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proudpittsburgher
08-03-2010, 11:34 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5433551

If true, Vikings go from contenders to .500. But we all know he's changing his mind.

Djfan
08-03-2010, 12:13 PM
I admit that I wanted him to play more. I was hoping that he would bring the Lombardi to the Twin Cities.

But, now that he said this it had better be true. If not, it would be over the edge.

ANPSTEEL
08-03-2010, 12:18 PM
I was just about to start a thread on this-

Which QB do the Steelers trade to the Vikes??

I'm a big Dixon fan- but he likely has the most trade value.

He's got to be better than jackson.

Give him one start in pre-season, and get as much as you can from Minn.

BURGH86STEEL
08-03-2010, 12:26 PM
I was just about to start a thread on this-

Which QB do the Steelers trade to the Vikes??

I'm a big Dixon fan- but he likely has the most trade value.

He's got to be better than jackson.

Give him one start in pre-season, and get as much as you can from Minn.

I know we all want what's good for the Steelers but Dixon has not done anymore then Jackson. So, I reach the conclusion that he may be no better or worse then Dixon. At least Jackson knows the Vikes system. I don't believe they would get much for Dixon anyway. Unless a deal is too good to pass up, I don't believe the Steelers trade Dixon. He has more value this season as a back up/potential starter till Ben returns.

I believe if the Steelers trade anyone it will be Batch.

costanza2k1
08-03-2010, 12:29 PM
Here you go Brett:


:moon

Play or don't play, who gives a rats.

CanadianSteel
08-03-2010, 12:35 PM
I'm so sick of this every year, make the best of it my best friend is a die hard Favre fan. In his eyes he can do no wrong.


I agree play or don't play just be a man and if you want to play get your a$$ in camp like all the other players, don't walk in after the 3rd Pre Season game and say "Bretts here!!!"


Give me a break!!!

Steelers>NFL
08-03-2010, 01:19 PM
I hope he means it for real this time. But if it is true and for good, I will miss him.
He was fun and great to watch. Really enjoyed watching him play.
He is like a LB in a QB body. Tough a nail!
Thanks for the memories Brett Favre...

cruzer8
08-03-2010, 01:45 PM
I was just about to start a thread on this-

Which QB do the Steelers trade to the Vikes??

I'm a big Dixon fan- but he likely has the most trade value.

He's got to be better than jackson.

Give him one start in pre-season, and get as much as you can from Minn.

Sage Rosenfels will be the starter. Jackson is the back up.

I hope Favre really means it this time. I'm sick of this going on every year.

frankthetank1
08-03-2010, 01:50 PM
I was just about to start a thread on this-

Which QB do the Steelers trade to the Vikes??

I'm a big Dixon fan- but he likely has the most trade value.

He's got to be better than jackson.

Give him one start in pre-season, and get as much as you can from Minn.

they wouldnt get much for him. one game against the ravens last season and one preseason start this season isnt a whole lot to go on in evaluating dixon. matt cassell had an entire season to show what he was capable of.

Stewie
08-03-2010, 03:09 PM
I never understood the acclaim for Favre. He has a career 86 passer rating, and he's lost as many games with untimely interceptions as he's won with miracle comebacks. Gunslinger, yes. HOF QB? Not if it depends on my vote.

feltdizz
08-03-2010, 03:28 PM
I can't stand the Favre love when he throws so many bad INT's but the guy is a first ballot HOF. He had a great season last year, but I think most QB's with talent would look good on that team.

I'm tired of the retirement saga though. Its old and fans are sick of it. With a pending lockout I can't see how he actually retires this year and Childress sounded like he wasn't convinced.

I won't believe it until the Thursday night games opening kick.

CanadianSteel
08-03-2010, 03:39 PM
I never understood the acclaim for Favre. He has a career 86 passer rating, and he's lost as many games with untimely interceptions as he's won with miracle comebacks. Gunslinger, yes. HOF QB? Not if it depends on my vote.


Love him or hate him, i disagree. INTs aside when you lead in just about every other passing stat it's HOF time. As i said i'm not a Favre fan in the least. But the guy is first ballet material

Stewie
08-03-2010, 03:44 PM
I agree he's first "ballet" material. Throw the ball a zillion times in WC offense, you're gonna put up some yards.

RuthlessBurgher
08-03-2010, 03:48 PM
Favre would not be on my personal short list of QB's I'd pick if I were starting my ideal franchise from scratch, but you can't deny that he's a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Just look at these records he owns (pulled from Wikipedia):


As of the end of the 2009 NFL season, Favre owned or shared most of the well-known NFL career records, including:

Consecutive starts as a quarterback: 285 (309 including playoffs)

Consecutive starts as a position player: 285 (309 including playoffs)

Career regular-season victories by a starting quarterback: 181 (Regular-season record: 181104)

Wins by a starting quarterback in one stadium: 90, Lambeau Field (including once as a Minnesota Viking)

Consecutive wins, regular season and playoffs, by a starting quarterback in one stadium: 29, Lambeau Field, 19951998

Consecutive wins, regular season, by a starting quarterback in one stadium: 25, Lambeau Field, 19951998

Wins by a starting quarterback against a single opponent: 27, Detroit Lions (180 in home games)

Completions, Attempts, Passing Yards, Touchdown Passes against a single opponent: Detroit Lions: 790 completions, 11,247 attempts, 9,219 passing yards, 60 touchdown passes

Career passing touchdowns: 497

Career passing yards: 69,329

Career pass completions: 6,083

Career pass attempts: 9,811

Career interceptions thrown: 317

Career games with at least 1 touchdown pass: 241

Career games with at least 2 touchdown passes: 157

Career games with at least 3 touchdown passes: 71

Career games with at least 4 touchdown passes: 23

Career games with at least 200 passing yards: 202

(2nd) Career games with at least 300 passing yards: 61 (Dan Marino is 1st with 63)

One of 11 quarterbacks to throw a 99 yard TD pass (longest possible pass)

Touchdown passes of 80+ yards: 9

Touchdown passes of 70+ yards: 15

Touchdown passes of 20+ yards: 165

1 yard touchdown passes: 37

1 yard touchdown passes, passer/receiver combination: 8, Brett Favre/Bubba Franks

Career games with at least 30 completions: 24 (Peyton Manning is 2nd with 18)

Career games with at least 20 completions: 185 (Peyton Manning is 2nd with 138)

Completions in a game played on a Friday: 30; 12/24/2004

Seasons with at least 20 touchdown passes: 15

Seasons with at least 30 touchdown passes: 9

Consecutive seasons with at least 30 touchdown passes: 5

Seasons with at least 35 touchdown passes: 3

Consecutive seasons with at least 35 touchdown passes: 3

Seasons with at least 3,000 passing yards: 18

Consecutive seasons with at least 3,000 passing yards: 18

Seasons with at least 300 completions: 18

Consecutive seasons with at least 300 completions: 18

Brett Favre & Sterling Sharpe tied Dan Marino & Mark Clayton's record for most passer/receiver touchdown combinations in a season in 1994: 18-broken by Tom Brady and Randy Moss(23) in 2007.

Most consecutive AP NFL MVP awards: 3 (19951997)

Career playoff pass completions: 481

Career playoff pass attempts: 791

Career playoff passing yards: 5,855

(2nd) Career playoff passing touchdowns: 44 (Montana, 45)

Career playoff interceptions thrown: 30

Career playoff losses as starting QB: 11

(5th) Career playoff wins as starting QB: 13 (Joe Montana, 16; Tom Brady, 14; Terry Bradshaw, 14; John Elway, 14)

Games played by a starting quarterback against one opponent in a calendar year: 5 games against the Detroit Lions in 1994; 1/2/94(game 16 of the 1993 season), 1/8/94(playoff game), 11/6/94, 12/4/94, 12/31/94(playoff game)

Longest gap between receptions: 17 years & 4 weeks (275 games)

Favre is the only quarterback to have led a team to victory over all thirty-two teams in the league since the NFL first expanded to 32 franchises in 2002.

Favre is one of four quarterbacks to lead the league in touchdown passes four times. The others are Johnny Unitas, Len Dawson and Steve Young. In addition, Favre owns a number of team records, having printed his name into almost every passing category in the annals of Green Bay Packers history. Most recently, he set the team record for consecutive completions with 20 on November 22, 2007, against the Detroit Lions.

Favre is also the first known player to be a grandfather while active in the NFL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Favre

Steelers>NFL
08-03-2010, 04:01 PM
Favre would not be on my personal short list of QB's I'd pick if I were starting my ideal franchise from scratch, but you can't deny that he's a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Just look at these records he owns (pulled from Wikipedia):


As of the end of the 2009 NFL season, Favre owned or shared most of the well-known NFL career records, including:

Consecutive starts as a quarterback: 285 (309 including playoffs)

Consecutive starts as a position player: 285 (309 including playoffs)

Career regular-season victories by a starting quarterback: 181 (Regular-season record: 181104)

Wins by a starting quarterback in one stadium: 90, Lambeau Field (including once as a Minnesota Viking)

Consecutive wins, regular season and playoffs, by a starting quarterback in one stadium: 29, Lambeau Field, 19951998

Consecutive wins, regular season, by a starting quarterback in one stadium: 25, Lambeau Field, 19951998

Wins by a starting quarterback against a single opponent: 27, Detroit Lions (180 in home games)

Completions, Attempts, Passing Yards, Touchdown Passes against a single opponent: Detroit Lions: 790 completions, 11,247 attempts, 9,219 passing yards, 60 touchdown passes

Career passing touchdowns: 497

Career passing yards: 69,329

Career pass completions: 6,083

Career pass attempts: 9,811

Career interceptions thrown: 317

Career games with at least 1 touchdown pass: 241

Career games with at least 2 touchdown passes: 157

Career games with at least 3 touchdown passes: 71

Career games with at least 4 touchdown passes: 23

Career games with at least 200 passing yards: 202

(2nd) Career games with at least 300 passing yards: 61 (Dan Marino is 1st with 63)

One of 11 quarterbacks to throw a 99 yard TD pass (longest possible pass)

Touchdown passes of 80+ yards: 9

Touchdown passes of 70+ yards: 15

Touchdown passes of 20+ yards: 165

1 yard touchdown passes: 37

1 yard touchdown passes, passer/receiver combination: 8, Brett Favre/Bubba Franks

Career games with at least 30 completions: 24 (Peyton Manning is 2nd with 18)

Career games with at least 20 completions: 185 (Peyton Manning is 2nd with 138)

Completions in a game played on a Friday: 30; 12/24/2004

Seasons with at least 20 touchdown passes: 15

Seasons with at least 30 touchdown passes: 9

Consecutive seasons with at least 30 touchdown passes: 5

Seasons with at least 35 touchdown passes: 3

Consecutive seasons with at least 35 touchdown passes: 3

Seasons with at least 3,000 passing yards: 18

Consecutive seasons with at least 3,000 passing yards: 18

Seasons with at least 300 completions: 18

Consecutive seasons with at least 300 completions: 18

Brett Favre & Sterling Sharpe tied Dan Marino & Mark Clayton's record for most passer/receiver touchdown combinations in a season in 1994: 18-broken by Tom Brady and Randy Moss(23) in 2007.

Most consecutive AP NFL MVP awards: 3 (19951997)

Career playoff pass completions: 481

Career playoff pass attempts: 791

Career playoff passing yards: 5,855

(2nd) Career playoff passing touchdowns: 44 (Montana, 45)

Career playoff interceptions thrown: 30

Career playoff losses as starting QB: 11

(5th) Career playoff wins as starting QB: 13 (Joe Montana, 16; Tom Brady, 14; Terry Bradshaw, 14; John Elway, 14)

Games played by a starting quarterback against one opponent in a calendar year: 5 games against the Detroit Lions in 1994; 1/2/94(game 16 of the 1993 season), 1/8/94(playoff game), 11/6/94, 12/4/94, 12/31/94(playoff game)

Longest gap between receptions: 17 years & 4 weeks (275 games)

Favre is the only quarterback to have led a team to victory over all thirty-two teams in the league since the NFL first expanded to 32 franchises in 2002.

Favre is one of four quarterbacks to lead the league in touchdown passes four times. The others are Johnny Unitas, Len Dawson and Steve Young. In addition, Favre owns a number of team records, having printed his name into almost every passing category in the annals of Green Bay Packers history. Most recently, he set the team record for consecutive completions with 20 on November 22, 2007, against the Detroit Lions.

Favre is also the first known player to be a grandfather while active in the NFL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Favre

Plus, this was mentioned today on ESPN - he only had one (1) losing season in 19 years.
Playing for 4 teams, plus multiple coaches. That alone is amazing.

And 309 consecutive starts. WOW! WOW! WOW!!!!

Stewie
08-03-2010, 04:02 PM
How many starts got a chemical assist????

frankthetank1
08-03-2010, 04:11 PM
I never understood the acclaim for Favre. He has a career 86 passer rating, and he's lost as many games with untimely interceptions as he's won with miracle comebacks. Gunslinger, yes. HOF QB? Not if it depends on my vote.

i hate how some people put him in the same category as montana, elway, marino etc.. i wouldnt put him in hof either. he was always way to careless with the ball to be an "elite" qb imo. his arm strength was definetly elite but his decisions were very korkie like

Stewie
08-03-2010, 04:45 PM
Carelessness with the ball is the reason for the 86 career passing rating. He was our best player when we played the Vikes last year. I don't know how one rates QBs and "puts ints aside." If you don't take care of the ball, in my book, you are not HOF material. That said, I don't doubt that the writers will vote him into the HOF. I just don't understand the acclaim. The WC offense is SUPPOSED to be a high percentage offense. Eighty damn six is NOT HOF material!!!

CanadianSteel
08-03-2010, 05:02 PM
Carelessness with the ball is the reason for the 86 career passing rating. He was our best player when we played the Vikes last year. I don't know how one rates QBs and "puts ints aside." If you don't take care of the ball, in my book, you are not HOF material. That said, I don't doubt that the writers will vote him into the HOF. I just don't understand the acclaim. The WC offense is SUPPOSED to be a high percentage offense. Eighty damn six is NOT HOF material!!!


Your right, but Career passing touchdowns: 497

Career passing yards: 69,329

is HOF material

cruzer8
08-03-2010, 05:15 PM
People make such a big deal out of that consecutive starts stat. He's a QB.

Jim Marshall's consecutive starts are far more impressive than Favre's. He played defensive line in a time when almost anything went as far as blocking. O linemen were constantly going at his legs.

ikestops85
08-03-2010, 05:34 PM
I always loved Favre up until he started the "retirement saga". That really turned me off. I do think his style is the closest of anyone to Big Ben. The guy is a gambler and he is also a winner ... just like Ben.

SteelTorch
08-03-2010, 05:35 PM
Carelessness with the ball is the reason for the 86 career passing rating. He was our best player when we played the Vikes last year. I don't know how one rates QBs and "puts ints aside." If you don't take care of the ball, in my book, you are not HOF material. That said, I don't doubt that the writers will vote him into the HOF. I just don't understand the acclaim. The WC offense is SUPPOSED to be a high percentage offense. Eighty damn six is NOT HOF material!!!


Your right, but Career passing touchdowns: 497

Career passing yards: 69,329

is HOF material
When you've been in the league for almost twenty years, it's easy to break records. Puh-lease. However, I do think he's a shoe-in for the HoF, if for no other reason than he managed to do well over such a long period of time.

HOWEVER, that does not change the fact that he's consistently hurt his teams by choking in the big games. And he lost a world of respect from me after he decided to turn his retirement into a circus and treat his former team (Packers) like crap. It was incredibly selfish and inconsiderate. :nono

SteelTorch
08-03-2010, 05:44 PM
This from the article on NFL.com:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8197bc66/article/is-this-the-end-favre-tells-vikings-officials-he-will-not-return?module=HP_headlines


The 40-year-old Favre called coach Brad Childress to say his injured left ankle is not responding as well to surgery and rehabilitation as he had hoped, according to the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the team had not made an official announcement.

Maybe I'm just assuming the worst (and for good reason), but this appears to be nothing more than a ruse to avoid training camp AGAIN. i won't be surprised if the ankle mysteriously gets better after camp ends.

LordVile
08-03-2010, 07:28 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... _headlines (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8197bc66/article/is-this-the-end-favre-tells-vikings-he-plans-not-to-return?module=HP_headlines)

Good... one less strong team to worry about. VIkes will still be competitive but their other QB's aren't the caliber of Favre. Tarvaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels

DukieBoy
08-03-2010, 09:58 PM
And the rest of the sports world has come to a complete stop on ESPN.

CanadianSteel
08-10-2010, 03:21 PM
Hold on 1 sec. My first post in this thread was me saying how fed up i am with Favre, how did i get from that to defending him? :wft lol.

Anyways now it seems it's still up in the air again. I can't begin to tell you guys how upset this makes me. I mean your team is in camp busting their a$$ while your at home with your feet up. Oh and don't blame it on the injury cause he did the same thing last year!!

Still HOF lol