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Oviedo
10-11-2010, 08:00 AM
Favre's transgressions seem to have all the elements that ben was accused of and that evil "sex" word is involved. How could Godell possible give Favre anything less than 6 games with a possible reduction to 4 with good behavior?

Anything other than that and it will just be proof about what Ben's suspension was really about. Saving his face and setting up a white QB to take the fall as a PR move :stirpot

Djfan
10-11-2010, 08:31 AM
He would date his grandmother before he did that to Favre.

feltdizz
10-11-2010, 08:34 AM
Favre's transgressions seem to have all the elements that ben was accused of and that evil "sex" word is involved. How could Godell possible give Favre anything less than 6 games with a possible reduction to 4 with good behavior?

Anything other than that and it will just be proof about what Ben's suspension was really about. Saving his face and setting up a white QB to take the fall as a PR move :stirpot

Goodell set Ben up? :D

papillon
10-11-2010, 08:48 AM
Favre's transgressions seem to have all the elements that ben was accused of and that evil "sex" word is involved. How could Godell possible give Favre anything less than 6 games with a possible reduction to 4 with good behavior?

Anything other than that and it will just be proof about what Ben's suspension was really about. Saving his face and setting up a white QB to take the fall as a PR move :stirpot

Ben was accused twice within a year of the same "event" (so to speak). This is Favre's first offense of this nature; he will not be suspended, nor should he be, at this point in time. This is more a personal issue between Favre, his wife and the former FSU honey.

Edit: Evidently, Favre did similar "texting" :lol: to a couple of massage therapists employed by the Jets, but not working for the Jets as well as Miss Sterger. I'm sure this will only count as one incident, since it all occurred while he was a Jet.

Pappy

feltdizz
10-11-2010, 10:40 AM
Favre's transgressions seem to have all the elements that ben was accused of and that evil "sex" word is involved. How could Godell possible give Favre anything less than 6 games with a possible reduction to 4 with good behavior?

Anything other than that and it will just be proof about what Ben's suspension was really about. Saving his face and setting up a white QB to take the fall as a PR move :stirpot

Ben was accused twice within a year of the same "event" (so to speak). This is Favre's first offense of this nature; he will not be suspended, nor should he be, at this point in time. This is more a personal issue between Favre, his wife and the former FSU honey.

Edit: Evidently, Favre did similar "texting" :lol: to a couple of massage therapists employed by the Jets, but not working for the Jets as well as Miss Sterger. I'm sure this will only count as one incident, since it all occurred while he was a Jet.

Pappy

yeah, if he has a meeting with Goodell and 2 months later he is caught doing it again he will get a suspension. However, I don't know the specifics or how vulgar, frequent and disgusting some of these messages and photo's may be. I think they are scrubbing the net to make sure they don't get out.

Holmes wasn't suspended when he had that awful shower photo up on the net...

NJ-STEELER
10-11-2010, 12:23 PM
those therapists were hired by the jets at camp

so the work place thing might come into effect there as well

aggiebones
10-12-2010, 12:04 PM
A work place thing really only affects you when you work there, right?

If I did that at my current job, then quit to work elsewhere, it doesn't follow me does it?
Just wondering.

Anyway, I too agree that he'd have to do something equally stupid now. He could be doing this now with some Viking hoes. I'd say stuff that happened 2 years ago that weren't illegal will garner nothing more than a fine. If he is doing it still with the Vikings, then he could be suspended.
If they lose a couple more games, he could just retire midseason and run off into the sunset.

feltdizz
10-12-2010, 12:12 PM
A work place thing really only affects you when you work there, right?

If I did that at my current job, then quit to work elsewhere, it doesn't follow me does it?
Just wondering.



It does... if you are a journalist and you quit your job and are found guilty of plagerism... I think your new job may have a problem with it.

Didn't the Jets get fined because Favre said he was hurt when he played for the Jets? This was after he "retired"

I think that fine and retirement has a lot to do with the timing of this scandal. You can't keep taking dumps without flushing the toilet... Favre has been leaving some stinkers lately, the teams who gave in to his demands get what they deserve but he is a fool to think there wasn't some bad blood.

Mister Pittsburgh
10-12-2010, 12:14 PM
Favre's transgressions seem to have all the elements that ben was accused of and that evil "sex" word is involved. How could Godell possible give Favre anything less than 6 games with a possible reduction to 4 with good behavior?

Anything other than that and it will just be proof about what Ben's suspension was really about. Saving his face and setting up a white QB to take the fall as a PR move :stirpot

Ben was accused twice within a year of the same "event" (so to speak). This is Favre's first offense of this nature; he will not be suspended, nor should he be, at this point in time. This is more a personal issue between Favre, his wife and the former FSU honey.

Edit: Evidently, Favre did similar "texting" :lol: to a couple of massage therapists employed by the Jets, but not working for the Jets as well as Miss Sterger. I'm sure this will only count as one incident, since it all occurred while he was a Jet.

Pappy

Ben was 'accused' by two skanks out on the town. Favre sent actual pics of his junk and harrassed a JETS EMPLOYEE. Favres incident is way worse than Bens.

Anyway, I envision Favre quitting football if lord goodell attempts to suspend him.

feltdizz
10-12-2010, 12:20 PM
Favre's transgressions seem to have all the elements that ben was accused of and that evil "sex" word is involved. How could Godell possible give Favre anything less than 6 games with a possible reduction to 4 with good behavior?

Anything other than that and it will just be proof about what Ben's suspension was really about. Saving his face and setting up a white QB to take the fall as a PR move :stirpot

Ben was accused twice within a year of the same "event" (so to speak). This is Favre's first offense of this nature; he will not be suspended, nor should he be, at this point in time. This is more a personal issue between Favre, his wife and the former FSU honey.

Edit: Evidently, Favre did similar "texting" :lol: to a couple of massage therapists employed by the Jets, but not working for the Jets as well as Miss Sterger. I'm sure this will only count as one incident, since it all occurred while he was a Jet.

Pappy

Ben was 'accused' by two skanks out on the town. Favre sent actual pics of his junk and harrassed a JETS EMPLOYEE. Favres incident is way worse than Bens.

Anyway, I envision Favre quitting football if lord goodell attempts to suspend him.

way worse? Gimme a break... I know it makes for a great story but a few photo's and a "hey baby, come over" is no where close to rape and sexual assault allegations in 2 straight off seasons.

I'm not saying Favre should get off or isn't wrong for his actions but I would love for Ben to have Favre's accusations instead of what he had thrown at him. I know sexual harassment has huge payouts but I don't think it's nearly as bad as what Ben did or didn't do.

Ghost
10-12-2010, 12:54 PM
But if we're going on the "protect the shield" logic there's no bigger name than Farve in the NFL. And sending lewd pictures and leaving voice mails (also being investigated) to possibly 2 different women certainly does nothing to uphold the brand name. That's not a code of conduct violation?

People believe Ben got hit hard b/c of his name and wanting to show a strong hand. What would show a stronger hand than a suspension of the Golden Boy?

As a side note - I love this happening to him. He's been a giant douche for years going back to the way he handeled himself in Green Bay. D!ck to Aaron Rogers and their management. And the retire/unretire crap each year. This embarrassment couldnt happen to a bigger a$$!!

RuthlessBurgher
10-12-2010, 01:18 PM
I also heard that Favre said that he wouldn't marry Cameron Diaz because of her brother Warren.

:stirpot

http://blog.greenwichtime.com/realtime/files/2009/08/favre.jpg

flippy
10-12-2010, 01:48 PM
Santonio had his wang out in some picture and nothing happened to him.

Same will be true for Bret.

It's okay if Goodell gets to see the pic.

But if there's no evidence, you deserve 4-6 games cause Goodell's jealous he didn't see it.

Crash
10-12-2010, 02:05 PM
Goodell won't suspend Favre, he doesn't impact his beloved Ravens chances for success like Ben does.

phillyesq
10-12-2010, 02:14 PM
way worse? Gimme a break... I know it makes for a great story but a few photo's and a "hey baby, come over" is no where close to rape and sexual assault allegations in 2 straight off seasons.

I'm not saying Favre should get off or isn't wrong for his actions but I would love for Ben to have Favre's accusations instead of what he had thrown at him. I know sexual harassment has huge payouts but I don't think it's nearly as bad as what Ben did or didn't do.

The [u]accusations[u] against Ben were unquestionably more serious than those against Favre. That said, there have been no criminal charges brought against Ben, and there was not even probable cause do to so in GA. Thus, given the rules that we've chose to establish for our society, he is presumed innocent of any crime, and we can only assume that his suspension was for drunken, boorish behavior.

The Favre situation is quite interesting. By sexually harassing employees of the Jets, he created potential civil liability for the Jets, and perhaps even for the NFL. Goodell has not only a right, but an obligation, to ensure that the NFL workplace is free from harassment. The Jets have a similar responsibility.

There is no doubt that the NFL is trying to court female fans. While breast cancer awareness is a worthy cause, all of the pink being worn this month is meant to court a female audience. While I realize that diehard female fans of the Steelers are an exception to the norm, I've heard many women remark recently about liking the pink being worn in one fashion or another.

Goodell now will worry about whether Favre's actions tarnished the shield, with his responsibilities, and the goals of the NFL, serving as a backdrop. Serving as a further backdrop is his problematic decision to start policing morality. I don't think the NFL wants to see Favre's career end with a suspension, but I also don't see how Goodell can stand for players sending unwelcome pictures of their junk to female employees of NFL teams.

This will be an interesting situation, but I think the NFL has to do something here (provided, of course, that there is some merit found to the allegations).

feltdizz
10-12-2010, 02:25 PM
Goodell won't suspend Favre, he doesn't impact his beloved Ravens chances for success like Ben does.

Why do you keep saying Goodell loves the Ravens... I have no love for the Ravens but some of the flags against them are borderline cheating.

The roughing the passer flag on Suggs? How could Goodell let his beloved team get flagged? LOL!!

Crash
10-12-2010, 02:35 PM
Goodell loves the city of Baltimore. Read up.

He parades an ex-con and refers to him as The Great Ray Lewis on draft night days after suspending uncharged Ben.

Ben's 4th game out is against the Ravens in Pittsburgh, where Ben is 6-1 against them in Heinz Field.

The Ravens complain to Goodell that they play too many prime time games in Pittsburgh, so the Steelers then end up with back to back prime time games at Baltimore.

Not a coincidence IMO.

feltdizz
10-12-2010, 03:09 PM
Goodell loves the city of Baltimore. Read up.

He parades an ex-con and refers to him as The Great Ray Lewis on draft night days after suspending uncharged Ben.

Ben's 4th game out is against the Ravens in Pittsburgh, where Ben is 6-1 against them in Heinz Field.

The Ravens complain to Goodell that they play too many prime time games in Pittsburgh, so the Steelers then end up with back to back prime time games at Baltimore.

Not a coincidence IMO.

dude... you need help. You keep pointing out compliments given to players who were in trouble before Goodell was the commish and linking them to Ben.

What about Atlanta, TN and Tampa... what love does he have for them?

hawaiiansteel
10-12-2010, 03:20 PM
Monday Madden: After Ben fiasco, NFL has to suspend Favre

By: Mark Madden Beaver County Times
Sunday October 10, 2010 11:41 PM

http://media.timesonline.com/thumb/368x276/11favre707062.jpg

FILE - In this Aug. 22, 2010, file photo, Minnesota Vikings quarterback Brett Favre, center, signals in the huddle in the first quarter of an NFL preseason football game against the San Francisco 49ers in San Francisco. Two 40-year-old future Hall of Famers in the twilight of their careers have found new energy in Minnesota. Brett Favre had the best season of his career last year with the Vikings, and Jim Thome is enjoying a renaissance year in his first season with the Twins. (AP Photo/Tony Avelar, File)


When NFL commissioner Roger Goodell suspended Ben Roethlisberger despite no charges filed or evidence existing, he painted himself into a corner. With Roethlisberger punished thusly, how can Goodell not penalize everyone who has tangibly broken the NFL’s personal conduct policy?

Goodell has already given free passes to some lesser lights.

But now Goodell faces a huge PR dilemma. Brett Favre stands accused of sexually harassing a fellow New York Jets employee in 2008, leaving a comprehensive trail of video and audio evidence.

The conventional media did its level best to ignore the story, but gonzo website Deadspin.com continued the TMZ-ing of sports by posting damning voice mails, Facebook entries and extremely risqué texts allegedly sent by Favre to Jenn Sterger (now with Versus, then with the Jets’ in-house TV network).

Roethlisberger missed four games based on he-said, she-said. This goes way beyond. There seems little doubt that it’s Favre on the voice mails. The caller has a Mississippi area code; Favre resides in Mississippi. A watch seen in the pornographic “sexts” sent to Sterger matches one often worn by Favre.

Two massage therapists who worked for the Jets during Favre’s tenure are also said to be targets of unwanted and unsolicited sexual advances from Favre.

Sterger is cooperating with the NFL’s investigation. If her evidence is seen as compelling, Favre will be questioned.

But is Goodell willing to suspend a legend? If not, where does that leave the personal conduct policy?

Goodell is a dictator. A dictator is just a con man with power. Goodell doesn’t need to justify. But lots of people are watching very closely, not least of all Mrs. Favre. Brett has probably already called Kobe Bryant’s jeweler.

As a snarky new-age radio host, I see nothing wrong with l’affaire Favre being reported. I saw nothing wrong with Roethlisberger’s troubles being documented, either, though I felt some aspects of what happened were unfair. Deadspin.com has been castigated for taking Favre to task. But Deadspin.com’s reporting has been exemplary, ahead of the curve and has reduced the rest of the media to riding its coattails or scrambling to catch up.

As a forthcoming biography of Mickey Mantle points out, sportswriters stopped ignoring the malfeasance of athletes after the New York Yankees brawled at the Copacabana night club in 1957. Babe Ruth played in the right era.

As for Sterger, you can’t hate Favre for trying. But Favre comes off as begging, and only a moron would scatter so much proof. It’s like Favre wanted to get caught. Forget the conduct policy; Favre looks like a geek.

If Goodell chooses to not suspend Favre, it’s favoritism. The smoking guns are too plentiful.

If Goodell does suspend Favre, Favre’s legacy is tainted. His record-setting consecutive starts streak would end. It wouldn’t be shocking to see Favre quit in a fit of petulance. He’s always exhibited entitlement, and might perversely feel betrayed by the NFL. Favre thinks he does football a favor by playing.

The thought of Randy Moss having maneuvered himself into playing catch with Tarvaris Jackson is more than a bit amusing.

As for the TMZ-ing of sports, one thing seems certain: It won’t stop. Those who cover sports old-school style are likely to fail in the attempt.

No sympathy for Favre. He’s a married man, a grandfather. With his stature comes a certain responsibility — not to the fans, media or football, but to himself and his family. Don’t be a dirty old man.

What Roethlisberger did was ill-advised.

What Favre did was against the law, against NFL rules, against New York Jets policy and just plain dumb.

I hope Sterger and Ines Sainz wind up in the same Playboy. Are the Jets running a football team or a sex farm?

Mark Madden hosts a radio show 3-6 p.m. weekdays on WXDX-FM (105.9).

http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sport ... vre-1.html (http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sports_details/article/1501/2010/october/10/monday-madden-after-ben-fiasco-nfl-has-to-suspend-favre-1.html)

feltdizz
10-12-2010, 03:35 PM
I hope Sterger and Ines Sainz wind up in the same Playboy.


:wft

Oviedo
10-12-2010, 04:03 PM
I hope Sterger and Ines Sainz wind up in the same Playboy.


:wft

Why not throw the sorority slut and her lying, co-conspirator slut sorority sisters in the same issue
:stirpot

Crash
10-12-2010, 04:07 PM
You keep pointing out compliments given to players who were in trouble before Goodell was the commish and linking them to Ben.

Goodell also covered up SpyGate, we were the most affected team by it in the AFC.

Goodell also forced the Rooney's to disband a 20 year ownership group because they own slot machines, and poker rooms. But he has no problem allowing teams to make deals with state lotteries.

What about players who were accused and or guilty AFTER Ben who are on the Steelers schedule?

Rogers (A repeat offender)? Nothing.

Mauluga? Nothing.

Vince Young (week 2 opponent without Ben)? Nothing.

Goodell has some issue with the Steelers, the facts are simply too great to ignore.

aggiebones
10-12-2010, 04:09 PM
Take the whole sentence and remove the correct words:


I hope Sterger and Ines Sainz wind up in the same Playboy. Are the Jets running a football team or a sex farm?

I hope Sterger and Ines Sainz wind up in the same sex farm. Now we're talking. lol


Who's the dirty old man, now.



Eh, is what Favre did, really against the law? Also its been a couple years. I assume the statute of limitation has run out on this. Maybe a civil suit gets her money without having to go to criminal courts. Either way, who cares.
Favre is an affable chap that is retiring after this season. It hurts the NFL Shield to suspend him. They likely were hoping this would just go away. I could see him in counseling and a fine. Again, unless he is doing the same thing in Minn.

Oviedo
10-12-2010, 04:52 PM
You keep pointing out compliments given to players who were in trouble before Goodell was the commish and linking them to Ben.

Goodell also covered up SpyGate, we were the most affected team by it in the AFC.

Goodell also forced the Rooney's to disband a 20 year ownership group because they own slot machines, and poker rooms. But he has no problem allowing teams to make deals with state lotteries.

What about players who were accused and or guilty AFTER Ben who are on the Steelers schedule?

Rogers (A repeat offender)? Nothing.

Mauluga? Nothing.

Vince Young (week 2 opponent without Ben)? Nothing.

Goodell has some issue with the Steelers, the facts are simply too great to ignore.

Exactly and the those who think Ben was fairly judged need to wake up. I would have had no problem with the suspension if others woiuld have also been suspended.

The only standard that Goodell has is a complete lack of standards. He makes it up as he goes depending on who is involved and the pressure he will get. Other woners would not rollover for the "good of the league" so he took the Rooneys and the Steelers for a ride. You are exactly right about gambling. I bought a lottery ticket here in Florida this morning. Want to know what was on it? The logos of the Dolphins, Bucs and Jags.

There is hard evidence by all accounts on what Favre did. There was no evidence against Ben. What do you want to bet that Ben ends up having gotten the most punsihment?

NJ-STEELER
10-12-2010, 05:06 PM
i wonder if the pics were wide angled enuff to see john madden slobbering on brett's johnson

feltdizz
10-12-2010, 07:49 PM
You keep pointing out compliments given to players who were in trouble before Goodell was the commish and linking them to Ben.

Goodell also covered up SpyGate, we were the most affected team by it in the AFC.

Goodell also forced the Rooney's to disband a 20 year ownership group because they own slot machines, and poker rooms. But he has no problem allowing teams to make deals with state lotteries.

What about players who were accused and or guilty AFTER Ben who are on the Steelers schedule?

Rogers (A repeat offender)? Nothing.

Mauluga? Nothing.

Vince Young (week 2 opponent without Ben)? Nothing.

Goodell has some issue with the Steelers, the facts are simply too great to ignore.

I think you have some issues with Goodell that are simply too crazy to ignore.

You really think Goodell is looking at who we play before deciding if a player is suspended?
That is coofuccingcoo

Goodell hates the team and owner who led the search committee that picked him to be the commish? Really? I don't think a guy who hates the Steelers would schedule Ben's return during a bye week so he can get an extra week to get reps with his team before his first start against the Browns.

State lotteries fund state programs like parks and rec, education and transportation.
Slots and Poker profits go directly into the owners pockets. The other Rooney's made a choice... that preferred gambling profits.

Crash
10-12-2010, 08:09 PM
You really think Goodell is looking at who we play before deciding if a player is suspended?

So you are telling me it's mere coincidence that Ben got 6 games and the Steelers have NO PRIME TIME GAMES in those first six weeks, but then when he returns the Steelers are on Prime Time five times in the seasons final 10 weeks (If Ben served the full six)?

You cannot be that dumb.

I'm telling you, given Goodell's affection for the city of Baltimore, that it wasn't a coincidence that they played us in Pittsburgh without Ben.

grotonsteel
10-12-2010, 08:22 PM
You keep pointing out compliments given to players who were in trouble before Goodell was the commish and linking them to Ben.

Goodell also covered up SpyGate, we were the most affected team by it in the AFC.

Goodell also forced the Rooney's to disband a 20 year ownership group because they own slot machines, and poker rooms. But he has no problem allowing teams to make deals with state lotteries.

What about players who were accused and or guilty AFTER Ben who are on the Steelers schedule?

Rogers (A repeat offender)? Nothing.

Mauluga? Nothing.

Vince Young (week 2 opponent without Ben)? Nothing.

Goodell has some issue with the Steelers, the facts are simply too great to ignore.

Exactly and the those who think Ben was fairly judged need to wake up. I would have had no problem with the suspension if others woiuld have also been suspended.

The only standard that Goodell has is a complete lack of standards. He makes it up as he goes depending on who is involved and the pressure he will get. Other woners would not rollover for the "good of the league" so he took the Rooneys and the Steelers for a ride. You are exactly right about gambling. I bought a lottery ticket here in Florida this morning. Want to know what was on it? The logos of the Dolphins, Bucs and Jags.

There is hard evidence by all accounts on what Favre did. There was no evidence against Ben. What do you want to bet that Ben ends up having gotten the most punsihment?


:Agree

I still can't believe when ARII came out in support of Goodell in spygate...Heat was on Goodell for destroying evidence....

grotonsteel
10-12-2010, 08:23 PM
i wonder if the pics were wide angled enuff to see john madden slobbering on brett's johnson



:lol:

feltdizz
10-12-2010, 09:05 PM
You really think Goodell is looking at who we play before deciding if a player is suspended?

So you are telling me it's mere coincidence that Ben got 6 games and the Steelers have NO PRIME TIME GAMES in those first six weeks, but then when he returns the Steelers are on Prime Time five times in the seasons final 10 weeks (If Ben served the full six)?

You cannot be that dumb.

I'm telling you, given Goodell's affection for the city of Baltimore, that it wasn't a coincidence that they played us in Pittsburgh without Ben.

No... I'm saying Goodell didn't look at Rogers, Vince Young and Maluagu and check our schedule before deciding not to suspend them.

He couldn't suspend Maugula anyway since it was his first DUI. You need 2.

I'm still waiting to hear why Goodell loves Baltimore so much. I haven't seen anything in these last few years that shows his affection for them.

Crash
10-12-2010, 09:09 PM
I'm still waiting to hear why Goodell loves Baltimore so much. I haven't seen anything in these last few years that shows his affection for them.

Go read up.

kiwi_sarah
10-12-2010, 09:12 PM
As for the TMZ-ing of sports, one thing seems certain: It won’t stop. Those who cover sports old-school style are likely to fail in the attempt.....

I hope Sterger and Ines Sainz wind up in the same Playboy. Are the Jets running a football team or a sex farm?

Wow. Pot....Kettle. Anyone who doesn't think Mark Madden is an idiot...is...well...an idiot.

feltdizz
10-12-2010, 09:13 PM
:Agree

I still can't believe when ARII came out in support of Goodell in spygate...Heat was on Goodell for destroying evidence....

How many owners complained? ZERO...

Why? Because a long played out spygate would hurt the whole league and hurt the bottom line.

It's no different then the MLB and the list they won't release... why not persecute all the cheaters? Because it would hurt the league.

The Donahue NBA ref scandal. He said more refs were in on fixing spreads but did the owners complain about every game he ref'ed that their team lost? No.. they shut up and kept it moving because it would hurt the

stlrz d
10-12-2010, 10:34 PM
Apparently Brett Favre texted his dong to the Chilean miners and asked them if they could identify the rock formation they were sent.

grotonsteel
10-12-2010, 11:09 PM
:Agree

I still can't believe when ARII came out in support of Goodell in spygate...Heat was on Goodell for destroying evidence....

How many owners complained? ZERO...



How many owners apart from ARII came out to support Goodell....yeah you guess right... ZERO..