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LordVile
10-11-2010, 12:15 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4874 ... ine#page/1 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/487425-pittsburgh-steelers-ben-roethlisberger-on-fast-track-to-the-hall-of-fame?fb_ref=article_bottom&fb_source=home_multiline#page/1)

NFL football is a team game. Individuals do not win many football games on their own. A total team effort is needed if a team is going to be successful in the NFL.

The team, however, is made up of individuals. There are statistics that are kept for individuals, and based on those stats, some people choose to define the worth of an individual player.

In some cases, the players with the best stats (Dan Marino, Jim Kelly), do not lead their team to the promised land and have a total of 0 Lombardi Trophies in their trophy case. That does not mean that they were not great players, only that the teams that they were on were not the best in football.

Then there are those players that play on great teams. Ben Roethlisberger comes to mind. Because of the talent around him, people are quick to question how great of a player he is based on his stats.

The Hall of Fame does not have a specific criteria for enshrinement. Some players that are in the Hall of Fame have never won a Super Bowl. Many players that have won multiple Super Bowls are not in the Hall.

So, what does a player have to do to be included in the discussion of being Hall of Fame-worthy? And, why

The quarterback position is the most visible on the football field. They are the generals; they are the leaders of the offense.

For a QB to be worthy of the Hall of Fame, he has to produce wins.

In his six years as the starting QB of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Roethlisberger has compiled a record of 60-26. That is an average of 10 wins per season, to only four losses.

Roethlisberger also has the most wins ever to start a career, with 15. He was undefeated as a starter in his rookie season with 14 win, and won his first playoff game to bring his total to 15.

Add to that the fact that Roethlisberger currently has a playoff record of 8-2, with a 2-0 Super Bowl record.

For those people that only want to look at stats, you need to consider ALL of the stats and not just the ones that you choose to look at.

Career Completion: 63.3 percent

Yards: 19,302

TD/Int: 127/81

Rating: 91.7

NFL Rookie of the Year: 2004

For those of you that want to compare Roethlisberger's stats to the likes of Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady, you have to realize that his numbers could not possibly be equal to any of theirs due to the fact they have all been playing longer than Roethlisberger.

If you want to compare stats to a player in NFL history that is considered one of the best ever, the closest comparison is one Joe Montana.



Passing Yards

Montana: 19,166

Roethlisberger: 19,302



Passing Attempts

Montana 2548

Roethlisberger 2411



Yards Per Attempt

Montana: 7.5

Roethlisberger: 8.0



TD Passes

Montana: 132

Roethlisberger: 127



Touchdown Percentage Per Pass

Montana: 5.1 percent

Roethlisberger: 5.3 percent



Completions

Montana: 1614

Roethlisberger 1526



Percentage

Montana: 63.3 percent

Roethlisberger: 63.3 percent



Win Percentage

Montana: 65 percent

Roethlisberger: 69 percent



Interception Percentage

Montana: 2.6 percent

Roethlisberger: 3.3 percent



Yards Per Completion

Montana: 11.8

Roethlisberger: 12.6



Fourth Quarter Comebacks

Montana: 12

Roethlisberger: 17



Game-Winning Drives

Montana: 11

Roethlisberger: 21



Postseason Play

Montana: Nine postseason games

Roethlisberger: 10 postseason games



Montana: 7-2 record in postseason

Roethlisberger: 8-2 record in postseason



Montana: 0-2 record on the road in postseason

Roethlisberger: 3-0 record on the road in postseason



Montana: 2464 passing yards in postseason

Roethlisberger: 2239 passing yards in postseason



Montana: 60 percent completion percentage in post season

Roethlisberger: 61.9 percent completion percentage in post season



Montana: 7.6 yards per attempt in postseason

Roethlisberger: 8.0 yards per attempt in posteason



Montana: 17-12 TD to INT ratio in postseason

Roethlisberger: 15-12 TD to INT ratio in postseason



Does ANYBODY think that Joe Montana does not deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?

As quickly as people point to the performance of Ben Roethlisberger in Super Bowl XL, much is forgotten about the Playoffs that led to Super Bowl XL.

The Steelers entered the 2005 postseason as the sixth seed in the AFC. In their first game, the Steelers defeated the AFC North Champion Cincinnati Bengals. Roethlisberger threw for 208 yards in a 31-17 victory.

Against the Indianapolis Colts, the top seed in the AFC, Roethlisberger only threw for 197 yards but made a play at the end of the game that saved the Steelers' season.

After a Jerome Bettis fumble on the goal line, Roethlisberger made a game-saving tackle at midfield, that preserved the Steelers' lead and won them the game.

Against the Denver Broncos, Rothlieberger threw for 275 yards, and three first-half touchdowns to eliminate the Broncos and send the Steelers to the Super Bowl.

The play of Roethlisberger in Super Bowl XLIII SHOULD HAVE won him the Super Bowl MVP. Roethlisberger led the Steelers, who were down by three with just over two minutes left in the game, to a victory. The drive was one for the ages, and Roethlisberger grew into one of the elite passers in the NFL.

The IT factor is hard to describe, but Roethlisberger obviously has IT.

IT is something that can not be taught. IT is playing great under pressure. IT is the ability not to fold under pressure. IT is the ability for your team to look at you, regardless of the situation, and believe they can win. IT is the difference between elite and good.

Ben Roethlisberger has IT.

If anyone were to ask if Ben Roethlisberger would be in the Hall of Fame if he were to retire today, the answer would obviously be NO. Though there would be some consideration for his two Super Bowl victories, at this point, I don't believe he would make it.

The Hall of Fame is not for people that only play a few years. In my opinion, a player needs at least 10 years of better than average play to be considered for the HoF.

If his first six seasons, Roethlisberger has a QB rating of 98 or higher in four of his six seasons. One of those seasons, 2006 (75.4), was after his motorcycle accident and his emergency appendectomy prior to the first game of the season.

The other season was in 2008, and that rating was 80.1

Some people will say that, due to the off the field issues that Ben Roethlisberger has had over his career, he does not deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

There are many men in the Hall of Fame that have had issues off the field. Michael Irving, Joe Nameth, OJ Simpson, and many others, have had legal troubles during and after their induction.

The Hall of Fame is not intended to reflect a player's off-the-field life, but his life between the lines. The Hall is based on a player's performance, and that is the only way people can fairly determine who should be in the Hall.

Love him, or hate him, few people can question the ability of Ben Roethlisberger. He is the unquestioned leader of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

As great as the Steelers have played thus far in 2010, they will be a different team once Big Ben returns to the lineup.

No longer will teams know that the Steelers are going to be running the ball 65 percent of the game. Teams that decide to stack eight men in the box will have to deal with man-to-man coverage against the rocket arm of Big Ben.

No longer will the defense have to hold teams to 14 points or fewer in order for the Steelers to have a chance to win.

Because of Ben Roethlisberger the Steelers are going to be a considerably better team—one that will have a legitimate shot at winning the Super Bowl in 2010.

IF Roethlisberger leads the Steelers to another Super Bowl victory, he will then be the winner of three Super Bowls. There is NO other QB in the history of the NFL with three Super Bowl victories that is not in the Hall of Fame. :tt2

hawaiiansteel
10-11-2010, 01:04 AM
nice read, thanks for posting! :Cheers

it would be very interesting indeed if Ben won another Super Bowl, it would then be tough to keep him out of the Hall of Fame.

Crash
10-11-2010, 01:22 AM
Ben is pigeon holed by our "image", that's why that comparison for the most part gets ignored.

Case in point, fans are actually "praising" the 2010 running game, when in reality without Ben, it has been erratic at best.

hawaiiansteel
10-11-2010, 01:25 AM
Case in point, fans are actually "praising" the 2010 running game, when in reality without Ben, it has been erratic at best.



that's because without Ben, other teams will play 8 and 9 man fronts.

Crash
10-11-2010, 01:36 AM
Case in point, fans are actually "praising" the 2010 running game, when in reality without Ben, it has been erratic at best.



that's because without Ben, other teams will play 8 and 9 man fronts.

The defensive fronts are irrelevant. It's being predictable based on formation that kills us.

One example: David Johnson has been on the field for 56 plays. We've run the ball on 51 of them.

Ben started 15 games last year and our redzone offense sucked because we couldn't run the ball. Teams knew what was coming based on who was on the field.

LordVile
10-11-2010, 02:10 AM
nice read, thanks for posting! :Cheers

it would be very interesting indeed if Ben won another Super Bowl, it would then be tough to keep him out of the Hall of Fame.

no problemo.. yeah, if he wins again he'd have to be in the HOF. I found those stat comparisons to Joe Montana particularly compelling. Was my first time at that website but as u'all already probably know they got some great articles over there.

feltdizz
10-11-2010, 01:14 PM
Ben is pigeon holed by our "image", that's why that comparison for the most part gets ignored.

Case in point, fans are actually "praising" the 2010 running game, when in reality without Ben, it has been erratic at best.

erratic? I disagree.. IMO I think it has been pretty good given the QB's we were working with. I don't expect 5 yard gains everytime we run the ball, it would be nice... but against TN and Baltimore I expect running to be a little difficult.

hawaiiansteel
10-11-2010, 01:52 PM
The defensive fronts are irrelevant. It's being predictable based on formation that kills us.

One example: David Johnson has been on the field for 56 plays. We've run the ball on 51 of them.



that Bruce Arians is a friggen genius, I'll bet we fooled the heck out of those other teams the 5 times we threw the ball with David Johnson on the field. :lol:

feltdizz
10-11-2010, 01:59 PM
The defensive fronts are irrelevant. It's being predictable based on formation that kills us.

One example: David Johnson has been on the field for 56 plays. We've run the ball on 51 of them.



that Bruce Arians is a friggen genius, I'll bet we fooled the heck out of those other teams the 5 times we threw the ball with David Johnson on the field. :lol:

didn't people want a FB for Mend to run behind so he could have the extra blocker? Now that we run with a FB it's predictable?

or maybe... just maybe.. without Ben we just pounded the rock because it was the best option given our QB injury to Lefty right before the season started.

SteelAbility
10-11-2010, 03:35 PM
Isn't Jim Plunkett the only two-time SB winning QB not in the HOF? If Ben wins one more he's a lock.