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hawaiiansteel
09-30-2010, 03:27 PM
Updated: September 30, 2010

Michael Vick's lessons for Big Ben

By Johnette Howard
Special to ESPN.com

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Ben Roethlisberger has had some time to sit and reflect. Has he learned anything?


There's a pretty convincing mountain of evidence that athletes are no different than politicians, rock stars, teachers, bankers, pancake house waitresses, you, me, your neighbor Vinny and possibly everyone sitting under lock and key right now at Rikers Island when it comes to this: We all tend not to learn enough from each other's mistakes and triumphs. We just don't.

So maybe it's wishful thinking to imagine that Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has spent his four-game NFL suspension diligently taking notes on Michael Vick's career renaissance, now that Roethlisberger is the next athlete coming down the disgrace-to-"redemption" conveyor belt and is about to get spat back into public life.

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With his star on the upswing, Michael Vick has said the right things.


Vick's comeback with the Philadelphia Eagles isn't some redemption story as much as it's a case study about being a star interrupted or, more accurately, a man gone overboard. And the same is true of Roethlisberger, a two-time Super Bowl champion-turned-recovering lout who will report back to work Monday to a Pittsburgh Steelers team that could be 4-0 without him if it beats division archrival Baltimore on Sunday at Heinz Field. The Steelers' startling success -- one and a half games of it achieved with fourth-string quarterback Charlie Batch -- has led to a spate of taunting headlines like, "Ben Who?"

The idea that either Vick or Roethlisberger could take a hiatus from the NFL and return to his previous level of play isn't all that outrageous considering how good they were. But the possibility that either of them could change substantially as human beings -- at least enough to limbo under the low-hanging bar of not getting in trouble again -- now, that's where their stories intersect and get interesting.

There's a lot Roethlisberger could learn from Vick's resurrection -- starting with how to deal with success on the field and contempt caused by missteps off it.

Both Vick and Roethlisberger have blamed the onset of fame, stardom and money at too young an age for distorting them. That old lament. It's still too soon to say with complete confidence that Vick has made genuine and wholesale change as a person just because he's now 2-0 and he's wrestled the quarterback job away from planned Philadelphia starter Kevin Kolb heading into Sunday's game against the Redskins and ex-Eagle quarterback Donovan McNabb. (McNabb is making his first return to Philly since the Eagles traded him to Washington. His rap sheet only includes failing to win the Eagles a Super Bowl.)

But what Roethlisberger could crib from Vick already is Vick's striking comportment through it all. Because Vick has been damn near pitch perfect the past four weeks.

The better things have gone, the more Vick has seemed to stay the same: Low-key. Gratified, but not giddy. Humble and still preaching perspective. The cheering for Vick has gotten louder and louder, and yet Vick still never acts as if all is forgiven.

So far, anyway, Vick is behaving like a guy who's been through hell and doesn't want to go back. He talks about leading a "zero-tolerance life." He's confessed to feeling nervous, vulnerable, remorseful and grateful to the Eagles, who didn't begrudge him this second chance.

On the field, Vick is again the most electrifying player in the NFL. But off the field, it's as if there's this palpable melancholy that Vick carries around with him now, and it tinges his voice in conversation, it seems to limit how much he allows himself to smile even when talking how unexpectedly "great" this season is turning out. The emotion he throws off isn't over-the-top joy as much as utter relief. Considering what he was convicted of, Vick deserves no medals for this. But it beats staying the man he was.

Vick has often said he always thought he could lead a team again, but he wasn't sure anyone would ever give him another opportunity. That's a roundabout way of acknowledging this: Who has ever trusted the keys of a billion-dollar NFL franchise to a convicted felon who nearly sank his previous team?

"I needed to change my life," Vick said again this week.

Roethlisberger has uttered the same words.

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Ben Roethlisberger will return to a team that has won in his absence. So far he's said the right things, too. Will that continue?

But does he mean it?

Even before the second sexual assault accusation against him, this one by a 20-year-old college student who told police Roethlisberger might have raped her in the bathroom of a bar, Roethlisberger had run afoul of friends, teammates, coaches and peers around the league. Once that allegation became public, other ugly stories bubbled up. People said that by the time he won one Super Bowl, then another, Roethlisberger had become a swaggering, increasingly stuck-up boor, a coarse man who could turn ugly when drinking, a faux team leader who was aloof and disliked even in his own locker room. A story even ricocheted around Pittsburgh about how octogenarian golf legend Arnold Palmer dressed Roethlisberger down for behaving badly at a local country club.

Roethlisberger now admits even his close-knit family had become put off by him.

"My dad said to me about a month ago, 'It's good to have my son back,'" Roethlisberger told Pittsburgh TV station WTAE in April. "That killed me because my dad's been my best friend. For him to say that to me really let me know I wasn't who he raised me to be."

It was one of the few extended interviews Roethlisberger gave before he began serving his NFL suspension, and he often sounded as if some negative spell had been broken.

Of course, the interview was set up by a public relations handler who no doubt prepped Roethlisberger.

The piece was aired one day after the Georgia Bureau of Investigation released 60 audio and video clips associated with its 500-page investigation.

Remember, too, that quarterbacks are reared to take the blame for everything without letting it have a dampening effect on their egos. So, again, we'll see.

Already, the Steelers are bracing for the swarm of attention that will follow Roethlisberger's return Monday. Linebacker James Harrison has already growled he doesn't want Roethlisberger seen as some one-man team who will save them.

The idea that almost any failing is forgotten in sports so long as a player performs well on the field is hardly some new Faustian bargain.

But if that's all Vick or Roethlisberger re-discover after all that's happened, they won't have learned much of anything.

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Crash
09-30-2010, 03:39 PM
What a stupid bitch.

hawaiiansteel
09-30-2010, 04:20 PM
check out this latest ESPN poll... :wft


Who would you rather have as your starting QB?

23% McNabb
32% Ben
45% Vick


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flash ... llId=98480

frankthetank1
09-30-2010, 04:51 PM
check out this latest ESPN poll... :wft


Who would you rather have as your starting QB?

23% McNabb
32% Ben
45% Vick


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flash ... llId=98480

:lol: :lol: :lol:

there are two sb rings between the three qb's and the youngest qb has both of them. yeah i would rather have vick or mcnabb. idiots

sentinel33
09-30-2010, 04:54 PM
gettin real tired of people who keep talkin about how Ben has something to learn and if he is being sincere and has he truly changed/does he really mean it. I would say that after everything that he has been through, he probably gets it. He probably sees what kinda douche bag he had become and, sadly, it took an embarassing event that very nearly cost him everything for him to see that. pretty sure he gets it. His family pretty much tells him that he became someone else. while the boy made some bad decisions, hes by no means a complete moron. besides, anyone who has taken the amount of hits that he has is bound to get the wires crossed from time to time. with the way this offense looks right now, i cant wait for roethlisberger to get back.

Steeler Expat
09-30-2010, 05:08 PM
I am not British but there are certain things I read or hear that really I can only describe with two words. This article happens to be one of those things.

Pure Rubbish

siss
09-30-2010, 05:26 PM
Biggest difference between Ben and Vick:
Vick was sentenced to PRISON
Ben was SUSPENDED

This women is dumb!
The Vick ball licking is just awful to me. Im not saying that he doesn't deserve the chance to get his life back together. Because he does. But to compare the two is just stupid. And what pisses me off more than anything is that someone who is stupid is going to read that and make and form an opinion about Ben. He hasn't even really had a chance yet to prove himself. Its like they aren't even giving him a chance.
I think Ben has always had it in him to be a good person. In fact I don't think he was ever as bad as some would have you believe. But perhaps he needed a kick in the rear end to truly reach his potential. Goodell may have worn the shoe that kicked him in the ass, but it was still Ben that did the work.

steelblood
09-30-2010, 05:45 PM
I never liked Ben personally. Maybe that Fathead ad poisoned me. I've always respected and been amazed by his talent and competitiveness. But, something about the way he carried himself turned me off.

Maybe a more humble Ben will allow him to actually become a better player and a more likeable guy.

feltdizz
09-30-2010, 06:00 PM
I never liked Ben personally. Maybe that Fathead ad poisoned me. I've always respected and been amazed by his talent and competitiveness. But, something about the way he carried himself turned me off.

Maybe a more humble Ben will allow him to actually become a better player and a more likeable guy.


I don't care if the guy isn't likable off the field... avoid the crazy chicks and stay off the bikes.

skyhawk
09-30-2010, 06:03 PM
I never liked Ben personally. Maybe that Fathead ad poisoned me. I've always respected and been amazed by his talent and competitiveness. But, something about the way he carried himself turned me off.

Maybe a more humble Ben will allow him to actually become a better player and a more likeable guy.

I've always thought he was always courteous and humble in any media interviews he has had. He has also been good with the fans in signing autographs.

He always seemed a little quiet and underspoken in the interviews and I would like a more bubbly personality, but who cares? I have always been impressed with them before all the crap hit the fan.

Sugar
09-30-2010, 07:09 PM
From far away, I always thought that Ben was a likeable guy. It's not like he was a thug or sullen like James Harrison [shudder]. He didn't seem to have that nose-in-the-air persona that Rivers or Cutler still have.

I just remember him being very charitible and cool- heck, the bike enhanced my perception of him. Anyway, I know a lot of rockers that do far worse than anything Ben has done and the public loves them.

I know that he has to be concerned about his image now, but I hope he retains a little bit of that schoolyard kid that just wants to play.

JAR
09-30-2010, 07:27 PM
From far away, I always thought that Ben was a likeable guy. It's not like he was a thug or sullen like James Harrison [shudder]. He didn't seem to have that nose-in-the-air persona that Rivers or Cutler still have.

I just remember him being very charitible and cool- heck, the bike enhanced my perception of him. Anyway, I know a lot of rockers that do far worse than anything Ben has done and the public loves them.

I know that he has to be concerned about his image now, but I hope he retains a little bit of that schoolyard kid that just wants to play.

:Agree

Crash
09-30-2010, 07:28 PM
The ONLY person you hear now on the Steelers say that Ben is a bad teammate is Hines Ward.

Take from that what you will considering the Ward Paranoia.