts prove it.

She's too dumb to realize that you CAN retrieve emails and IMs from online services.

Her own words bury her and make her look foolish.

The GA case is even more laughable. Ben was accused of unprotected rape sex.

But somehow:

NO BEN DNA in the accuser.

A negative rape kit.

NO medical expert could determine that sexual intercourse of ANY KIND took place.

If you can POST, anything of fact that can dispute that? Knock yourself out.
Because a climax is not reached, does not mean the assault was not attempted. It is proven there was much tequila being drank that evening. If you had ever had sex in your life or ever tried after much tequila, even you would be able to see the problem that existed.

Crash
12-28-2010, 05:26 PM
Because a climax is not reached, does not mean the assault was not attempted.

She accused him of UNPROTECTED RAPE SEX.

Not attempted, not tried, she said he did it.

The evidence does not support her allegation.

That's why the DA admitted he didn't even have probable cause for an arrest.

FACTS.

Deal in them.

Irongut
12-28-2010, 05:32 PM
Because a climax is not reached, does not mean the assault was not attempted.

She accused him of UNPROTECTED RAPE SEX.

Not attempted, not tried, she said he did it.

The evidence does not support her allegation.

That's why the DA admitted he didn't even have probable cause for an arrest.

FACTS.

Deal in them.
Once again, I'll try. This time read it slower. I know you are a "40 year old virgin" so it will be hard for you to comprehend but try.

Sex does not equal climax. There were signs of vaginal penetration. Why they weren't severe or why there wasn't a climax to leave discoverable DNA is something neither I or you can answer.

Perhaps little ben couldn't rise to attention or perhaps little ben isn't like his nickname, big ben?

Focus, focus!

papillon
12-28-2010, 06:12 PM
Because a climax is not reached, does not mean the assault was not attempted.

She accused him of UNPROTECTED RAPE SEX.

Not attempted, not tried, she said he did it.

The evidence does not support her allegation.

That's why the DA admitted he didn't even have probable cause for an arrest.

FACTS.

Deal in them.
Once again, I'll try. This time read it slower. I know you are a "40 year old virgin" so it will be hard for you to comprehend but try.

Sex does not equal climax. There were signs of vaginal penetration. Why they weren't severe or why there wasn't a climax to leave discoverable DNA is something neither I or you can answer.

Perhaps little ben couldn't rise to attention or perhaps little ben isn't like his nickname, big ben?

Focus, focus!

If Ben came in direct contact with the woman he would have left DNA. Semen isn't the only way to obtain DNA and I'm certain that you know that. Hair, blood, skin cells, saliva, perspiration, tissue, organs and others contain DNA. Had Ben penetrated the woman even without ejaculation he would have left behind skin cells, hair, perspiration (potentially) which would have contained his DNA. Only a few cells of DNA are necessary to identify an individual. Ben gave his baseline sample and the forensics examiners were unable to identify Ben based on what they collected from the woman.

He may have acted like a rogue or a frat boy, but it's highly unlikely that he actually penetrated the woman. I believe she refused to have samples taken from her mouth. Had she felt assaulted to the point of pursuing this case I believe she would have dealt with the embarrassment of having a sample taken from her mouth.

Pappy

Flasteel
12-28-2010, 06:24 PM
My biggest issue is the people that choose to attack the women in these cases and expose them to slander when in reality both could be victims.

It's pretty evident that Crash's bias towards Ben renders his opinions on the subject meaningless. He is good for scouring the net for all shreds of evidence to support his arguments, but his love of all things Ben clouds every word he types.

That said, you don't have a clue as to what went on behind closed doors either. I appreciate that people shouldn't rush to judge anyone involved in these cases and start hurling insults. However, your feelings towards the women are starting to take on a supportive tone, while you are tossing a little vitriol towards our quarterback.

We all get that Ben put himself in a bad position. It was discussed here ad nauseam and put to bed a long time ago. If you're going to start making negative comments about Ben over this crap, then go somewhere else.

Quit crying over the rules of the board while your at it. :tt2

fezziwig
12-28-2010, 06:39 PM
My original opinion about this when the news came out was, Ben boinked some chick and she came up with a gold digging story.

When Ben ran into the other trouble it made me question the first story again but, I couldn't and can't get past the reports that McNulty was bragging about having selpt with Ben and was wishing to be pregnant by Ben. With this and her make believe boyfreinds and the negative stories of her not always telling the true story I, still beleive Ben is innocent in Nevada and in Georgia for that matter.
Ben was just stupid on both accounts and as far as I know, it's still not a crime to be stupid. I wish it was because maybe then, Arians would be tossed in jail and we could get a true OC.

siss
12-28-2010, 10:02 PM
As a women I feel like I have to defend these women. I feel like I should be on there side. But the truth is I am not. I am embarrassed that these women make these claims. Andrea McNulty waited a year, was online talking about how hot Ben is and wanted to "fix his TV" before it was broken. Im sorry I can't support that. It makes me sick that a women can make this claim against him.
As for Miss DTF, she is no victim in this case. She put herself in a bad situation as well. Im not saying her poor behavior invited her to be assaulted, but I do believe that she should have been smarter. They both should have. They both should have never gone back to the bathroom. And the idea that she was dragged back there is laughable. The whole thing laughable. They were both stupid, but Ben had more to lose.

Women use rape as an excuse for bad behavior all the time. Did you know that on most college campus's women will not get in trouble for underage drinking if they are sexually assaulted? Now in theory thats a good thing. She feels like she can come forward if something does happen to her. But sadly girls are using that claim to get out of being charged with under age drinking. It bothers me that women are not held accountable for there own behavior and its the guys fault automatically. It bothers me that women put themselves in these situation. And it bothers me that real victims of rape and assault are diminished and cheapened and people have this idea that rape is just rough sex. Its not, its so much more. Its a despicable crime and if women want to be taken seriously they have to stop using it as an excuse.

phillyesq
12-28-2010, 10:38 PM
You high again?

McNulty is disturbed, she was so "stressed" that she went out to dinner with Ben the night after he nailed her.

Like I said, facts show she tried to blackmail Harrah's first, facts also show that her own words months prior to the lawsuit being filed that Ben didn't rape her.

When she can't answer how she knew 24 hours BEFORE Ben did, that Ben's TV in his suite was broken, this case will be quickly dismissed.

Crash, I hate to break it to you, but this case isn't going to be dismissed quickly. I say this not because I believe that there is merit to McNulty's allegations, but simply because of the way the legal system works.

The affidavits submitted by Ben's lawyer (in a pleading regarding venue) were submitted to sway the court of public opinion more than a court of law. I'm not going to get into all the legalese, but the Court doesn't weigh evidence - a jury does - and the case is unlikely to be dismissed by the Court.

Irongut
12-28-2010, 11:34 PM
My biggest issue is the people that choose to attack the women in these cases and expose them to slander when in reality both could be victims.

It's pretty evident that Crash's bias towards Ben renders his opinions on the subject meaningless. He is good for scouring the net for all shreds of evidence to support his arguments, but his love of all things Ben clouds every word he types.

That said, you don't have a clue as to what went on behind closed doors either. I appreciate that people shouldn't rush to judge anyone involved in these cases and start hurling insults. However, your feelings towards the women are starting to take on a supportive tone, while you are tossing a little vitriol towards our quarterback.

We all get that Ben put himself in a bad position. It was discussed here ad nauseam and put to bed a long time ago. If you're going to start making negative comments about Ben over this crap, then go somewhere else.

Quit crying over the rules of the board while your at it. :tt2
You're right, I don't know. Neither do you. That's why I stated many times I don't feel the need to verbally attack a woman and call her names. For all we know, Ben may have tried to force himself on her while the bodyguard blocked the door or hallway, as has been reported, and tequila wang got the best of him or he'd be wearing stainless steel bracelets right now. I don't, however, think Ben went back to the bathroom and told his bodyguard to watch access so he could discuss how they should approach a second date and to be a gentleman.

I have defended Ben and the suspension but he's a scumbag. That much I am sure of. He fell into the trap of he's "big ben" and he just takes what he wants. It's almost burned him at least once, maybe twice so far. He's very lucky imo.

MeetJoeGreene
12-28-2010, 11:48 PM
You all realize that Irongut = S43 right?

And he does trash this site on Stillernation.

And he will create 80 page threads.

Flasteel
12-29-2010, 12:48 AM
You all realize that Irongut = S43 right?

And he does trash this site on Stillernation.

And he will create 80 page threads.

Ahh...our boy 420. No wonder Crash was invoking the toking.

Come back with your BS in the offseason 420...we'll have fun with you then. :D

Crash
12-29-2010, 12:55 AM
Sex does not equal climax. There were signs of vaginal penetration.

No, there was signs of vaginal bruising, which they could not determine where it came from.

Also DA Bright failed to comment when asked, if Miss DTF had sex days prior, or earlier in the day before she met Ben. DA Bright also, failed to include in the GBI packet, the 30 text messages Miss DTF sent out in an hour after meeting Ben.

Bright got hoodwinked, rather than admit that, he lashed out at Ben to justify their BS investigation spearheaded by a BS accusation.

If Ben was inside her at ANY TIME, he would have left a sample big enough to get a DNA sample and he would be awaiting trial because he DENIED they ever had sex.

Ben's a great QB, but he can't alter science.

hawaiiansteel
12-29-2010, 01:04 AM
You all realize that Irongut = S43 right?

And he does trash this site on Stillernation.




what negative thing could anyone possibly say about Planet Steelers? :Boobs

siss
12-29-2010, 01:19 AM
No, there was signs of vaginal bruising, which they could not determine where it came from.

Boys your man parts aren't the only thing that cause tearing down there.

skyhawk
12-29-2010, 02:53 AM
Sex does not equal climax. There were signs of vaginal penetration.

No, there was signs of vaginal bruising, which they could not determine where it came from.

Also DA Bright failed to comment when asked, if Miss DTF had sex days prior, or earlier in the day before she met Ben. DA Bright also, failed to include in the GBI packet, the 30 text messages Miss DTF sent out in an hour after meeting Ben.

Bright got hoodwinked, rather than admit that, he lashed out at Ben to justify their BS investigation spearheaded by a BS accusation.

If Ben was inside her at ANY TIME, he would have left a sample big enough to get a DNA sample and he would be awaiting trial because he DENIED they ever had sex.

Ben's a great QB, but he can't alter science.

Um, I thought Ben never denied having some sort of sexual contact but said it was consensual and that she hit her head. He admitted to contact and doing nothing wrong from the beginning right? Or has the story now changed?

Scarletfire1970
12-29-2010, 08:47 AM
As a women I feel like I have to defend these women. I feel like I should be on there side. But the truth is I am not. I am embarrassed that these women make these claims. Andrea McNulty waited a year, was online talking about how hot Ben is and wanted to "fix his TV" before it was broken. Im sorry I can't support that. It makes me sick that a women can make this claim against him.
As for Miss DTF, she is no victim in this case. She put herself in a bad situation as well. Im not saying her poor behavior invited her to be assaulted, but I do believe that she should have been smarter. They both should have. They both should have never gone back to the bathroom. And the idea that she was dragged back there is laughable. The whole thing laughable. They were both stupid, but Ben had more to lose.

Women use rape as an excuse for bad behavior all the time. Did you know that on most college campus's women will not get in trouble for underage drinking if they are sexually assaulted? Now in theory thats a good thing. She feels like she can come forward if something does happen to her. But sadly girls are using that claim to get out of being charged with under age drinking. It bothers me that women are not held accountable for there own behavior and its the guys fault automatically. It bothers me that women put themselves in these situation. And it bothers me that real victims of rape and assault are diminished and cheapened and people have this idea that rape is just rough sex. Its not, its so much more. Its a despicable crime and if women want to be taken seriously they have to stop using it as an excuse.

Good post. Didn't realize that college girls are using it as a means to get out of an underage drinking charge. They are ruining other peoples lives for a mistake they make. Not just the guy they are accusing but other women who are actually sexually assaulted. How selfish.

Oviedo
12-29-2010, 10:48 AM
As a women I feel like I have to defend these women. I feel like I should be on there side. But the truth is I am not. I am embarrassed that these women make these claims. Andrea McNulty waited a year, was online talking about how hot Ben is and wanted to "fix his TV" before it was broken. Im sorry I can't support that. It makes me sick that a women can make this claim against him.
As for Miss DTF, she is no victim in this case. She put herself in a bad situation as well. Im not saying her poor behavior invited her to be assaulted, but I do believe that she should have been smarter. They both should have. They both should have never gone back to the bathroom. And the idea that she was dragged back there is laughable. The whole thing laughable. They were both stupid, but Ben had more to lose.

Women use rape as an excuse for bad behavior all the time. Did you know that on most college campus's women will not get in trouble for underage drinking if they are sexually assaulted? Now in theory thats a good thing. She feels like she can come forward if something does happen to her. But sadly girls are using that claim to get out of being charged with under age drinking. It bothers me that women are not held accountable for there own behavior and its the guys fault automatically. It bothers me that women put themselves in these situation. And it bothers me that real victims of rape and assault are diminished and cheapened and people have this idea that rape is just rough sex. Its not, its so much more. Its a despicable crime and if women want to be taken seriously they have to stop using it as an excuse.

Good post. Didn't realize that college girls are using it as a means to get out of an underage drinking charge. They are ruining other peoples lives for a mistake they make. Not just the guy they are accusing but other women who are actually sexually assaulted. How selfish.

Sorority sluts are not credible witnesses. It probably took the police and the prosecutors office about 1 minute after interviewing the girls involved that they had gotten together and "got their stories straight." It is pretty easy to do when there is consistent reuse of terms and recounting of events are too exact.

Ghost
12-29-2010, 11:00 AM
Police: Can you describe the man in question
DTF: He was 6'5" and 248 pounds
Police: That's the exact size listed on NFL.com?
DTF: ummmm, what.....

Yeah, nothing fishy about that!

And anyone who saw that DA in hicksville, GA knows he had a multi week hard on just thinking about prosecuting this case and getting his name in the press. The fact he admitted there was no evidence to even charge him tells me all I need to know. He was DYING to prosecute. NO evidence and a different telling of the story every time it was recounted. Ben's a lout but there's not one shred of evidence he's anything more than that.

Crash
12-29-2010, 11:09 AM
Um, I thought Ben never denied having some sort of sexual contact but said it was consensual and that she hit her head. He admitted to contact and doing nothing wrong from the beginning right? Or has the story now changed?

Ben DENIED intercourse taking place.

He ADMITTED there was sexual contact.

Also, as another poster mentioned, Miss DTF and Family DTF stopped talking to police once they requested DNA samples from inside her mouth.

ikestops85
12-29-2010, 11:13 AM
Hey, did anyone hear that the Steelers are in the playoffs? :Boobs

:tt2 :tt2

RuthlessBurgher
12-29-2010, 02:42 PM
Police: Can you describe the man in question
DTF: He was 6'5" and 248 pounds
Police: That's the exact size listed on NFL.com?
DTF: ummmm, what.....

Yeah, nothing fishy about that!

And anyone who saw that DA in hicksville, GA knows he had a multi week hard on just thinking about prosecuting this case and getting his name in the press. The fact he admitted there was no evidence to even charge him tells me all I need to know. He was DYING to prosecute. NO evidence and a different telling of the story every time it was recounted. Ben's a lout but there's not one shred of evidence he's anything more than that.

What if they did the same official NFL.com height/weight thing with Casey Hampton?

DTF: He was 6'1" and 325 pounds.
Police: This can't be the same guy. Hampton's at least 365. On a good day.

Ghost
12-29-2010, 02:57 PM
Police: Can you describe the man in question
DTF: He was 6'5" and 248 pounds
Police: That's the exact size listed on NFL.com?
DTF: ummmm, what.....

Yeah, nothing fishy about that!

And anyone who saw that DA in hicksville, GA knows he had a multi week hard on just thinking about prosecuting this case and getting his name in the press. The fact he admitted there was no evidence to even charge him tells me all I need to know. He was DYING to prosecute. NO evidence and a different telling of the story every time it was recounted. Ben's a lout but there's not one shred of evidence he's anything more than that.

What if they did the same official NFL.com height/weight thing with Casey Hampton?

DTF: He was 6'1" and 325 pounds.
Police: This can't be the same guy. Hampton's at least 365. On a good day.

Makes my point perfectly. These girls had researched Ben. NO ONE guesses 248 and it just happens to be the exact stats listed for him on line. One of the girls had already been thrown out of the VIP room for mentioning the NV case. They knew what was going on and had planned this out.

Crash
12-29-2010, 02:58 PM
One of the girls in their group was a Steelers fan.

The Answer
12-29-2010, 04:02 PM
The only thing I can say Crash, and I've said it a couple months ago, is what are the odds that two different women, in two different cities, could concoct the same accusations. I like everyone else admit I don't know what happened, but it just doesn't look good for him. I'm sure he's fighting admitting the other accusation into evidence, but if it's allowed, I don't think he'll win.

The Answer
12-29-2010, 04:03 PM
By the way Crash. Your theory on why the refs don't make those calls for Ben provokes some thought.

Crash
12-29-2010, 04:10 PM
The only thing I can say Crash, and I've said it a couple months ago, is what are the odds that two different women, in two different cities, could concoct the same accusations.

The knew of Ben's situation. One was removed from the VIP room for mentioning Reno.

Do you guys really think, that mere minutes after being called a rapist, that Ben would try to rape someone?