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fordfixer
10-26-2010, 03:56 AM
Harris: Steelers must re-sign Ike Taylor
By John Harris, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, October 26, 2010
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 06128.html (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_706128.html)

Six games into their season, the Steelers know what they must do.

They have to take care of cornerback Ike Taylor. They have to lock up Taylor for at least the next three years while he's in his prime.

The Steelers can't pay everyone, but they have to pay Taylor, who becomes an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season.

Taylor is a young 30. He didn't take a beating in college, where he played running back for one season and moved to cornerback as a senior. He's probably the Steelers' best conditioned athlete who trains year-round and works with speed and conditioning guru Tom Shaw in the offseason.

A team player, he hasn't complained about his contract status. He didn't criticize the front office the way linebacker LaMarr Woodley and kicker Jeff Reed did. Instead, he kept his thoughts private and is playing the best football of his career.

"I don't want to play anywhere else, just knowing what we could be. Pittsburgh feels like home," said Taylor, a fourth-round draft pick in 2003. "I'm playing for a Hall of Fame defensive coordinator (Dick LeBeau). I don't want to go anywhere else, but it's all on them."

Taylor's ability to play man-to-man on the right side, sometimes with little or no help, makes him almost indispensable. He's a leader in the locker room and a mentor to young cornerbacks such as William Gay and Keenan Lewis.

Taylor has his detractors. He doesn't intercept passes like Darrelle Revis of the New York Jets, but Revis hasn't won two Super Bowls, much less started in them. Taylor isn't flashy like Nnamdi Asomugha of the Oakland Raiders, but Asomugha doesn't force the run like Taylor does.

"The only thing I've been lacking is catching balls, as far as not having recognition," said Taylor, who has 10 career interceptions in eight seasons. "I feel like it's about that time. I've been making statements, but not what the people want to see and probably not what I want."

In Sunday's 23-22 win at Miami, Taylor followed star receiver Brandon Marshall out of the locker room, in the Dolphins' huddle and defended Marshall's routes like his shadow.

Marshall was targeted nine times and had five receptions for 57 yards. Taylor didn't cover Marshall on every play, just the most important ones.

On third down from the Steelers 4-yard-line in the second quarter, Taylor disrupted Marshall's timing just enough that quarterback Chad Henne's pass fell incomplete. Instead of Marshall scoring a touchdown in the red zone where he excels and giving Miami a 13-10 lead, the Dolphins settled for a field goal.

The Steelers have been a force throughout this decade. They played in two AFC Championship games before Taylor became a starter in 2005, but they didn't win a Super Bowl until he cracked the lineup.

Make no mistake, the Steelers are capable of winning without Taylor. They'll have no choice if they don't re-sign him. But can they win a Super Bowl without him? Hopefully, the Steelers won't have to find out.

What makes the Steelers special is the front office's ability to plan for the future. Director of football operations Kevin Colbert is excellent at targeting players who fit the system, and he's really, really good at locating players who can take over when the starters leave.

Except in this case, the Steelers don't have another corner on their roster who can follow the likes of Marshall from sideline-to-sideline. True, Taylor had help Sunday. But not every play.

Bryant McFadden isn't the answer if the Steelers don't bring back Taylor. Otherwise, McFadden would play press coverage on the left side the way Taylor does on the right side.

Lewis, a second-year corner, and rookie Crezdon Butler aren't answers, either. Lewis, of whom coach Mike Tomlin said was competing against McFadden in preseason, has dressed in only two of the first six games. Butler isn't close to being ready. Should the coaching staff expect Lewis or Butler to start in Taylor's place next season?

Another cornerback, William Gay, has found a home at nickel back. He was out of his element last season as the starting left corner.

Of course, the ideal situation is to have two lockdown corners like Taylor. Still, one lockdown corner is better than none. If the Steelers let Taylor walk, they won't have any. The choice is theirs.

StarSpangledSteeler
10-26-2010, 04:34 AM
I agree. Ike fits our system perfectly and he still has good legs left. Pay the man. He'll be reasonable. Plus the other corners are not ready to take over. We'd get torched.

jj28west
10-26-2010, 05:35 AM
I know he does not have hands like Deangelo Hall but look at his numbers in his career and its impressive who he has shut down.

I think Javon Walker and Fitz are the only ones he had trouble with.

One of the most under appreciated Steelers with respect to contribution IMO.

Even the best get burned occasionaly or have mental lapses but rarely do I remember Ike having 2-3 bad games in a row.

steelblood
10-26-2010, 08:24 AM
I'd go 3 years 19-21 mill, 9 guaranteed. If he'd play for that, I'd be thrilled.

Oviedo
10-26-2010, 08:28 AM
I'd love to resign him but I think he will be looking for a big payday. Who is the priority Woodley or Taylor???? You also have to find money for extending Timmons and Troy within the next year.

Likely coming off the books: Farrior, Smith, Colon. All of them make less than Woodley and Taylor will likely be asking for. It will be a tough off season and we will probably have to let a good player walk.

BradshawsHairdresser
10-26-2010, 08:42 AM
Expect some big changes. I wouldn't be surprised if Taylor and Woodley are BOTH gone (along with Farrior, Smith, Colon and Reed).

Oviedo
10-26-2010, 08:49 AM
Expect some big changes. I wouldn't be surprised if Taylor and Woodley are BOTH gone (along with Farrior, Smith, Colon and Reed).

It wouldn't shock me either but we would take a major step back as a team. I think the FO has done a good job preparing for potentially losing Woodley by getting Worilds and Gibson a year early.

They have not been as successful preparing for potentially losing Taylor which may mean in their eyes he is a bigger priority to resign. Keenan Lewis and Crezdon Butler are going to have to be able to step up. IMO they made a big mistake releasing Joe Burnett to keep Anthony Madison. Burnett actually had value as a DB and some potential. Madison has none as a DB.

If we lose Taylor expect big issues in the secondary.

ramblinjim
10-26-2010, 08:55 AM
Burnett must not have shown much not to be kept. I'm with you Ovie, in that I figured he'd get another year but to my knowledge no one else has picked him up either.

I would love to see Ike back in the B&G next year and then perhaps see someone step up and take Bmac's spot.

steelblood
10-26-2010, 10:12 AM
I'd love to resign him but I think he will be looking for a big payday. Who is the priority Woodley or Taylor???? You also have to find money for extending Timmons and Troy within the next year.

Likely coming off the books: Farrior, Smith, Colon. All of them make less than Woodley and Taylor will likely be asking for. It will be a tough off season and we will probably have to let a good player walk.


I think they'll keep both Woodley and Taylor next season. If there is a new CBA, there will likely still be a franchise tag. I think the Steelers will make Woodley and Taylor the priorities and sign the first one who is willing to give them any sort of discount or at least be fair. Both want to stay very much. I think one will be reasonable. The other will get franchised (we will find the money to pay them by letting Farrior, Smith, and Colon go). This will buy us another year to find that player's replacement. After that year, we'll have money to pay Timmons or Troy. They other will get franchised for a year. At that point, Harrison and Ward may be done and others may be done. We should be able to clear enough to sign the one we franchised.

If there is no franchise tag, we'll likely be screwed.

Chadman
10-26-2010, 10:27 AM
The Steelers rarely lose guys they want to keep.

Woodley & Taylor will be in Pittsburgh beyond this season. Same with Colon.

Farrior? Not sure.

Expect Timmons & Polamalu extended next off season too.

Say one thing for this organisation- they are rarely put in a position where sweeping changes are required- particularly when they are not prepared for them.

phillyesq
10-26-2010, 10:33 AM
Burnett must not have shown much not to be kept. I'm with you Ovie, in that I figured he'd get another year but to my knowledge no one else has picked him up either.

I would love to see Ike back in the B&G next year and then perhaps see someone step up and take Bmac's spot.

Burnett is still on the street. In a league that is increasingly emphasizing the pass, I'm sure that somebody would have given him a shot by now if they thought he could contribute as a DB.

flippy
10-26-2010, 11:07 AM
If Taylor had ball awareness and hands, he'd be the best CB in the league. But he's just awkward with the ball in the air.

But I don't see another CB that tackles and supports the run as well as Taylor.

He's a great athlete. And he fits Pittsburgh well. But I wouldn't overpay for him either.

Oviedo
10-26-2010, 11:10 AM
If Taylor had ball awareness and hands, he'd be the best CB in the league. But he's just awkward with the ball in the air.



...and that is why he is a CB and not a WR :wink:

flippy
10-26-2010, 11:15 AM
If Taylor had ball awareness and hands, he'd be the best CB in the league. But he's just awkward with the ball in the air.



...and that is why he is a CB and not a WR :wink:

But it's more than that. He can't even get his hands on the ball to deflect it or defend it at times. Can't remember who it was against, but in the 4th quarter against Oakland last year, he had one of his best examples of being in position, getting totally lost, and giving up a reception that no other CB would have surrendered.

phillyesq
10-26-2010, 12:56 PM
If Taylor had ball awareness and hands, he'd be the best CB in the league. But he's just awkward with the ball in the air.

But I don't see another CB that tackles and supports the run as well as Taylor.

He's a great athlete. And he fits Pittsburgh well. But I wouldn't overpay for him either.

Hopefully his low interception numbers keep his price reasonable enough to allow the Steelers to resign him.

Ike's stone hands can be frustrating at times, but I've always liked Ike. He is a hard worker, and you don't see much complaining, showboating, or anything else. I'd love to see him finish his career in black and gold, but not at any price - the deal has to work for both sides.

ikestops85
10-26-2010, 01:22 PM
If Taylor had ball awareness and hands, he'd be the best CB in the league. But he's just awkward with the ball in the air.



...and that is why he is a CB and not a WR :wink:

But it's more than that. He can't even get his hands on the ball to deflect it or defend it at times. Can't remember who it was against, but in the 4th quarter against Oakland last year, he had one of his best examples of being in position, getting totally lost, and giving up a reception that no other CB would have surrendered.

Ike is good when he is facing the play. When he has his back to the ball he has a hard time picking it up and many times the receiver comes down with it ... even if Ike has him covered.

I like Ike and he fits well into our system but he seems to take years off. In 2006 his play was so bad that Cowher benched him. I also don't give him a pass for last year. His play was as bad as Gay's yet for some reason he doesn't get the flack that Gay gets. Probably because he has had some good years and had a rep built up.

I'd love to see us keep Ike but Timmons and Woodley are much higher on my priority list.

RuthlessBurgher
10-26-2010, 01:46 PM
Taylor has his detractors. He doesn't intercept passes like Darrelle Revis of the New York Jets, but Revis hasn't won two Super Bowls, much less started in them. Taylor isn't flashy like Nnamdi Asomugha of the Oakland Raiders, but Asomugha doesn't force the run like Taylor does.

Nnamdi Asomugha is flashy? Since when?

Dude comes from an exceptional family and spends his offseason building centers for widow and orphans in Nigeria, and takes inner-city students who otherwise may not have considered attending college on trips across the country to prestigious universities (every one of these kids have gone on to attend college).

He was given the Whizzer White Man of the Year award last year and was the SI Sportsman of the Year a couple of years ago. If that's flashy, we should all aspire to be flashy.

Instead, most young corners want to be this kind of "Prime Time" flashy instead:

http://chicitysportsfan.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/prime.jpg

feltdizz
10-26-2010, 01:53 PM
I doubt Taylor leaves.. the only place I see him going is Arizona... and he will get toasted like BMac if he does...

Ike fits our system perfectly but I'm not sure he is a lock down man to man DB like most teams covet. Our FA defensive players have a tendency to look atrocious and out of place on other teams.

He is great for us.. but he is no where close to a top flight CB IMO...

NJ-STEELER
10-26-2010, 01:59 PM
heading into the season, i thought we could elt him go. but with the secondarys play, i think he';s a must sign as well.

good to see he sounds like he's willing to take a little less to stay with the steelers.

as far as wanting a big payday? he's earned what? 20-25M over his last contract.

another 5-6 per for the next 4 years or so would be another 20-30M

thats plenty of money, hopefully he realizes this