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MeetJoeGreene
10-22-2010, 08:13 AM
.. or would God-ell and his hypocrisy once again go against the Steelers?

(Hint: Rhetorical Question)

(Another Hint: Please don't turn this into a Hines Bashing thread)

(Yet Another Hint: I can't stand God-ell)

(Still Yet Another Hint: I am having a BAD week and am in a foul mood)

flippy
10-22-2010, 10:46 AM
Technically Hines should be able to hit someone, knock them out, and get the defender suspended in one fell swoop :wink

Don't let a week get you down bro. Today might be your last day in this world, so you may as well enjoy it.

I started thinking about the next Steelers / Ravens game and think Goddell might have to suspend everyone on the field except Skippy who can't tackle anything.

Actually Goodell should put Skippy on the video he sends to all the teams on tackling. If everyone tackled like Skippy, the NFL could go to a 50 game schedule.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
10-22-2010, 11:07 AM
Technically Hines should be able to hit someone, knock them out, and get the defender suspended in one fell swoop :wink

Don't let a week get you down bro. Today might be your last day in this world, so you may as well enjoy it.

I started thinking about the next Steelers / Ravens game and think Goddell might have to suspend everyone on the field except Skippy who can't tackle anything.

Actually Goodell should put Skippy on the video he sends to all the teams on tackling. If everyone tackled like Skippy, the NFL could go to a 50 game schedule.

:lol: :lol:

dsmith
10-22-2010, 11:34 AM
I started thinking about the next Steelers / Ravens game and think Goddell might have to suspend everyone on the field except Skippy who can't tackle anything.


I know this is a thread jack but I've been thinking about this. As much as I hate the Ravens, they are one of the few teams comparable to the Steelers when it comes to physical defense. I know it would never happen, but I would love to see these teams stage a silent protest, where on the initial drive both defenses just stood there and let the other team score. Give the NFL what they want.

Anyways back on topic, part of the problem is I have never seen Ward not pop up from a hit. I can honestly say I would be shocked if anyone ever got fined for hitting Ward.

And I can guarantee that his agent isn't going to be whining in the press about the other team being way too mean. There is a reason that the Browns are perennial losers

anger 82&95
10-22-2010, 11:51 AM
The obvious answer would have to be no. The replicant masquerading as a commissioner would fine Ward under the newly instituted “reverse instigator stipulation”. Then The Janitor and Silverback would be fleeced after being found guilty by complicity.

MeetJoeGreene
10-22-2010, 12:04 PM
The obvious answer would have to be no. The replicant masquerading as a commissioner would fine Ward under the newly instituted “reverse instigator stipulation”. Then The Janitor and Silverback would be fleeced after being found guilty by complicity.

Yup. That's what I was thinking as well.

ALLD
10-23-2010, 09:21 AM
Actually Ward would be fined and the LBer would be made defensive player of the week.

Discipline of Steel
10-23-2010, 01:39 PM
Actually Ward would be fined and the LBer would be made defensive player of the week.

Actually, Ward would be fined and made offensive player of the week :stirpot

hawaiiansteel
10-23-2010, 02:59 PM
Cook: 'That's football' says Steelers' Ward

Friday, October 22, 2010
By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


Generally speaking, there are two reactions among players to the NFL's new, get-tough policy on hits to the head. Offensive players -- especially wide receivers and running backs -- are in favor of it and welcome the extra protection. Defensive players -- especially linebackers and defensive backs -- think it's ridiculous and worry that the pro game will be ruined.

Then, there is Hines Ward. He is a linebacker trapped in a wide receiver's body. You might think he is conflicted. But he's not. Not even a little bit.

"It's ridiculous," Ward said Thursday. "You can't take the roughness out of football."

The NFL is trying. It fined three players, including Steelers linebacker James Harrison, for hits Sunday that it considered too violent. It has promised to suspend even first-time offenders for vicious hits, beginning with the games Sunday.

"Thing is, they came to training camp this summer and talked to us and said there would be a warning, then a fine, then a suspension," Ward said. "Now they want to skip the first two steps and go right to the suspension. It's wrong."

By now, everybody has seen the hits Sunday. They've been replayed endlessly on television. Harrison knocked Cleveland Browns wide receiver Mohamed Massaquoi out of the game and was fined $75,000 even though he wasn't penalized on the play and Steelers coach Mike Tomlin called it a legal, non-fineable hit. Atlanta Falcons cornerback Dunta Robinson led with his shoulder and had a violent collision with Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson, leaving both with head injuries that ended their day. New England Patriots safety Brandon Meriweather leaped head-first at Baltimore Ravens tight end Todd Heap's head and left Heap temporarily dazed. Robinson and Meriweather were fined $50,000 each. Harrison's fine was more because he was fined earlier in the season for trying to corkscrew Tennessee Titans quarterback Vince Young into the ground with a body slam. That was a much more dangerous play than his hit on Massaquoi.

Ward agreed with many longtime NFL observers that Meriweather's hit was the worst of the bunch. "It was an illegal hit. He jumped into him and led with the crown of his helmet."

But the others?

"That's football," Ward said. "It's a tough game. It has to be the toughest sport out there aside from maybe mixed-martial arts."

Ward knows it from all angles. During his 13-year career, he has taken his share of big hits and has said he has played with concussion-like symptoms. He also has delivered a number of infamous blocks on defenders, among them Rod Woodson, Ed Reed and Bart Scott. In the 2008 season, he broke the jaw of Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Keith Rivers. After the season, the NFL banned that sort of blindside hit. It's known as the Hines Ward rule.

"It's a tough game," Ward said again. "When we sign that contract, we know the risks. You don't have to play if you think it's too rough. We have guys quit in training camp every year because they can't take it. It's not for everybody. But those who play the game know the risks and are willing to take them."

Ward said a lot of the violent hits on pass plays across the middle could be eliminated if receivers played smarter. Harrison was able to deliver his blow to Massaquoi because the receiver came into his zone.

"You can't just run through zone coverage," Ward said. "If you run by one guy and then another guy, you have to know there's still going to be a third guy there waiting for you.

"That's why you always see me sitting down [stopping] when I see zone coverage. You're not supposed to run through zone coverage. You're supposed to find the opening and sit down."

Ward said quarterbacks -- especially young quarterbacks -- also need to have more regard for their receivers' safety. Browns rookie Colt McCoy filled in for injured veterans Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace against the Steelers and made his NFL debut.

"It's funny, I was talking to Massaquoi about quarterbacks pregame," Ward said. "I told him it's rough playing with three different quarterbacks. It's especially tough playing with a rookie. If he considers you his go-to guy, he's going to watch you run your route the whole way. That's what happened on that play when [Massaquoi] was hit. [McCoy] followed him with his eyes the whole way. James saw that and knew that pass was coming."

Robinson's hit on Jackson couldn't be so easily avoided, Ward said.

"His quarterback [Kevin Kolb] didn't see the cornerback there and led him right into him. What was [Robinson] supposed to do? He led with his shoulder. That's a good football play. If he tackles him low, he blows out his knees and ends his career. Is that what the league's trying to tell us it wants?"

Like many NFL players, Ward is troubled by what he calls the league's "hypocrisy." Pictures of Harrison's hit on Massaquoi were available for purchase through the NFL website until KDKA-TV reported on it and embarrassed league officials into pulling the photos. "They said it was a mistake, but they know what's on their website," Ward said.

The Steelers are just as guilty of the hypocrisy. At least once in each home game at Heinz Field, they play Styx's song "Renegade" with an accompanying scoreboard video that highlights many of the hits by Steelers players that the NFL now is saying are illegal. Ward's block of Rivers is on it. So are safety Ryan Clark's hits on the Patriots' Wes Welker and the Ravens' Willis McGahee. The crowd loves it. The Steelers' defenders get geeked. But does that make it any less hypocritical?

And don't even get Ward started on the NFL's plan to go to an 18-game schedule.

"They say they care about the players' safety and they want to add two games?" he asked. "If they really cared about us, they should give us health care for life. But you know that's not going to happen."

Still, Ward plans on showing up Sunday in Miami to play the Dolphins. As he said, the game isn't for everybody. But, clearly, it's for him, violence, warts and all.


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10295/10 ... z13D4gUDyR (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10295/1097187-87.stm#ixzz13D4gUDyR)

flippy
11-01-2010, 09:27 AM
We found out. PI on Hines. :lol

Tomlinator
11-01-2010, 09:44 AM
Sadly, I was mildly annoyed that the Saints DB didn't draw a flag on that pass to Hines in the endzone. He hit Ward in the upper back and their helmets touched, and both got up slow. I figured the ref would call him defenseless. I've seen lighter hits get called.

Like a dumba$$ I sat there waiting for the Goodell rule to take effect. Should know that if Hines is involved it won't happen.

Steelgal
11-01-2010, 09:48 AM
Also, not to hyjack the thread, but what do you think the chances are Harrison gets fined again for the unsportsmanlike penalty on Brees (I think it was). The moron Collingsworth kept going ON and ON about it. I think he even mentioned possible suspension. Are there ANY announcers out there that aren't Steeler haters :Hater

Crash
11-01-2010, 10:06 AM
We'll see. Hines was hit in the back of his helmet by a Saints players helmet.

A clear helmet to helmet hit.

MeetJoeGreene
11-01-2010, 10:09 AM
We'll see. Hines was hit in the back of his helmet by a Saints players helmet.

A clear helmet to helmet hit.

If a Steeler had THROWN that hit, you better believe it would have been a flag.

I hope Rooney/Colbert/Tomlin send a tape to the NFL ...