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NorthCoast
11-16-2010, 06:40 PM
I am surprised no one posted this as a topic after his thorough smack down on Sunday. I find it absolutely inconceivable that there is no one better on the roster that could take his position. He was horrid on a number of plays (OK, even more horrid than the other 3, Pouncey held his own for the most part). The fact is we do not have a good pass-blocking line for an offense that does not know what it wants to be.

I will look for some internet junk that may have focused on Essex's play. It should make for some interesting reading.

focosteeler
11-16-2010, 11:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMH1xiiEbMo

i know ngata is a beast but still :HeadBanger

steelerkeylargo
11-17-2010, 12:28 AM
And here I was thinking the body of the post would just read ..... "SUCKS"

hawaiiansteel
11-17-2010, 05:56 PM
the Steelers knew Essex sucked when they drafted Maurkice Pouncey to play RG this season. as it turned out, Pouncey exceeded all expectations and was able to handle the C position this year (and Hartwig sucked even worse).

RG and CB should be the first two positions addressed by the Steelers in next year's draft...

NW Steeler
11-17-2010, 05:59 PM
And here I was thinking the body of the post would just read ..... "SUCKS"


SUCKS!

You are welcome.

8)

frankthetank1
11-17-2010, 06:02 PM
the problem is legursky sucks too

NW Steeler
11-17-2010, 06:05 PM
the Steelers knew Essex sucked when they drafted Maurkice Pouncey to play RG this season. as it turned out, Pouncey exceeded all expectations and was able to handle the C position this year (and Hartwig sucked even worse).

RG and CB should be the first two positions addressed by the Steelers in next year's draft...

I agree about the draft needs. But what about OT? Do we think that Colon will be back? I am not sure of that. The entire right side of our line needs replaced.

focosteeler
11-18-2010, 05:39 PM
the Steelers knew Essex sucked when they drafted Maurkice Pouncey to play RG this season. as it turned out, Pouncey exceeded all expectations and was able to handle the C position this year (and Hartwig sucked even worse).

RG and CB should be the first two positions addressed by the Steelers in next year's draft...

I agree about the draft needs. But what about OT? Do we think that Colon will be back? I am not sure of that. The entire right side of our line needs replaced.

i think we see if we can get a tackle in FA...i still want mike pouncey in the 1st....i think that having both pounceys next to eachother will keep our interior set for 10 years

LordVile
11-18-2010, 06:50 PM
the Steelers knew Essex sucked when they drafted Maurkice Pouncey to play RG this season. as it turned out, Pouncey exceeded all expectations and was able to handle the C position this year (and Hartwig sucked even worse).

RG and CB should be the first two positions addressed by the Steelers in next year's draft...

I agree about the draft needs. But what about OT? Do we think that Colon will be back? I am not sure of that. The entire right side of our line needs replaced.

i think we see if we can get a tackle in FA...i still want mike pouncey in the 1st....i think that having both pounceys next to eachother will keep our interior set for 10 years

hellz yeah, i'm hoping for the same

RuthlessBurgher
11-18-2010, 08:52 PM
the Steelers knew Essex sucked when they drafted Maurkice Pouncey to play RG this season. as it turned out, Pouncey exceeded all expectations and was able to handle the C position this year (and Hartwig sucked even worse).

RG and CB should be the first two positions addressed by the Steelers in next year's draft...

I agree about the draft needs. But what about OT? Do we think that Colon will be back? I am not sure of that. The entire right side of our line needs replaced.

I've been a OT proponent for a long time. I wanted us to take Bulaga in this last draft (and to trade up a few slots to get Oher a few years ago). But I'm not blown away by the tackle crop in this year's class. And the opportunity to play two brothers next to one another on the line comes along...well...never.

Colon's contract is up and he will surely want a big payday (remember his agent's claims about him being a top tackle), but no team will be willing to give him one coming off of a major Achilles injury. He will have to prove himself before getting the big bucks, so I could see him signing a reasonable short term deal to show that he still has it.

We signed Hotel to a 2 year $7.5 million deal in which the second year was a team option. I could see us opting to keep him for year 2 in case Colon's Achilles turns out to be a lingering problem going forward.

Reports were that Starks' injury should not be career-threatening, and he should be back fine by next season.

So we could potentially have Adams and Colon battling it out to start at RT next year, with Stark and Jon Scott (who will have a half season of playing experience in our system under his belt by then) behind him on the left side. That seems to be reasonable depth at OT for 2011...replacing Essex with Mike Pouncey would offer the biggest bang for the buck in my mind.

Shawn
11-18-2010, 09:07 PM
I am surprised no one posted this as a topic after his thorough smack down on Sunday. I find it absolutely inconceivable that there is no one better on the roster that could take his position. He was horrid on a number of plays (OK, even more horrid than the other 3, Pouncey held his own for the most part). The fact is we do not have a good pass-blocking line for an offense that does not know what it wants to be.

I will look for some internet junk that may have focused on Essex's play. It should make for some interesting reading.


Yeah but OG isn't a need...or so I have been told. :)

pfelix73
11-18-2010, 10:53 PM
That youtube clip says alot. Sometimes I don't like the way they call their OL blocking schemes. IF they double teamed Ngata, which would be a good idea on a NG anyways, they would've had him blocked. The TE there comes through the hole and takes a LB and if they have a FB in there, the FB takes the other LB (Lewis) and then the RB hits the hole. They play too much of that zone crap if you ask me..

You want a power running game?- then use the big guys to their advantage. Double down and use the angles to get the job done. And get a FB in there too- not a TE as a FB. Traps, pulls, sweeps, screens, dives...go back to the basics. I'd be using Pouncey as a Center pull too- like we did with Dirt. BA and his 1 back crap needs to go.

:tt1

birtikidis
11-19-2010, 12:36 AM
question... do we have an actual right guard on the Roster?
Legursky--- Center
Essex ---- I thought he was a tackle in college....
Foster ---- I thought he was also a tackle in college....
if we drafted an actual Guard to play Guard... we could let one of these converted Tackles compete for TACKLE.. I mean we haven't had a true RG in years (even stapleton was a converted center).

NJ-STEELER
11-19-2010, 12:57 AM
i'm, trying to figure out why he would hold on that bubble screen they tried in the first QR.

hey trai, you want the DL to come in...the ball is gonna be gone right away



i love the pounc and how he's playing. gotta wonder though . would the OL be a bit better with hartwig at center and pouncey at RG?

hawaiiansteel
11-19-2010, 03:30 AM
Analyzing the Offensive Line: Trai Essex, You Are the Weakest Link

Posted on November 18, 2010 by JJ


The Steelers lost by 13 points Sunday, and they abandoned the running game midway through the second quarter. So you can probably expect that this week’s o-line report isn’t going to be a very happy report.

When it comes to pass blocking, the Steelers offensive line struggled to handle a blitz-happy Patriots defense. That could have been expected — a backup left tackle and left guard ensured Pittsburgh was going to get tested and tested often.

But when it came to the running game, well, that’s where the disaster happened. A week before, Cleveland had run all over the Patriots with Peyton Hillis grinding out first down after first down. Against the Steelers, all of a sudden the same linebackers who struggled looked like Pro Bowlers.

Pittsburgh’s offensive line had a lot to do with that. It wasn’t entirely their fault, as there were several running plays where a missed block by a tight end or wide receiver caused problems. But there were very few running plays where you could say that everyone did their job as designed. In fact, I only counted five of 18 running plays where the five Steelers’ linemen all did their jobs (as best I could determine them).

If you’re looking for the biggest explanation of why the Steelers couldn’t run the ball, point a finger at No. 79 Trai Essex. On 50 percent of the Steelers’ running plays, Essex failed to do his job (standard caveat: this is all as best I could determine). Considering that the Steelers were extremely run-right oriented Sunday night — they ran to the left only one of 18 rushing plays — having your right guard struggling to block his man causes some serious problems.

Essex’s troubles in the running game were all over the board. On two of the plays, Vince Wilfork stood him up at the line and then slid off his block to make the tackle. On two other plays, he was driven into the backfield by Mike Wright. On one other play he made a poor cut block.

But his biggest issue was his inability to get to the second level to block linebackers. On four different plays Essex failed to block the inside linebacker he was assigned to block. He only successfully blocked inside linebackers on two running plays.

It wasn’t all Essex, there were plenty of other problems. Before we get into that, here’s a look at the grades.

Player Run/Pass Good Plays Total Plays Percentage Pressures Sacks

Adams Pass 38 46 82.6% 7
Essex Pass 54 58 93.1% 4
Pouncey Pass 55 58 94.8% 3
Foster Pass 56 58 96.6% 1 1
Scott Pass 44 58 75.9% 8 1
Miller Pass 5 5 100%
Spaeth Pass 2 3 66.7% 1
Johnson Pass 0 1 0% 1
Hills Pass 12 12 100%
Moore Pass 11 11 100%
Mendenhall Pass 1 2 50% 1
Redman Pass 4 4 100%
Flozell Run 14 17 82.4%
Essex Run 9 18 50%
Pouncey Run 14 18 77.8%
Foster Run 17 18 94.4%
Scott Run 14 18 77.8%
Miller Run 10 16 62.5%
Spaeth Run 8 10 80%
Johnson Run 2 3 66.7%
Hills Run 1 1 100%
Adams Total 52 63 82.5%
Essex Total 63 76 82.9%
Pouncey Total 69 76 90.9%
Foster Total 73 76 96.1%
Scott Total 58 76 76.3%
Miller Total 15 21 71.4%
Spaeth Total 10 13 76.9%
Johnson Total 2 4 50%
Hills Total 13 13 100%
Moore Total 11 11 100%
Mendenhall Total 1 2 50%
Redman Total 4 4 100%

You probably noticed the grades for the Steelers starting tackles were pretty ugly. Jonathan Scott and Flozell Adams struggled all night with setting the edges of the pocket. In Adams’ case, his biggest problem was his lack of speed. Four of his eight poor pass blocks came when he was beaten to the outside with speed rushes. Two poor plays came when he was beaten to the inside (which he was vulnerable to because of his fears of getting beaten to the outside) and two came when he failed to pick up a stunting rusher. To Adams’ credit he was one of the Steelers’ best run blockers.

Scott’s problems were more frightening. On 13 different pass plays by my count Scott failed to block effectively. He had all kind of problems — he was beaten by speed rushes on five plays. He was beaten inside twice, and he struggled with who to block once.

But the most disconcerting problem Scott had was the one he appeared to be over. When watching Scott’s disastrous 2009 season, the issue that kept popping up was his inability to sink his butt and stop bull rushes. At his worst, defensive ends and linebackers could put Scott on roller skates — they’d simply drive him back into the quarterback.

It wasn’t that bad against New England — usually a rusher would get leverage and drive Scott back, but he did manage to reset and anchor just in time to at least give Roethlisberger a chance to dodge and move. But that happened on five different plays by my count.

On run plays, Scott’s blocking was better, but he really wasn’t a factor. Whether it was because the Steelers didn’t trust him and Ramon Foster or some other reason, the Steelers only ran his way once. His problems in run blocking were a penalty for illegal formation, two plays where he blocked no one, a poor cut block and a play where he was beaten to the outside.

Maurkice Pouncey was typically solid, but not as spectacular as you would think if you listen to the commentators. Pouncey shows great mobility — he’s great at reaching and blocking linebackers. But against guys like Vince Wilfork, Pouncey isn’t always able to root him out and drive him out of the hole. To his credit, there were several plays where Wilfork seemed to get the upper hand on Pouncey, but Pouncey then would managed to make his block because of his tenacity.

Wright beat Pouncey twice for pressure and Gerard Warren split him and Essex for a pressure as well. But he was pretty solid in the running game.

Ramon Foster’s grades look very good. But there is one caveat. As I mentioned with Scott, the Steelers were generally running the other way. But you still have to credit him with a very solid game. In pass protection, Foster was very solid, even when he was asked to make a couple of very difficult blocks where he was asked to pull outside to pick up blitzers. In the run game, Foster was nearly flawless — he had a bad cut block, but otherwise there wasn’t much to complain about.

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