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Oviedo
09-02-2010, 08:34 AM
Take a guess on who you think may get the surprise tickets out the door and who will stay that no one would have predicted a few weeks ago. My take:

Cuts: Legursky and Summers (maybe Eason)

Keeps: Urbik and Hartwig

phillyesq
09-02-2010, 09:29 AM
I'll take a stab:

Surprise cut: Ramon Foster
Surprise keep: Urbik

Foster is essentially a backup guard, even though he played OT in college (as did Urbik). I think Urbik has flashed a bit in the past few games, and Foster's upside seems to be Trai Essex. 'Nuff said.

phillyesq
09-02-2010, 09:32 AM
I don't know if this qualifies as a "surprise" or not, but I'll also predict that Dwyer is cut and makes it to the Steelers practice squad.

flippy
09-02-2010, 09:56 AM
Cuts: Batch, Hartwig, Dwyer, Foster, Eason

Keeps: Grisham, Logan, Sylvester, Bailey, Harris

Oviedo
09-02-2010, 10:15 AM
Cuts: Batch, Hartwig, Dwyer, Foster, Eason

Keeps: Grisham, Logan, Sylvester, Bailey, Harris

Good list but I really hope we don't cut Dwyer to keep Logan and Grisham. When would Grisham ever see the field or be active on gameday?

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
09-02-2010, 11:13 AM
OK...Base this on what I think (hope) will happen tonight.


CUTS:
Batch-I think the Steelers will take a chance on going with 2 QBs while Ben is out. Batch could be picked up by the Cardinals or Giants but if the Steelers need to sign a QB while Ben is out, there will be options if Batch is signed elsewhere. Keeping esentially (4) QBS for 4 weeks is risking moving a guy like Dwyer, Sylvester, or Butler to PS.

*Battle-This is the one that is either one or the other with Madison. The coaches are high on Grisham and he could be put safely on the PS to keep a #6 close. Yes, Battle has a signing bonus. Yes he is a good ST player. And yes, he will be available if we need him back after week 1. But if he stays, you risk losing the signing bonus AND his salary this year if he is cut after week 1. That is also a healthy number. Battle just hasn't done enough, in my opinion, to stick around ahead of Sanders & Brown. Sanders & Brown will stay. They have impressed in many phases. That makes 5 & Ward, Wallace, El, & Brown are active gameday. Battle would be #5 on gameday if he stays and that would push Sanders to street clothes. Honestly, if they wanted to carry 6...I would pick Grisham over Battle.

*Madison-I like Madison's ST play over Battle. But Battle's position play is better. Toss up here. I think it is one or the other.

Hartwig-Hard to keep a 2 mil back-up that plays one position let alone one of the 2 active gameday spots. I think he made his own bed. Experience is nice but I believe Legursky outplays him at C and has more versitilty.

Urbik(PS)-If Colon doesn't get hurt, I think he makes the team. He has show improvement. Would be nice to see him with the 2nd team to see how much. However, Adams slow transition, Scott is the #2 RT, and Hills solid preseason will force the Steelers T heavy. Urbik's PS eligibility makes things a little easier. I think Legursky & Foster hold down the interior. I'm just not too confident that Foster has really seperated himself from Urbik that much. Did Foster take a step back or did Urbik close the gap a little.

Logan-With Brown's receiver play and what he has shown in the return game, I don't see how Logan keeps a roster spot. Too much young position talent to hold on to 6-7 ST players including the K,P, & LS. Logan has not shown any Position value and I think that will cost him. Logan will still be working somewhere else.


Eason-Eason & Harris are playing at the same level in my opinion. Harris could improve but Eason has experience. Last game could make the decision. Depending what other cuts they make, Both could make it if they keep 7 DL. However, they might need the spot somewhere else and Eason and/or Paxson will be on the street if needed. I do believe Worthington makes the PS.

Bailey-Good ST player but has not shown anything at LB in any of his preseasons. Sylvester gives you equal ST play with some good position potential.




KEEPS:
Dwyer- (Hoping) Dwyer has a productive night tonight. Steelers are forced to keep him on 53. At who's expense? Summers? Carry 5 WRs and release Battle? Carry 6 DL and release Eason? Stay tuned!

Brown-As I said above, He has done enough and deserves a spot. Will be the returner and #5 WR gameday.

Sylvester-Good nose for the ball and loves ST. Bailey with position skill. Force Steelers keeping 9 LBs which includes the whole Steelers LB draft class.

Butler-Won't make it to the PS. Gifted athlete with raw skills. Skills are developed enough to make the team now. I actually see him moving up the depth chart pretty quickly.

PSU_dropout43
09-02-2010, 11:27 AM
Surprise cuts: Farrior, Eason

Keeps: Sunny Harris, David Johnson

Oviedo
09-02-2010, 12:02 PM
Surprise cuts: Farrior, Eason

Keeps: Sunny Harris, David Johnson

Cutting Farrior would be more than a surprise. I don't see anyway that happens. I do think this is his last year which is why you need to keep Sylvester.

Steelhere10
09-02-2010, 12:20 PM
Surprise cuts - A Randall Ell , Larry Foote
Keep - Dwyer , Stephon Logan

Steelhere10
09-02-2010, 12:20 PM
Surprise cuts - A Randall Ell , Larry Foote
Keep - Dwyer , Stephon Logan

ikestops85
09-02-2010, 01:29 PM
Cuts: Batch, Hartwig, Dwyer, Foster, Eason

Keeps: Grisham, Logan, Sylvester, Bailey, Harris

Good list but I really hope we don't cut Dwyer to keep Logan and Grisham. When would Grisham ever see the field or be active on gameday?

Couldn't the same thing be said about Dwyer? He will never see the field or be active on gameday either.

I'm not advocating Grisham over Dwyer but at least Grisham has produced in practice and pre-season. He seems to have earned a spot where the only way Dwyer makes it is on reputation ... unless he has a great game tonight.

feltdizz
09-02-2010, 02:23 PM
Cuts: Batch, Hartwig, Dwyer, Foster, Eason

Keeps: Grisham, Logan, Sylvester, Bailey, Harris

Good list but I really hope we don't cut Dwyer to keep Logan and Grisham. When would Grisham ever see the field or be active on gameday?

Couldn't the same thing be said about Dwyer? He will never see the field or be active on gameday either.

I'm not advocating Grisham over Dwyer but at least Grisham has produced in practice and pre-season. He seems to have earned a spot where the only way Dwyer makes it is on reputation ... unless he has a great game tonight.

Dwyer had more impact in one series than Grisham has had all preseason. Grisham has done nothing to earn a roster spot in the preseason.

They both can impact the practice squad IMO...

flippy
09-02-2010, 02:31 PM
Cuts: Batch, Hartwig, Dwyer, Foster, Eason

Keeps: Grisham, Logan, Sylvester, Bailey, Harris

Good list but I really hope we don't cut Dwyer to keep Logan and Grisham. When would Grisham ever see the field or be active on gameday?

Grisham could be the #4 WR and a Hines Ward injury away from seeing lots of playing time.

Beyond the top 3 WRs, you have very little NFL experience. Grisham's at least been with the team a year. Battle has some experience too, but I don't see him as a legit contributor in the offense.

As far as Logan goes, he'll make an impact on the team and Dwyer will never see the field anyways. I think we can plunk him on the PS.

Oviedo
09-02-2010, 02:35 PM
Cuts: Batch, Hartwig, Dwyer, Foster, Eason

Keeps: Grisham, Logan, Sylvester, Bailey, Harris

Good list but I really hope we don't cut Dwyer to keep Logan and Grisham. When would Grisham ever see the field or be active on gameday?

Grisham could be the #4 WR and a Hines Ward injury away from seeing lots of playing time.

Beyond the top 3 WRs, you have very little NFL experience. Grisham's at least been with the team a year. Battle has some experience too, but I don't see him as a legit contributor in the offense.

As far as Logan goes, he'll make an impact on the team and Dwyer will never see the field anyways. I think we can plunk him on the PS.

That would assume Grisham is better than Battle, Sanders and Brown. I've seen nothing that would suggest that.

He can go to the PS and no one will even pay attention from other teams.

flippy
09-02-2010, 02:43 PM
That would assume Grisham is better than Battle, Sanders and Brown. I've seen nothing that would suggest that.

He can go to the PS and no one will even pay attention from other teams.

I think he runs better routes. Gets off the line easier. Has better hands. And is dedicated to blocking downfield.

But I don't think he's really being given a fair shot.

ikestops85
09-02-2010, 03:07 PM
I'm just saying that you only hear good things coming out of camp about Grisham ... not so about Dwyer. That's all.

Are the Grisham haters and the Redmen haters the same people? Hmmm ...

... and if 'haters' is too severe please feel free to replace it with 'detractors'.

RuthlessBurgher
09-02-2010, 03:47 PM
I'm just saying that you only hear good things coming out of camp about Grisham ... not so about Dwyer. That's all.

Are the Grisham haters and the Redmen haters the same people? Hmmm ...

... and if 'haters' is too severe please feel free to replace it with 'detractors'.

Nope...I'd give Redman a big ol' thumbs up and Grisham a big ol' thumbs down.

Oviedo
09-02-2010, 03:55 PM
I'm just saying that you only hear good things coming out of camp about Grisham ... not so about Dwyer. That's all.

Are the Grisham haters and the Redmen haters the same people? Hmmm ...

... and if 'haters' is too severe please feel free to replace it with 'detractors'.

Nope...I'd give Redman a big ol' thumbs up and Grisham a big ol' thumbs down.

And I give Redman a slightly upturned thumb and Grisham a thumbs down.

feltdizz
09-02-2010, 04:18 PM
That would assume Grisham is better than Battle, Sanders and Brown. I've seen nothing that would suggest that.

He can go to the PS and no one will even pay attention from other teams.

I think he runs better routes. Gets off the line easier. Has better hands. And is dedicated to blocking downfield.

But I don't think he's really being given a fair shot.

he runs good routes because his speed is slow motion...

feltdizz
09-02-2010, 04:18 PM
That would assume Grisham is better than Battle, Sanders and Brown. I've seen nothing that would suggest that.

He can go to the PS and no one will even pay attention from other teams.

I think he runs better routes. Gets off the line easier. Has better hands. And is dedicated to blocking downfield.

But I don't think he's really being given a fair shot.

he runs good routes because his speed is slow motion...

feltdizz
09-02-2010, 04:22 PM
I'm just saying that you only hear good things coming out of camp about Grisham ... not so about Dwyer. That's all.

Are the Grisham haters and the Redmen haters the same people? Hmmm ...

... and if 'haters' is too severe please feel free to replace it with 'detractors'.

The Grisham detractors are mostly Redman fans...

most of the Grisham fans are fans of him or his story... and not what he brings to the team talent-wise.

grotonsteel
09-02-2010, 04:29 PM
I'm just saying that you only hear good things coming out of camp about Grisham ... not so about Dwyer. That's all.

Are the Grisham haters and the Redmen haters the same people? Hmmm ...

... and if 'haters' is too severe please feel free to replace it with 'detractors'.

I am a big Redman fan.

As far as Grisham goes i have not seen him much so can't say if he is better than Brown or Company.

I know Grisham reminds me of good ole Ced Wilson when he complains to the Refs. :twisted:

ikestops85
09-02-2010, 04:39 PM
I'm just saying that you only hear good things coming out of camp about Grisham ... not so about Dwyer. That's all.

Are the Grisham haters and the Redmen haters the same people? Hmmm ...

... and if 'haters' is too severe please feel free to replace it with 'detractors'.

Nope...I'd give Redman a big ol' thumbs up and Grisham a big ol' thumbs down.

And I give Redman a slightly upturned thumb and Grisham a thumbs down.

But you weren't always a Redmen fan now were you?

When we all knew O wanted Redmen gone (http://www.planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=160135#p160135) :D

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
09-02-2010, 05:22 PM
Well guys...Don't be too tough on Grisham. First, he is very young. So he isn't a finished product. He may not have the measurables but there are different types of WR in this league. You will get a Hines Ward type of WR at best. Maybe a little faster than Ward ever was. But great hands, good routes, tough guy who will go over the middle, and will stick a helmet on a DE if he is asked to. You don't look for a guy like this to be a #1 or #2. He is the type of guy you like on 3rd down. Get to the sticks and catch a bullet low and away. Take the hit and move the chain. A "Blue Collar" WR. The QBs like these guys because you throw it hard to the spot and you know he will go get it for you. You always want one of them on your team because the top 2 don't like to run those routes.

That being said, Grisham has alot of work to do to get to that WR. I wouldn't put him any higher that #6 right now. Ward, Wallace, El, Sanders, & Brown are all ahead of him. If he continues to improve and play ST, he could stick around.

NJ-STEELER
09-02-2010, 08:29 PM
before tonights game

IN
sly for foote or fox..all 3 rookie L:Bs make the squad

Logan

cromartie-smith

crez



OUT
summers, mundy, madison

practice squad
brown, dwyer, grisham, harris, D johnson,

NJ-STEELER
09-02-2010, 10:22 PM
POST Game

mundy makes it...finally saw him make some plays... cro-smith practice squad


they keep dwyer and brown...logan is cut and sanders is the main punt returner now. dwyer looked good again


Burnett gets cut

BradshawsHairdresser
09-02-2010, 10:43 PM
After watching him tonight, I agree, we ought to keep Sylvester on the final 53.
I think I would cut Foote, if I was running things. But don't look for the Steelers to go that route.

I also now expect that Logan will be cut, although I think that will be a mistake.

As far as drafted rookies making the team, I now think nearly all of them will (Worthington to the PS).

I think it's safe to say that Batch is going to survive the final cut. :lol:

Eddie Spaghetti
09-02-2010, 10:55 PM
cutting burnett would be a big mistake.

i will be stunned, not surprised, if Foster gets cut for Urbik. some of the gurus just won't admit the guy flat out sucks. he looks average against other teams 3rd stringers and his supporters howl for a starting position.

cuts- logan, madison, summers
keeps- dwyer, butler, sly

phillyesq
09-02-2010, 11:15 PM
cutting burnett would be a big mistake.

i will be stunned, not surprised, if Foster gets cut for Urbik. some of the gurus just won't admit the guy flat out sucks. he looks average against other teams 3rd stringers and his supporters howl for a starting position.

cuts- logan, madison, summers
keeps- dwyer, butler, sly

Urbik over Foster was my surprise pick. I wanted to go out on a limb a bit; hence the unexpected.

I haven't been an Urbik supporter all along. I've read some good reviews of his play this preseason. I'm not an o-line guru by any means, and I didn't have a chance to see tonight's game. I've never been that impressed with Foster. He doesn't seem to have a lot of power or mobility. This isn't just blindly pimping a player - earlier, I thought it was an almost certainty that he'd get cut.

RuthlessBurgher
09-02-2010, 11:39 PM
If Scott's injury is serious, we could keep both Foster and Urbik (along with Hills and Legursky to round out our backup OL).

SanAntonioSteelerFan
09-02-2010, 11:52 PM
Unexpected cut?

Well, the orthopedist's cut on Lefty's MCL would certainly have been unexpected before tonight's game. :cry:

hawaiiansteel
09-02-2010, 11:59 PM
i may very well win the Nostradamus Award for this one...i think the Steelers keep Charlie Batch and have him active for the first four games.


http://www.2012unveiled.com/images/Nostradamus%201.jpg

JDSteeler
09-03-2010, 01:13 AM
I'd cut Hood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It may be preseason, and I may be jumping the gun a tad, but....
...I heard all these great things about him, and how great a motor he has, and how
he never quits....blah, blah, blah. BS!!!! That is total BS!!!

I was reviewing some of his performance vs the Broncos, and Hood was
steam-rolled all game vs the Bronco back-ups. He hasn't even sniffed a tackle,
a QB pressure, and gosh-forbid, a sack in any of the preseason games.

I was under the impression that he had a Big-Block, Deisel, Ram, Hemi, motor. At
this point, he ain't anything but a friggin "Scooter". And I think if you asked the "Scooter" what he thought about the comparison, he would be PISSED!!!!

Ziggy has to show me something, and I don't care if preseason, or not. The guy just
ain't friggin trying, and it almost looks as if he's afraid of contact. If this is the case, the Dline is in serious problems in the forseeable future.

JD