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fordfixer
09-23-2010, 12:12 AM
Reed getting his kicks into the end zone
By Mark Kaboly, TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, September 23, 2010
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 00839.html (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_700839.html)

Jeff Reed was the worst in the NFL a year ago when it came to touchbacks. Of his 81 kickoffs, Reed was credited with only three touchbacks.

Through the first two games of this season, Reed has kicked off 10 times, and two of the kicks have been touchbacks.

There is a pretty good reason for the extra power in Reed's right leg.

Two weeks ago, he decided to change his kickoff steps that have resulted in some discomfort but a lot more power.

"I am attacking the ball more," Reed said. "I still take the six-step approach, but I have scooted back a little bit with my initial starting point."

Reed never has been a standout kickoff specialist. Over his nine-year career, he has just 44 touchbacks in 118 games, or about an average of six a season. His high mark was in 2007, when he had 10, but Reed's well above that average this year.

"I am not quite comfortable, but I am getting there," he said. "I feel a little inconsistent with it. The kicks look good, but I don't quite feel right."

Despite the touchbacks, Reed's kicks are averaging about three yards short of the end zone.

"I am attacking the ball more, and what comes with that sometimes is that you try too hard and miss-hit a couple," Reed said. "I am capable of hitting a touchback. You have to hit the ball perfect. I am not a guy who if I miss-hit, it's going to go eight yards deep."

Quotable

"I like the heat. I welcome the heat. It keeps you warm. My quick-twitch muscles can function a little better. Maybe I won't pull nothing,"

óCasey Hampton, the Steelers' 325-pound nose tackle, on the forecasted high heat for Tampa on Sunday.

Digits

21: Quarterback hurries/pressures the Steelers have recorded in two games.

0: Punts Daniel Sepulveda has placed inside the 20-yard line this year.

Oviedo
09-23-2010, 07:21 AM
I must have missed them because I don't recall any. I'll pay closer attention but I tend to tune out when he kicks off knowing that it will likely be between the 5 and 10 with the returner catching it with forward momentum.

Iron Shiek
09-23-2010, 08:24 AM
In game 1 I definitely saw one and thought they signed a new kicker.

Maybe he's on steroids? Reed is crazy enough to try it, no? He is a psychopath. :D

steelblood
09-23-2010, 09:08 AM
So, only after the Steelers threaten his KO job has he figured out how to kick the ball deeper? :roll:

proudpittsburgher
09-23-2010, 09:11 AM
I ask this question because I really don't know the answer to it, so please don't take it as snarky. What is the real benefit to kickign every ball into the endzone, outside of the returner taking a knee? I always thought it gave the return team five more yards and a second or two more to set up a return. Kick it a bit higher and to the five, and your coverage team gets closer to the ball carrier forcing him to make his move earlier and not having the time to set it up as well. Maybe that thinking is why I never really had a problem with Skippy not hitting the end zone most of the time. I dunno, someone please let me in on something I am missing here.

steelblood
09-23-2010, 09:20 AM
I ask this question because I really don't know the answer to it, so please don't take it as snarky. What is the real benefit to kickign every ball into the endzone, outside of the returner taking a knee? I always thought it gave the return team five more yards and a second or two more to set up a return. Kick it a bit higher and to the five, and your coverage team gets closer to the ball carrier forcing him to make his move earlier and not having the time to set it up as well. Maybe that thinking is why I never really had a problem with Skippy not hitting the end zone most of the time. I dunno, someone please let me in on something I am missing here.

You aren't off base. The problem is that Skippy (usually) doesn't get enough hang time to make that work. This gives the runner open seams and a chance to build up speed and break one. I'd rather see them go into the endzone because then there is no chance that Skippy will miss another tackle.

proudpittsburgher
09-23-2010, 09:23 AM
I ask this question because I really don't know the answer to it, so please don't take it as snarky. What is the real benefit to kickign every ball into the endzone, outside of the returner taking a knee? I always thought it gave the return team five more yards and a second or two more to set up a return. Kick it a bit higher and to the five, and your coverage team gets closer to the ball carrier forcing him to make his move earlier and not having the time to set it up as well. Maybe that thinking is why I never really had a problem with Skippy not hitting the end zone most of the time. I dunno, someone please let me in on something I am missing here.

You aren't off base. The problem is that Skippy (usually) doesn't get enough hang time to make that work. This gives the runner open seams and a chance to build up speed and break one. I'd rather see them go into the endzone because then there is no chance that Skippy will miss another tackle.

Now that I can certainly buy. But I am not willing to give up Skippy on field goals just because of a weakness on kickoffs . . . and tackling, and bathroom etiquette. :)

Djfan
09-23-2010, 09:39 AM
So, only after the Steelers threaten his KO job has he figured out how to kick the ball deeper? :roll:


This.

He's in a contract year and didn't see the "automatic" button on his contract. He's working now.

Oviedo
09-23-2010, 09:59 AM
So, only after the Steelers threaten his KO job has he figured out how to kick the ball deeper? :roll:


This.

He's in a contract year and didn't see the "automatic" button on his contract. He's working now.

I'd be surprised if he was back next year. If he has a good season with FGs, his demands will be unreasonable.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
09-23-2010, 11:33 AM
So, only after the Steelers threaten his KO job has he figured out how to kick the ball deeper? :roll:


This.

He's in a contract year and didn't see the "automatic" button on his contract. He's working now.

There was an article a week or two ago explaining this. I don't remember if I read it on the forum or just the article but what it said was that the new ST coach has been working with him.

Reed said that it is the first time that any coach has actually taught him technique for kicking off.

Said that not only is he kicking it deeper but his hang time has improved as well.

ikestops85
09-23-2010, 11:51 AM
So, only after the Steelers threaten his KO job has he figured out how to kick the ball deeper? :roll:


This.

He's in a contract year and didn't see the "automatic" button on his contract. He's working now.

There was an article a week or two ago explaining this. I don't remember if I read it on the forum or just the article but what it said was that the new ST coach has been working with him.

Reed said that it is the first time that any coach has actually taught him technique for kicking off.

Said that not only is he kicking it deeper but his hang time has improved as well.

I hope that is true but Reed has fooled us before. There have been a couple of years where he starts off putting some balls in the end zone but as the year progresses it gets worse and worse.

Don't get me wrong ... I am a Reed fan. I think his kickoffs are generally good enough. Our coverage teams have just been stinking up the joint the last couple of years. That seems to be improving some this year so Reed's kickoffs will look better.

costanza2k1
09-23-2010, 12:30 PM
I find it interesting that he just found out how to attack the ball. I bet a new coach has a lot to do with his kickoffs and the pressure of Sepulveda as well, but I guess Reed is too much of an ego guy to give anyone else credit...

Starlifter
09-24-2010, 07:40 AM
I ask this question because I really don't know the answer to it, so please don't take it as snarky. What is the real benefit to kickign every ball into the endzone, outside of the returner taking a knee? I always thought it gave the return team five more yards and a second or two more to set up a return. Kick it a bit higher and to the five, and your coverage team gets closer to the ball carrier forcing him to make his move earlier and not having the time to set it up as well. Maybe that thinking is why I never really had a problem with Skippy not hitting the end zone most of the time. I dunno, someone please let me in on something I am missing here.

Your thoughts about a high kick so the coverage can get there has merit - but Reed has not delivered that either. His kickoffs have consistently been short and low. One need only to look at the glaring stats over the last few years. Last year alone, he gave up 4 returns for TD's. While a Steeler return for a TD is usually a rare event (and sometimes needs trickery to work), sadly an opposing team returning a normal KO for a score has been almost a yearly occurrence. The fact he kicks FG's in Heinz field with great accuracy gives him value - but his KO's over the years have clearly cost us some victories.

SteelAbility
09-24-2010, 09:06 AM
In game 1 I definitely saw one and thought they signed a new kicker.

Maybe he's on steroids? Reed is crazy enough to try it, no? He is a psychopath. :D

His tackling technique sure as :twisted: doesn't seem to indicate that. I saw a STs rerun where Reed was seriously wincing away from the action. :roll:

proudpittsburgher
09-24-2010, 11:19 AM
I ask this question because I really don't know the answer to it, so please don't take it as snarky. What is the real benefit to kickign every ball into the endzone, outside of the returner taking a knee? I always thought it gave the return team five more yards and a second or two more to set up a return. Kick it a bit higher and to the five, and your coverage team gets closer to the ball carrier forcing him to make his move earlier and not having the time to set it up as well. Maybe that thinking is why I never really had a problem with Skippy not hitting the end zone most of the time. I dunno, someone please let me in on something I am missing here.

Your thoughts about a high kick so the coverage can get there has merit - but Reed has not delivered that either. His kickoffs have consistently been short and low. One need only to look at the glaring stats over the last few years. Last year alone, he gave up 4 returns for TD's. While a Steeler return for a TD is usually a rare event (and sometimes needs trickery to work), sadly an opposing team returning a normal KO for a score has been almost a yearly occurrence. The fact he kicks FG's in Heinz field with great accuracy gives him value - but his KO's over the years have clearly cost us some victories.

I dunno. I have seen plenty of kickers get the ball to the five, and those kicks don't get returned for TDs. While Skippy plays a part in TD returns, I think it's unfair to say that he has given them up. It takes lot of missed tackles and poor pursuit angles as well.

focosteeler
09-24-2010, 01:03 PM
So, only after the Steelers threaten his KO job has he figured out how to kick the ball deeper? :roll:


This.

He's in a contract year and didn't see the "automatic" button on his contract. He's working now.

There was an article a week or two ago explaining this. I don't remember if I read it on the forum or just the article but what it said was that the new ST coach has been working with him.

Reed said that it is the first time that any coach has actually taught him technique for kicking off.

Said that not only is he kicking it deeper but his hang time has improved as well.

i know exactly what Reed is talking about...not saying i played pro football either but through high school and college and i never had a "kicking coach" until my last year playing. most teams/coaches assume that since you are still playing you have reached your potential and there is no room for improvment. but if you get someone who actually knows what they are talking about, can break down film of your kicking motions it can do wonders....(its just like people breaking down film of a qb's throwing motion, its the same thing). yes part of it has to do with leg strength but a most of it has to do with technique.... :2c

its still weird to me that with all the money the nfl teams have they wont pay some extra $$ to have someone come in and help once in awhile......go read about how adam vinetari made it in the nfl, he got a kicking coach....he started as a decent kicker and this guy turned him into an ALL-PRO

http://www.dougblevinskicking.com/v/vsp ... ges/si.pdf (http://www.dougblevinskicking.com/v/vspfiles/images/si.pdf)

start reading halfway down page 3

phillyesq
09-24-2010, 01:42 PM
There was an article a week or two ago explaining this. I don't remember if I read it on the forum or just the article but what it said was that the new ST coach has been working with him.

Reed said that it is the first time that any coach has actually taught him technique for kicking off.

Said that not only is he kicking it deeper but his hang time has improved as well.

This could make sense. I had read or heard somewhere before that Reed and Ligashesky didn't speak to one another (can't remember where I heard/saw that). If Reed's statements are true, I have to wonder WTF Amos Jones does as the assistant special teams coach. I thought that he was supposed to be working with Reed and Sepulvda, but apparently that may not be the case.

Amos Jones is part of Tomlin's crew from University of Cincinnati (which also includes Pervy Larry). He dumped Pervy Larry, perhaps Jones will be next.

RuthlessBurgher
09-26-2010, 12:27 AM
In game 1 I definitely saw one and thought they signed a new kicker.

Maybe he's on steroids? Reed is crazy enough to try it, no? He is a psychopath. :D

His tackling technique sure as :twisted: doesn't seem to indicate that. I saw a STs rerun where Reed was seriously wincing away from the action. :roll:

Well, one of the side effects to steroids is that they can make your testicles shrink.

Reed's attempts at "tackles" last season showed a definite lack of balls, so the steroid idea may actually make some sense. :lol:

aggiebones
09-26-2010, 08:28 AM
I find it interesting that he just found out how to attack the ball. I bet a new coach has a lot to do with his kickoffs and the pressure of Sepulveda as well, but I guess Reed is too much of an ego guy to give anyone else credit...


I don't get this. He just gave credit to his new coach!
Ego or not, let's not exaggerate things. They all have egos.
And you guys need to look at the teams that opted for new kickers over the last couple years. Generally they regret it. If they are successful, you keep them. Generally Skippy has been successful.