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SanAntonioSteelerFan
11-22-2010, 01:41 PM
" ... for egregious errors in calling plays, fines, penalties, etc.".

I would, if I were the NFLPA rep, say I refuse to sign the next CBA unless that clause were in there. Only then will things settle down a bit (see: Travesty, Week 10, Steelers-Raiders).

Oh, and the judges of this would be ONLY player reps.

But more realistically, I hope ARII goes after Goodell big time, and lets his players know that - "I've got your back, boys"-kind of leadership.

Did Tomlin really pull out the hand-clap on some of those f*'d up penalties? I'm disappointed to hear that ...

RuthlessBurgher
11-22-2010, 03:08 PM
I think this photo pretty much sums up Tomlin's reaction to the officiating yesterday:

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/canon_10_wk_11_04.jpg

SanAntonioSteelerFan
11-22-2010, 03:13 PM
I think this photo pretty much sums up Tomlin's reaction to the officiating yesterday:

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/canon_10_wk_11_04.jpg

OK, so maybe the "hand-clap" I read he did after a f*'d up penalty was just his saying: "Hmm, if I put the ref's head right HERE, and then if I clap real hard HERE ...".

For the rest of the sentence, please see, "Scanners, film, 1986".

msp26505
11-22-2010, 03:19 PM
I forget which one (there were so many), but there were a couple of instance where they showed Tomlin clapping after a highly questionable penalty.

I understand the idea. He is saying to his players..."it's OK...let's not lose our composure, just get them on the next play". I get it, really.

But as counterproductive as some think it may have been, I also wanted there to be some visible anger. It's the same thing as John Russell sitting there silently while the bucs lose 105 games. When do you say, "enough is enough" and scream at SOMEONE.

BATMAN
11-22-2010, 03:42 PM
Tomlin better watch himself screaming at the officials, after all he, is not Tom Brady.

feltdizz
11-22-2010, 03:44 PM
I forget which one (there were so many), but there were a couple of instance where they showed Tomlin clapping after a highly questionable penalty.

I understand the idea. He is saying to his players..."it's OK...let's not lose our composure, just get them on the next play". I get it, really.

But as counterproductive as some think it may have been, I also wanted there to be some visible anger. It's the same thing as John Russell sitting there silently while the bucs lose 105 games. When do you say, "enough is enough" and scream at SOMEONE.

Keeping your composure when up 21-3 and stomping on your opponent is a little different that Russell sitting silent while losing 100 games.

Just a little bit different.

I think Cowher in the Colts playoff game was a perfect example of how you beat a team and the refs. He had our D ready to take the field regardless of the refs call.

When your coach cries about the call.. players will too and you end up looking like the Ratbirds... they always let the refs calls get to them personally and they usually lose those games.

jj28west
11-22-2010, 07:30 PM
Tomlin better watch himself screaming at the officials, after all he, is not Tom Brady.

Did you see him lay into a ref. and chew his a$$ about something during the victory formation against Indy?

Un-Fn-believable that he gets away with that.

BATMAN
11-22-2010, 09:56 PM
I'm telling you, he gets away with it every game. I'm sure he is yelling something like,


THAT GUY ALMOST TOUCHED ME !

or


DON'T ALLOW THE SCORE TO REMAIN SO CLOSE !


maybe


HEY, WE DON"T HAVE OUR CAMERAS, GOODELL PROMISED US ANOTHER SUPER BOWL YEAR, WHERE"S THE HELP !

flippy
11-22-2010, 11:24 PM
TOmlin clearly follows the example Dungy set for him, not Gruden.

fezziwig
11-23-2010, 09:15 AM
Bellicheat and Brady despite being good at what they do, have shown no class during the games, after the games and add the cheating, not a very good NFL example that Goodell is trying to shove down the viewers throats. Freakin liberal.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
11-23-2010, 09:51 AM
Bellicheat and Brady despite being good at what they do, have shown no class during the games, after the games and add the cheating, not a very good NFL example that Goodell is trying to shove down the viewers throats. Freakin liberal.

Gee, fezz, now that I think about it, it seems to me they are acting exactly like conservatives!

Hmm, maybe posting this kind of stuff should be done somewhere else.

RuthlessBurgher
11-23-2010, 11:25 AM
Bellicheat and Brady despite being good at what they do, have shown no class during the games, after the games and add the cheating, not a very good NFL example that Goodell is trying to shove down the viewers throats. Freakin liberal.

Gee, fezz, now that I think about it, it seems to me they are acting exactly like conservatives!

Hmm, maybe posting this kind of stuff should be done somewhere else.

Let's just agree and say Goodell, Belichick, and Brady are all communists and move on. :wink:

proudpittsburgher
11-23-2010, 11:34 AM
I have zero problem with how Mike Tomlin handles the referee travesties of this year. He has made it very clear, both publically and away from the cameras, that he has his team's back.

BATMAN
11-23-2010, 10:32 PM
conservatives usually stand for the old fashion ways. that's how i always felt about the title.

i agree with the liberal dig. make everything happy, overlook the ones that worked to gain their earnings. goodell equals a tree hugger.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
11-23-2010, 11:03 PM
conservatives usually stand for the old fashion ways. that's how i always felt about the title.

i agree with the liberal dig. make everything happy, overlook the ones that worked to gain their earnings. goodell equals a tree hugger.

Lots of good things about "old fashioned ways", and lots of bad things too, depending on who you are. I think, for example, senior citizens would rather not go back to the bad old days (1960s) before that "socialist" program called Medicare was enacted. And some blacks might have a bit of a problem going back to that same era as well.

I equate the term nowadays to mean someone that is cynically willing to ruin the country so the very wealthiest can get even wealthier. Like mortgaging our children's and grandchildren's future (assuming you're middle class or lower) to give tax breaks for billionaires that will result in ruinous deficits for decades to come. That's what I think of when I hear conservative. Sure, they have worked to gain their earnings, but last time I looked I thought we all were also were our brother's keeper. Surely they can "spare a dime".

I'll just say I think of Goodell as a nice example of the worst that America has to offer - ruining the beauty of the game so that he can get more $$ for the owners by making it a "Beauty Queen" league with Brady, Rivers, Manning and the like being the poster boys. No room for people who play the game the hard old fashioned way like the Steelers, "ugly" boys like Harrison and Roethlisberger.

So no, not like a tree hugger, though "conservation" is something pretty good, IMO. More like a conservative, a 3rd world Manuel Noriega-type dictator who runs the country only for the elite, not us fans.

So, now if people stop hijacking this thread to bring this cr*p up in the 1st place, maybe we can just talk about things we joined this forum for. :wink:

papillon
11-23-2010, 11:13 PM
Careful fellas we have other forums for these discussions. I'll get this one back on track and hope that you'll do the same and take your political debate to the appropriate forum.

Lets hope the NFLPA has something to say at some point in this disaster known as Roger Goodell's NFL. They have been eerily silent up to this point.

Pappy

SanAntonioSteelerFan
11-23-2010, 11:27 PM
Careful fellas we have other forums for these discussions. I'll get this one back on track and hope that you'll do the same and take your political debate to the appropriate forum.

Lets hope the NFLPA has something to say at some point in this disaster known as Roger Goodell's NFL. They have been eerily silent up to this point.

Pappy

Pap - I don't have any desire to have these discussions on this forum, or any other forum for that matter. My topic title didn't say, "Put Your Political BS Comments Here", and I don't start these things. At the same time, I don't think on this forum I have to sit and read political stuff I disagree with and just let it sit there.

Much better if people just stick to the topic at hand. That can get "interesting" enough without mixing politics (or religion) into it!

Thanks for your comments, Pap. I'll put you and Ruth in for that Nobel Peace Prize that apparently is going unclaimed this year!

Resolved: Goodell .... S*CKS!!!

hawaiiansteel
11-24-2010, 12:12 AM
Let's just agree and say Goodell, Belichick, and Brady are all communists and move on. :wink:


that's an insult to Communists everywhere.... :)

fezziwig
11-24-2010, 09:36 AM
I wasn't trying to start a political debate. Just saying, Goodell is like a liberal, doesn't live in the real world.

Conservative to me means, working hard to gain what you have. Not being flashy, no chest pounding but just old fashion values of what the NFL used to be like. I can only go back to the very late sixties , very early seventies to reflect upon my first look at the NFL. I remember these players being rough and tough and most of the flags they throw today would not have been back then. You had your characters, cry babies, role models and what have you but, never a smuck like Goodell to screw things up.

The guy is a cancer to this league, I should have just said that from the start.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
11-24-2010, 12:09 PM
I wasn't trying to start a political debate. Just saying, Goodell is like a liberal, doesn't live in the real world.

Conservative to me means, working hard to gain what you have. Not being flashy, no chest pounding but just old fashion values of what the NFL used to be like. I can only go back to the very late sixties , very early seventies to reflect upon my first look at the NFL. I remember these players being rough and tough and most of the flags they throw today would not have been back then. You had your characters, cry babies, role models and what have you but, never a smuck like Goodell to screw things up.

The guy is a cancer to this league, I should have just said that from the start.

There you go again, talking politics on a Steeler forum. Since you laid it out there, I'll just tell you I think you got it bass-ackwards again, dude. Goodell is like a conservative, the only thing important is making the very wealthiest (owners) even wealthier, on the backs of the little guy (the fans). Kapisch?

Now, like I said before, if you'll stop coloring your Steeler fandom in this forum with your politics, we can leave this cr*p behind. Let's just agree Goodell is a cancer to this league (though, as suggested above, that is an insult to cancer).

RuthlessBurgher
11-24-2010, 01:24 PM
Let's just agree and say Goodell, Belichick, and Brady are all communists and move on. :wink:


that's an insult to Communists everywhere.... :)

I doubt that Karl Marx ever wore hoodie sweatshirts with the sleeves ripped off or had a Justin Bieber hairdo. :lol:

birtikidis
11-24-2010, 03:36 PM
Here, let me finish the arguement for you. Politicians are A$$holes regardless of political affiliation. the average American is uneducated to the basic political fundamentals and the government likes "stupid happy people".

back on topic. When are we gonna see some of these refs replaced? I mean, they're not full time workers, so I would assume that they could dredge a few up from somewhere.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
11-24-2010, 04:03 PM
Here, let me finish the arguement for you. Politicians are A$$holes regardless of political affiliation. the average American is uneducated to the basic political fundamentals and the government likes "stupid happy people".

back on topic. When are we gonna see some of these refs replaced? I mean, they're not full time workers, so I would assume that they could dredge a few up from somewhere.

I agree, they should be tossed out back on the trash.

But ... what if they are doing exactly what they are told to do ... scr*w the Steelers, on orders from Goodell?

I've never been a conspiracy theorist before, but last weekend made me wonder. And apparently, some other more impartial media figures are wondering as well, including the NFL mini-me's over at ESPN.

hawaiiansteel
11-25-2010, 11:02 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers done wrong by NFL

http://static.foxsports.com/content/fscom//img/2010/11/21/730_20101121185621_660_320.JPG

Oakland's Richard Seymour leaves the field after being ejected for hitting Ben Roethlisberger...

Alex Marvez is a Senior NFL Writer for FOXSports.com. He's covered the NFL for the past 16 seasons as a beat writer and is the former president of the Pro Football Writers of America.


James Harrison is curious.

If he could amass $100,000 in fines this season for what the league deemed illegal hits, what type of punishment should Oakland defensive tackle Richard Seymour receive for walloping Pittsburgh’s Ben Roethlisberger squarely in the facemask during a touchdown celebration?

“I hope he would hear from the league a lot worse than what I did,” Harrison said Sunday after Pittsburgh’s 35-3 rout of the Raiders. “I’m playing the game within the whistles. What he did was way outside of it.”

Seymour was ejected for a blow that came after Roethlisberger completed a 22-yard touchdown pass to Emmanuel Sanders. While celebrating with his offensive linemen, Roethlisberger bumped into Seymour’s back. Seymour, 6 feet 6, 310 pounds, responded by pivoting and flooring Roethlisberger with a right hand.

“When it’s physical like that, sometimes you have things where he says something and I say something and you start doing last-minute shoving after the whistle,” said Steelers left guard Chris Kemoeatu, who became engaged in a pull-apart tussle with Seymour in the first quarter. “It gets bad from there.

“I think that’s what happened. He just exploded.”

Roethlisberger was groggy when assisted to the sidelines but didn’t miss any snaps.

“It blew my mind,” he said.

Seymour did offer reporters an apology en route to the team bus. Seymour, though, seemed more concerned about hurting the Raiders (5-5) than any damage done to Roethlisberger, who had suffered a serious head injury in a 2006 motorcycle accident.

“There was a lot ongoing,” said Seymour, a 10-year NFL veteran and Raiders captain. “You’re out there to protect yourself. But, still, no excuse. I’m not sure exactly what happened on the play. I just turned around and he just ran up on me quick. It was just a natural reaction.”

That excuse probably wouldn’t fly with the NFL, let alone Harrison. Asked whether Seymour’s action warranted a suspension, the fiery Steelers outside linebacker didn’t hesitate.

“I don’t see why not,” he said. “The guy’s celebrating with his teammates and you punch him in his face.”

Harrison is right. Seymour should be forced to miss next Sunday’s home game against Miami and pay a six-figure fine for such a blatant disregard of the rules.

If that doesn’t happen, it would add to the belief inside Pittsburgh’s locker room that the Steelers are being unfairly targeted by the NFL as part of the league’s player-safety push.

Trust me: The Steelers have every reason to feel paranoid after Sunday’s officiating debacle.

The referees made the correct calls on most of the 14 infractions that resulted in a Steelers franchise-record 163 penalty yards. But the ones Tony Corrente and his crew missed were bad enough for the Steelers to publicly wonder whether there is a bias, especially with Oakland’s being flagged a far more modest seven times for 55 yards.

“You look at some of the things that happened on the field with their defensive guys and no penalty being called,” Harrison said. “I believe if that were to happen the other way and it was our defense doing that, there would have been a lot more penalties called. They may have even kicked five or six of us out of the game.”

A harbinger of how the game would be called came on Oakland’s second play. Steelers outside linebacker LaMarr Woodley — fresh off being fined $12,500 for last Sunday’s blow to the head of New England quarterback Tom Brady — got whistled for a late hit on Oakland’s Jason Campbell.

“You’re running at a guy full speed. It’s kind of hard to slow down,” said Woodley, who raised his hands in a non-tackling position while colliding with Campbell. “I didn’t drill the guy. I was trying to ease up off him. I bonked him a little bit, and there’s a little flopping going on. The guy flopped.”

Even if the NFL ultimately rules that the penalty was justified, the officials clearly whiffed on the next drive when citing free safety Ryan Clark for a helmet-to-helmet shot on wide receiver Louis Murphy. Not only did replays show he nailed Murphy squarely in the back, but Clark also said he suffered a stinger after shifting to hit with his shoulder rather than helmet.

“There are a lot of penalties that you just have to shake your head,” Woodley said.

I’m amazed Harrison’s head didn’t swivel all the way around “Exorcist”-style in the third quarter. A Steelers interception return for a touchdown was nullified when Harrison was tagged with a personal-foul penalty for an even less egregious hit on Campbell than the one Woodley delivered.

“There’s nothing I could have done differently on that sack,” said Harrison, who added he never received an explanation from the officials on why he was flagged. “It was a good, clean hit. I wrapped and when I went to the ground, I put my arms out to try and stop myself so I wouldn’t land with my full force on him.

“What else do you want me to do? He laid there on the ground. After two or three seconds, I guess the ref looked at it and decided, ‘It’s got to be a penalty.’”

That type of mentality, if true, is disconcerting.

“Right now, it’s a game where the referees have to be on edge,” Clark said. “It’s kind of ‘Make the call first, review it later.’”

Earlier this month, Harrison met with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and expressed his concerns about fines he was levied as well as what he believes is an excessive crackdown on borderline hits. Harrison still says the league office isn’t represented by enough former players. Even having an ex-safety (Merton Hanks) as the NFL’s director of football operations isn’t enough for Harrison.

“He played the game so many years ago,” Harrison said of Hanks, who retired in 1999. “No disrespect, but the game is a lot faster now than when he played. He plays a different position. I play linebacker.

“Things happen a lot faster when you’re closer to the line of scrimmage than when you’re a safety like him far away. You have time to adjust and decide where you’re going to hit a guy. When you’re right there, it’s ‘Bang! Bang!’ You don’t have time to readjust.”

The Steelers don’t have time to readjust the way they play defense. Nor do they want to. Woodley, Clark and Harrison all said the threat of a fine won’t influence their hard-hitting style.

Harrison led Pittsburgh’s dominating effort with two sacks, two quarterback hurries, five tackles and an interception. With the heat Harrison and the Steelers were bringing, Campbell should feel lucky he was replaced by backup Bruce Gradkowski in the third quarter.

I’m not one of those folks who claims the NFL is becoming flag football and quarterbacks may as well wear skirts. The league should take steps to shield players from unnecessary head injuries. We don’t need another group of brain-damaged players from generations when safeguards weren’t sufficiently in place or enforced.

However, this is football. There is an inherent injury risk even if players are encased in bubble wrap.

Officials must find a happy medium that provides protection while also allowing the defense to do its job. Corrente and his crew failed in that regard.

Fortunately, Pittsburgh (7-3) didn’t let the zebras get in the way of Sunday’s blowout. Had that happened, the Steelers would have had an even shorter temper than Seymour.

“If you know you’re not a dirty player or out there to hurt guys and go helmet to helmet, you have to continue doing what you’ve been doing since you’ve been in the league and before these rules ended up being interpreted the way that they are,” Clark said.

“We know how they’re calling it and what they’re doing. We’ve just got to keep playing.”

Even if that means paying the price in fines and flags.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Pittsburgh-Steelers-treated-wrong-by-NFL-112110