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hawaiiansteel
11-21-2010, 08:23 PM
did it really make sense to trade Santokio to one of our main AFC rivals for only a 5th round draft pick? if we don't win the AFC North outright now we might get edged out by either the Jets or Patriots for a wild-card berth.

guess the answer to that is to make sure we win our own division, but I think we pulled the trigger too early on the Sanstonio trade. we could have shipped him off to an NFC team or perhaps gotten a higher pick elsewhere...



Holmes delivers cardiac Jets another late win

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Nailbiting, racing hearts and stunning comebacks.

They're all in the playbook lately for the New York Jets.

Santonio Holmes caught a 6-yard touchdown pass from Mark Sanchez with 10 seconds left, lifting the Jets to an unlikely 30-27 comeback victory over the Houston Texans on Sunday.

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"I want to apologize to all the Jets fans for affecting the heart a little bit," coach Rex Ryan said. "But we'll take the win."

Especially since it appeared the Jets were on their way to a heartbreaking loss.

"We don't think we're ever out of it at all," tight end Dustin Keller said. "We tick ourselves off when we put ourselves in those situations, but we know that we're always capable of coming back in any game in any situation."

They've certainly proven that during the last three weeks with consecutive overtime wins on the road and now a victory that appeared improbable.

"I swear it's like `Groundhog Day," a beaming Sanchez said.

After blowing a 16-point lead in the fourth quarter, the Jets (8-2) trailed 27-23 with less than a minute left. But Sanchez completed two passes to LaDainian Tomlinson and then had a pretty 42-yard toss to Braylon Edwards with 16 seconds remaining. Edwards was knocked out of bounds by Eugene Wilson, stopping the clock and giving the Jets a chance to win.

On the next play, Sanchez coolly found Holmes streaking into the left corner of the end zone for the winning score, sending the New Meadowlands Stadium crowd into a frenzy.
"It's just me playing football," Holmes said.

A video replay confirmed that Holmes, whose 37-yard touchdown catch won it in overtime at Cleveland last week and set up the win at Detroit with a 52-yard reception in OT, got both feet in bounds.

"We're cutting it awfully close," Sanchez said. "I don't think anybody has any finger nails left if they're a Jets fan."

The Jets were coming off becoming the first team to win consecutive overtime games on the road, and looked as though they were going to fall to 2/3 at home.

But it was another heartbreaking loss for the Texans (4-6), who fell last week on a desperation heave as time expired at Jacksonville. Two weeks ago, Houston lost to San Diego on a late interception after driving for a potential go-ahead score in the fourth quarter.

"We deserve better in these last three games," Texans defensive end Mario Williams said. "We were there. Everything is there and we're doing great and all of a sudden, we let the big play go. It's unheard of. We just keep having it happen to us."

It seemed Houston was in good shape in this one as Arian Foster scored a questionable go-ahead 1-yard touchdown with 2:18 remaining.

Foster, the NFL's leading rusher, was hit at the goal line but reached out as he landed on a teammate and the ball broke the plane for a touchdown. Ryan challenged the call, thinking Foster was down, but the play was upheld after replay review.

Neil Rackers kicked a 22-yard field goal with 55 seconds to go after Sanchez was intercepted by Kevin Bentley -- sending thousands of fans to the exits.

For those who stayed, they were treated to another incredible ending.

"If I have to apologize for it every week from here on out, I will," Ryan said, "all the way to the Super Bowl."

Sanchez finished 22 for 38 for 315 yards and three touchdowns, including two to Holmes and one to Edwards. Holmes finished with seven catches for 126 yards.

New York gets back to work quickly, with another home game Thursday night against Cincinnati.

Foster had 84 yards rushing and two touchdown runs. Matt Schaub, starting after being hospitalized Tuesday night with a knee injury, threw for 254 yards and a touchdown to Joel Dreessen.

"I'm still searching for the adjective for how I would describe it," Schaub said. "It's tough to deal with."

The Jets went up 20-7 on Holmes' 41-yard touchdown catch with 4:38 remaining in the third quarter.

The score came moments after a man jumped onto the field and dashed across the turf for about 80 yards before tripping and then being jumped on by several security officers, including two New Jersey State troopers. He was handcuffed and led away from the field.

Nick Folk kicked a 30-yard field goal to make it 23-7 and giving the Jets what appeared to be a comfortable lead with 9 seconds into the fourth quarter.

Houston then began its comeback with Rackers' 38-yard field goal with 12:21 that made it 23-10.

The Texans also took advantage of a fumble by Shonn Greene, scoring immediately after Brian Cushing knocked the ball loose and Bentley recovered. Schaub found Dreessen wide open down the left sideline and the big tight end ran into the end zone untouched for a 43-yard touchdown that made it 23-17 with 9:14 left.

"It was a great comeback, then we let it slip away," Texans owner Bob McNair said. "When it's going tough, you've got to step up. They stepped up. We didn't. They are all painful."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=301121020C and The Associated Press

AkronSteel
11-21-2010, 10:42 PM
I don't think it is really that big of a deal. This team controls it's own destiny, including playing those same Jets in the Burgh in December. If this squad takes care of it's business then all will be forgotten and we will be home for the playoffs, at least for 1 divisional game!!!

chiken
11-21-2010, 11:06 PM
Holmes is a good/great player but why does every-time he do something good we have to suggest that our season is doomed. He is not an offensive lineman or a Defense Back.. and more importantly he is not an offensive coordinator...

Cant we just be happy for the guy and be satisfied with our team..

If the Jets lost to the PAt's next week then guess what, shoe is on the other foot for them..

steelblood
11-21-2010, 11:57 PM
I miss holmes.

Steelers>NFL
11-22-2010, 09:36 AM
Steelers control their own destiny in the WC or Division chase.
Not the Jets. Stupid for anyone to even think this.

Oviedo
11-22-2010, 09:42 AM
Steelers control their own destiny in the WC or Division chase.
Not the Jets. Stupid for anyone to even think this.

:Agree When we start relying on the actions of others to make the play offs then we don't deserve to make the play offs.

hawaiiansteel
11-22-2010, 02:25 PM
fortunately, the AFC South and West divisions are very weak and it's unlikely a WC will come from there.

this leaves the Pats, Jets, Ravens ans Steelers as the most probable teams to win the AFC East and North with the other two teams being the WC.

the best scenario would be for us to beat the Ravens and the Jets and receive a first-round bye and let our injuries heal for a week. :tt2

aggiebones
11-22-2010, 03:54 PM
This was the big play:



After blowing a 16-point lead in the fourth quarter, the Jets (8-2) trailed 27-23 with less than a minute left. But Sanchez completed two passes to LaDainian Tomlinson and then had a pretty 42-yard toss to Braylon Edwards with 16 seconds remaining. Edwards was knocked out of bounds by Eugene Wilson, stopping the clock and giving the Jets a chance to win.


And only because Houston is bad. 20 seconds from the 50 needing a TD and they get it solely because Houston couldn't understand the prevent. The ONE time I advocate a PREVENT!!!!

Do not give up 42 yr passes down the sideline. Yikes. With 24 seconds, that equates to maybe 5 plays max. Pathetic D.

RuthlessBurgher
11-22-2010, 04:26 PM
Everyone and their mother is praising Mark #&@%ing Sanchez this morning as if he were the next great QB god. People don't seem to realize that they were playing the Houston #&@%ing Texans yesterday. I could throw on the d@mn Texans with relative ease. They are the only team to have given up over 3000 yards through the air at this point in the season. They have given up 25 passing TD's and only have 6 INT's. The average passer rating of quarterbacks in games against Houston this season is a ridiculous 109.2. They are the worst pass D in the NFL by far, and it is not even remotely close. The talking heads want this Sanchez kid to succeed so badly it's sick. I'm looking forward to smacking these overrated beeyotches up and down Heinz Field a month from now.

DukieBoy
11-22-2010, 09:35 PM
ESPN was pumped big time over the Jets win (more $$$ for them with a NY major market team in the SB ???).
On that First Take (or whatever) show today, the girl on the show interviewed Stonio on his cell while he was driving. She was all over his stuff with the catch, it was something close to phone sex, I thought.

Crash
11-22-2010, 09:41 PM
What's amazing is no one brings up Sanchez's past while Ben has been forever convicted in the press.

AkronSteel
11-22-2010, 10:26 PM
ESPN was pumped big time over the Jets win (more $$$ for them with a NY major market team in the SB ???).
On that First Take (or whatever) show today, the girl on the show interviewed Stonio on his cell while he was driving. She was all over his stuff with the catch, it was something close to phone sex, I thought.

That must have been tough to do with a blunt in one hand and a phone in the other!!! :stirpot

hawaiiansteel
11-22-2010, 11:04 PM
Everyone and their mother is praising Mark #&@%ing Sanchez this morning as if he were the next great QB god.



add Don Banks from SI to the list of Mark Sanchize admirers... :roll:


Don Banks>INSIDE THE NFL


If you've seen one Jets game this season, you've seen them all. Not to repeat myself from last Sunday's Snaps, but the resilient Jets are going to find a way to win, no matter how long the game lasts. And is there a better quarterback-receiving duo in the NFL right now than Mark Sanchez to Santonio Holmes?

It must be torture for New York fans to sit through these three-hour high-wire acts every Sunday, but I don't know how you can possibly take exception with the results.

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Crash
11-23-2010, 04:09 AM
And is there a better quarterback-receiving duo in the NFL right now than Mark Sanchez to Santonio Holmes?

Yeah, Ben and Wallace.

Holmes has less than 50 yards in 3 of 6 games with Sanchez.

Wallace has less than 50 yards in 1 of 6 games with Ben.

Holmes has two 100 yard games.

Wallace has three 100 yard games.

Holmes has caught 3 TDs from Sanchez.

Wallace has caught 6 TDs from Ben.

Any questions?

RuthlessBurgher
11-23-2010, 11:22 AM
ESPN was pumped big time over the Jets win (more $$$ for them with a NY major market team in the SB ???).
On that First Take (or whatever) show today, the girl on the show interviewed Stonio on his cell while he was driving. She was all over his stuff with the catch, it was something close to phone sex, I thought.

Since 2001, New York has prohibited drivers from talking on hand-held devices while operating a motor vehicle. Way to broadcast that over the airwaves, dingleberry.

Snatch98
11-23-2010, 02:11 PM
I'm personally getting tired of reading about Holmes on this message board. Absolutely he'd be helping the team right now but we also have Manny Sanders stepping up. Brown is contributing and Mike Wallace is tearing it up. Hindsight is certainly 20/20 but when Holmes was in the black and gold he was a constant headache with one thing after another. Add in the Ben scandal and you have a team that needs to lessen the PR blow and improve the locker room. Holmes was shipped off and while the offense would certainly be more potent I don't believe we'd be playing worlds better with Holmes in the line up. His involvement in the offense would also hinder the development of one of the younger guys. Dude is a headcase plain and simple...game winning catches or not.

NW Steeler
11-23-2010, 03:19 PM
:Agree

We get our chance with both the Jets and Ravens. Gotta take care of our own business. Win those two and we are in GREAT shape.

NJ-STEELER
11-23-2010, 03:22 PM
ESPN was pumped big time over the Jets win (more $$$ for them with a NY major market team in the SB ???).
On that First Take (or whatever) show today, the girl on the show interviewed Stonio on his cell while he was driving. She was all over his stuff with the catch, it was something close to phone sex, I thought.

Since 2001, New York has prohibited drivers from talking on hand-held devices while operating a motor vehicle. Way to broadcast that over the airwaves, dingleberry.

bluetooths are legal

skyhawk
11-23-2010, 05:35 PM
I miss holmes.

Mike Wallace doesn't :lol:

hawaiiansteel
11-24-2010, 12:16 AM
What's amazing is no one brings up Sanchez's past while Ben has been forever convicted in the press.


cool, I've never heard any dirt on Sanchize...what did he do in his past? :stirpot

hawaiiansteel
11-26-2010, 01:56 AM
yet another Sanstonio TD... :moon


Rapid Reaction: Jets 26, Bengals 10

November, 25, 2010

By Rich Cimini
NEW YORK -- Thoughts from the Jets 26-10 victory over the Bengals:


Not bad for "average": The anticipated Darrelle Revis-Terrell Owens showdown didn't produce any fireworks, mostly because Bengals QB Carson Palmer stayed away from Revis Island. Revis was in man-to-man coverage on Owens almost every down, and he limited the Big Mouth receiver to three catches for 17 yards. Owens, who famously called Revis "just an average corner" earlier in the week, was targeted only six times while covered by Revis. Bottom line: Revis made T.O. eat his words.

'Tone Time: Receiver Santonio Holmes scored for the third straight week, burning newly signed cornerback Jonathan Wade on 13-yard slant in the third quarter. The coverage was terrible and Wade had no safety help. Brilliant move by the Bengals. The Jets should've been hitting that all night, but you know, sometimes it takes them a while to figure things out.

Lucky break: Holmes' touchdown was made possible because Bengals coach Marvin Lewis failed to challenge the Jets' recovery on a muffed punt. It was ruled on the field that the bouncing punt hit Andre Caldwell, but replays showed that it didn't. Where was the red flag? Lewis seemed to have problems getting the flag out of his pocket.

Off day for Sanchise: This wasn't one of Mark Sanchez's smartest games. He threw a horrible interception in the third quarter, forcing a pass while being chased out of the pocket. A few minutes later, he nearly took an intentional-grounding penalty, foolishly flipping a pass to no one while being sacked at the 1-foot line. He also missed several open receivers, including a wide-open Braylon Edwards on what should've been a long touchdown.

Non-starters: Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer needs to take a hard look at how he scripts his plays to start games. They've gone seven straight games without a first-quarter touchdown. Schottenheimer tends to be too preoccupied with trying to outsmart the opponent instead of attacking their obvious weaknesses. The Bengals secondary was decimated by injuries, yet the Jets completed only five passes to wide receivers in the first half.

Pick 'em: The Jets snapped their streak of five straight games without an interception, with safety Jim Leonhard and cornerback Antonio Cromartie producing first-half picks. Before everybody praises the defense, let's be real: They were two horrible throws by Palmer. The latter was a throw to Owens into triple coverage.

Depleted Cincy D: Talk about an injury bug. The Bengals played without five defensive starters: defensive tackle Tank Johnson, defensive end Frostee Rucker, cornerback Johnathan Joseph, safety Roy Williams and safety Chris Crockett. Things were so bad in the secondary that Wade, whom they signed off the street Monday, started at cornerback.

Undisciplined Jets: They were penalized eight times, including six in the first half. This sounds like a broken record, by Ryan's crackdown is having no effect. The biggest penalty was unnecessary roughness on nickel back Drew Coleman, a questionable call that gave the Bengals a first-and-goal from the 5 instead of third down from the 11. The Bengals capitalized, scoring on a 5-yard pass to Jordan Shipley. Later, the Jets dodged a bullet after a fourth-down roughing-the-passer penalty on safety James Ihedigbo. It put the Bengals in field-goal range, but Aaron Pettrey missed from 27 yards.

What's ahead: Get ready for Armageddon, AFC East style. The Jets will make their highly anticipated trip to Foxborough, where they will face the New England Patriots (9-2) for sole possession of first place. The Jets won the Week 2 meeting 28-14, but the Patriots -- post-Randy Moss -- are humming on offense. They've scored 115 points in their last three games.

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Crash
11-26-2010, 02:13 AM
Another under 50 yard game for Santonio with Sanchez.

Sanchez will be the Jets un-doing in the playoffs. He'll be Jake Plummer 2005.

hawaiiansteel
11-26-2010, 03:48 PM
I can't wait until we play the Jets! :tt2



Updated: November 26, 2010, 2:16 PM ET

Rex Ryan, Jets ready for Pats

ESPNNewYork.com


NEW YORK -- The showdown is set, and Rex and the Jets are ready.

Immediately after New York topped Cincinnati 26-10 on Thursday night -- with no overtime or last-minute heroics needed this time -- the Jets turned their attention to their next opponent.

Yep, those pesky New England Patriots.

With both winning on Thanksgiving, they are tied for the NFL's best record at 9-2. That sets up a meaty Monday night matchup on Dec. 6 at New England, which New York coach Rex Ryan calls "the marquee game of the year."

Ryan says Friday he believes the best two teams will be playing, and the only way it would be better is if it was the regular-season finale.

"Our football team believes we can beat anybody, and we're going to prove it," the coach said. "We've won eight in a row on the road, and we plan on making it nine."

Ryan acknowledges he's still not in Bill Belichick's class, but "he's going to get my best shot."

He gave his take on the Patriots with more than a hint of sarcasm: "Clearly, they're the best team in football. That's what all the experts say, except me."

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/ ... id=5851867 (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5851867)

hawaiiansteel
12-03-2010, 07:52 PM
Holmes not all about redemption

Those close to the Jets receiver say he's grown up and shed bad-boy image

By Elizabeth Merrill
ESPN.com


NEW YORK -- There was a charity fashion show in one of New York's swankiest hotels Monday night, with paparazzi, fine wines and puffy hors d' oeuvres, and there, in one of the most unlikely corners of the city, the playful soul of this 9-2 New York Jets team was revealed once again. Offensive linemen strutted down a runway wearing designer clothes. A not-so-shy young man named Steve Weatherford -- the punter, for God's sake -- ripped his shirt off to screams from the crowd. And somewhere, presumably on the other side of the Hudson River, Santonio Holmes stayed away.

He is minding his p's and q's these days, lying low, soaking up every syllable of the playbook. This is what a change of scenery can do for a man; it can change his life. The very closest people to Holmes say he's grown up, he's shaken his bad-boy transgressions and moved on. "Great teammate" flows off the tongues of at least a half-dozen Jets these days.

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Receiver Santonio Holmes and QB Mark Sanchez have clicked on the field this season.
Great story, right? The NFL loves redemption stories, and Holmes -- who has hauled in four clutch catches in the waning moments of four Jets victories -- fits perfectly into a 6 o'clock time slot. Man wins Super Bowl MVP, trips up repeatedly and loses his roots in Pittsburgh. Man moves to New York, the city of opportunity, the place where Alicia Keys sings "these streets will make you feel brand-new." But Holmes isn't exactly cooperating with the narrative. He hates this stuff, talking about anything besides running routes, and isn't necessarily interested in peeling back layers or becoming the league's next feel-good story.

He was on the phone Wednesday night for a rather awkward conversation filled with several pauses, calling to tie up some loose ends -- calling, mainly, because his publicist wanted him to. He does not make proclamations that he is a changed man. He doesn't care, really, what anyone thinks of him.

"If I ever worried about what someone else thought about me or said about me," Holmes said, "I don't think I would be in the position I am today. It's just about being confident in myself.

"I can't be concerned about the media, the fans, talking about the way that I play or the off-the-field things. That doesn't do anything for me. That doesn't boost my confidence; it doesn't make me go out and want to play harder. This is my job, this is my life, this is what I do for a living. I don't listen to nobody else on the outside."

Growing up

Patricia Brown will help push this narrative along. She's known him the longest. In 1984, at 16, she gave birth to Santonio, the first of four children in a single-parent household. She wanted so much for this stubborn, playful kid, so much for a boy who quickly became the man of the house.

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Coach Rex Ryan and the Jets took a chance on Holmes, and so far it's paid off.
It was Santonio who got his brothers ready for the school bus, who cooked them dinner and called his mom for recipe instructions. It was Santonio who pulled down A's and made his mom so proud that she kept all of his report cards.

She knows why Holmes plays football the way he does.

"I would say mainly because of me and the struggles that I had," Brown said. "And the struggle You know, I actually had to make him grow up faster than he wanted to. Because it was just me and him and his brothers.

"I had to go to work at 4 o'clock in the morning, and some days he didn't see me unless I'd go in the room at night and wake him up and say, 'Baby, I'm home.'"

Brown is careful with her words, choosing the best answers that won't breach 26 years of trust. Her son was sick when he was little. She worried about him. It wasn't until he was an adult, after his son Santonio III was born and was diagnosed with sickle-cell disease, that they realized Santonio had the trait, too. (Holmes arrived late for camp this summer because he was with his son, who had his spleen removed because of complications from sickle-cell anemia).

When Santonio was a kid, he was small. Maybe half the size of some of the other boys, she said. So she tried to lock him up, and of course he sneaked out to play, diving for passes, falling onto discarded mattresses in a yard.

Money was tight in Belle Glade, Fla., a rugged, impoverished town on the southeast shore of Lake Okeechobee. It's sugar-cane, hard-labor land, and it's also known as "Muck City." Santonio never knew he was poor. He was just like everybody else in his neighborhood.

Then again, he wasn't. He had the stride of an Olympic sprinter and the curiosity of a third-year law student. And coaches loved that thirst for knowledge. When Holmes made it to the NFL, after four years at Ohio State, he bought Patricia a new truck for her 40th birthday. A year later, he got her a four-bedroom house.

"He's not a mama's boy," Brown said. "He's pretty much his own self."

With the Steelers

The off-the-field stuff has dogged him since Belle Glade. There was his confession just before Super Bowl XLIII that he sold drugs as a kid, a statement as jolting as his last-minute, game-winning catch a few days later that sealed the Steelers' championship. There was a domestic violence incident in 2006 that was later dismissed, an arrest in 2008 for possession of marijuana, and a lawsuit from March that alleges Holmes threw a glass at a woman in an Orlando nightclub.

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Holmes was the MVP of Super Bowl XLIII when he played for the Steelers.
The latter -- along with an impending suspension for violating the league's substance-abuse policy -- was the last straw for the Steelers, who were also dealing with the fallout of quarterback Ben Roethlisberger's spring of scandal and an accusation of sexual assault. (Georgia prosecutors later decided not to file charges, but Roethlisberger was suspended for the first four games.) With suspensions looming for two of their star players, the Steelers traded Holmes to New York for a fifth-round draft pick, informing him of the move on an April night when he was walking his dog.

Holmes was floored by the news, and his mother immediately knew something was wrong when he called that night.

"I'm going to New York," he told Patricia. "No more Pittsburgh."

His account of that night is about as emotional and revealing as Holmes gets. Pittsburgh had become home. He connected with the people there. Hines Ward taught him how to be a professional, taught him to take his playbook on road games and to visualize. But even Holmes couldn't see this.

"Being a Super Bowl MVP, that's the last thing on your mind, regardless of any situation you ever go through in life," Holmes said. "I was sad that I left. But it's the NFL I don't even know. I was lost. I was shocked.

"But it also gave me a new surge of energy, you know? That's kind of how I feel right now. I just let it roll off my chest. It hit me, and I said, 'All right, I'm playing for the Jets.' That was it."

The Steelers declined comment for this story, referring to their policy of not commenting on other teams' players. But Tom Shaw, Holmes' mentor and speed coach, said Holmes got caught in a "perfect storm" of offseason turmoil that led to his Pittsburgh exit.

Looking back on it, Shaw said it was probably the best thing that could have happened to Holmes. Just after he was traded, the receiver had a sit-down with Jets coach Rex Ryan, who, along with general manager Mike Tannenbaum, has been known to take a few risks on players who are perceived as bad seeds. The Jets also picked up troubled receiver Braylon Edwards, plus Antonio Cromartie, who was buried in paternity problems in San Diego.

But back to the meeting. Ryan told Holmes that if he did what he was supposed to do, they'd be together for a long time.

"You see Rex Ryan, and people think he's a goofball because of the things he does on TV," Shaw said. "But he's probably one of the truest people you'll ever meet. He's not afraid to tell you what he thinks."

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Jets GM Mike Tennenbaum says the team has put its trust in Holmes.

Eight months later, it's clear that Tannenbaum threw sevens on what was once perceived as a huge gamble. Yes, Holmes had to sit for the first four games this season for his suspension. But he's had 32 catches for 491 yards in the past seven, with a handful of them being the difference in razor-thin games.

Tannenbaum calls it a partnership, an exchange of trust. The Jets took a chance on Holmes, and Holmes, through the first part of December at least, has made them look brilliant.

"Every situation is different," Tannenbaum said. "I think you have to weigh the risks and the reward and evaluate where you are as an organization, see what the price is. We go into every deal pretty methodically and talk about the pros and cons. And at the end of the day, [it's] 'Hey, this is what's best for the Jets.' And typically there's two sides to every story."

Shaw insisted it's that way with Holmes. He's known him since Holmes was a teenager, when he weighed 147 pounds and looked nothing like the rest of the NFL talent gravitating to Shaw's Florida camps. He said Holmes is genuine, that he loves his craft, and that deep down he's hurt by the negative publicity.

They had a conversation recently about Holmes' sons. He said he didn't want his kids to someday Google his name and come up with countless hits regarding their dad's misdeeds.

"He understands that the first 15 pages need to be about Santonio Holmes scoring touchdowns," Shaw said. "Doing good things for kids.

"He's got to end up proving it. He's doing everything right now. And I'm proud of him. I really am."

It's Patriots week
Grab a seat, Holmes says. He stares at a light-gray wall, softly speaking over a room full of players and reporters. It is New England week, a clash between two AFC rivals sitting at the top of the standings together at 9-2 looms Monday, and the place is buzzing with a playoff feel. In a few minutes, Rex Ryan will joke about how he looks a lot like Patriots quarterback Tom Brady. Holmes seems unfazed by the "Monday Night Football" buildup. He seems unfazed by everything.

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"For a guy who's in his fifth year, he has great awareness beyond his years as a football player," says Jets receivers coach Henry Ellard.
Maybe it's because he reached a different stratosphere at age 24, with 35 seconds on a clock. He caught a pass from Roethlisberger in the back of the end zone, tapped both sets of tippy-toes on the ground before red end zone turned to white, then sat on the ground, clutching the ball, never wanting to let go.

"For a guy who's in his fifth year, he has great awareness beyond his years as a football player," said Jets receivers coach Henry Ellard. "That's God-given."

And it's as if he's been with the Jets since draft day in 2006. Holmes regularly goes out to dinner with second-year quarterback Mark Sanchez -- a lot of the guys on offense do -- and traveled to California this past summer to be part of Jets West, a voluntary passing camp that served as a group bonding session for the receivers and Sanchez.

Holmes shrugs off the notion that clicking with a new quarterback is all that difficult.

"I just told him, 'Just put the ball wherever you feel comfortable putting it, and I'll make a play for you,'" Holmes said. "And over the course of time, he started understanding the way I play the game and how aggressive I am and how hungry and eager I am to make plays."

But tight end Dustin Keller knows how tough it is to establish that connection. It took Keller until the playoffs last year before he felt totally comfortable. He says Sanchez clicks with Holmes because "you know what you're getting from him every single time."

"It means that the two are almost sharing one mind," Keller said about the connection. "They sit there and they see a defense and they're going to attack it the same way."

It could have gone the other way. Receivers with rap sheets, an aging running back who was supposedly washed up, a head coach who irritates a few opponents with his brash talk.

In August, nobody knew for sure what was going to happen. Somehow, all these diverse personalities have managed to come together and make it work. Linebacker Bart Scott sees it. He surveys the locker room and gives a rundown of the personalities and how they're strategically positioned.

"Quiet, quiet loud enough for two," Scott said as he pointed to the lockers. "Quiet talkative a little bit."

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Scott has noticed that Holmes doesn't say much, and doesn't keep many personal items in his locker. But they get along. They talk about their kids. They have that in common.

Holmes came to New York in April talking about accountability, but that's about as far as he went. He doesn't say that this is his second and possibly last chance, and that he can't blow it. That would sound too much like a redemption story.

But his teammates know why he is here, in this season that has seemed charmed with so many last-minute heroics.

"Rex doesn't care what other people think," Scott said. "And when you don't care what other people think, you do what you think is best.

"Everybody fits in well in this environment. It's an environment that's open for all kinds of personalities. For all kinds of people. It's an environment where people are allowed to be themselves."

Elizabeth Merrill is a senior writer for ESPN.com. She can be reached at merrill2323@hotmail.com.

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aggiebones
12-04-2010, 09:27 AM
If lose to the Ravens and Jets, then it really is irrelevant and calmly..not our year. If we split, we are in the playoffs

frankthetank1
12-04-2010, 12:11 PM
I'm personally getting tired of reading about Holmes on this message board. Absolutely he'd be helping the team right now but we also have Manny Sanders stepping up. Brown is contributing and Mike Wallace is tearing it up. Hindsight is certainly 20/20 but when Holmes was in the black and gold he was a constant headache with one thing after another. Add in the Ben scandal and you have a team that needs to lessen the PR blow and improve the locker room. Holmes was shipped off and while the offense would certainly be more potent I don't believe we'd be playing worlds better with Holmes in the line up. His involvement in the offense would also hinder the development of one of the younger guys. Dude is a headcase plain and simple...game winning catches or not.

me too. its not like the steelers traded jerry rice. holmes's hands will always be suspect. if ben didnt throw two perfect passes in the last drive of the 08 SB holmes doesnt even have a sb mvp. wallace is better than holmes any ways. wallace is bigger and faster. wallace also has a much better attitude and a functional brain. holmes's talent isnt worth the headache. i would bet anything that holmes will be suspended more in the future. i would also wager the same amount that wallace will never be dealt a suspension.

hawaiiansteel
12-04-2010, 04:42 PM
I'm personally getting tired of reading about Holmes on this message board. Absolutely he'd be helping the team right now but we also have Manny Sanders stepping up. Brown is contributing and Mike Wallace is tearing it up. Hindsight is certainly 20/20 but when Holmes was in the black and gold he was a constant headache with one thing after another. Add in the Ben scandal and you have a team that needs to lessen the PR blow and improve the locker room. Holmes was shipped off and while the offense would certainly be more potent I don't believe we'd be playing worlds better with Holmes in the line up. His involvement in the offense would also hinder the development of one of the younger guys. Dude is a headcase plain and simple...game winning catches or not.

me too. its not like the steelers traded jerry rice. holmes's hands will always be suspect. if ben didnt throw two perfect passes in the last drive of the 08 SB holmes doesnt even have a sb mvp. wallace is better than holmes any ways. wallace is bigger and faster. wallace also has a much better attitude and a functional brain. holmes's talent isnt worth the headache. i would bet anything that holmes will be suspended more in the future. i would also wager the same amount that wallace will never be dealt a suspension.


Mike Wallace has done a great job replacing Santonio as the #2 WR.

the problem is ARE has done a poor job of replacing Mike Wallace as the #3 WR...

RuthlessBurgher
12-04-2010, 04:50 PM
I'm personally getting tired of reading about Holmes on this message board. Absolutely he'd be helping the team right now but we also have Manny Sanders stepping up. Brown is contributing and Mike Wallace is tearing it up. Hindsight is certainly 20/20 but when Holmes was in the black and gold he was a constant headache with one thing after another. Add in the Ben scandal and you have a team that needs to lessen the PR blow and improve the locker room. Holmes was shipped off and while the offense would certainly be more potent I don't believe we'd be playing worlds better with Holmes in the line up. His involvement in the offense would also hinder the development of one of the younger guys. Dude is a headcase plain and simple...game winning catches or not.

me too. its not like the steelers traded jerry rice. holmes's hands will always be suspect. if ben didnt throw two perfect passes in the last drive of the 08 SB holmes doesnt even have a sb mvp. wallace is better than holmes any ways. wallace is bigger and faster. wallace also has a much better attitude and a functional brain. holmes's talent isnt worth the headache. i would bet anything that holmes will be suspended more in the future. i would also wager the same amount that wallace will never be dealt a suspension.


Mike Wallace has done a great job replacing Santonio as the #2 Wr.

the problem is ARE has done a poor job of replacing Mike Wallace as the #3 WR...

Yeah, but Manny Sanders is an improvement over ARE as the #3 WR now (in spite of the drop he made...well before the much-more-talked-about Stevie Johnson drop...that could have clinched the Buffalo game for us).

hawaiiansteel
12-04-2010, 05:27 PM
A Big Test and Opportunity for the Pittsburgh Steelers' Young Wide Receivers

by Michael Bean on Dec 4, 2010 2:29 AM EST

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Who's ready to fill the significant void in production against the Ravens created by Holmes' departure to New York? (AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar)

I wouldn't feel comfortable 'predicting' who will win this week. Not with Ben Roethlisberger's health a question mark, and more importantly, because it's the Steelers and Ravens. You know it's going to be close. I think there's a number of different ways that both teams can emerge victorious. Both teams can put up points in a hurry in the passing game; both can win in an grind-it-out slug fest; and both teams have play-makers on defense that can turn a game in their team's favor.

However, this year's Steelers squad is missing the one player that Baltimore has the most difficult time containing. Santonio Holmes. Make no mistake about it, the Steelers and their fans (myself included) have moved on from Holmes. I don't think anybody in Steeler Nation has any real ill-will towards Holmes, but true Steelers want to be here, and conduct themselves on and off the field accordingly. (If you immediately just thought to yourself, 'what about Big Ben?' Well, he's a $100+ million dollar man, so he gets an extra get-out-of-jail-free card(s) than everybody else, but it's safe to say that he's on his last chance). More importantly, there's Mike Wallace filling his shoes tremendously this season. The second-year WR out of Ole Miss is having a Pro Bowl caliber season, and he's quieted any doubts about whether he would be able to slide into a No. 2 type role.

However, Wallace has yet to prove that he's capable of producing against the Steelers' most important opponent - the Ravens. That's not a knock on Wallace necessarily. Not yet at least.In the teams' Week 4 meeting, Wallace caught two passes for 2 receptions for 24 yards. Charlie Batch was under center though. In his one game against the Ravens that Roethlisberger played, Week 16 last year, Wallace had three catches for 83 yards. Not bad at all.

But Holmes left huge shoes to fill when it comes to his productivity against Baltimore.

Here are Holmes' career totals against the Ravens:


Game Receptions Yards TDs

2006 Week 12 3 31 0
2006 Week 16 5 90 0
2007 Week 9 4 110 2
2007 Week 17 4 98 1
2008 Week 4 3 61 1
2008 Week 15 3 21 1
2008 AFCCG 2 70 1
2009 Week 12 6 74 1
2009 Week 16 5 86 1
Totals 35 641 8

Impressive.

We'll see how Wallace performs. But I'd contend it's equally, if not more important that the Steelers get contributions in the passing game from either Emmanuel Sanders or Antonio Brown...or both, though I doubt both will be active this week. It might make sense however to deactivate Antwaan Randle El this week in favor of Brown. If he makes a mistake, so be it. The Ravens secondary can be attacked with speedy receivers that are good after the catch.

I happen to believe that Randle El has legitimate value to this team - as an occasional 3rd down possession receiver, and because of his ability to make defenses prepare for and account for him and his gadget-play ability. Against the Ravens though, I'd rather have more speed out there. I can't see Randle El breaking any tackles and picking up big yardage after the catch against Baltimore. Sanders and Brown might be a different story.

I've been wondering though how much upside Sanders has after the catch. I love what he's shown as a rookie. Let me make that claer. He's clearly got 'it' as a competitor - not satisfied by his accomplishments, and not too hard on himself when he inevitably fails. He had a big drop last week against the Bills, but I don't see that sticking with him this week.

However, I don't think Sanders is strong enough yet to break tackles. Only 32 of his 179 receiving yards have come after the catch, or roughly 16 percent. By contrast, 169 of Holmes' 491 receiving yards this season have been after the catch. That's about 30 percent, an exceptional ratio. Even Wallace, who's having an amazing season, is only at about 23 percent.

If there ever were a game for Wallace and Sanders (and Brown too if he gets a hat) to make plays after the catch, it would be this week. I think we'll see the Steelers try to run the ball, but history suggests it will be tough sledding in that department. Hines Ward and Heath Miller will do what they do - make plays in the seam, over the middle, and in the flats, then fight and scrap for yards after the catch. However, if Ben Roethlisberger doesn't have much time to go through his progressions and wait for guys to get open down the field, it's imperative that the passing game not shut down entirely. That means quick-hitting passing plays that actually work.

Easier said than done, but much of the burden falls on the guy receiving the ball to make the first guy miss in order for bubble screens and quick slants to work. Santonio was great in that regard thanks to his vision, explosive first few steps, and the world-class balance he possesses. I'm not convinced Sanders has those god-given physical gifts. His talents lie more in his outstanding hands and his understanding of how to get open against zone coverage. I do believe Sanders can make those types of plays. Maybe not consistently, but he's got good enough raw speed to take it the distance if he gets past his man.

I think Brown has better vision and is a bit more naturally gifted at making the first guy miss with his shifty moves. But Brown clearly has work to do before seeing the field regularly as a wide receiver. So it may not be realistic to think that he'll get his first shot in months in a situation like this. You never know though.

In order to beat Baltimore on the road with a banged up quarterback and patchwork offensive line, the Steelers almost assuredly need a solid defensive performance. Even if they get that, they may still need someone not named Hines or Heath to have a significant impact in the passing game. The countdown to Sunday night is on. Can't wait.

Go Steelers!

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Flasteel
12-12-2010, 09:46 PM
...and now he's hurting theirs. :lol:

Smashmouth
12-13-2010, 01:39 AM
Maybe you should go by "HawiianHolmes". :Binky

hawaiiansteel
12-13-2010, 01:54 AM
Maybe you should go by "HawiianHolmes". :Binky


actually, all the women in Hawaii have nicknamed me "John Holmes"... :D

fordfixer
12-13-2010, 01:57 AM
Maybe you should go by "HawiianHolmes". :Binky


actually, all the women in Hawaii have nicknamed me "John Holmes"... :D


Kinda like the fat kid we used to call "Skinny"

hawaiiansteel
12-13-2010, 02:14 AM
Maybe you should go by "HawiianHolmes". :Binky


actually, all the women in Hawaii have nicknamed me "John Holmes"... :D


Kinda like the fat kid we used to call "Skinny"



:lol: :moon :lol:

fordfixer
12-13-2010, 02:17 AM
Maybe you should go by "HawiianHolmes". :Binky


actually, all the women in Hawaii have nicknamed me "John Holmes"... :D


Kinda like the fat kid we used to call "Skinny"



:lol: :moon :lol:


I knew you would like that :lol:

NJ-STEELER
12-13-2010, 04:23 AM
he dropped a TD and cost them 4 points there.

he also came down with a long ball in the 4th that put them in FG position

hawaiiansteel
12-13-2010, 05:53 PM
the Jets' offense has sucked as badly as ours lately...


Jets, Packers have issues that make reaching playoffs a struggle

By Steve Wyche NFL.com
Senior Writer
Published: Dec. 13, 2010

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The Jets have scored just nine points during their two-game losing streak.

From "Hard Knocks" to little resistance. The New York Jets are on the verge of falling out of the playoff hunt and dredging up memories of two seasons ago, when rented ringer Brett Favre built things up for a painful crash over the final five games that left them out of the postseason. Except this time, it's fresh-armed but inconsistent Mark Sanchez leading the slide.

The woof tickets coach Rex Ryan's been selling all season might not be worth anything upon exchange, seeing as though the Jets were supposed to be better than any team in the NFL but could end up not among the six AFC playoff teams.

Their painful 10-6 loss to the Dolphins on Sunday followed a thumping by New England that dropped the Jets to 9-4. While it's still one of the best records in the NFL, it leaves them out of contention for the AFC East title that will be won by the scorching-the-earth Patriots. New York's record isn't the worry; it's where it is trending and what lies ahead.

Ryan considered benching Sanchez

With the offense struggling, Jets coach Rex Ryan said he considered benching Mark Sanchez in the third quarter of Sunday's 10-6 loss to the Dolphins.

The Jets would be the No. 5 seed if the season ended today, but it doesn't and New York has scored nine points in two games. The Jets next two opponents, Pittsburgh and Chicago, boast the second- and fourth-ranked scoring defenses, respectively. New York has the sixth-best scoring defense, allowing 18.6 points per game but the offense hasn't generated half that many points the past two games.

Adding to the situation -- there always is something else with these Jets -- Ryan said he thought about removing Sanchez from the game in the loss to Miami. He said he opted not to because it wasn't all Sanchez's fault. That's not going to make a sensitive player feel any better knowing that, even for a fleeting second, a coach who's had his back lost faith.

Sanchez and Ryan will spend this week downplaying the situation. But when the quarterback reflects on turning the ball over with more frequency (12 interceptions in the last eight games after none in the first five) and not getting his team into the end zone while guys like David Garrard and Josh Freeman have elevated their games over the past few weeks to get their teams in contention, he could start to press even more.

Then you have real problems. Well, on that note

The Jets do have a real problem. Strength and conditionaing coach Sal Alosi opted to go Shane Stant on Dolphins special teamer Nolan Carroll who was running downfield on punt coverage and was temporarily injured. Instead of using a collapsible baton to bang Carroll on the knee like Stant did to figure skater Nancy Kerrigan, Alosi leaned his knee out and tripped Carroll, who had been re-routed out of bounds on the Jets' bench.

Alosi has apologized and he will get in trouble for this, however, this was such an out-of-place deal, it will have enough legs to be discussed for a few days, possibly masking the problems with the Jets -- or adding to them.

With all these compound fractures, we're beginning to hear about heartbreak of the past, most recently when the Jets traded for Favre in 2008 and he led the team to an 8-3 start, only to have New York lose four of its final five games and finish out of the playoffs.

It could or could not happen again, but there is not much reason to believe New York is going to get well this week at Pittsburgh, which is trying to stay ahead of Baltimore in the AFC North and gain even more momentum for a playoff run.

New York made it to the AFC title game last season and ran its record to 9-2 before dropping two straight. Should the Jets stumble, the thumbing of noses at Ryan and the self-hype machine will be immeasurable. They'd have brought it on themselves. The only way they can prevent that is to play the best football of their season over the final three weeks. However, the obstacles in their way are serious -- with some of those hurdles coming from within their own building.

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